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andy_c
2012-08-29, 18:39
I'm curious about this, as it isn't obvious on the surface what functionality is being provided by mysqueezebox.com behind the scenes. I run my touch from LMS with a laptop controlling the web interface. I browse shoutcast.com a lot. Do the features under the Internet Radio node in the LMS interface (Staff Picks, Local, Music, Talk, etc.) depend on mysqueezebox.com? How about setting up a new Touch, if, say, I were to get a spare? I remember having to enter a mysqueezebox.com user name and password, but I don't know if this is strictly necessary.

toby10
2012-08-30, 02:43
LMS does not need MySB.com to play basic URL's, like those saved or input into your LMS Favorites. But you will lose menu navigation of everything within Internet Radio and My Apps absent MySB.com. The other issue is subscription services handled by MySB.com (account login and management).

You can emulate what LMS life will be like without MySB.com by simply removing your MySB.com login info (or enter bogus login info) within LMS > MySB.com.

SamS
2012-08-30, 04:26
Curious as to this, myself.

I'm not being all 'chicken little' here. But if mysb.com shuts down in 2 years, will my Touch and Radios still work at all after a reboot?

If I need to grab a spare player, should it be a Classic, or a Touch?

I'm pretty pissed about this development.... I use the Live365 plugin every single day.

toby10
2012-08-30, 04:48
SB players will continue to function as they do now if using LMS server with your local music.

alfista
2012-08-30, 05:44
Considering all the clever plugins availabe (which is one of the things that makes the SB system so impressive) I wouldn't be all that surprised to see someone coming up with a plugin or somesuch that made at least some online services available to SB users even after MySB is dropped, perhaps by mimicking a "new Radio" towards the new backend. Someone used the term "proxy" and that sums it up pretty good I think.

SamS
2012-08-30, 05:50
SB players will continue to function as they do now if using LMS server with your local music.

How are you going to set up a Touch or Radio? One of the first steps is to connect to mysb.com.

toby10
2012-08-30, 06:10
How are you going to set up a Touch or Radio? One of the first steps is to connect to mysb.com.

By the time MySB.com is actually gone there will be no Touch or SB Radio players to buy to even need setting up. ;)

But should this be needed....
- Touch can be updated via USB/SD absent any server.
- I believe both Touch & Radio can be setup via a local LMS server by getting them to their Home menu then selecting My Music, connect to LMS, firmware is updated

SamS
2012-08-30, 06:12
By the time MySB.com is actually gone there will be no Touch or SB Radio players to buy to even need setting up. ;)

But should this be needed....
- Touch can be updated via USB/SD absent any server.
- I believe both Touch & Radio can be setup via a local LMS server by getting them to their Home menu then selecting My Music, connect to LMS, firmware is updated

I see.

Maybe I need to buy a spare Touch/Radio/Transporter. Ouch!

RonM
2012-08-30, 07:46
Yesterday when all this was breaking news, I was in the midst of browsing TigerDirect for a suitable UPS for a particular purpose. I noticed they had the Touch available for a reasonable price, and when I ordered my UPS I ordered a Touch. It will sit in a box along with my OTHER spare Touch, although I may set both of them up temporarily in order to update firmware.

R.

05mattjax
2012-08-30, 08:15
I only have a few questions:

If/when mysqueezebox.com goes offline can I still listen to Internet radio via LMS?

I assume LMS will last as long as you want it to (forever if you like) and Logitech can't shut this down as it's downloaded software. There will just be no further support (updates) for LMS. Correct?

DO I NEED TO TELL MY PLAYERS NOT TO AUTOMATICALLY UPDATE FIRMWARE AS I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET THE NEW UE UPDATE?

Last point is crucial for continued LMS compatibility I feel.

Matt

toby10
2012-08-30, 08:26
Yes, you can use direct stream URL's in LMS absent MySB.com. The problem would be subscription services.

