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nicky6
2013-09-23, 11:29
Hi, I know it's really bad of me posting something like this here, but it's time for it I feel.
I've been an avid fan of Slim Devices and bought the first Squeezebox when it came out (2004?) after I enjoyed a friends SliMP3-powered (6 rooms) house. I've since added 2 Classics and two Radio. the server is an now old HP X510 Data Vault running WHS.
I feel everything is getting too old now. The WHS eats disks because it was never meant to be able to handle these 2TB WD RED disks.
Then Logitech went and killed the Squeezeboxes in favour of the UE. I've had several issues with the Media Center as well.

So, I need to change my setup. But to what? I'd really prefer to keep the 4 2TB WD RED disks, put them in a new cheap server running maybe Windows Server 2012 Foundation and Media Center on top of that. Is it possible? Or should I opt for a NAS? Then which one? (I want to be able to do backups of my 3 Macbook Pro's too really)

And the players... I wanted to replace the radios in favour of Touch and maybe the Classics too. But now, I'm not sure. Sonos? No, I don't want to be like everyone else. AppleTV - despite not being audiophile, it was descent enough. But it was horrible to play different music in different rooms or synced in all or a ew rooms. So now the two AppleTV's only serve Netflix and iTunes movies.

So guys, pleeeeaase help me out! I want good audio quality, from a manufacturer that will be here in 5 -10 years time. Serving 200GB music and if possible act as a backup for my Macbooks. Last thing is low priority though. Want to play both FLAC, MP3, AAC (protected and non-, either native or transcoded to FLAC/MP3) and OGG (Spotify). Want to be able to play synced in zones or different music in each zone. App-controlled of course (I love Squeezepad and iPeng is pretty ok on the phone). Amp is a plus, if it's a good one. Preferrably needs to be able to stream to at least 6 rooms

Heeeelp! :)

Oh, approx the same price point as the SB's, Sonos, Olive One. Not some Meridian, Krell etc super xpensive stuff.

audiomuze
2013-09-23, 12:31
Mate, with all due respect, are you living under a rock? Get yourself a Wandboard, add an external DAC with a USB input and get on with enjoying your music. The only thing defunct about the Squeezebox architecture is your frame of reference.

garym
2013-09-23, 12:35
from a manufacturer that will be here in 5 -10 years time

In today's fast paced business world, this means almost nobody qualifies. But there are numerous options, including many that continue to use LMS as the server/database. See some of these old threads for examples:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98886-State-of-play-in-the-Squeezebox-replacement-world-6-13&highlight=replacement+squeezebox
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97721-Logitech-SqueezeBox-replacement-for-under-30&highlight=replacement+squeezebox

Apesbrain
2013-09-23, 13:25
ATM, there's no better alternative out there; you've named the top contenders and they all have trade-offs. I can understand wanting something "new" but what exactly is your issue with the Squeezebox system you have? Sounds like it does what you want, but you have server problems. Why not build a server with all the RAID you need and run linux version of LMS? Get a small SSD or USB drive for your system and recycle your four WD hard drives for storage. Parts will run you about $300 at newegg and assembly will take an hour or so. May be a bit painstaking to configure -- Vortexbox (http://vortexbox.org) is probably the easiest place to start -- but afterward should be stable and bulletproof. Others on the Forum will help you along the way. Run XBMC on it and you can serve up video as well. If you prefer Windows, go that way; it doesn't really matter. My advice is not to get a NAS; none seem to have enough CPU power that they don't eventually get stressed out by the demands of a larger media library.

