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Tore Johnsson
2004-11-02, 09:09
Is it possible to get Live365 for SPDIF in future?

Regards
Tore


-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Tore Johnsson [mailto:tore (AT) torejohnsson (DOT) se]
Skickat: den 2 november 2004 08:38
Till: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
Ämne: SV: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
PreferredSongInformation

Thanks Jim

At last
Some kind of solution.
I use SPDIF output and a DAC.

If I want to use this one, is there any possibility to change some settings
in Slimserver.

Regards
Tore

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] För Jim
Skickat: den 2 november 2004 01:53
Till: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
Ämne: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
PreferredSongInformation

Tore Johnsson wrote:
> I am a bit confused.
> I have the normal login to Live 365 with username and password which I
have
> set in Server Settings - Plugins.
> I can see stations I SB but get no sound.

Are you using the digital or analog output from the Squeezebox? There's
a known issue with Live365 streams decoding to a bitrate that's
incompatible with S/PDIF. The internal DAC works fine, so analog output
is more compatible.

> I am wondering if I also should have VIP account for getting Live365 to
> function.

I would hold off getting a VIP account at least until you can listen to
a free stream.

> Since I am living in Sweden could this cause any problem to get Live365?

It shouldn't.

Cheers,
Jim

seanadams
2004-11-02, 10:10
Tore,

The easiest solution for now is if you have a receiver that can
auto-detect s/pdif for a given input. This would allow you to connect
both the s/pdif and analog cables. The receiver will use s/pdif when
present, and fall back to analog only when s/pdif is not available. I
think Sony receivers do this.

Yes it should also be possible to convert the sample rate in the
server, so that it is s/pdif compliant....

Sean

On Nov 2, 2004, at 8:09 AM, Tore Johnsson wrote:

>
> Is it possible to get Live365 for SPDIF in future?
>
> Regards
> Tore
>
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Tore Johnsson [mailto:tore (AT) torejohnsson (DOT) se]
> Skickat: den 2 november 2004 08:38
> Till: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
> Ämne: SV: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
> PreferredSongInformation
>
> Thanks Jim
>
> At last
> Some kind of solution.
> I use SPDIF output and a DAC.
>
> If I want to use this one, is there any possibility to change some
> settings
> in Slimserver.
>
> Regards
> Tore
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] För Jim
> Skickat: den 2 november 2004 01:53
> Till: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> Ämne: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
> PreferredSongInformation
>
> Tore Johnsson wrote:
>> I am a bit confused.
>> I have the normal login to Live 365 with username and password which I
> have
>> set in Server Settings - Plugins.
>> I can see stations I SB but get no sound.
>
> Are you using the digital or analog output from the Squeezebox? There's
> a known issue with Live365 streams decoding to a bitrate that's
> incompatible with S/PDIF. The internal DAC works fine, so analog output
> is more compatible.
>
>> I am wondering if I also should have VIP account for getting Live365
>> to
>> function.
>
> I would hold off getting a VIP account at least until you can listen to
> a free stream.
>
>> Since I am living in Sweden could this cause any problem to get
>> Live365?
>
> It shouldn't.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
>

Jim
2004-11-02, 13:29
Tore Johnsson wrote:
> Is it possible to get Live365 for SPDIF in future?

It sort of depends... this isn't strictly a Squeezebox/SlimServer
problem, but that doesn't mean that we can't work around it.

Live365 does have some streams that are encoded at a sample rate that's
commonly implemented in S/PDIF hardware. The remaining streams are
hard-encoded to that sample rate, so most digital inputs don't understand.

Slimdevices has talked to Live365 about this, and the feedback that was
shared with me was that Live365 didn't feel they could adapt their
streams to support s/PDIF sample rates.

There's disucssion about dynamically resampling Live365 and similar
streams via LAME to support S/PDIF sample rates. This sounds a lot
easier than it is, unfortunately. I've been experimenting and getting
mixed results at best...

Cheers,
Jim


> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Tore Johnsson [mailto:tore (AT) torejohnsson (DOT) se]
> Skickat: den 2 november 2004 08:38
> Till: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
> Ämne: SV: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
> PreferredSongInformation
>
> Thanks Jim
>
> At last
> Some kind of solution.
> I use SPDIF output and a DAC.
>
> If I want to use this one, is there any possibility to change some settings
> in Slimserver.
>
> Regards
> Tore
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] För Jim
> Skickat: den 2 november 2004 01:53
> Till: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> Ämne: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
> PreferredSongInformation
>
> Tore Johnsson wrote:
>
>>I am a bit confused.
>>I have the normal login to Live 365 with username and password which I
>
> have
>
>>set in Server Settings - Plugins.
>>I can see stations I SB but get no sound.
>
>
> Are you using the digital or analog output from the Squeezebox? There's
> a known issue with Live365 streams decoding to a bitrate that's
> incompatible with S/PDIF. The internal DAC works fine, so analog output
> is more compatible.
>
>
>>I am wondering if I also should have VIP account for getting Live365 to
>>function.
>
>
> I would hold off getting a VIP account at least until you can listen to
> a free stream.
>
>
>>Since I am living in Sweden could this cause any problem to get Live365?
>
>
> It shouldn't.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
>

Jim
2004-11-02, 17:31
Can I assume you can connect to Live365.com and listen to a station via
your web browser?

