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talvola
2013-07-24, 12:59
Not specifically Squeezebox related, but close. For anyone still using MusicIP Mixer...

Just recently (last night and today), MusicIP Mixer can no longer connect to its server, and gives the message 'The MusicIP server cannot be reached. If your internet connection is not ready, you may wish to fix that before continuing, otherwise analysis will take longer.'

I use MusicIP mixes a lot (even though I like SmartMix) - and would make me sad to see this finally go away. Anyone else having issues? Tried it at work and at home - so don't think it's my network setup.

--erik

SlimChances
2013-07-24, 13:30
You may be right. I didn't do any scans but tested the connection in Options and it said unable to connect. Would be a pity if it stopped working but I have my musicIP tags archived. The download of the program is still available though http://www.amplifindmusicservices.com/what/downloads.php

audiomuze
2013-07-24, 21:52
Just ran GenPUID to analyse some tracks and it's working fine. I don't think Gracenote has any incentive to block access to the MusicDNS server because people using it enrich the MusicDNS database which Gracenote in turn uses for commercial purposes.

SlimChances
2013-07-25, 09:50
I too found after retesting the connection in Options that it was working

cparker
2013-07-29, 08:23
Its been unreachable off and on, over the last week but seems to be back up again now. Just managed to register with a premium key as well which hasnt worked for ages :)

sander
2013-07-29, 10:00
Man, what I wouldn't give for a premium key. If I could get one I could use genpuid on Linux to update the database, but instead I have to use the windows version to archive the tags.

Is there any indication they are coming anything with this technology?

SlimChances
2013-07-29, 11:33
I don't have a premium key and run Ubuntu. I archive (fingerprint) all my MusiIP songs. I use MusicIP under WINE . I had it running under Linux without WINE for a while but it involved installing really old versions of JAVA and proved unreliable.

verypsb
2013-11-15, 00:06
is it down again?

slackhead
2013-11-17, 08:46
is it down again?

I'm getting "Server is unreachable.".

Hopefully it will be back up soon.

audiogene
2013-11-18, 10:48
I'm getting "Server is unreachable.".

Hopefully it will be back up soon.

Yes, it has been down for some days and still is. - genpuid and musicip mixer refuse to analyze new files. I have been fiddling with hosts file to redirect the server ip to localhost but it did not work either.

I think it would be catastrophic if their server deceased for ever. There is no mixing alternative for us LMS users let alone other server based music systems from hifi firms. The only working alternative would be apple's "Genius" technique - shuddering to think...

audiomuze
2013-11-18, 12:25
echonest, and there's already a plugin.

SlimChances
2013-11-18, 14:13
Yes, it has been down for some days and still is. - genpuid and musicip mixer refuse to analyze new files. I have been fiddling with hosts file to redirect the server ip to localhost but it did not work either.

I think it would be catastrophic if their server deceased for ever. There is no mixing alternative for us LMS users let alone other server based music systems from hifi firms. The only working alternative would be apple's "Genius" technique - shuddering to think...

There is Michael Herger's plugin Smart Mix

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97668-Announce-Smart-Mix-plugin&highlight=smart+mix

My issue with that plugin is that I don't think it is possible to define the directories scanned like MusicIP; it does all the songs scanned into LMS. Therefore in my case I can't play only FLAC music when I use Smart Mix (I have 2 Libraries, MP3 and FLAC) it mixes both libraries.

Otto-Wilhelm
2013-11-19, 13:52
,,,
I think it would be catastrophic if their server deceased for ever. There is no mixing alternative for us LMS users let alone other server based music systems from hifi firms. The only working alternative would be apple's "Genius" technique - shuddering to think...

I love MusicIP as well and hope that the server becomes operative again. Anyone who is using MusicIP already should regularly backup the MusicIP database. New music added to the collection can also be analyzed by the local MusicIP software alone without relying on the server, which of course needs some time, depending on the processing power of the computer.

gbcox
2013-11-22, 11:13
I love MusicIP as well and hope that the server becomes operative again. Anyone who is using MusicIP already should regularly backup the MusicIP database. New music added to the collection can also be analyzed by the local MusicIP software alone without relying on the server, which of course needs some time, depending on the processing power of the computer.