If you're worried about scarcity of SB hardware, get up to speed on development work by other Forum members referenced above. I am particularly interested in this investigation into low-cost android player options:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99865-Android-TV-Sticks-Boxes-as-Squeezebox-Replacement

Maybe best to get a Time Capsule to back up your Macs.

garym
2013-09-23, 13:31
ATM, there's no better alternative out there; you've named the top contenders and they all have trade-offs. I can understand wanting something "new" but what exactly is your issue with the Squeezebox system you have? Sounds like it does what you want, but you have server problems. Why not build a server with all the RAID you need and run linux version of LMS? Get a small SSD or USB drive for your system and recycle your four WD hard drives for storage. Parts will run you about $300 at newegg and assembly will take an hour or so. May be a bit painstaking to configure -- Vortexbox (http://vortexbox.org) is probably the easiest place to start -- but afterward should be stable and bulletproof. Others on the Forum will help you along the way. Run XBMC on it and you can serve up video as well. If you prefer Windows, go that way; it doesn't really matter. My advice is not to get a NAS; none seem to have enough CPU power that they don't eventually get stressed out by the demands of a larger media library.

If you're worried about scarcity of SB hardware, get up to speed on development work by other Forum members referenced above. I am particularly interested in this investigation into low-cost android player options:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99865-Android-TV-Sticks-Boxes-as-Squeezebox-Replacement

Maybe best to get a Time Capsule to back up your Macs.

+1. And with the vortexbox system on a headless computer, you won't need XBMC (or maybe it is that it is already installed). Anyhow, I can stream video with my vortexbox server out of the box with nothing extra.

nicky6
2013-09-23, 21:57
Mate, with all due respect, are you living under a rock? Get yourself a Wandboard, add an external DAC with a USB input and get on with enjoying your music. The only thing defunct about the Squeezebox architecture is your frame of reference.

Well, I knew I asked for it, right!
And YES, I HAVE been living under rock

I forgot to say - I don't want to hack around / tinker with the stuff. I'm intrigued by the Sonos "it just works" philosophy.

Someone asked what is my issue really with the system - Media Center I think. But maybe it's the hardware that makes Media Center lag, freeze etc...

So, to get the same audio quality/DAC, I need to tinker with some DYI HW&SW? Hm, I was hoping there was something like the Sonos (plug'n'play) or the Olive (too bad it only serves four rooms, and also I'd like some cheaper models for e.g. the bathrooms. That's why the SB's was so great. The radios was perfect for the bathrooms)

audiomuze
2013-09-23, 22:23
Well, I knew I asked for it, right!
And YES, I HAVE been living under rock

I forgot to say - I don't want to hack around / tinker with the stuff. I'm intrigued by the Sonos "it just works" philosophy.

Someone asked what is my issue really with the system - Media Center I think. But maybe it's the hardware that makes Media Center lag, freeze etc...

So, to get the same audio quality/DAC, I need to tinker with some DYI HW&SW? Hm, I was hoping there was something like the Sonos (plug'n'play) or the Olive (too bad it only serves four rooms, and also I'd like some cheaper models for e.g. the bathrooms. That's why the SB's was so great. The radios was perfect for the bathrooms)

Nah, you didn't just ask for it, the reason for my statement was because the forum is abound with means of getting past the fact that there is no more Squeezebox hardware and you handn't mentioned you don't want to tinker. Truth be told though the tinkering is no different to setting up a media server - in fact I'd say it's quite a bit simpler given OS's like Vortexbox where all the heavy lifting has been done for you. If you need additional hardware the Wandboard is a brilliant way to add Squeezebox capability to any room with minimal hassle. The Wandboard actually makes a great LMS host as well, so if you're up for a bit of tinkering there's a no compromise path. If not, you're headed don the road of compromise e.g. Sonos can only handle a finite number of tracks.

JohnB
2013-09-24, 03:12
Someone asked what is my issue really with the system - Media Center I think. But maybe it's the hardware that makes Media Center lag, freeze etc...

From what you have written I get the impression that you are having problems with the Data Vault hardware ("The WHS eats disks because it was never meant to be able to handle these 2TB WD RED disks", etc). So the first priority has got to be to sort that out before doing anything else.

I run LMS on a HP Microserver which, according to the specs I found on the web, is less powerful than your HP X510 Data Vault but it always runs perfectly. (I've also run LMS on an old XP laptop without any problems whatsoever.)

