ANNOUNCE: Group Players

[philippe_44]

Just a few ideas.

- Please conciser an option to exclude a player from group volume control. I have several Jogglers where the volume is set to be fixed 100%. The volume should not be changed by group because its controlled by an amplifier.

Not sure I'm getting this. Normally, if you've set the volume of a player @ fixed output, the value is ignored in average group volume computation. So volume change of the group will only affect players whose volume is not fixed

If possible revert to the playback/group state prior to a new group controlling the device after the new group is switched off. Might be an issue... If I am playing a playlist on my stereo (two players L/R) group and the master group (all players) is kicking in, the players revert to the playlist, but seems to loose the old group. Means, the player are still on but do not start playback at the point where the master group taking controll.

Sorry, same I'm not getting this either. If group 1 contains players A,B and group 2 contains A,B,C,D. If group 1 is currently playing, and you start group 2, then players A and B are also switched to group 2. Means the last "group" to come in action always wins. But when group 2 stops, players return to playlist when they were not grouped *at all*, not to play list of group 1, that's true. Is this what you mean? Having them return to group 1 would create lots of side effects.

[nickb]

Great stuff - almost can't believe it hadn't been thought of before!

Thanks for this Philippe

[s25a]

Hi Philipp,

with regards to this post: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showt...lugin&p=934363

I would love to use the Ickstream Plugin as a default to stream Tidal....(works much better that the official Tidal Plugin). Unfortunately not supported because of a different identifier.
If you don't mind and could implement an option to identify it in a different way and make it working with Ickstream Plugin it would be wonderful.

Thanks S

[pilot000]

Group player changes name when using spotty plugin in Spottify Connect

Hi Phlippe44

I noticed an issue where I think this is caused by your group player plugin.
When using a group player in spotty plugin, the name of the player can change randomly.

In my case, I have a group player named "Wohnzimmer".
The group player contains two real devices:
- SB Touch named "Squeezebox Touch"
- SB Radio named "Squeezebox Küche"

Spotty announces the "Wohnzimmer" player as "Wohnzimmer" or as "Wohnzimmer, Squeezebox Küche & Squeezebox Touch" (which is a combination of the group player name followed by a comma and followed by the "real" player names).
Finally, in Spotify Connect this are two different players.
I would control the players in my home automation (openHAB). But there the "known" Spotify Connect player can be switch between the 2 names above.

I described the issue in the spotty thread:

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110455-Announce-Spotty-2-8-x-Spotify-Connect-for-your-Squeezebox&p=941891&viewfull=1#post941891

mherger mentioned the issue comes pretty sure from the group player plugin:

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110455-Announce-Spotty-2-8-x-Spotify-Connect-for-your-Squeezebox&p=942160&viewfull=1#post942160

Could you please have a look into your code, how the group player names are generated by your plugin.
You can also find debug logs from spotty & group player plugin in the first link. If you need more details, please shout.

thx & regards
Remo

[mherger]

ANNOUNCE: Group Players

> I would control the players in my home automation (openHAB). But there
> the "known" Spotify Connect player can be switch between the 2 names
> above.

Could you (temporarily) take openHAB out of the equation? Just to get
rid of one more variable?

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Michael

[pilot000]

>
Could you (temporarily) take openHAB out of the equation? Just to get
rid of one more variable?
Michael

Sure, but also other applications they are using the offical Spotify API could potentially have this issue when they want control SB players.

[mherger]

ANNOUNCE: Group Players

> Sure, but also other applications they are using the offical Spotify API
> could potentially have this issue when they want control SB players.
Is openHAB interacting with LMS (in any way, not related to Spotty)?

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Michael

[pilot000]

Is openHAB interacting with LMS (in any way, not related to Spotty)?

No, openHAB just uses the Spotify Connect API.

https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/reference/player/

e.g. GET /v1/me/player/devices
Basically it does the same as when you are using the Spotify App and select for example a playlist and then a device on which you want to play it.

[mherger]

ANNOUNCE: Group Players

>> Is openHAB interacting with LMS (in any way, not related to Spotty)?
>>
> No, openHAB just uses the Spotify Connect API.
> https://developer.spotify.com/docume...erence/player/
> e.g. GET /v1/me/player/devices
> Basically it does the same as when you are using the Spotify App and
> select for example a playlist and then a device on which you want to
> play it.

Good. Then at least this is not causing the problems.

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Michael

[slartibartfast]

Hi Phlippe44

I noticed an issue where I think this is caused by your group player plugin.
When using a group player in spotty plugin, the name of the player can change randomly.

