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Philip Bouscarle
2004-11-19, 10:43
Am I the only person who thinks "wtf?" when I read people discussing a
competitor's product in the Slim lists? Surely the purpose of these
discussions is to help people get their Slim products working and
developing, not to promote the products of a company which has basically
pilfered slimserver without any payback?

Just seems like bad manners to Dean and the rest at Slim who are doing
their best to improve the product by reading these lists.

What do you think, Dean?

Philip

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[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Anthony
James
Sent: 19 November 2004 17:00
To: Slim Devices Discussion
Subject: [slim] London Mac Expo

What functionality does the Roku lack?

Richard Scott
2004-11-19, 11:40
I dunno, go over to the Roku boards and there's more than a mere
mention of the SqueezeBox - SlimServer solutions.

I think the marketplace is best served with open, honest dialog. My
vote is here with the SlimDevices.

Morgan


On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:43:57 -0000, Philip Bouscarle
<pbouscarle (AT) interbar (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
> Am I the only person who thinks "wtf?" when I read people discussing a
> competitor's product in the Slim lists? Surely the purpose of these
> discussions is to help people get their Slim products working and
> developing, not to promote the products of a company which has basically
> pilfered slimserver without any payback?
>
> Just seems like bad manners to Dean and the rest at Slim who are doing
> their best to improve the product by reading these lists.
>
> What do you think, Dean?
>
> Philip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Anthony
> James
> Sent: 19 November 2004 17:00
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] London Mac Expo
>
> What functionality does the Roku lack?
>

Anthony James
2004-11-19, 12:37
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:43:57 -0000, Philip Bouscarle
<pbouscarle (AT) interbar (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
> Am I the only person who thinks "wtf?" when I read people discussing a
> competitor's product in the Slim lists? Surely the purpose of these
> discussions is to help people get their Slim products working and
> developing, not to promote the products of a company which has basically
> pilfered slimserver without any payback?

This is the 'discuss' list. I've got a Tivo and frequent the UK Tivo
Forum. There has always been a lot of discussion of other products
and quite a few people there seem to have competing products as well
as a Tivo.

Personally i think it's healthy. I was thinking again on the way home
this evening that the Roku is a really nice looking piece of kit and
i've a few friends who've looked at the Squeezebox and dislike the
looks but would probably go for a Roku. Slim Devices need that
feedback and will need to get their customer's views and evolve their
product if they're to survive. I like the metal case and blue
display of the Roku - in some ways (although i never saw one in the
flesh) i prefer the Sslimp3 to the Squeezbox. The Roku is actually
more similar in concept to the slimp in terms of it's fixing options.

Anthony James
2004-11-19, 12:45
I don't have anything in the dropdown other than Java Sound Engine to
switch to. That might explain why my sych is poor

kdf
2004-11-19, 12:50
Quoting Anthony James <b33k34 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:

> I don't have anything in the dropdown other than Java Sound Engine to
> switch to. That might explain why my sych is poor
>
make sure you have the very latest JRE (1.5.0, 5.0). then you should see the
other options.

however, using the primary sound driver does seem to increase the CPU usage
greatly. I can't use it on my 1.4G P4 because it will crap out any time I load
a page in my browser. Of course, this is also my work computer where I'm
forced to be subjected to an overzealous copy of McAfee OnAccess scanner which
also hogs CPU any time the browser refreshes or a file in accesses...or if you
look at the computer the wrong way...
-kdf

Daniel Cohen
2004-11-19, 13:25
On 19/11/04 at 5:43 pm +0000, Philip Bouscarle wrote
>Am I the only person who thinks "wtf?" when I read people discussing a
>competitor's product in the Slim lists? Surely the purpose of these
>discussions is to help people get their Slim products working and
>developing, not to promote the products of a company which has basically
>pilfered slimserver without any payback?
>
>Just seems like bad manners to Dean and the rest at Slim who are doing
>their best to improve the product by reading these lists.
>
>What do you think, Dean?

Not sure if this is directed to me or to the person who responded to me.

As far as I am concerned, I felt that the fact that competing
products were visible where many people could see them, and
Squeezebox was not, was worth commenting on in the list. Maybe next
year, Slimdevices might be able to persuade one of their distributors
to have the Squeezebox present at the show.

And also I felt that comparing competing products is worth doing. It
offers possibilities for Slimdevices to say (among themselves, not
necessarily in public) "We hadn't thought of that, we might consider
it" or "We would never want to do that".

For myself, Roku's pilfering means that I would not want to deal with
them - but nonetheless I do prefer the Roku's looks.
--
Daniel Cohen

Mark Bennett
2004-11-19, 14:23
At first I agreed with you, then I thought about it.

Who better to point out the failings of the Roku than the
people on this list? Most people on this list have chosen
Slim Devices, they've done so for good reasons, and they
also tend to be very supportive of Slim (usual grumblings
apart).

Does it become more acceptable to you if the question is
effectively re-phrased?

"Why is Slim Devices a better solution than Roku?"

This is the way that we should perceive such questions,
and those with direct experience on this forum should use
their knowledge to help Slim with their sales effort by
answering them.

Just my humble opinion.

On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 17:43, Philip Bouscarle wrote:
> Am I the only person who thinks "wtf?" when I read people discussing a
> competitor's product in the Slim lists? Surely the purpose of these
> discussions is to help people get their Slim products working and
> developing, not to promote the products of a company which has basically
> pilfered slimserver without any payback?
>
> Just seems like bad manners to Dean and the rest at Slim who are doing
> their best to improve the product by reading these lists.
>
> What do you think, Dean?
>
> Philip

Graham Ridgway at home
2004-11-19, 14:56
Looks like possibly you are the only one Philip!
Graham
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Bouscarle" <pbouscarle (AT) interbar (DOT) co.uk>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:43 PM
Subject: [slim] London Mac Expo


> Am I the only person who thinks "wtf?" when I read people discussing a
> competitor's product in the Slim lists? Surely the purpose of these
> discussions is to help people get their Slim products working and
> developing, not to promote the products of a company which has basically
> pilfered slimserver without any payback?
>
> Just seems like bad manners to Dean and the rest at Slim who are doing
> their best to improve the product by reading these lists.
>
> What do you think, Dean?
>
> Philip
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Anthony
> James
> Sent: 19 November 2004 17:00
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] London Mac Expo
>
> What functionality does the Roku lack?
>