(I use a Touch + Ipeng on an iPad and have a second Touch and an old Duet in storage as backups.)

bpa
2013-09-24, 03:31
So guys, pleeeeaase help me out! I want good audio quality, from a manufacturer that will be here in 5 -10 years time.

There is no way you can predict who will or will not be here in the future. Small vendors with low volume, high value ( and high profit) product are more likely to stay in the market segment but you don't want to pay premium price.

Big vendors (who will be around in 5 yrs) can make big investments and just as easily pull out again - remember Linksys/Ciso's home audio ( http://www.digitaltrends.com/media-streamer-reviews/linksys-wireless-home-audio-system-review/ )
There is no guarantee that Sonos will last as the market is changing and it is basically a one product (albeit with a few variations) company - does Sonos have the revenue & resources necessary to develop new products (remember Roku) ?

I think the only way to get the guarantee you want is to take complete control - otherwise buy an off the shelf product with the expectation that technology will change in the next 3-5yrs.

maggior
2013-09-24, 07:33
I am particularly interested in this investigation into low-cost android player options:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99865-Android-TV-Sticks-Boxes-as-Squeezebox-Replacement


I'm intrigued by this too!! These are more functional than the old squeezebox receiver and cheaper!! If you are familiar with android, it looks like the setup on it is not a big deal. The only drawback of a solution like that is Rhapsody won't work (perhaps others too) because they require real squeezebox hardware and won't work with the software players.

aubuti
2013-09-24, 08:55
Hi, I know it's really bad of me posting something like this here, but it's time for it I feel.
<snip>
Heeeelp! :)

It's hard to know where to begin, because it's not clear to me in what way SBs are inadequate for your needs. More important, you seem to have a lot of conflicting needs/wants in a music system. If you really want an SB replacement now, you'll need to make some compromises.

- your WHS can't handle large disks -- that's not the fault of SBs. Get an OS on your server that can, or divide your music serving needs (200 GB) from your backup needs (8 TB!?)
- you have several unspecified issues with Media Center, by which I suppose you mean Logitech Media Server (LMS). That could by OS issues again, or something else, but it's nothing inherently wrong with LMS.
- you "don't want to be like everyone else", by which you rule out Sonos and Apple, but you want something that "just works" without having to tinker with anything
- you also don't want to spend anything more than SB, Sonos, or Olive One type prices -- that will limit you if you don't want to tinker
- you want to be able to play protected AAC -- I could be wrong, but I think that limits you to Apple products
- you want to know that the manufacturer will be here in 5-10 years time (or really, the product line, because Logitech is still here, but fat lot of good that does for SB users....) -- good luck with that!

My two cents?
First, get your server working the way it should. This will probably mean changing the OS and/or the hardware. Then once you have it so that LMS runs smoothly and it's not "eating" hard drives, see if you're happy again with the SB system.

If that works out okay, then see about picking up however many Touch or SB3/Classic players you need from eBay, Craigslist, or other resellers. Or venture into the community-driven SB substitutes based on a Wandboard, or using iThing or Android-based players.

That could easily get you through the next several years. And by the time that becomes obsolete, the network music system terrain will have changed dramatically, and you will have a new set of choices.

nicky6
2013-09-24, 09:58
Well guys, I ordered a HP MicroServer N54L which was on sale, but this time without Windows Server 2012 Foundation. 8GB RAM. I guess the AMD Turion won't be on its knees like the Atom 3xx that's in my current server (actually only running LMS and I've also turned off the demigrator).

Will install some Linux dist on it. Anything that's recommended? I don't know anything about Linux, but I do want some kind of RAID (RAID 0 and 1 supported on HW controller)

Julf
2013-09-24, 10:08
Will install some Linux dist on it. Anything that's recommended? I don't know anything about Linux, but I do want some kind of RAID (RAID 0 and 1 supported on HW controller)

I still think Ubuntu is probably the easiest.

audiomuze
2013-09-24, 10:16
I still think Ubuntu is probably the easiest.