How do you analyze without the server. I didn't see the option in genpuid. Thanks!

Otto-Wilhelm
2013-11-22, 14:20
How do you analyze without the server. I didn't see the option in genpuid. Thanks!

I am using MusicIP Mixer, as can be downloaded at http://www.amplifindmusicservices.com/what/downloads.php

I use it not in a headless mode (if available) but with the normal Windows user interface. The menue has unter "Library" the sub-item "Start Analysis".

aubuti
2013-11-23, 08:14
I am using MusicIP Mixer, as can be downloaded at http://www.amplifindmusicservices.com/what/downloads.php

I use it not in a headless mode (if available) but with the normal Windows user interface. The menue has unter "Library" the sub-item "Start Analysis".
When you do the analysis using MusicIP Mixer GUI, will it write the analysis metadata (fingerprint, MusicIP Data, and PUID) to the FLAC files?

EDIT: I usually analyze tracks with genpuid in headless mode, but I just tried doing the analysis with MusicIP Mixer version 1.8.1b (Windows) and it reports the tracks as "Unanalyzable", and these are not obscure tracks. Anyone have _recent_ success with this approach?

SlimChances
2013-11-23, 09:40
I have most of my FLAC library archived and fingerprinted. Very few files were excluded. I did this initially under Windows (the bulk of my library was created when I had a Win XP PC, but later when I migrated my library to a Ubuntu machine I was able to fingerprint under Linux also. Right now if the server isn't working as stated on previous posts it might not work

Otto-Wilhelm
2013-11-25, 13:37
When you do the analysis using MusicIP Mixer GUI, will it write the analysis metadata (fingerprint, MusicIP Data, and PUID) to the FLAC files?

EDIT: I usually analyze tracks with genpuid in headless mode, but I just tried doing the analysis with MusicIP Mixer version 1.8.1b (Windows) and it reports the tracks as "Unanalyzable", and these are not obscure tracks. Anyone have _recent_ success with this approach?

Under Preferences/General the item "Archive analysis when tracks are analyzed (modifies files)" can be selected. I assume that this will write the analysis metadata into the music files, but I did not use this option so far.

I have also some tracks which can not be analyzed, mainly 24 bit flac downloads, but also some normal tracks obtained from ripping CDs, but this does not depend on whether the server is available or not.

Concerning the server: My understanding is that the data obtained from the server had been generated by the MusicIP Mixer program of another user, which had been sent to the server for being used by the Music IP mixer programs of other users. Accordingly, the server is not essential for using MusicIP but of course very convenient, since is saves a lot of time.

SlimChances
2013-11-25, 15:09
Archive analysis when tracks are analyzed (modifies files)


This modifies the track with a fingerprint tag with an alphanumeric code identifying the track so Music IP can use it in mixes. While this feature is not essential it is useful if you are upgrading the OS or want to transfer your library to a new computer as the meta data can be used by LMS to create mixes without the need of rescanning your entire library again with MusicIP (can be a long process)

aubuti
2013-11-25, 15:57
Thanks Otto-Wilhelm and SlimChances for the info. Back years ago when I used the Windows MusicIP gui I also encountered occasional tracks that it couldn't analyze. But I get a lot more pessimistic when I see that it can't seem to analyze _any_ tracks that I throw at it while the server is unreachable.

Also, I don't see anything mentioned about MusicIP's _analysis_ being done by the MusicIP gui. Generating a fingerprint is not the same thing, nor is matching to an existing PUID. Will the GUI do a full analysis, or only fingerprinting? Thanks.

Waxlion
2013-11-25, 16:16
The archive option is greyed out in my version.

tcutting
2013-11-25, 19:02
I'm no expert, but tried this weekend as I ripped some new music. I have been generating the PUID on LINUX (where my LMS server runs). It no longer works there - complaining that the server was not available. I did try on Windows, by downloading the MusicMagic Mixer (I believe that's what it is called) to see if I could analyze from there. I pointed it to the few new tracks, but nothing seemed to happen and no indication it was doing anything.
If someone figures out how to do the analysis, fingerprinting, PUID generation without the servers, please post a "how to"!

