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PAUL WILLIAMSON
2004-11-14, 04:29
>>>> j.putt (AT) verizon (DOT) net 11/14/2004 4:48:43 AM >>>
>Thanks for the responses. Ok, now I'm really interested, but I have
more
>questions. I don't know much about PC based music formats. I never
>enjoyed listening to MP3's other than to audition new music, and even

>with higher quality formats, I've always found the PC to be too noisy
for
>any serious listening, but with this system, it seems that my PC could
be
>in another room at the other end of the house from my listening area.

>Since the music is transmitted digitally and decoded at the other
side, it
>seems to mitigate the problems I had with PC playback.

Yep, that's the whole idea. The squeezebox is totally silent. Best
thing
I've ever bought. I actually buy more CDs now than I have in the last
5
years or so, just because now I can listen to any music I want where
ever I have my squeezebox. Wireless is awesome. My server is super
noisy, but extremely cool (temperature speaking) with lots of drives -

1.5 TB at last count - and that's exclusively music. If I had a
portable
device that could play FLAC, I'd get some disk space back because
I'd no longer have to store a duplicate mp3 file.

>I'm not looking forward to manually ripping all my CD's. My dream
would
>be to be able to connect a cable to my changers, hit a button, and
have
>the software rip and catolog my music, but something tells me it's not

>going to be that easy. Is there any alternative to feeding them in one

>by one?

That is one downside. At least if you have an internet connection, all

the tag data can be automatically populated. There are services that
will send you boxes to mail them your CDs, they will rip and (if
necessary)
encode them for about $1/CD in bulk.

>Also, I am pretty fussy about sound quality. I use some outboard
>Audio Alchemy gear with my changers now, that works pretty well.

You have no idea how fussy some people can be. Search the
archives. There are people with systems worth well over $100k, all the

way down to the squeezebox hooked up to some cheapo unpowered
PC speakers.

>Is anyone unhappy with the sound quality? Do external DA converters
>help? While doing a little research, I noticed that there are some
fairly
>expensive hard disk solutions available, including one from Linn which

>sells for $20,000 including dedicated storage unit and seperate DA
>converter. Of course that one is not an option for me, (I have this
>funny hang up about my CD player costing more than my car!) but I
>saw some other options selling for a couple of thousand bucks. The
>Squeezebox seems like a very budget-friendly alternative. Is it
>too good to be true? Is there a sacrifice in sound quality? Are there
>specific PC hardware upgrades that help?

Unhappy? Don't think you'll find anyone unhappy with sound.
Frustrated? Probably, because this is the place to air that sort of
thing. The items posted here will most likely not be noticed by
anyone that is not doing detailed double-blind tests or not thoroughly

familiar with a piece of music to recognize when the left and right
channels are switched. Linn is expensive anyway. Take the cash you'd

spend on that foolishness and buy a nice server with tons of disk
space.
And then go buy an HDTV or a really nice DAC. Then put the other
$10,000 in the bank.

Good luck. Go out and buy one. You'll be happy.

Paul

Tahir
2004-11-14, 05:01
The Rio Karma plays flac

----- Original Message -----
From: "PAUL WILLIAMSON" <pwilliamson (AT) mandtbank (DOT) com>
To: <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:29 AM
Subject: [slim] Cd conversion