No, SB hardware will not just "update to UE" some day. The only player that is even capable of being updated to UE is the SB Radio, and I'd guess that requires downloading the new UE server and connecting the Radio to that new UE server, and might even be more involved than that, I dunno.

adamdea
2012-08-30, 08:36
By the time MySB.com is actually gone there will be no Touch or SB Radio players to buy to even need setting up. ;)

But should this be needed....
- Touch can be updated via USB/SD absent any server.
- I believe both Touch & Radio can be setup via a local LMS server by getting them to their Home menu then selecting My Music, connect to LMS, firmware is updated

does this apply to the initial setup as well as the upgrading firmware?

05mattjax
2012-08-30, 08:38
Yes, you can use direct stream URL's in LMS absent MySB.com. The problem would be subscription services.

No, SB hardware will not just "update to UE" some day. The only player that is even capable of being updated to UE is the SB Radio, and I'd guess that requires downloading the new UE server and connecting the Radio to that new UE server, and might even be more involved than that, I dunno.

And the LMS question please. Will LMS continue forever?

toby10
2012-08-30, 08:49
And the LMS question please. Will LMS continue forever?

Yes, in it's current form, as long as you keep the original LMS download on your computer and you don't use LMS beyond it's current OS support.
Will LMS development, updates, bug fixes continue forever? Of course not.

I still use some VHS tapes on occasion, but I'm not expecting any firmware updates for that VHS player. ;)

toby10
2012-08-30, 08:52
does this apply to the initial setup as well as the upgrading firmware?

I believe so. What I don't know is whether the firmwares obtained via LMS are actually *included* in LMS.
IOW: LMS might be just pointing that player to it's appropriate firmware located on a Logitech server online, possibly even MySB.com.

garym
2012-08-30, 09:17
I believe so. What I don't know is whether the firmwares obtained via LMS are actually *included* in LMS.
IOW: LMS might be just pointing that player to it's appropriate firmware located on a Logitech server online, possibly even MySB.com.

I read somewhere that LMS includes the firmware for older players (transporter, SB3, boom) but NOT for touch and radio.

travelfotografer
2012-08-30, 09:23
I read somewhere that LMS includes the firmware for older players (transporter, SB3, boom) but NOT for touch and radio.

I suspect so too. I have both my touch and Radio connected to my local LMS, and I have both Touch and Radio updating their firmwares some time after I installed new releases of LMS. So it appears that Touch and Radio get their firmware files from some other server out there.

jwagner010
2012-08-30, 09:43
I suspect so too. I have both my touch and Radio connected to my local LMS, and I have both Touch and Radio updating their firmwares some time after I installed new releases of LMS. So it appears that Touch and Radio get their firmware files from some other server out there.

Add the controller to that as well. Duet Receiver appears to get firmware from LMS but Duet Controller appears to get it from a server out there !!!!!!

JJZolx
2012-08-30, 10:46
I browse shoutcast.com a lot. Do the features under the Internet Radio node in the LMS interface (Staff Picks, Local, Music, Talk, etc.) depend on mysqueezebox.com?

That functionality could be returned in a third party plugin. Until mysb.com disappears, there's no incentive for anyone to develop such a plugin.


How about setting up a new Touch, if, say, I were to get a spare? I remember having to enter a mysqueezebox.com user name and password, but I don't know if this is strictly necessary.

It's not obvious, but mysb.com registration can be bypassed by swiping the screen (L-R, IIRC) at that point in the setup.

andy_c
2012-08-30, 10:57
It's not obvious, but mysb.com registration can be bypassed by swiping the screen (L-R, IIRC) at that point in the setup.

Thanks! I just ordered a spare Touch, so that trick may come in handy at some time in the future.

Mnyb
2012-08-31, 01:29
I read somewhere that LMS includes the firmware for older players (transporter, SB3, boom) but NOT for touch and radio.

I download copies here .

http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/

Touch is called Fab4 in the firmware files and Radio is called Baby

toby10
2012-08-31, 02:46
....... and Radio is called Baby

Seems they threw the baby out with the bath water. :(

Benefactor
2012-09-01, 13:40
I download copies here .

http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/

Touch is called Fab4 in the firmware files and Radio is called Baby

Any guess what the difference between fab4.bin, and fab4x.x.x rxxxx.bin is?

