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seajazz
2012-12-28, 15:53
Hi all,

I 'm a little late in finding logitech is ending the squeezebox product line.

Does anyone have any idea if it is possible to ask logitech for the technical details about de productline. It might be possible to produce the hardware by another company. / Or let is be produced.
Are there among us people who might be motivated to approuch logitech together and try to accomplish that for now the hardware is produced.
As far as I know the software is open source and might be continued as a an open source project.

seajazz

erland
2012-12-28, 17:30
Does anyone have any idea if it is possible to ask logitech for the technical details about de productline. It might be possible to produce the hardware by another company. / Or let is be produced.
Are there among us people who might be motivated to approuch logitech together and try to accomplish that for now the hardware is produced.

I'm skeptical but there was a thread a month or two back when someone wanted to try to acquire the rights to do it, I haven't heard anything more about it after that.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96660-The-Future-of-Squeezebox-Product-Line-Up

I personally think it's more likely we will see Squeezebox compatible solutions through iOS/Android apps and geek hardware like Raspberry Pi/SheevaPlug and Vortexbox Appliance based solution.



As far as I know the software is open source and might be continued as a an open source project.

Most of it is open source but parts of it is not redistributable without permission from Logitech, so some parts would either require a permission from Logitech or be rewritten.

toby10
2012-12-29, 04:54
..... It might be possible to produce the hardware by another company. / Or let is be produced.....

The reasons why Logitech likely can't/won't do this are numerous. The most glaring of these issues is that any such third party hardware would only further hamper sales of their own UE branded players.

garym
2012-12-29, 07:27
and right now you can buy all the Squeezebox players one might want. Plenty of resellers selling new in box units or pick up a used unit (lots of folks buy these, never get it working right, assume it is junk then resell....).

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-12-29, 15:11
and right now you can buy all the Squeezebox players one might want. Plenty of resellers selling new in box units or pick up a used unit (lots of folks buy these, never get it working right, assume it is junk then resell....).

I know this has been asked in another thread but can your music library be played should mysqueezebox be shut down which it eventually will? I realize the music services will not work when this happens .

Isn't there some link between LMS and
Mysqueezebox which would make playing even your music library impossible ?

Triode
2012-12-29, 16:34
I know this has been asked in another thread but can your music library be played should mysqueezebox be shut down which it eventually will? I realize the music services will not work when this happens .

Isn't there some link between LMS and
Mysqueezebox which would make playing even your music library impossible ?

As long as you have a local server you can play you local music library with LMS without MySqueezebox.com. It used to work before MySqueezebox.com was created and will continue - the exception being menus such as the My Apps menu which are created via MySqueezebox.com.

garym
2012-12-29, 17:08
I know this has been asked in another thread but can your music library be played should mysqueezebox be shut down which it eventually will? I realize the music services will not work when this happens .

Isn't there some link between LMS and
Mysqueezebox which would make playing even your music library impossible ?

If you install LMS on a local PC or NAS, you can play your own music, listen to internet radio, etc. even without mysb.com. You can't access most services (as they require mysb.com at least in the background). So you'd lose Pandora, SirriusXM, MOG, etc. Although it turns out that the triode Spotify app would work on your local LMS without mysb.com. But yes, bottom line you can always play your own music.

aubuti
2012-12-29, 21:30
Isn't there some link between LMS and
Mysqueezebox which would make playing even your music library impossible ?
In a word, no. Try disconnecting your router from the internet and then playing your library. Works fine. A couple windstorms in 2012 that knocked out my ISP have confirmed that for me.

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-12-30, 06:56
In a word, no. Try disconnecting your router from the internet and then playing your library. Works fine. A couple windstorms in 2012 that knocked out my ISP have confirmed that for me.

Well then if someone in the community created plugins like Tiode's Spotify plugin for MOG,Tunein Radio , etc . the squeezebox
product line would lose no functionality whatsoever when mysqueezebox is shuttered and knowing the community folks here would work alot better .

Julf
2012-12-30, 08:25
Well then if someone in the community created plugins like Tiode's Spotify plugin for MOG,Tunein Radio , etc . the squeezebox
product line would lose no functionality whatsoever when mysqueezebox is shuttered and knowing the community folks here would work alot better .