> >>>> j.putt (AT) verizon (DOT) net 11/14/2004 4:48:43 AM >>>
> >Thanks for the responses. Ok, now I'm really interested, but I have
> more
> >questions. I don't know much about PC based music formats. I never
> >enjoyed listening to MP3's other than to audition new music, and even
>
> >with higher quality formats, I've always found the PC to be too noisy
> for
> >any serious listening, but with this system, it seems that my PC could
> be
> >in another room at the other end of the house from my listening area.
>
> >Since the music is transmitted digitally and decoded at the other
> side, it
> >seems to mitigate the problems I had with PC playback.
>
> Yep, that's the whole idea. The squeezebox is totally silent. Best
> thing
> I've ever bought. I actually buy more CDs now than I have in the last
> 5
> years or so, just because now I can listen to any music I want where
> ever I have my squeezebox. Wireless is awesome. My server is super
> noisy, but extremely cool (temperature speaking) with lots of drives -
>
> 1.5 TB at last count - and that's exclusively music. If I had a
> portable
> device that could play FLAC, I'd get some disk space back because
> I'd no longer have to store a duplicate mp3 file.
>
> >I'm not looking forward to manually ripping all my CD's. My dream
> would
> >be to be able to connect a cable to my changers, hit a button, and
> have
> >the software rip and catolog my music, but something tells me it's not
>
> >going to be that easy. Is there any alternative to feeding them in one
>
> >by one?
>
> That is one downside. At least if you have an internet connection, all
>
> the tag data can be automatically populated. There are services that
> will send you boxes to mail them your CDs, they will rip and (if
> necessary)
> encode them for about $1/CD in bulk.
>
> >Also, I am pretty fussy about sound quality. I use some outboard
> >Audio Alchemy gear with my changers now, that works pretty well.
>
> You have no idea how fussy some people can be. Search the
> archives. There are people with systems worth well over $100k, all the
>
> way down to the squeezebox hooked up to some cheapo unpowered
> PC speakers.
>
> >Is anyone unhappy with the sound quality? Do external DA converters
> >help? While doing a little research, I noticed that there are some
> fairly
> >expensive hard disk solutions available, including one from Linn which
>
> >sells for $20,000 including dedicated storage unit and seperate DA
> >converter. Of course that one is not an option for me, (I have this
> >funny hang up about my CD player costing more than my car!) but I
> >saw some other options selling for a couple of thousand bucks. The
> >Squeezebox seems like a very budget-friendly alternative. Is it
> >too good to be true? Is there a sacrifice in sound quality? Are there
> >specific PC hardware upgrades that help?
>
> Unhappy? Don't think you'll find anyone unhappy with sound.
> Frustrated? Probably, because this is the place to air that sort of
> thing. The items posted here will most likely not be noticed by
> anyone that is not doing detailed double-blind tests or not thoroughly
>
> familiar with a piece of music to recognize when the left and right
> channels are switched. Linn is expensive anyway. Take the cash you'd
>
> spend on that foolishness and buy a nice server with tons of disk
> space.
> And then go buy an HDTV or a really nice DAC. Then put the other
> $10,000 in the bank.
>
> Good luck. Go out and buy one. You'll be happy.
>
> Paul
>
>

Young J. Putt
2004-11-14, 23:00
Thanks again to everyone who replied. You guys are VERY helpful.
>
> 1.5 TB at last count - and that's exclusively music. If I had a
> portable
> device that could play FLAC, I'd get some disk space back because
> I'd no longer have to store a duplicate mp3 file.
>
What sort of drive configuration are you using? Do you have a backup? (I'd
hate to have a drive fail, and have to reload all that music!)

Is your server dedicated to digital music?

There are services that
> will send you boxes to mail them your CDs, they will rip and (if
> necessary)
> encode them for about $1/CD in bulk.

Might be worth it!

> Take the cash you'd
> spend on that foolishness and buy a nice server with tons of disk
> space.
> And then go buy an HDTV or a really nice DAC. Then put the other
> $10,000 in the bank.

I wish I had that cash! My DAC and jitter filter were bought second hand on
Ebay, and I built my tube amps in my basement from kits! The end result
sound pretty darn good, though!


> Good luck. Go out and buy one. You'll be happy.

I'm thinking seriously about it. Thanks again!

Robin Bowes
2004-11-15, 14:20
Young J. Putt wrote:
>
> What sort of drive configuration are you using? Do you have a backup? (I'd
> hate to have a drive fail, and have to reload all that music!)

I keep my music on a RAID5 array made up of 6 x 250GB Maxtor SATA disks
configured with one hot spare, i.e. I have 997.96 GB of storage
available. With RAID5, if one drive dies you don't lose the array - it
just runs as degraded until you replace the drive and the array
resyncronises. However, if you lose *another* drive before you replace
the bad one then you potentially lose all the data on the array. I
decided not to take the risk.

One small piece of advice - buy the coolest running drives you can. You
won't need the additional speed of 7,200 rpm over 5,400 rpm to serve up
music.

Also, if you're going to load all the drives in a "normal" tower case
make sure your power supply is up to the job. I had a Macron MPT-400P
and found my server shutdown randomly every 1-5 days -I got an OCZ 520W
PSU and have not had problems since.

>
> Is your server dedicated to digital music?

No. It also does my mail and website. It's a dual 1GHz P3 with 1.5GB
RAM. It barely breaks sweat most of the time.

R.
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http://robinbowes.com