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erland
2013-02-26, 21:30
For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use premium online streaming services. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future.

One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.

The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family.

If you have separate accounts, is the main purpose of that to be able to stream simultaneously or is it mainly to be able to keep track of individual favorites and playlists ?

If you have separate accounts, do you feel it would be important to be able to listen to the music from one of the account on all player devices in the house ?

If you have separate accounts, do you have accounts from different streaming providers or does all family member use the same streaming provider ?

If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?

Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ?

I'll post a separate thread for local music, so don't use this thread to say that you don't use online services.

simbo
2013-02-27, 02:23
One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.
I confess I've never tried, but I'm surprised this is disallowed - at least if they're all coming from the same public IP address.


The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family.
One account for all.


If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?
Not severely, but to some degree. I ask them not to "Add to Library" and for them to use it purely as an ad-hoc listening service (I use the library... I'm excluded from my own rule on the basis I pay for it). It doesn't always work - I sometimes see One Direction and similar appearing in the library.


Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ?
First and foremost, I want our new Community-SB devices to support them! Non-SB players can't access Rhapsody UK (Napster) and I suspect we'll be in a similar position with the Community-SB for the time being. Beyond that, allowing different users to have different libraries would be nice as, when my kids get older, they're more likely to demand such a feature. I think that's the answer you were looking for. ;-)

bernt
2013-02-27, 03:30
For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use premium online streaming services. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future.

One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.

The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family.

If you have separate accounts, is the main purpose of that to be able to stream simultaneously or is it mainly to be able to keep track of individual favorites and playlists ?

If you have separate accounts, do you feel it would be important to be able to listen to the music from one of the account on all player devices in the house ?

If you have separate accounts, do you have accounts from different streaming providers or does all family member use the same streaming provider ?

If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?

Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ?

I'll post a separate thread for local music, so don't use this thread to say that you don't use online services.

1. Both.
2. Yes.
3. The same.
4. Yes.
5. Be able to select account per device.

garym
2013-02-27, 05:06
We have single account (MOG, free Pandora).

maggior
2013-02-27, 06:43
We use slacker, pandora, and rhapsody. Rhapsody is the only premium service we use.

On a regular basis, different squeezeboxes are streaming different content from Rhapsody. If that capability was lost, I'd drop rhapsody.

1-3 don't apply since we have a single account.
4 - Yes, it would be great to be able to track playlists and libraries on a per user basis. Though I'll gladly suffer this rather than pay for separate accounts.

ajkidle
2013-02-27, 07:11
We use Rhapsody and Pandora ONE. Single accounts for the family, although it's possible that will change as the kids get older. Rhapsody's current offering of "family plans" is severely limiting and stupid.

Currently I'm the only one in the family who really plays with maintaining a library, favorites, playlist, etc., so none of that has been a problem. Again, this may change as the kids get older. It would be nice if I could quarantine the kid music within my Rhapsody library, but Rhapsody's library management tools are already very weak. (Orphaned albums being the most pesky annoyance - stuff that was available at one itme, but is no longer for whatever reaon.) And I worry that material changes to library management on the SBS side would confuse how I interact with Rhapsody directly via my iPhone or PC.

My dream SBS system would combine results of my local FLAC library with my Rhapsody library. And there would be some indicator that let's me know the source of the content (local vs Rhapsody.) I'd be okay with (and might prefer) seeing duplication - i.e., under Pink Floyd I'd see the the FLAC version of Wish You Were Here and the Rhapsody version of the same album.

HeadBanger
2013-02-28, 00:48
We've just started using Napster after a disappointing trial of Spotify and really like it.

It has a very intuitive GUI meaning that you can actually find new stuff. Much better than Spotify in this regard. Also, we can stream separately to each of our SBs whilst Spotify will only allow one steam (which can of course be shared by synchronising).

Spotify wins on SQ (320kbps vs 192kbps) and also plays gaplessly which Napster does not. However, we're not using this as our primary music source but as a way to actually find new music we like (which is stupidly hard on Spotify). This plus the fact that it is half the price of Spotify means it is an overall winner for us.