I don't think it is a technical issue, but rather a business arrangement / licensing issue with MOG etc, to allow the server access to the API.

garym
2012-12-30, 08:31
I don't think it is a technical issue, but rather a business arrangement / licensing issue with MOG etc, to allow the server access to the API.

exactly. and same issue with siriusXM, pandora, etc.

toby10
2012-12-31, 04:29
Well then if someone in the community created plugins like Tiode's Spotify plugin for MOG,Tunein Radio , etc .....

That's a very big *if* for a discontinued product line. ;)

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-12-31, 04:48
That's a very big *if* for a discontinued product line. ;)

Another reason to ultimately move on to a new system .

toby10
2012-12-31, 04:59
Another reason to ultimately move on to a new system .

Indeed. Now to find this elusive "system" that has the SB features, functions, form factor, audio quality and reasonable price point.
*If* one comes along in the next few years, and/or when MySB stops functioning, I'll be all ears. ;)

Julf
2012-12-31, 05:13
Another reason to ultimately move on to a new system .

Only if a better one comes along.

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-12-31, 05:31
Only if a better one comes along.

There isn't one at the moment ,I agree.

I really think I will eventually go to a direct USB macmini computer connection to a high quality asynchronous USB DAC controlled by VNC from the phone .

I can get everything I want to listen to
using this setup.

garym
2012-12-31, 06:25
There isn't one at the moment ,I agree.

I really think I will eventually go to a direct USB macmini computer connection to a high quality asynchronous USB DAC controlled by VNC from the phone .

I can get everything I want to listen to
using this setup.

That is essentially what I used before squeezeboxes (except S/PDIF coax connection between computer and DAC). Didn't give me ability to synch with players in other rooms and kept the noise of the PC in the main listening room. I was controlling foobar2000 with a hack to the iphone REMPOTE app. But there there was no common interface to allow me to switch between playing my own music, or pandora or siriusXM, etc. I could do all this by switching sources on the computer itself but not from the remote.

But for playing one's own music in one location only, there are lots of choices as any very quiet computer and DAC will work.

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-12-31, 06:57
That is essentially what I used before squeezeboxes (except S/PDIF coax connection between computer and DAC). Didn't give me ability to synch with players in other rooms and kept the noise of the PC in the main listening room. I was controlling foobar2000 with a hack to the iphone REMPOTE app. But there there was no common interface to allow me to switch between playing my own music, or pandora or siriusXM, etc. I could do all this by switching sources on the computer itself but not from the remote.

But for playing one's own music in one location only, there are lots of choices as any very quiet computer and DAC will work.

My system with speakers throughout the house and outside is all on one rack
The house was pre - wired with speaker
cables per my instructions so I have music synched and playing in any room I wish .

The macmini will be in a enclosed entertainment center so no fan noise .

Using VNC , however is nothing like the ease and usability of ipeng so I will sorely miss that and will certainly be the
weakest part of the setup .

garym
2012-12-31, 07:09
My system with speakers throughout the house and outside is all on one rack
The house was pre - wired with speaker
cables per my instructions so I have music synched and playing in any room I wish .

The macmini will be in a enclosed entertainment center so no fan noise .

Using VNC , however is nothing like the ease and usability of ipeng so I will sorely miss that and will certainly be the
weakest part of the setup .

that helps for playing the same thing in different rooms. But what about when you want to play something different in the rooms?

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-12-31, 07:17
that helps for playing the same thing in different rooms. But what about when you want to play something different in the rooms?

I have multiple amps for that.
All in the same rack

garym
2012-12-31, 07:27
I have multiple amps for that.
All in the same rack

then you're all set i'd think. I have something similar. I have my main amp and next to it a small preamp/amp. The Transporter drives the main preamp/amp/speakers. A Touch drives the small amp. and this amp feeds NILES speaker selector box that feeds ceiling speakers in bathroom, kitchen, etc. Mostly used for interenet radio or siriusXM news, etc. in the morning and early evening.