Thanks!

Wirrunna
2013-11-25, 20:47
C. Parker has MusicIP (MIP) guides here http://spicefly.com/section.php?section=overview - look at the drop down menus.

I'm intrigued what you use the PUID for.
As I understand it, Erland now uses Musicbrainz track ID to identify a track in his TrackStat plugin and MIP doesn't use PUID to create a mix.

aubuti
2013-11-26, 07:57
I'm intrigued what you use the PUID for.
As I understand it, Erland now uses Musicbrainz track ID to identify a track in his TrackStat plugin and MIP doesn't use PUID to create a mix.
I suspect he meant "...generating the PUID etc...." That is, not only the PUID, but also the fingerprint and the MusicIP data (or whatever the tag with the analysis results is called). MIP uses one (or both?) of the other tags for creating mixes.

Otto-Wilhelm
2013-11-26, 13:42
I'm no expert, but tried this weekend as I ripped some new music. I have been generating the PUID on LINUX (where my LMS server runs). It no longer works there - complaining that the server was not available. I did try on Windows, by downloading the MusicMagic Mixer (I believe that's what it is called) to see if I could analyze from there. I pointed it to the few new tracks, but nothing seemed to happen and no indication it was doing anything.
If someone figures out how to do the analysis, fingerprinting, PUID generation without the servers, please post a "how to"!

Thanks!

Since the server is down, I have already analyzed at least 600 new tracks from newly ripped CDs using MusicIP Mixer, as can be downloaded at http://www.amplifindmusicservices.co.../downloads.php. I have a license - I do not know whether this matters.

The analysis processing can be started in the GUI under "Library". When the server is down one has to confirm that the analysis is indeed to be effected. Since I have a quite powerful system (Intel Xeon X3210 4-core CPU at 2,13 GHz) the analysis without server is fast enough for incrementally increasing music library. Redoing the analysis for my complete library (currently about 80000 tracks) would take too long, however. Therefor the MusicIP database is automatically backuped regularly.

According to my workflow I do not use embedded meta data in my FLAC files.

yeomanspc
2013-11-26, 13:52
+1 for using the Windows version, although I do seem to be able to still get analysis done on my QNAP server using the web interface provided by Charles of Spicefly. Since I now replicate my music to other servers, I have started to archive the fingerprints within the MP3 tags, but I also backup the m3lib file as well. So I run stand-alone and once the analysis is done it's not so bad. I guess this is the world we will have to get used to - if Logitech turn off the squeezebox.com servers it will be the same. Not as easy but we'll manage.
Incidentally, fingerprinting a few hundred tracks usually runs fine overnight on the server, and as machines get more powerful it will take less time. If I lost all my fingerprints I'd still have the pc run for a few weeks to re-do them all again because MusicIP and Sugarcube are worth it.

Are folk having a problem running standalone because they do not have a key? I seem to recall a download option on the Spicefly site to get some kind of key to enable this? I do not recall doing this, but then it is probably 6 - 7 years since I started using mip.

cparker
2013-11-28, 09:29
Something to note on Windows if you are using Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE). With the recent downtime, MIP was manually fingerprinting an album of 12 tracks, but not making any headway for 30mins or so. I then stopped MIP and added the mipcore.exe as an excluded process in MSE, mipcore file is found under; C:\Program Files (x86)\MusicIP\MusicIP Mixer

Then restarted MIP and it shot through the files and analysed a track every 30secs, cant guarantee it will make any difference but something to try if you are stuck.

tcutting
2013-11-29, 16:15
Thanks for the suggestions. I was able to successfully fingerprint my latest rips using the Windows MusicIP mixer. Per CParker's suggestion, I exclude the mipcore.exe from MSE - don't know if that helped, or if it was just previous cockpit error which kept me from being able to analyze the tracks.

I do have another question on the Music IP process... when I go the the MusicMagic Server web page running on my Linux server, the number of songs it shows it much higher than the number of titles in my LMS library. If I hit the "Search Songs" button without any text, I see that many, but not all, of the titles are listed twice. It's a "nit", as everything seems to work OK... it just seems strange. Any thoughts?

Thanks!

robanglin
2013-11-30, 17:38
The archive option is greyed out in my version.