Dogberry2
2013-03-01, 12:17
We use Pandora, SiriusXM, and occasionally Slacker. One account in each case. Never felt a need for separate accounts/playlists/favorites. The currently-existing functionality is adequate for our needs. Obviously if a new plugin or plugins had that same functionality but added new features, that would be fine, but we're not pressed for anything new.

plympton
2013-03-01, 12:49
If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?


I have a single Pandora account, and it would be nice to have separate ones, with individual favorites. Kiddo favorites, my favorites, genre favorites. Also, the SB Pandora interaction isn't as refined as the iOS app - you can do far more on it, even vs. iPeng (don't have a list handy at the moment)

w3wilkes
2013-03-01, 13:18
Pretty much play local music only. Little to none online service usage. Occasional novelty browsing at the most.

matka
2013-03-01, 13:30
I use qobuz plug-in extensivelly.


One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.
I think I streamed by a mistake 2 diff songs to 2 diff devices behind NAT. Did not know this is an issue.


The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family.
It is really only me who uses the account, the rest of the family does their own things and barely pay attention to what I do with music. I don't think we will ever converge.


If you have separate accounts, is the main purpose of that to be able to stream simultaneously or is it mainly to be able to keep track of individual favorites and playlists ?

If you have separate accounts, do you feel it would be important to be able to listen to the music from one of the account on all player devices in the house ?

If you have separate accounts, do you have accounts from different streaming providers or does all family member use the same streaming provider ?

If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?
N/A


Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ? O yes, I do, here are the basics:

choice of streaming quality, up to lossless. No lossless - I'm not a customer.
correct and rich metadata embeded in tags, including proper classical tags
rich search criteria based on metadata db lookups, not tags
streaming not only music but also supporting content - booklets, bios, discographies, reviews, etc.
cloud for my own cd's or audio files including lossless
music marketplace for files and cd's

sbp
2013-03-01, 13:53
Hi.

I'm using wimp, and here there is no problem playing different songs on different players, so I'm not sure that it is not possible in the future to have a similar feature.

paulster
2013-03-01, 13:58
MOG also allows more than one simultaneous stream and that's something I've taken advantage of occasionally. Usually I just use it to listen to new albums before I buy them though.

erland
2013-03-09, 23:02
I'd like to thank everyone who have answered on my questions in the initial post so far and I'm just posting this to lift up the thread in case some people missed it the first time. The intention with the thread was to get a feeling if there is a need for better support for online music listening in families and how you handle it today with Squeezebox.

paulster
2013-03-10, 00:05
1. Single account for MOG

2. N/A

3. N/A

4. No

5. Happy with how it is now. Love that MOG can stream to more than one device with different streams, and supports synchronisation as well.

kc5f
2013-03-10, 07:12
We use Last.fm as our premium service, with Slacker and Pandora as free services. One account for each for the whole family.

The ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member: Not a problem in our house. My wife and I have fairly similar tastes, and we have favorites for each of us. We don't use playlists. The only problem is when our kids come over and want to listen to boy bands or metal. We just have them use Pandora and turn off Last.fm scrobbling while they're here!

My dream system and online streaming services: It would be nice to accommodate multiple instances of a service, but not really necessary for us.

jhonsberger@msn.com
2013-03-10, 16:01
1. Single account for MOG

2. N/A

3. N/A

4. No

5. Happy with how it is now. Love that MOG can stream to more than one device with different streams, and supports synchronisation as well.

I finding that no 5 is no longer the case . That runnnng one stream will now cutoff the other .

paulster
2013-03-10, 16:14
I finding that no 5 is no longer the case . That runnnng one stream will now cutoff the other .

I've just tested it again right now and I have two different streams running from MOG perfectly. Weird that you don't. Hopefully this isn't something that's getting rolled out gradually.