I could survive too, but I might need two computer sources (as I'm not sure how I'd use the computer to play music to my main system and at the same time play something different (internet radio) to the small system. Might need something like a SONOS player for just internet radio, siriusXM to feed the small system for my wife. And I can use an old iphone for the remote for that system. I could continue using transporter and LMS for my main system for my own music. This would allow me to not have a computer in the rack. Instead, I can still feed things to main system from the vortexbox server in the back room and the Sonos player would get its stuff simply via the internet (no local music).

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-12-31, 08:50
then you're all set i'd think. I have something similar. I have my main amp and next to it a small preamp/amp. The Transporter drives the main preamp/amp/speakers. A Touch drives the small amp. and this amp feeds NILES speaker selector box that feeds ceiling speakers in bathroom, kitchen, etc. Mostly used for interenet radio or siriusXM news, etc. in the morning and early evening.

I could survive too, but I might need two computer sources (as I'm not sure how I'd use the computer to play music to my main system and at the same time play something different (internet radio) to the small system. Might need something like a SONOS player for just internet radio, siriusXM to feed the small system for my wife. And I can use an old iphone for the remote for that system. I could continue using transporter and LMS for my main system for my own music. This would allow me to not have a computer in the rack. Instead, I can still feed things to main system from the vortexbox server in the back room and the Sonos player would get its stuff simply via the internet (no local music).

Man I wish we didn't have to ultimately go through this but I listen to my library
50 percent , music services 50 percent (MOG) .
My wife is at about 90 percent music services and Internet radio .

The Squeezebox products completely spoiled me and I would never change if
the line wasn't discontinued . Ugh .

garym
2012-12-31, 08:55
Man I wish we didn't have to ultimately go through this but I listen to my library
50 percent , music services 50 percent (MOG) .
My wife is at about 90 percent music services and Internet radio .

Agree, as right now everything I do works perfectly with one integrated system. I'm about 60-70% my own music and the rest internet radio or MOG. My wife is 99.9% internet radio (news/talk NPR stuff) or services (siriusXM news/npr stations)

aubuti
2012-12-31, 12:45
I have multiple amps for that.
All in the same rack
What about multiple sources for those amps?

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-12-31, 13:11
What about multiple sources for those amps?

Good point .i have bought a used Mac mini on eBay 1gb snow leopard server cheap(350)
but your right I just can't use that for let's say three different amps to play three different
songs in different parts of the house but I do that rarely .

Maybe I buy another cheap used Mac mini or two to use as a server and use vnc to control them all when the time
comes that mysqueezebox ends . They are super small .

I would love to keep my system with Touches,Dacs and a Transporter in place. I would pay for plugins to keep my
current system as it is but that's probably wishful thinking .

garym
2012-12-31, 13:47
I would love to keep my system with Touches,Dacs and a Transporter in place. I would pay for plugins to keep my
current system as it is but that's probably wishful thinking .

I think we're probably good with current stuff for about two years before we have to start worrying about replacements. And if mysb.com goes longer, then we're good for even longer. And at my age, anything longer than two years is the LONG TERM.

JJZolx
2012-12-31, 14:04
I'm skeptical but there was a thread a month or two back when someone wanted to try to acquire the rights to do it, I haven't heard anything more about it after that.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96660-The-Future-of-Squeezebox-Product-Line-Up

I personally think it's more likely we will see Squeezebox compatible solutions through iOS/Android apps and geek hardware like Raspberry Pi/SheevaPlug and Vortexbox Appliance based solution.


Most of it is open source but parts of it is not redistributable without permission from Logitech, so some parts would either require a permission from Logitech or be rewritten.

Unless you wanted to churn out a nearly exact clone of the hardware, what would you license? When you see how many hardware companies out there today have networked audio players, you realize that the hardware is nothing special (maybe 8 or 10 years ago it was unique). I would think anyone producing a Squeezebox compatible player would want to start over from scratch and then write the necessary firmware. Using general purpose hardware can only produce a partial substitute, as things like a display and a device interface, quality analog and S/PDIF audio output, infrared remote control, are all either DIY addons or simply unavailable in those approaches.