Agreed. Off the top I'd have said Vortexbox, but I'm not sure how easily RAID could be configured. If ripping and tagging of CDs will be done using another PC I'd definitely opt for Ubuntu Server 64 bit. PM me if you want a hand with some instructions/ things to help make the job an easy one.

garym
2013-09-24, 10:30
Agreed. Off the top I'd have said Vortexbox, but I'm not sure how easily RAID could be configured.

I might drop the RAID requirement when looking at options. Of course RAID is *not* a backup solution. (google for plenty of horror stories for those that thought RAID meant backup!). RAID is useful for operations where any downtime is a real problem or costly (bank, online merchant,etc.). Immediate access to backup is not typically needed for personal files.

aubuti
2013-09-24, 10:51
I might drop the RAID requirement when looking at options. Of course RAID is *not* a backup solution. (google for plenty of horror stories for those that thought RAID meant backup!). RAID is useful for operations where any downtime is a real problem or costly (bank, online merchant,etc.). Immediate access to backup is not typically needed for personal files.
+100
RAID != backup

For the two purposes the OP mentioned (serving music and backing up 3 Macbook Pros) it's hard to see a need for RAID. On the other hand, the need for an offline (and ideally off-site) backup is crystal clear.

Of course, 8GB RAM is complete overkill for those purposes, too, so maybe there is some other use that is driving these choices.(*)

NB: I had to google 'demigrator', as I'd never come across it before. Yikes, another reason for not running WHS....

(*)EDIT: oh, and if the machine really will be used only for running LMS and backing up the Macbooks, then installing Vortexbox seems like a hands-down winner for ease of use.

garym
2013-09-24, 10:55
(*)EDIT: oh, and if the machine really will be used only for running LMS and backing up the Macbooks, then installing Vortexbox seems like a hands-down winner for ease of use.

yes, I use Vortexbox (currently with 4TB) and it runs LMS, holds my music, and provides a network location to back up other personal files.

erland
2013-09-24, 12:03
So guys, pleeeeaase help me out! I want good audio quality, from a manufacturer that will be here in 5 -10 years time.

For what it's worth, if you would have asked back in 2008, I doubt anyone would be willing to promise that Squeezebox would be around 2013.

It's pretty likely that Logitech will still be here in 5-10 years time, the question is just if they will still sell audio streaming equipment and I guess you are really looking for a product family that will be here in 5-10 times rather than the manufacturer itself.

To ensure that something works over long time, you really need an open solution that can continue to work after the hardware vendor stops selling the devices and preferably something that's based on a software solution which isn't restricted to a single hardware vendor. In my mind, this would mean something that's based on Linux or Android and allows installation of third party software. It's likely going to be a more or less home brewed solution and you are unlikely going to be able to buy the exact same hardware in 5-10 years, but since they allow installation of third party software you can probably make old devices and new devices work together in the same eco system.

If you are ONLY interested in good audio quality, your best bet is probably to choose one of the HiFi manufacturers, the problem is just that these system often have less good support for online streaming services and music discovery functionality. The alternative to this, is to focus on a system that allows you to use an external high end DAC, but then we are probably talking about the home brewed Android/Linux solutions mentioned above.

Sonos is a good compromise between features and audio quality, just be aware that you are buying into a rather closed system where you more or less will be restricted to the functionality Sonos decides to implement.

There are a lot of other different start-ups and new manufacturers, but it's hard to tell which ones that will still be here and still focus on music in 5-10 years time. If you choose one of these, make sure you choose someone that's focused on music rather than focused on making all kinds of different hardware, the ones focused at music are most likely to also do that in 5-10 years if they are still alive by then.

Having said all this, I suspect the way we listen to music is going to change a lot in 5-10 years, so it's hard to guarantee that a system that's good today is going to be good also in 5-10 years time.

nicky6
2013-09-25, 04:23
I agree that RAID != backup :)
It's just that the way WHS functioned with some sort of mirroring, has saved me several times when the disks has gone bad. Just hotswapped the disk with a new one and hey presto!