Having your PC in a "DMZ" shouldn't matter, as all the connections are
initiated from your side. I don't know anything about the D713P, but it
seems to me that if it were incompatible somehow you'd have more
noticable problems overall. I personally use a Zywall 10W without issues.

Who's your ISP?

I'm in the US, Denver area to be specific.

Cheers,
Jim


Roger Mitchell wrote:
> Sorry to drop one in here Jim, but did you get any more thoughts on what
> could be preventing me from connecting to Live365? I have now installed slim
> server on my wireless laptop as well and that wont connect either - same
> symptoms. The common denominator is my router which is a dlink d713p. I have
> even tried to set up a DMZ for one of my PC's but that didn't help at all
> either. I'm pretty keen to get connected and take advantage of this great
> plugin. The only thing I can tell you is that error log shown "Error 6". Any
> further ideas I could try??
>
> Problem is, I'm in the UK, where are you? I suspect that we keep missing
> each other because of the time difference?
>
> Best regards
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: 02 November 2004 20:29
> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> Subject: TO JIM [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using
> Live365PreferredSongInformation
>
> Tore Johnsson wrote:
>
>>Is it possible to get Live365 for SPDIF in future?
>
>
> It sort of depends... this isn't strictly a Squeezebox/SlimServer problem,
> but that doesn't mean that we can't work around it.
>
> Live365 does have some streams that are encoded at a sample rate that's
> commonly implemented in S/PDIF hardware. The remaining streams are
> hard-encoded to that sample rate, so most digital inputs don't understand.
>
> Slimdevices has talked to Live365 about this, and the feedback that was
> shared with me was that Live365 didn't feel they could adapt their streams
> to support s/PDIF sample rates.
>
> There's disucssion about dynamically resampling Live365 and similar streams
> via LAME to support S/PDIF sample rates. This sounds a lot easier than it
> is, unfortunately. I've been experimenting and getting mixed results at
> best...
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
>
>
>>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>>Från: Tore Johnsson [mailto:tore (AT) torejohnsson (DOT) se]
>>Skickat: den 2 november 2004 08:38
>>Till: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
>>Ämne: SV: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
>>PreferredSongInformation
>>
>>Thanks Jim
>>
>>At last
>>Some kind of solution.
>>I use SPDIF output and a DAC.
>>
>>If I want to use this one, is there any possibility to change some
>>settings in Slimserver.
>>
>>Regards
>>Tore
>>
>>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>>Från: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] För Jim
>>Skickat: den 2 november 2004 01:53
>>Till: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>Ämne: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
>>PreferredSongInformation
>>
>>Tore Johnsson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am a bit confused.
>>>I have the normal login to Live 365 with username and password which I
>>
>>have
>>
>>
>>>set in Server Settings - Plugins.
>>>I can see stations I SB but get no sound.
>>
>>
>>Are you using the digital or analog output from the Squeezebox?
>>There's a known issue with Live365 streams decoding to a bitrate
>>that's incompatible with S/PDIF. The internal DAC works fine, so
>>analog output is more compatible.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am wondering if I also should have VIP account for getting Live365
>>>to function.
>>
>>
>>I would hold off getting a VIP account at least until you can listen
>>to a free stream.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Since I am living in Sweden could this cause any problem to get Live365?
>>
>>
>>It shouldn't.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> Jim
>>
>>

Ken Stuart
2004-11-02, 17:56
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:10:45 -0800, Sean Adams <sadams (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com>
wrote:

>The easiest solution for now is if you have a receiver that can
>auto-detect s/pdif for a given input. This would allow you to connect
>both the s/pdif and analog cables. The receiver will use s/pdif when
>present, and fall back to analog only when s/pdif is not available. I
>think Sony receivers do this.

Onkyo receivers do this.


--
Cheers,

Ken

Jim
2004-11-02, 21:47
I wonder if they were using bandwidth limiting on a wireless link.
I'm very happy with both analog and digital sound qualities. Perfect for
putting music in a room when I'm entertaining or whatnot.

It's not audiophile quality by any means when it's playing MP3s, but *duh*.