JJZolx
2012-09-01, 13:46
Any guess what the difference between fab4.bin, and fab4x.x.x rxxxx.bin is?

They should be the same.

Benefactor
2012-09-01, 13:51
They should be the same.

So you would want the file version that is in the folder that matches the version of LMS that you are currently running on your host computer?

(sorry if that is a dumb and/or overly obvious question)

JJZolx
2012-09-01, 13:55
So you would want the file version that is in the folder that matches the version of LMS that you are currently running on your host computer?

Yes.

But doesn't your server have access to the internet? If so, it should download the correct firmware files and you should be automatically prompted on the Touch to begin the upgrade.

Benefactor
2012-09-01, 14:00
Yes.

But doesn't your server have access to the internet? If so, it should download the correct firmware files and you should be automatically prompted on the Touch to begin the upgrade.

I'm just being OCD, and grabbing whatever files I think might be useful to have archives of later on.

I have two new Touches I just picked up in the last few days, I haven't plugged them in yet - but I intend to do so shortly.

pallfreeman
2012-09-01, 15:34
I'm just being OCD, and grabbing whatever files I think might be useful to have archives of later on.


:)


#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w

# SliMP3 Server Copyright (C) 2001 Sean Adams, Slim Devices Inc.

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-09-01, 15:45
I would not trust Logitech to do anything more then they think is legally required with mysqueezebox.

That means the warranty of the last large volume sold of Squeezeboxes will determine how long mysqueezebox
will last . A year or two is my guess.

Since my office only uses mysqueezebox as we hae no computers only tablets,we have already bought a Sonos
Connect attached to a Benchmark Dac that only I control .LOL .I'm the owner,after all but I do take requests.

I have complete confidence that Sonos will keep their system functioning and up to date.

What a coup for Sonos this is gonna be.

I may add a apple Time Capsule down the road with my entire ripped library as well

TheLastMan
2012-09-01, 16:12
What a coup for Sonos this is gonna be.

Not really, I doubt Sonos have considered SB to be a much of a threat since the Touch was released. Sonos have pretty much had the field to themselves. The reviews for the Touch were stellar over here, but I have never known such a good product have so little marketing.

Go into any Currys or decent department store and you will see a dedicated Sonos display. You never saw a SB Touch and the odd branch may have had the Radio - randomly stuck in amongst the iPod docks - if you were lucky. I bought all my kit mail order. Only a few independent retailers ever stocked the full range.

What were Logitech thinking? Invest all that money in a brand and then let it waste away? Appalling management. Whoever was responsible for that should be shot - or sacked at the very least.

jhonsberger@msn.com
2012-09-01, 16:25
Not really, I doubt Sonos have considered SB to be a much of a threat since the Touch was released. Sonos have pretty much had the field to themselves. The reviews for the Touch were stellar over here, but I have never known such a good product have so little marketing.

Go into any Currys or decent department store and you will see a dedicated Sonos display. You never saw a SB Touch and the odd branch may have had the Radio - randomly stuck in amongst the iPod docks - if you were lucky. I bought all my kit mail order. Only a few independent retailers ever stocked the full range.

What were Logitech thinking? Invest all that money in a brand and then let it waste away? Appalling management. Whoever was responsible for that should be shot - or sacked at the very least.

i'm in the states so I supect Currys is in Europe or Australia but there has been absolutely no marketing here either.None.

But yes there are alot of Sonos displays that I have seen.

Mnyb
2012-09-01, 22:33
I'm just being OCD, and grabbing whatever files I think might be useful to have archives of later on.

I have two new Touches I just picked up in the last few days, I haven't plugged them in yet - but I intend to do so shortly.

Yea if you used try a lot beta version it is good to have older versions if something goes wrong, that's mainly why I accumulated a latge collection of firmware versions and server version .
You should pick a bunch of server versions to , for the OCD .

sansui
2012-09-02, 06:08
Without mysqueezebox.com I assume that the Logitech Squeezebox controller for Android won't work.
When I open the application, the first requested step is to login to mysqueezebox.com!