Erland, regarding your answer - I almost fully agree. Except that I don't think an open software base solution always is the best solution. It demands an enthusiastic and GIVING crowd, rather than just leeches like me. Which s my I so much appreciated the SB family of users, like yourself who have provided us with so many good features/plugins.

I decided, based on the input here, to keep the SB's and try to source more. Do you think the Classics/SB3's should go in favour of Touch?

VortexBox vs Ubuntu as the framework for my music server, which also needs to do TimeMachine backups, serve/store/backup my several hundred gigs of photos and store the occasional videos (and since my behaviour has gone away from torrent downloads to actually renting through iTunes, I probably do not need that option) hmmmm.... I must do my home work! And ask audiomuze for some help :)

erland
2013-09-25, 09:56
I decided, based on the input here, to keep the SB's and try to source more. Do you think the Classics/SB3's should go in favour of Touch?

In my mind, the only reason to hang on to a Classic/SB3 is if you love the VFD display on the Classic/SB3 and hate the LCD display on the Touch.

Except for this, the Touch has better sound, is more likely to work in the future since Logitech still maintains the Touch firmware, have the possibility to install third party applets and if needed it's also possible for third parties to patch the Touch firmware.

d6jg
2013-09-25, 14:35
If (big if) you can live with 320kbps MP3 then LMS is pretty much future proof. You can simply swap to something else whenever you want. It's the HD formats that don't transfer to other digital audio solutions very easily but nevertheless LMS and the Squeezebox range of players coupled with iPeng and Squeezeplay etc is the best thing (that was) on the market there is/was.

garym
2013-09-25, 14:38
If (big if) you can live with 320kbps MP3 then LMS is pretty much future proof. You can simply swap to something else whenever you want. It's the HD formats that don't transfer to other digital audio solutions very easily but nevertheless LMS and the Squeezebox range of players coupled with iPeng and Squeezeplay etc is the best thing (that was) on the market there is/was.

This statement confuses me. What issues do you see with a FLAC (lossless) file that makes it less future proof?

d6jg
2013-09-25, 14:45
You can move MP3s to say a cloud based solution (Google Play Music or iCloud etc) and play your music with virtually anything anywhere but you can't do that with FLAC (unfortunately)

garym
2013-09-25, 14:52
You can move MP3s to say a cloud based solution (Google Play Music or iCloud etc) and play your music with virtually anything anywhere but you can't do that with FLAC (unfortunately)

I see your point. But not being able to use a cloud service is very different from not being future proof. As long as the Internet works I can play either flac files or transcoded to mp3 files from my own home server on almost anything, anywhere in the world.

jimbobvfr400
2013-09-25, 14:57
You can move MP3s to say a cloud based solution (Google Play Music or iCloud etc) and play your music with virtually anything anywhere but you can't do that with FLAC (unfortunately)
The Google music desktop thingy does transcoding of my Flacs to mp3 when it automatically uploads.


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d6jg
2013-09-25, 14:58
I really mean if someone is at all worried about LMS / SB long term but are prepared to go MP3 then they really needn't worry at all. If you stay FLAC and LMS goes west and you can't find an audiophile replacement you are going to have a big job converting all your FLAC to MP3. I don't see LMS disappearing for some considerable time so I'm sticking with it :-)

d6jg
2013-09-25, 15:05
I didn't know about transcoding on upload - even better. I use Google Music to backup my MP3s (will have to use a second Gmail account shortly) and play them on my iPhone in places where I can't get remote access to my server (occurs quite a bit when your IP address keeps changing and your security relies on Dynamic DNS for firewall pass through).

JohnSwenson
2013-09-25, 15:11
If you really need to run RAID, go with software RAID in linux. It has been around for a long time, and will continue to be around for a long time and is the same in all versions of linux. If you try and use some form of hardware RAID you are stuck with that implementation, if the motherboard dies and you get a new one, it must have EXACTLY the same hardware RAID otherwise your array is down the tubes.