J


The1FastCar wrote:
> Seems the TechTV guys did not like the audio quality, but the liked
> everything else??? Maybe they got a bad unit? I Love mine!
>
> http://www.g4techtv.com/screensavers/features/50198/Review_Network_Music_Pla
> yers.html
>
>
> "Recommendation: Feature for feature, the Squeezebox holds its own in this
> roundup. Tech-savvy users will appreciate the open source SlimServer that
> gets regular feature updates (every couple months it seems). Audiophiles
> will find nothing but disappointment with the audio quality."

Jim
2004-11-03, 10:55
This is a really long shot, but can you send me your WAN IP address?

Jim


Roger Mitchell wrote:
> Jim, I can listen to Live365 through my browser with no problems. Just cant
> connect through slimserver at all! I don't think its anything to do with the
> router either but desperation has now set in as well as frustration so I'll
> try anything! My ISP is ntl:world at 1 meg, for what it's worth. It's 8.10am
> here in the UK, so I guess you're in the land of nod now. Perhaps I'll catch
> up with you when I get home from work.
>
> Cheers
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: 03 November 2004 00:31
> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> Subject: TO JIM [slim] Correction: 5.4 not
> usingLive365PreferredSongInformation
>
> Can I assume you can connect to Live365.com and listen to a station via your
> web browser?
>
> Having your PC in a "DMZ" shouldn't matter, as all the connections are
> initiated from your side. I don't know anything about the D713P, but it
> seems to me that if it were incompatible somehow you'd have more noticable
> problems overall. I personally use a Zywall 10W without issues.
>
> Who's your ISP?
>
> I'm in the US, Denver area to be specific.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
>
> Roger Mitchell wrote:
>
>>Sorry to drop one in here Jim, but did you get any more thoughts on
>>what could be preventing me from connecting to Live365? I have now
>>installed slim server on my wireless laptop as well and that wont
>>connect either - same symptoms. The common denominator is my router
>>which is a dlink d713p. I have even tried to set up a DMZ for one of
>>my PC's but that didn't help at all either. I'm pretty keen to get
>>connected and take advantage of this great plugin. The only thing I
>>can tell you is that error log shown "Error 6". Any further ideas I could
>
> try??
>
>>Problem is, I'm in the UK, where are you? I suspect that we keep
>>missing each other because of the time difference?
>>
>>Best regards
>>Roger
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>>Sent: 02 November 2004 20:29
>>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>Subject: TO JIM [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using
>>Live365PreferredSongInformation
>>
>>Tore Johnsson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Is it possible to get Live365 for SPDIF in future?
>>
>>
>>It sort of depends... this isn't strictly a Squeezebox/SlimServer
>>problem, but that doesn't mean that we can't work around it.
>>
>>Live365 does have some streams that are encoded at a sample rate
>>that's commonly implemented in S/PDIF hardware. The remaining streams
>>are hard-encoded to that sample rate, so most digital inputs don't
>
> understand.
>
>>Slimdevices has talked to Live365 about this, and the feedback that
>>was shared with me was that Live365 didn't feel they could adapt their
>>streams to support s/PDIF sample rates.
>>
>>There's disucssion about dynamically resampling Live365 and similar
>>streams via LAME to support S/PDIF sample rates. This sounds a lot
>>easier than it is, unfortunately. I've been experimenting and getting
>>mixed results at best...
>>
>>Cheers,
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>>>Från: Tore Johnsson [mailto:tore (AT) torejohnsson (DOT) se]
>>>Skickat: den 2 november 2004 08:38
>>>Till: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
>>>Ämne: SV: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
>>>PreferredSongInformation
>>>
>>>Thanks Jim
>>>
>>>At last
>>>Some kind of solution.
>>>I use SPDIF output and a DAC.
>>>
>>>If I want to use this one, is there any possibility to change some
>>>settings in Slimserver.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Tore
>>>
>>>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>>>Från: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] För Jim
>>>Skickat: den 2 november 2004 01:53
>>>Till: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>>Ämne: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
>>>PreferredSongInformation
>>>
>>>Tore Johnsson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am a bit confused.
>>>>I have the normal login to Live 365 with username and password which
>>>>I
>>>
>>>have
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>set in Server Settings - Plugins.
>>>>I can see stations I SB but get no sound.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you using the digital or analog output from the Squeezebox?
>>>There's a known issue with Live365 streams decoding to a bitrate
>>>that's incompatible with S/PDIF. The internal DAC works fine, so
>>>analog output is more compatible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am wondering if I also should have VIP account for getting Live365
>>>>to function.
>>>
>>>
>>>I would hold off getting a VIP account at least until you can listen
>>>to a free stream.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Since I am living in Sweden could this cause any problem to get Live365?
>>>
>>>
>>>It shouldn't.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> Jim

Jim
2004-11-03, 15:16
Well, that clever idea was a bust...
I'm afraid I would need to duplicate your environment exactly to provide
any additional insight. I'm talking analyzing packet flows here, and
that's not somthing I can explain in email.