I hope that at least Squeeze Commander will work without a mysqueezebox.com account...

pippin
2012-09-02, 14:52
I believe almost all 3rd party Apps (except that one that was only a wrapper around the MySB web interface) will work without MySB.
iPeng, SqueezeCommander, SqueezePad and OrangeSqueeze definitely do.

Oh, and the Logi App will not matter until then since it already doesn't work with Android 4.1 at all and it doesn't really look like it's getting an update, doesn't it?

andynormancx
2012-09-02, 16:16
Go into any Currys or decent department store and you will see a dedicated Sonos display. You never saw a SB Touch and the odd branch may have had the Radio - randomly stuck in amongst the iPod docks - if you were lucky. I bought all my kit mail order. Only a few independent retailers ever stocked the full range.


At one point every PCWorld that I went into had Touches and Radios on display, before you saw Sonos in the same places (at the same time John Lewis also had both the Touch and Radio in display). But unfortunately they weren't displayed well, like the rest of the Internet enabled devices in most shops they didn't even have a wifi connection setup.

asplundj
2012-09-03, 01:17
Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able to use services like WiMP or spotify?

Grumpy Bob
2012-09-03, 01:25
Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able to use services like WiMP or spotify?

Presumably you could test this by blocking mysqueezebox.com at your router... (I'm assuming you have a Touch!).

Robert

mherger
2012-09-03, 01:25
> Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able
> to use services like WiMP or spotify?

No, all services still depend on mysb.com

--

Michael

TheLastMan
2012-09-03, 01:46
> Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able
> to use services like WiMP or spotify?

No, all services still depend on mysb.com

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Michael

Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in, but the official "app" would no longer be available.
The only other service available via a plug-in rather than an official app (as far as I am aware) is BBC iPlayer, also created by Triode.

I don't see WiMP on the list of apps in the UK. I presume it is only available regionally to SE, DK, NO and DE?

firedog
2012-09-03, 01:51
At the slimdevices update page, what are the files that end in .sha suffix?

mherger
2012-09-03, 01:59
> Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in,
> but the official "app" would no longer be available.

He was asking about TinyLMS (embedded on SB Touch). In this case Triode's
plugin isn't an option.

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Michael

mherger
2012-09-03, 02:00
> At the slimdevices update page, what are the files that end in .sha
> suffix?

It's a checksum file. It allows you to verify the validity of the file you
download. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1

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Michael

Squeezemenicely
2012-09-03, 02:06
I believe almost all 3rd party Apps (except that one that was only a wrapper around the MySB web interface) will work without MySB.

Well that sounds comforting, then we can have everything running till our hardware dies.
Once it does, we can get ithingies running iPeng etc.

TheLastMan
2012-09-03, 02:37
> Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in,
> but the official "app" would no longer be available.

He was asking about TinyLMS (embedded on SB Touch). In this case Triode's
plugin isn't an option.

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Michael

Ah, I understand now, thanks.

Related question; will UE still scan and index your music collection or will it be more like browsing your "Music Folder" under LMS?
If it does index, will you be able to set automatic indexing according to a chosen time scale?

mherger
2012-09-03, 03:40
> Related question; will UE still scan and index your music collection or
> will it be more like browsing your "Music Folder" under LMS?

It's the same index based collection.

> If it does index, will you be able to set automatic indexing according
> to a chosen time scale?

This option is no longer part of ueml.

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Michael

nervoteso
2012-09-03, 06:40
Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in, but the official "app" would no longer be available.
The only other service available via a plug-in rather than an official app (as far as I am aware) is BBC iPlayer, also created by Triode.

I don't see WiMP on the list of apps in the UK. I presume it is only available regionally to SE, DK, NO and DE?

i often listen to deezer, when mysqueezebox will be no more, how could i do? maybe a new deezer plugin like the spotify one?

TheLastMan
2012-09-03, 10:55
i often listen to deezer, when mysqueezebox will be no more, how could i do? maybe a new deezer plugin like the spotify one?
The "plug-in" replacement for streaming apps and internet radio would be the preferred solution, provided somebody has the desire and expertise to do the work.