I had a RAID5 array with linux software RAID for many years, it worked perfectly with three different motherboards and 5 different versions of linux. BTW the reason I had a RAID array was so that a bunch of disks could be combined into one volume. Years ago my local computer store had a screaming good deal on 256G drives so I bought a whole bunch and set them up as RAID for a lot less than a single large disk would have cost. That array lasted for a long time until I finally decided to go with a single large drive instead of RAID.

The drives are so cheap now I just manually do a clone onto a rotation of other equivalent drives, if there is ever a problem it is just swap the drive.

I personally would go with Vortexbox, it is super simple to setup and can host pictures, videos etc as well as LMS.

I'm actually using a FitPC2 (Atom based, tiny little box) with VB as my main server, it works great even though it is an atom system, and only takes 5 watts! If you are doing more, particularly video stuff, a faster board would probably be useful.

As to VB or a regular linux distribution, VB is a fairly modern Fedora distro with LMS and various other servers pre installed. It is specifically designed as a headless server, all administration is done through a web page interface. Even if your hardware has a monitor it won't use it since it doesn't start X. Since it is at heart a Fedora distro you can easily add other packages that don't come with it using the standard package management tools.

The advantage is that it comes outof the box setup as a headless server for pretty much anything you might want. The downside is you don't get a GUI screen. If you WANT to use that specific computer to control music playing with wizzy GUI interfaces you can't. You can't play video games on it, it is purely a server. But it is probably the easiest server out there to get up and running.

I have probably done 30 different linux installations with many different versions, so I'm fairly up on linux, but I would still go with VB for a server, it just does that task so well and is so easy to setup and maintain.

BTW you CAN setup RAID on VB, but it's not part of it's builtin web page administration system. You have to remotely login to a shell and run a few commands and then the array looks just like a normal disk that all the rest of the software is happy to work with.

John S.

jimbobvfr400
2013-09-25, 15:11
I really mean if someone is at all worried about LMS / SB long term but are prepared to go MP3 then they really needn't worry at all. If you stay FLAC and LMS goes west and you can't find an audiophile replacement you are going to have a big job converting all your FLAC to MP3. I don't see LMS disappearing for some considerable time so I'm sticking with it :-)

Even if you did for whatever reason need to do that you can easily use something like foobar to convert the lot as a batch job, yes it might take a while but just leave it going.

In all honestly whatever future solution ends up replacing yours or my squeezebox I can't imagine it not supporting FLAC (unless it's Apple based of course)

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4

nicky6
2013-09-25, 23:00
Awesome info guys!

So, the Touch is the best, sound wise, of all the SB's (excl. the Transporter)?
There are a lot (5...) of Duets for sale here in Sweden, and not Touch and neither the SB3/Classics. The Duet has less good sound, am I correct?

And yes Erland, when I ripped my CD's (about 1000) back in 2002-2003, I did them as 320Kbps VBR MP3's. I'm not sure I want to go through the process doing FLAC's instead, and rating all the music again just to have the music rated 3-5 available for listening and the rest archived. Any companies out there that can do the ripping and fetching the meta data (Except the rating of course)?

Sorry that the thread grows and grows. It's been a while I was here and there are so much info everywhere that it's impossible to find all the info I need. But you guys are so very helpful, thanks a lot for that!

/Niclas

Julf
2013-09-26, 02:05
When I ripped my CD's (about 1000) back in 2002-2003, I did them as 320Kbps VBR MP3's. I'm not sure I want to go through the process doing FLAC's instead, and rating all the music again just to have the music rated 3-5 available for listening and the rest archived. Any companies out there that can do the ripping and fetching the meta data (Except the rating of course)?

Most decent ripping programs fetch the metadata automatically.

The problem with having only mp3's is that you ever want to move to another format, converting one lossy compression format to another tends to be a very lossy operation, whereas a FLAC collection can always be converted to whatever other format with minimum loss, as you haven't actually discarded any data.