In my case, I have a group player named "Wohnzimmer".
The group player contains two real devices:
- SB Touch named "Squeezebox Touch"
- SB Radio named "Squeezebox Küche"

Spotty announces the "Wohnzimmer" player as "Wohnzimmer" or as "Wohnzimmer, Squeezebox Küche & Squeezebox Touch" (which is a combination of the group player name followed by a comma and followed by the "real" player names).
Finally, in Spotify Connect this are two different players.
I would control the players in my home automation (openHAB). But there the "known" Spotify Connect player can be switch between the 2 names above.

I described the issue in the spotty thread:

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110455-Announce-Spotty-2-8-x-Spotify-Connect-for-your-Squeezebox&p=941891&viewfull=1#post941891

mherger mentioned the issue comes pretty sure from the group player plugin:

https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110455-Announce-Spotty-2-8-x-Spotify-Connect-for-your-Squeezebox&p=942160&viewfull=1#post942160

Could you please have a look into your code, how the group player names are generated by your plugin.
You can also find debug logs from spotty & group player plugin in the first link. If you need more details, please shout.

thx & regards
Remo

I just tried messing around with synchronising players and the only time I see multiple players showing as one Spotify endpoint is when I sync players. I even tried synchronising a group with other players but it is actually impossible to do it. Have you tried deleting the group and reforming it under a different name? Clutching at straws now.

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[pilot000]

I just tried messing around with synchronising players and the only time I see multiple players showing as one Spotify endpoint is when I sync players. I even tried synchronising a group with other players but it is actually impossible to do it. Have you tried deleting the group and reforming it under a different name? Clutching at straws now.

When I understand the concept of group players correct, it should act as a "real" SB player. I exposed only the group player in spotty, not the 2 players in this group.
I expect to have in the Spotify API (or Spotify App) only one player (the group player, named "Wohnzimmer"). But this particular player is sometimes exposed as "Wohnzimmer" or "Wohnzimmer, Squeezebox Küche & Squeezebox Touch". I never can see both names in the Spotify App together. There is always one one of them listed.

[philippe_44]

When I understand the concept of group players correct, it should act as a "real" SB player. I exposed only the group player in spotty, not the 2 players in this group.
I expect to have in the Spotify API (or Spotify App) only one player (the group player, named "Wohnzimmer"). But this particular player is sometimes exposed as "Wohnzimmer" or "Wohnzimmer, Squeezebox Küche & Squeezebox Touch". I never can see both names in the Spotify App together. There is always one one of them listed.

I don’t have access to my computer right now, but when you synchronize manually players, what do you see normally in Spotify connect?

[pilot000]

I don’t have access to my computer right now, but when you synchronize manually players, what do you see normally in Spotify connect?

I synced my other two Squeezebox Radios in LMS and they appeared in Spotify Connect as "Squeezebox Bad & Squeezebox Büro". And both of the individual players have been disappeared in Spotify Connect.


After "unsync" they appear again as 2 single players in Sportify Connect and the synced pair is disappeared.

I have reproduced this several times, always with the same result.

So the changing name in Spotify Connect is only with the group player.
Perhaps, the comma in the "synced" name causes the issue.

[philippe_44]

I synced my other two Squeezebox Radios in LMS and they appeared in Spotify Connect as "Squeezebox Bad & Squeezebox Büro". And both of the individual players have been disappeared in Spotify Connect.
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After "unsync" they appear again as 2 single players in Sportify Connect and the synced pair is disappeared.
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I have reproduced this several times, always with the same result.

So the changing name in Spotify Connect is only with the group player.
Perhaps, the comma in the "synced" name causes the issue.

So that’s what I was suspecting. Group Player creates the group on the fly. It seems that spotty wants to display the names of all players in the group. So it’s a timing issue. Depending when spotty is invoked relative to Group creating the group (and it’s random) you either have just the group virtual player in the spotty name or all the players. The only option I can see would be for spotty to not gather the synced members when target is a group

[pilot000]

So that’s what I was suspecting. Group Player creates the group on the fly. It seems that spotty wants to display the names of all players in the group. So it’s a timing issue. Depending when spotty is invoked relative to Group creating the group (and it’s random) you either have just the group virtual player in the spotty name or all the players. The only option I can see would be for spotty to not gather the synced members when target is a group

Then this must be handled in spotty, right ?
@mherger: Do you see a chance to implement this in the spotty plugin ?