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erland
2013-01-17, 09:31
Since the other thread I posted about a community maintained wiki got pretty small interest, I thought I'd try posting a poll instead to see if it's possible to find out a bit more about the interest.

The reason for the poll is that I've recently realized that we barely maintain and update the wiki at http://wiki.slimdevices.com anymore. For me personally, one reason to not spend significant time to update information at http://wiki.slimdevices.com is that it's hosted by Logitech and I'm a bit afraid that one day sometime in the future they will just shut it down and all data would be lost. However, the problem this causes me is that I'm starting to have a hard time to find certain information because it's now spread in many different forum threads and it's not always that easy to find which one that's most accurate.

The other thread was this one:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97718-Interest-for-community-maintained-music-streaming-wiki

SuperQ
2013-01-17, 11:58
Since wiki.slimdevices.com is mediawiki, it should be easy enough to dump the contents and move it over to wikia. This seems to be the most reasonable way to for the information and start a community maintained version.

It would be nice if we could get Logitech to release what's left of the squeezebox system to the community. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the slimdevices.com domain to the community.

cparker
2013-01-17, 13:25
Yep definitely its annoying that its so out of date and seems to be locked down to update.

Happy to host it if you like, drop me a line if interested

Cheers

fragfutter
2013-01-17, 14:19
a wiki only makes sense if it is used. As the wiki is neither announced by logitech (for tutorials) nor prominently here (for developer informations) it makes not a lot of sense to me.

For me source code and the forum is the current information base. I only update a few wiki pages from time to time if i happen to notice they are out of date.

fragfutter
2013-01-17, 14:21
i just took a look at the wiki changelog. Heavy user creation spam. *wow*

in any case the wiki needs maintenance, if used or not ;)

erland
2013-01-17, 23:43
Since wiki.slimdevices.com is mediawiki, it should be easy enough to dump the contents and move it over to wikia. This seems to be the most reasonable way to for the information and start a community maintained version.

Hosting won't be a problem, we already have a solution for that.



It would be nice if we could get Logitech to release what's left of the squeezebox system to the community. Maybe they'd be willing to give up the slimdevices.com domain to the community.

The thing is that I don't think we should take over the forum at this time because Logitech is doing that great and people are still happy posting in it, so based on this I don't think it's a good idea to take over the whole domain.

The situation is different with the wiki where people seem to have lost interest to add new information and maintain existing information, if we decide to create a community maintained wiki we will check with Logitech if it's possible to get the wiki database to make the transition a bit easier. I'm not sure they will go for it but possibly there is a chance if they can see that they can reduce some costs by shutting down wiki.slimdevices.com after the transition.

As I mentioned in the other thread I've acquired a few potential domain names we could use instead of slimdevices.com:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97718-Interest-for-community-maintained-music-streaming-wiki&p=732518#post732518

lrossouw
2013-01-18, 02:48
"Yes, I can help update no matter where it's hosted option" is misisng.

garym
2013-01-18, 05:49
"Yes, I can help update no matter where it's hosted option" is misisng.

Agree. I was willing to help either way.

erland
2013-01-18, 10:37
"Yes, I can help update no matter where it's hosted option" is misisng.

Yes, I realized that after posting the poll, I suggest that people who feel it doesn't matter who host it:
1. Realize that the content might be lost the day Logitech decides to shut it down.
2. Vote on the first option where it's hosted by Logitech if you feel this doesn't matter.
3. Analyze why you haven't updated a wiki page during the last 6-12 months, basically why do you suddenly feel you want to update it if you haven't done it during the last 6-12 months ?

There is no point having the wiki if we aren't using it and if we want to use it we must be prepared to spend time to update it, which obviously isn't the case at the moment because I checked in the wiki history and there have barely been any updates during the last 6-12 months. Also, feel free to start updating wiki.slimdevices.com already today because we should be able to copy the contents from it if we later decide to create a community maintained wiki.

Point 1 is not a problem if the community maintains it because then we can arrange so anyone that wants can get a daily/weekly backup of the wiki database. It could possibly be worth to check if that would be a possibility also if Logitech hosts it, but I personally doubt they would be willing to arrange it unless they see that they can save some costs.

garym
2013-01-18, 10:39
Yes, I realized that after posting the poll, I suggest that people who feel it doesn't matter who host it:
1. Realize that the content might be lost the day Logitech decides to shut it down.
2. Vote on the first option where it's hosted by Logitech if you feel this doesn't matter.
3. Analyze why you haven't updated a wiki page during the last 6-12 months, basically why do you suddenly feel you want to update it if you haven't done it during the last 6-12 months ?

There is no point having the wiki if we aren't using it and if we want to use it we must be prepared to spend time to update it, which obviously isn't the case at the moment because I checked in the wiki history and there have barely been any updates during the last 6-12 months. Also, feel free to start updating wiki.slimdevices.com already today because we should be able to copy the contents from it if we later decide to create a community maintained wiki.

Point 1 is not a problem if the community maintains it because then we can arrange so anyone that wants can get a daily/weekly backup of the wiki database. It could possibly be worth to check if that would be a possibility also if Logitech hosts it, but I personally doubt they would be willing to arrange it unless they see that they can save some costs.

A while ago I tried to figure out how to have ability to sign in and edit WIKI but couldn't and assumed it was limited to certain folks. Admittedly, I didn't spend a lot of time following up on this. I do edit wiki's at other locations when I have something to add (vortexbox for example)

erland
2013-01-18, 10:46
A while ago I tried to figure out how to have ability to sign in and edit WIKI but couldn't and assumed it was limited to certain folks. Admittedly, I didn't spend a lot of time following up on this. I do edit wiki's at other locations when I have something to add (vortexbox for example)

Were you able to create a user and login ?
If so, what groups are your user part of if you look in the "my preferences" link and its "Member of groups" parameter at the upper right corner of the screen ?

garym
2013-01-18, 10:59
Where you able to create a user and login ?
If so, what groups are your user part of if you look in the "my preferences" link and its "Member of groups" parameter at the upper right corner of the screen ?

just looked: member of groups: Autoconfirmed users, Users

erland
2013-01-18, 11:41
just looked: member of groups: Autoconfirmed users, Users

Is the "Edit" tab hidden so you can't edit a page or when do you get error ?
Is it the same on all pages or can you edit some pages but not the top most ones ?

For some reason I'm also in the "Administrators" group, don't remember it it was added at some time but it feels like "Users" should be enough to edit pages.

garym
2013-01-19, 13:05
Is the "Edit" tab hidden so you can't edit a page or when do you get error ?
Is it the same on all pages or can you edit some pages but not the top most ones ?

For some reason I'm also in the "Administrators" group, don't remember it it was added at some time but it feels like "Users" should be enough to edit pages.

I see no EDIT tab. If I click on the page source tab, I get this message:

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Bots, Administrators, Bureaucrats, emailconfirmed, developer.

erland
2013-01-19, 13:31
I see no EDIT tab. If I click on the page source tab, I get this message:

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Bots, Administrators, Bureaucrats, emailconfirmed, developer.

Does it say "Your e-mail address was authenticated" under the e-mail options section behind the "my preferences" link ?

garym
2013-01-19, 13:35
Does it say "Your e-mail address was authenticated" under the e-mail options section behind the "my preferences" link ?

No. But I've tried several times to click the send confirmation email link on that page and never received an email. So that's probably my issue.