Mnyb
2013-09-26, 03:27
Most decent ripping programs fetch the metadata automatically.

The problem with having only mp3's is that you ever want to move to another format, converting one lossy compression format to another tends to be a very lossy operation, whereas a FLAC collection can always be converted to whatever other format with minimum loss, as you haven't actually discarded any data.

+1 especialy to another lossles format in the future .

yes i ripped >1000 albums to mp3 which i later reripped to FLAC :)

Oh and backup everything.....

erland
2013-09-26, 03:48
So, the Touch is the best, sound wise, of all the SB's (excl. the Transporter)?

Correct



There are a lot (5...) of Duets for sale here in Sweden, and not Touch and neither the SB3/Classics. The Duet has less good sound, am I correct?

I think most people agree that the Touch is a little bit better than Duet/SB3/Classic but it all depends on what other equipment you connect them to. If you don't have a high-end amplifier and speakers you might not notice the difference. I think the difference is generally a bit bigger if you use the analog outputs than if you use the digital outputs.




And yes Erland, when I ripped my CD's (about 1000) back in 2002-2003, I did them as 320Kbps VBR MP3's. I'm not sure I want to go through the process doing FLAC's instead, and rating all the music again just to have the music rated 3-5 available for listening and the rest archived. Any companies out there that can do the ripping and fetching the meta data (Except the rating of course)?

I can feel your pain, I've been in the same situation myself but my collection was significantly smaller with around 300 albums when I decided to re-rip it in FLAC format. You don't have to have the whole collection the same format, so one way to handle it is to start re-ripping the stuff you listen to often or music which you want to be in the best possible quality.

There are several services available that lets you send them your CD's and they will rip them for you, typically for a one time fee, but I haven't tried any of them myself so I don't want to recommend a specific one. Since we are talking about physically sending the CD it might also be important where the service provider is located so you don't have to send the CD's to the other side of the world.

audiomuze
2013-09-26, 07:02
If you've a PC with sufficient RAM and multiple DVD drives it's trivial to rip a few hundred CDs because you can use dbpoweramp's batch ripper to rip 4-5 concurrently. Do 10 or 20 a night and before you know it you're done.

nicky6
2013-09-26, 08:31
I think most people agree that the Touch is a little bit better than Duet/SB3/Classic but it all depends on what other equipment you connect them to.

Ah, I thought the Duet didn't have as good DAC etc as the SB3/Classic. But you mean they are pretty much the same, and with the same sound quality?
If that's the case, I could just pick up the Duets then... It's just at my main HiFi that I would be able to spot any difference in sound anyway.

/Niclas

erland
2013-09-26, 09:12
Ah, I thought the Duet didn't have as good DAC etc as the SB3/Classic. But you mean they are pretty much the same, and with the same sound quality?

I haven't compared Duet towards Classic from an audiophile perspective, so I can't say for sure.

However, if you search a bit in the forum, you will find other who have compared them, here are some samples
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96806-Sound-quality-comparison-between-classic-SB3-Duet-Touch-etc
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?76952-SB3-vs-Duet
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?76553-Duet-or-Classic
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?73141-classic-or-duet
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?61108-Classic-or-Duet
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?92805-Duet-sound-quality-compared-to-Touch-DAC-etc

Personally, I would choose the Classic because it has a screen, but its usefulness probably depends on where you will place it and how much you love the Logitech Squeezebox Controller remote control that's part of the Duet package.

garym
2013-09-26, 09:24
I have a transporter, touches, sb3, and have had duet. In my opinion, unless one has a very discriminating system, the likelihood of hearing any differences is very, very low. The duet can be a pain because it has no screen for setup, etc.

froth
2013-09-26, 10:29
My rule of thumb is Rip everything to FLAC first. That way if needed these flac files can be converted to MP3 using a batch process. I do this on a regular basis so I can then take my compressed tunes on my iThings and the likes.

leafygreens
2013-10-01, 17:53
I use a Pogoplug with ArchLinuxArm installed. The Pogoplugs are $25, add an $8 usb DAC, and $10 wireless USB adapter and you have the player unit that can connect to speakers and receivers where ever they are. Install Squeezelite player for the players, and install LMC on the same Pogoplug. Remotely controlled via my computer, wife's laptop, or the family tablet.