My archive option is also grayed out. I have been doing analysis and archiving the tags directly into my FLAC file using the following command: genpuid <DNS Key> -r -logex -m3lib=cache.m3lib -archive C:\Music

I have been trying to find an option to force analysis to be done done locally to no avail. Does such an option exist? I have seen allusions to forcing this to happen via hosts file modifications, but no explicit instructions. Could someone post details? Much appreciated.

Thank you.

Rob

cparker
2013-12-02, 11:44
My archive option is also grayed out.

The archive option will be greyed out if MIP is scanning or analysing tracks. You need to wait or stop the scanning, see Library -> Stop Analysis. Then you should be able to tick the box and restart the scanning process.

To force local only add this to your hosts file;
music.predixis.com 127.0.0.1

Some additional command line options for the *GUI* here;
http://www.spicefly.com/article.php?page=musicip-commandline

This one may be useful but probably does the opposite of what you want!? :)
-analysistimeout # Wait longer before timing out during analysis. The # is a scaling factor (e.g. 2 will cause the timeout to be twice as long). [win32, linux]

Additional page on how to make the song number line up with LMS and MIP here;
http://www.spicefly.com/article.php?page=add-music-into-musicip-logitech-media-server

Hope that helps

robanglin
2013-12-03, 11:21
The archive option will be greyed out if MIP is scanning or analysing tracks. You need to wait or stop the scanning, see Library -> Stop Analysis. Then you should be able to tick the box and restart the scanning process.

To force local only add this to your hosts file;
music.predixis.com 127.0.0.1

Thanks Charles! I will try this when I get a chance later this week. BTW, big, big SugarCube fan for 5+ years now. Your plugin is probably the one Squeezebox add-in I couldn't live without.

merrickw
2013-12-11, 12:39
I am assuming with the server down the "Fix Tags" feature is dead in the water as well ...
That was tremendously useful for mp3's with missing or wrong tags.

Does anyone have an alternative for that?

SlimChances
2014-01-06, 13:52
After finding the server no longer connects a couple of weeks ago I am no longer able to archive fingerprints of new music. I can still scan new music to theHeadless server for use with the MusicIP plugin in LMS but no fingerprints. I know Charles Parker has instructions for Linux but only up to Ubuntu 11.10 and I am using 12.04 and will upgrade to 14.04 this Spring probably. Has anyone had success installing MusicIP(preferably GUI) onto 12.04 or later versions of Ubuntu? I had it working under WINE but it seems to be broken now

SlimChances
2014-01-14, 21:14
I reinstalled MusicIP under WINE and I am now able to archive/fingerprint music. It is working in Headless mode and I was able to import MusicIP on a Squeezebox scan(scan reports -MusicIP Import (17526 of 17526) Complete 00:00:11)
. I am not sure why this is the case but even though MusicIP is enabled in the server and players I am not able to produce MusicIP playlists. MM appears under album but not song and under album it doesn't work. I also tried deleting my cache folder and rescanning

Edit: All working fine now. I am able to archive/fingerprint tracks and also create mixes with LMS. This is how I did it:
It is a two pronged approach with WINE looking after archiving and a Linux install of MusicIP looking after the Headless server and importing MusicIP into LMS
1) Follow the directions HERE (http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Install-the-software/Install-MusicIP.html) exactly. The directions are for older versions of Ubuntu but work fine for 12.04 64bit Precice Pangolin. One deviation was I did not have VIM installed and used gedit text editor instead.
2) Install WINE through Software Centre or download HERE (http://www.winehq.org/) and install
3) Download the Windows version of MusicIP HERE (http://www.spicefly.com/article.php?page=musicip-software) and install.
4) Open MusicIP under WINE and make the necessary changes in Preferences (under General:Untick Check for software updates on startup,Tick Archive analysis when tracks are analyzed , Under Services: set Service Port to 10003 and untick enabled services Under Send To: send to should be Slimserver

audiomuze
2014-03-31, 02:02
So I take it that Gracenote has finally pulled the pin on the MusicDNS servers being available publicly?

SlimChances
2014-03-31, 04:53
looks that way, but local scans and validation still works