I'll keep my eyes open to something that might help, but yours is a
sticky problem.

J

Roger Mitchell wrote:
> Sure Jim - It's 80.5.151.207
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: 03 November 2004 17:55
> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> Subject: TO JIM [slim] Correction: 5.4
> notusingLive365PreferredSongInformation
>
> This is a really long shot, but can you send me your WAN IP address?
>
> Jim
>
>
> Roger Mitchell wrote:
>
>>Jim, I can listen to Live365 through my browser with no problems. Just
>>cant connect through slimserver at all! I don't think its anything to
>>do with the router either but desperation has now set in as well as
>>frustration so I'll try anything! My ISP is ntl:world at 1 meg, for
>>what it's worth. It's 8.10am here in the UK, so I guess you're in the
>>land of nod now. Perhaps I'll catch up with you when I get home from work.
>>
>>Cheers
>>Roger
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>>Sent: 03 November 2004 00:31
>>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>Subject: TO JIM [slim] Correction: 5.4 not
>>usingLive365PreferredSongInformation
>>
>>Can I assume you can connect to Live365.com and listen to a station
>>via your web browser?
>>
>>Having your PC in a "DMZ" shouldn't matter, as all the connections are
>>initiated from your side. I don't know anything about the D713P, but
>>it seems to me that if it were incompatible somehow you'd have more
>>noticable problems overall. I personally use a Zywall 10W without issues.
>>
>>Who's your ISP?
>>
>>I'm in the US, Denver area to be specific.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Jim
>>
>>
>>Roger Mitchell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sorry to drop one in here Jim, but did you get any more thoughts on
>>>what could be preventing me from connecting to Live365? I have now
>>>installed slim server on my wireless laptop as well and that wont
>>>connect either - same symptoms. The common denominator is my router
>>>which is a dlink d713p. I have even tried to set up a DMZ for one of
>>>my PC's but that didn't help at all either. I'm pretty keen to get
>>>connected and take advantage of this great plugin. The only thing I
>>>can tell you is that error log shown "Error 6". Any further ideas I
>>>could
>>
>>try??
>>
>>
>>>Problem is, I'm in the UK, where are you? I suspect that we keep
>>>missing each other because of the time difference?
>>>
>>>Best regards
>>>Roger
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>>>Sent: 02 November 2004 20:29
>>>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>>Subject: TO JIM [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using
>>>Live365PreferredSongInformation
>>>
>>>Tore Johnsson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is it possible to get Live365 for SPDIF in future?
>>>
>>>
>>>It sort of depends... this isn't strictly a Squeezebox/SlimServer
>>>problem, but that doesn't mean that we can't work around it.
>>>
>>>Live365 does have some streams that are encoded at a sample rate
>>>that's commonly implemented in S/PDIF hardware. The remaining streams
>>>are hard-encoded to that sample rate, so most digital inputs don't
>>
>>understand.
>>
>>
>>>Slimdevices has talked to Live365 about this, and the feedback that
>>>was shared with me was that Live365 didn't feel they could adapt their
>>>streams to support s/PDIF sample rates.
>>>
>>>There's disucssion about dynamically resampling Live365 and similar
>>>streams via LAME to support S/PDIF sample rates. This sounds a lot
>>>easier than it is, unfortunately. I've been experimenting and getting
>>>mixed results at best...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>>>>Från: Tore Johnsson [mailto:tore (AT) torejohnsson (DOT) se]
>>>>Skickat: den 2 november 2004 08:38
>>>>Till: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
>>>>Ämne: SV: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
>>>>PreferredSongInformation
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Jim
>>>>
>>>>At last
>>>>Some kind of solution.
>>>>I use SPDIF output and a DAC.
>>>>
>>>>If I want to use this one, is there any possibility to change some
>>>>settings in Slimserver.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Tore
>>>>
>>>>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>>>>Från: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>>>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] För Jim
>>>>Skickat: den 2 november 2004 01:53
>>>>Till: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>>>Ämne: SV: [slim] Correction: 5.4 not using Live365
>>>>PreferredSongInformation
>>>>
>>>>Tore Johnsson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am a bit confused.
>>>>>I have the normal login to Live 365 with username and password which
>>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>set in Server Settings - Plugins.
>>>>>I can see stations I SB but get no sound.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Are you using the digital or analog output from the Squeezebox?
>>>>There's a known issue with Live365 streams decoding to a bitrate
>>>>that's incompatible with S/PDIF. The internal DAC works fine, so
>>>>analog output is more compatible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am wondering if I also should have VIP account for getting Live365
>>>>>to function.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would hold off getting a VIP account at least until you can listen
>>>>to a free stream.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Since I am living in Sweden could this cause any problem to get Live365?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It shouldn't.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> Jim