The Pogoplugs have 4 USB ports for you to connect hard drives on USB docks.

mikeh49
2013-10-02, 07:15
@leafygreens - PM sent about your Pogoplug setup. A few questions. :)

qnology
2013-10-02, 17:42
Hello,

I'm new to this forum. I just picked up a couple of Logitech UE Radio which I downgraded to the SqueezeBox OS.

For instructions on setting up SqueezeBox Server (LMS) and Squeezelite on a Pogoplug you can check my blog - google"qnology squeezebox"

I'm a new user on this forum so can not post a direct link (yet).

[Edit]
http://blog.qnology.com/2013/03/tutorial-pogoplug-e02-with-arch-linux.html

leafygreens
2013-10-02, 19:45
@leafygreens - PM sent about your Pogoplug setup. A few questions. :)



For instructions on setting up SqueezeBox Server (LMS) and Squeezelite on a Pogoplug you can check my blog - google"qnology squeezebox"

I'm a new user on this forum so can not post a direct link (yet).

[Edit]
http://blog.qnology.com/2013/03/tutorial-pogoplug-e02-with-arch-linux.html

I second qnology's recommendation above. I used it for my system and it works great. Qui, another program that would compliment the LMC and Squeezelite setup is the new MagicPlay protocol. It's open source and works on Raspberry Pi, but nothing for ALArm yet.

headed4hires
2013-10-17, 13:54
I may have missed it, but I didn't see anyone talking about the Surface RT tablet from Microsoft as a replacement for Squeezebox devices.

Like original poster on this thread, I have my music on a Windows Home Server system (HP Datavault), including MP3s and FLAC files, some of which are 24-bit high-res files I have been buying recently.

In addition to two SB Classics and a Touch, I had been using a dell laptop connected by USB to a DAC on one of the all-too-many stereo systems around the house. The laptop's fan is annoying when I'm listening to a quiet passage, and I have other plans for that unit.

I paid $350 for Microsoft Surface RT tablet recently, which is not much more than I paid for the SB units.

It has no fan. (Unlike the Surface Pro, which does have a fan, and is far more expensive.)
It "sees" the Windows server with the music on my home LAN.
It has a USB port to connect to the DAC.
Mediamonkey app running on the Surface RT is conversant with the Logitech Media Server software on the server, via UPnP, and plays all my music files.

There are a few minor issues (I heard a few hiccups in the playback while MS was pushing OS updates at the tablet), but did not require any fancy configuration footwork, just WiFi access point, which I already had.

Finding out if this would work before I took the plunge was the trickest part. I actually carried a DAC to the Microsoft store and a pair of headphones to prove to myself that the output side would function.

Yes you have to spend some time getting used to the Windows 8 interface. But given that I'm already invested in Microsoft infrastructure, this was I think one of the easiest ways to go. I know there's a lot of anti-Microsoft factionism out there, but if you are looking for a company that is likely to be still around in 5 years, I think you can put Microsoft on the list.

qnology
2013-10-17, 15:38
Using the Surface RT would be interesting.

I wonder if we can compile LMS and Squeezelite and side load/install them on the Surface RT?

Gingernut63
2013-10-18, 01:45
I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2 (ARM processor) running Windows 8 with SqueezePlay installed. I've tried it with two DACs, a Muse Mini USB DAC and a Behringer UCA202 with no problems. Won't use it this way myself but good to know there are no problems with this approach.

Not a fan of Windows 8 but it's a much better fit with my setup than an Android or Apple tablet. It's good to see that there are now multiple approaches to running a successful Squeezebox system. Long may it live.