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pablolie
2013-05-27, 10:50
...wow. For the first time I checked into stocking one for the future. Fair pricing for the SBv3, but the SBvTouch is out of control. If I was in Logitech it would make me go "hm... how about a 'limited' edition production run at $349?". There seems to be a very strong demand out there, otherwise such aftermarket prices (for a discontinued product!!) would seem unsustainable! I guess SB enthusiasts are building out their future-proofing... :D

This bodes well for those trying to carry the SB concept forward as a profitable company.

servies
2013-05-28, 01:36
...wow. For the first time I checked into stocking one for the future. Fair pricing for the SBv3, but the SBvTouch is out of control. If I was in Logitech it would make me go "hm... how about a 'limited' edition production run at $349?".

Unfortunately for Logitech, those in the lead are a bunch of <beeeeep> with no clue or vision... They probably rather drive the company into oblivion than admitting that they took a wrong turn...

There seems to be a very strong demand out there, otherwise such aftermarket prices (for a discontinued product!!) would seem unsustainable! I guess SB enthusiasts are building out their future-proofing... :D

This bodes well for those trying to carry the SB concept forward as a profitable company.
I can agree on that... Looking at some of the decisions Logitech made it wouldn't surprise me when 10 to 15 years from now the SB concept is thriving with a healty community etc and Logitech is something we only talk about in the past tense...

the nightfly
2013-05-28, 20:31
Logitech bought out two of the best, most highly-praised products in home-entertainment integration, the SB and the Harmony remote, and managed to run them BOTH into the ground. Hard to imagine anyone pulling off such a "feat" without actually setting out to destroy the company, but it seems Logitech's bigwigs are eerily "gifted" in-duh-viduals.

erland
2013-05-29, 09:30
Logitech bought out two of the best, most highly-praised products in home-entertainment integration, the SB and the Harmony remote, and managed to run them BOTH into the ground. Hard to imagine anyone pulling off such a "feat" without actually setting out to destroy the company, but it seems Logitech's bigwigs are eerily "gifted" in-duh-viduals.

Did they really run Harmony into the ground ?
I thought they just planned to sell the Harmony product family to some company willing to acquire it ?

funkstar
2013-05-29, 23:20
Did they really run Harmony into the ground ?
I thought they just planned to sell the Harmony product family to some company willing to acquire it ?
Still making them, still developing them and still marketing them.

Got an email from them this morning:

http://email1.logitech.com/p/v8yFhHls7N

Osamede
2013-05-30, 01:18
Yeah, the pricing on Touch is out of hand. I have 2 or 3 and wouldnt mind getting another couple.

On the other hand, let's face it: the classic 2-channel stereo receiver is going the way of the dodo - and even the AV receiver market is struggling to maintain pricepoint. Everyone has a touchscreen in their hand (smartphone) which is more convenient and updateable interface than Touch. So the volume possibility this market probably moves to people using high quality powered speakers and just needing a dongle or even the DAC built in.

So maybe an Apple TV/Duet type of dongle box (i.e the Touch hardware stubbed off into Duet form factor) has more possibility for success than a straightforward Touch encore.

Corelli45
2013-05-31, 14:14
You're better off getting a Wandboard or a Pi. I have a pi running LMS and Squeezelite player controlled by my iPad. Works great and sound quality is on a par with the SBT. Better still it has cost much less than the Touch.

pablolie
2013-06-01, 10:36
You're better off getting a Wandboard or a Pi. I have a pi running LMS and Squeezelite player controlled by my iPad. Works great and sound quality is on a par with the SBT. Better still it has cost much less than the Touch.


Really? I always heard the audio on the Pi was quote inferior to what's supposed to be a very good DA on the SBT. I have 2 Pis around maybe I'll check.

Corelli45
2013-06-02, 06:45
I have mine running through a Behringer Dac and Naim amplification, though I'm looking to feed it through my MF dac. I did try it using hdmi through my Onkyo and pure audio but the sound was thicker and less dynamic. Give it a try though and let me know what you think.

erland
2013-06-02, 22:21
Really? I always heard the audio on the Pi was quote inferior to what's supposed to be a very good DA on the SBT. I have 2 Pis around maybe I'll check.

I believe you need an external DAC connected to the Pi to get good audio quality out of it, my experience is that the analogue outputs from a Pi isn't very good compared to the analogue outputs from a Touch. As I've understood the Pi also have incompatibility issues with some asynchronous external USB DAC's so it's important to select a compatible DAC.

cadfish
2013-06-02, 23:22
There are some sites collecting data about PI compatible DACS:

https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home/List-of-USB-DACs

http://www.raspyfi.com/raspberry-pi-usb-dac-and-raspyfi-supported-dacs/

Corelli45
2013-06-03, 08:55
I heard raspyfi have a fix for USB audio.

cadfish
2013-06-03, 23:15
As of version 0.9 piCorePlayer also uses the improved kernel.

dsdreamer
2013-06-04, 07:40
I find the following combo is stable with excellent SQ

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WBDUAL/1406-0004-ND for $103
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WBENCLOSURE/1406-0003-ND $10.35
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/WBANTENNAKIT/1406-0002-ND $10.00
http://hifimediy.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=83 $42
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004TA0AUW/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 $9.99
Plug-In AC Adapters 10W 5V OUTPUT US AC 2 PRONG PLUG $10
http://www.communitysqueeze.org/images/wandboard/CSOS/CSOS-Wandboard-Dual-R4-20130510-2.img.7z (free)

So for $185, you get better sound quality than the SB Touch's analog output (IMO, based on the HifiMeDiy Sabre USB DAC's competent implementation of the ESS Sabre ES9023 chip). This particular DAC will plug straight into the USB port of the Wandboard without needing a hub. Furthermore, if you do add a hub and a USB HDD it will run LMS with decent speed, due to the dual core 1GHz CPU and 1GB DDR3 RAM.