I forgot to add that I also use the MP3tunes Music Locker, because I use the DAR.FM service to record a radio show I always miss on a Saturday night, and that drops the recordings into MP3tunes.

JJZolx
2013-03-10, 19:38
I've just tested it again right now and I have two different streams running from MOG perfectly. Weird that you don't. Hopefully this isn't something that's getting rolled out gradually.

I just tested it and it works fine for me as well.

SpeedyM
2013-03-12, 05:34
1) We use just 1 premium account: Pandora One
2) My guess is that most would prefer the ability to multi-stream vs. individual playlist
3) Yes.
4) Not needed. 1 favorites list is sufficient for us, but I could see how larger families would like to customize for each persons likes/dislikes.
5) Last I checked we are able to receive different streams from a single Pandora One account simultaneously. I'll check tonight to see if this is still the case.

socistep
2013-03-12, 05:50
For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use premium online streaming services. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future.

One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.

The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family.

If you have separate accounts, is the main purpose of that to be able to stream simultaneously or is it mainly to be able to keep track of individual favorites and playlists ?

If you have separate accounts, do you feel it would be important to be able to listen to the music from one of the account on all player devices in the house ?

If you have separate accounts, do you have accounts from different streaming providers or does all family member use the same streaming provider ?

If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?

Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ?

I'll post a separate thread for local music, so don't use this thread to say that you don't use online services.

1) one account - spotify

We aren't missing individual playlists for user, its myself & my girlfriend and she will just listen to what I set up - spotify usage is mainly me listening to new albums before I buy, playlist wise its local music and smart/dynamic playlists that are used 95% of the time

Dream system for me would be able to link online/local music more in terms of music discovery, so if I'd had a few Josh Rouse albums in my local library it would aggregate his online & local music and also alert me when he had a new album or single out rather then me always having to review websites/magazines etc. for new music

JonWill
2013-03-12, 09:38
For those of you who are living together with a spouse or kids, I'd like to understand a bit better how you would like to use premium online streaming services. Ignore what's supported in LMS and Squeezebox today and instead think about how you would like it to work in the future.

One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.

The questions I'm wondering about is related to if you have separate premium streaming service account for each family member or if you are using one account for the whole family.

If you have separate accounts, is the main purpose of that to be able to stream simultaneously or is it mainly to be able to keep track of individual favorites and playlists ?

There is a house Napster/ Rhaposdy account which all used (from 6 up!) Our 15 yearold has a separate free spotify account which she uses mainly to build playlists, I believe - no idea why - probably to do with the brand :). We also have a Deezer account (free with my mobile phone contract - useful as it (i) has a slightly different library and (ii) means that I can take music that I don't own offline - e.g. into the car

If you have separate accounts, do you feel it would be important to be able to listen to the music from one of the account on all player devices in the house ?

Syncing is important to us (well, me!) - so yes. However the teen's music may follow her around like a bad smell.


If you have separate accounts, do you have accounts from different streaming providers or does all family member use the same streaming provider ?

As above - Napster/ Rhapsody premium - Spotify free and Deezer as a part of a phone package


If you have a single account for the whole family, are you severely missing the ability to keep track of individual playlists or favorites for each family member ?

I think the Teen would miss that ...


Do you have any ideas how you would like online streaming services to work on your Squeezebox and portable devices from a family perspective ? How would your dream system handle it ?

Most of my use cases are covered at the moment...

mweb
2013-08-14, 08:00
One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this usually is prohibited by the streaming providers and won't change in the future.

For me, this is the single most annoying issue with streaming music. My kids want to stream pop hits with Pandora and at the same time, I want to stream something other than pop hits with Pandora.

aubuti
2013-08-14, 09:05
For me, this is the single most annoying issue with streaming music. My kids want to stream pop hits with Pandora and at the same time, I want to stream something other than pop hits with Pandora.
Would separate Pandora accounts and separate mysb.com accounts get around this? Or would Pandora still limit it to one stream on the basis of the single outward-facing IP address on the router/modem?