Personally I doubt this will happen. Most people with the expertise could probably command high financial rewards for doing that kind of work, and I doubt they would be prepared to put too much time in for free. This is serious stuff, a lot more than hobby computing.

I would be very happy to be proved wrong though!

Mnyb
2012-09-11, 10:27
The "plug-in" replacement for streaming apps and internet radio would be the preferred solution, provided somebody has the desire and expertise to do the work.

Personally I doubt this will happen. Most people with the expertise could probably command high financial rewards for doing that kind of work, and I doubt they would be prepared to put too much time in for free. This is serious stuff, a lot more than hobby computing.

I would be very happy to be proved wrong though!

A pro with a hobby then :) mherger whacked together the bandcamp plugin in mere days as a private side project amazing !
This is one of my most used plugins second only to triodes spotify .

Bandcamp is not the most complicated of plugins, but it does the basics very well .

bpa
2012-09-11, 12:26
Most people with the expertise could probably command high financial rewards for doing that kind of work, and I doubt they would be prepared to put too much time in for free.

AFAICT plugins are developed by people primarily for themselves and not for reward. Then the plugin may be released to other users if there is no likelihood of legal repercussion and /or developer is willing to suppoirt users. I reckon supporting user takes way way more time than devleopment time (and can be more frustrating).

Plugins to interface to commercial services such as Deezer could be fraught with legal issues (e.g. possibility of copying) and using APIs may require legal undertakings. I think the possibility of these issues would deter developers.

jo-wie
2012-09-11, 23:43
AFAICT plugins are developed by people primarily for themselves and not for reward.

You remember the Youtube plugin :)

Pale Blue Ego
2012-09-22, 15:06
I currently have 5 Slimdevices players, the newest being the SB3. I would like to future-proof my system with another hardware player or 2. Would it be best to just stick with the SB3? That way, I could possibly use much earlier and simpler versions of the server software, maybe even pre-mysqueezebox.com? Actually, it would be useful to know what the earliest server version is to support each hardware platform. For instance, the SB3 can use 5.41, but I assume the Touch can't. Does anyone have this info, which version is required for the SB3 and which version for the Touch?

JJZolx
2012-09-22, 15:31
I currently have 5 Slimdevices players, the newest being the SB3. I would like to future-proof my system with another hardware player or 2. Would it be best to just stick with the SB3? That way, I could possibly use much earlier and simpler versions of the server software, maybe even pre-mysqueezebox.com?

I can't see many advantages to this. Unless maybe you specifically have problems with the later software due library tagging issues that prevent it from being scanned successfully.

erland
2012-09-22, 16:24
I currently have 5 Slimdevices players, the newest being the SB3. I would like to future-proof my system with another hardware player or 2. Would it be best to just stick with the SB3? That way, I could possibly use much earlier and simpler versions of the server software, maybe even pre-mysqueezebox.com?

I guess it depends if you like to be stuck in the past or if you like to be able to move on to something new in the future, due to the closed source firmware in Boom/Classic/Transporter I think they are less likely to work with something new in the future.



Actually, it would be useful to know what the earliest server version is to support each hardware platform. For instance, the SB3 can use 5.41, but I assume the Touch can't. Does anyone have this info, which version is required for the SB3 and which version for the Touch?

Look at the bottom row in the hardware comparison table on the Wiki:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_comparison

Pale Blue Ego
2012-09-22, 17:21
Thanks, Erland. I'm currently running 7.5.2, so I already have support for a Touch. The Touch would probably be the best bet, since I do have a small but growing collection of 24-bit music and much of it greater than 48kHz sampling rate.

foehammer
2012-09-22, 20:49
Will the new UE smartradio be able to have all the same plugins? I use scannerbox alot ,...http://www.scannerbox.us/

erland
2012-09-22, 23:39
Will the new UE smartradio be able to have all the same plugins? I use scannerbox alot ,...http://www.scannerbox.us/

At the moment UE Smart Radio doesn't support third party plugins/applets at all.

In theory, applets like scannerbox can probably work, but at the moment you need to enable a development menu and install them manually through ssh and the question is if the developer of scannerbox want to support UE Smart Radio under these conditions.