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erland
2012-04-28, 23:46
To me it feels like my Squeezebox experience hasn't really evolved much during the last year.

When thinking back, I remember things like:
- SqueezePad announcement
- iPeng for iPad announcement
- Triode's Spotify plugin announcement

All these are things that truly made big changes to how I use my Squeezebox system to discover and listen to music, but all are older than a year.
If I think about Logitech provided features I need to go back to the Radio and Touch releases to find something that really made a big difference for myself.

But what's the next big thing we would like to be added or changed in the future, either through Logitech or third party developers ?

I don't want a list of ideas which you think someone else wants, I want a list of ideas which YOU want.

I don't want a list of bugs to be fixed because that's obviously something that needs to be done, so it doesn't have to be discussed, I like ideas of things that would make big changes to your Squeezebox experience, it might be ideas of new software features or ideas of new hardware, it might related to music listening or the earlier steps of ripping and tagging music to get it into your library.

The purpose of this thread is mainly to give existing and new third party developers ideas of things which people want, since Logitech developers are present on this forum there is also a chance that someone from Logitech will spot the thread and pickup some excellent ideas for new features.

So do you have any ideas for things that would really make a big difference for your Squeezebox experience ?
Could be either small things or big things, but let's focus on things that will have a significant impact on your Squeezebox experience.

Hans_NL
2012-04-29, 03:03
To me it feels like my Squeezebox experience hasn't really evolved much during the last year.

I don't want a list of ideas which you think someone else wants, I want a list of ideas which YOU want.

I don't want a list of bugs to be fixed because that's obviously something that needs to be done, so it doesn't have to be discussed, I like ideas of things that would make big changes to your Squeezebox experience, it might be ideas of new software features or ideas of new hardware, it might related to music listening or the earlier steps of ripping and tagging music to get it into your library.


I understand your point of view, and under normal circumstances I would agree. At this stage though I feel that it is pointless to think about extra functionality while Logitech hasn't been able to deliver even one (reasonably) bug-free firmware version for my two Squeezebox radios. Introducing new features, while even the most basic functions aren't reliable, is asking for (even more) trouble.

Hans

reniera
2012-04-29, 05:45
My experience with squeezebox degraded when you Erland decided your plugins (and the ones of sugarcube) become commercial and payable. Thanks to that change, i then realised lms is in fact very stable with no 3P plugins, thank you and that i can recover a lot of free time by sticking to the official (stable) version with no tweaking/plugins. Lms Alone does what it's supposed to do and does it very well. As already explained, i'd love track rating, user profiles and an improvement/replacement of musicip to be integrated by Logitech in the core product.

I really wonder what is the sense and motivation of your post and why this initiative comes from you and not from Logitech.

aubuti
2012-04-29, 05:54
I really wonder what is the sense and motivation of your post and why this initiative comes from you and not from Logitech.
Couldn't be much clearer:

The purpose of this thread is mainly to give existing and new third party developers ideas of things which people want, since Logitech developers are present on this forum there is also a chance that someone from Logitech will spot the thread and pickup some excellent ideas for new features.

In other words, ideas for enhancements to SB software that 3rd party developers are capable of delivering, with or without input from Logitech, which has its own set of priorities. If Logitech happens to pick up on some of the ideas, consider it a bonus.

pippin
2012-04-29, 06:08
Still my number 1: A working SoundCloud plugin.

There is one, but since it doesn't process the link authorization (or re-authorization) correctly it doesn't work any better than iPeng does out of the box meaning you can play a track but not store it in a playlist or a favorite.
Also, it's browsing is a bit broken. So it's quite useless for me, it's still easier to just use iPeng but I would like to not only preview a track (or play once) but also to keep it in my Squeezebox ecosystem afterwards

epoch1970
2012-04-29, 07:30
1st of all I will say I am happy w/ SBS 7.6 and I think Erland's dedication to enhancing our musical experience should be praised.

For me:
#1: System actions in the playlist.
Like setting volume up/down before/after a song; playing a radio stream for X minutes then switch to another source; etc.

#2: Proxying the local library via mySB.com (or whatever.com)
On the move, the only protocol I am sure to have access to is HTTP on port 80. All the rest is likely to be filtered. I don't want to open this kind of gate on my LAN. But SBS could connect to something like mysb.com and allow access to local files

#3: Power management integration at OS level.
Make PM-aware the native win/mac os SBS dashboards so that the software can fight against a sleep request when playing, and disconnect/reconnect players at shutdown-sleep/boot-wake time. Try to cook something on linux, too. I believe a dummy usb driver would receive/handle the PM events on any reasonable platform.
(I know srvPowerControl exists; it does more than fit the bill on a dedicated server. But it doesn't have OS-level integration so it does not work perfect on multi-purpose machines like a desktop.)

#4: A not dead MIP-like system.
I use MIP and it kind of works. But it has its quirks and won't run on anything other than i386 (AFAIK)

#5: Quality (which means authorized I suppose) art and metadata.
I like discogs a lot, but really I am spending too much time on that site.

SBGK
2012-04-29, 08:28
missing a true audiophile option ie stripped down firmware etc so that all extraneous processes etc can be switched off and the Touch can reach it's true potential.

wonder boy
2012-04-29, 10:14
Simple for me I guess...

1. When you add an album to library in Triodes spotify plugin it also goes in under artist or indeed goes in the main album list perhaps. This would help search or select by artist

2. When streaming spotify to lose the occasional hangs which almost always occur at the end of a track as the next one fails to play

3. Bombproof radio alarm feed of BBC R5 via mysb.com

Still an awesome system though, even with it's foibles or 'features' as I like to call them!

Mnyb
2012-04-29, 21:23
Enhance the bandcamp plugin so that you can shop music and download within the system .
( I could have my paypal account stored in the plugin settings ). Downloads go to a dedicated folder unzips and scan into the dB .

Any other kind of integrated shop for lossles music ( I exemplified with bandcamp as I know of it's existence and it looks realistic to implement )

And yes an official music ip replacement please , so that we finally can have smart playlists .

Tag editing via a plugin that has an UI that would work on iPeng or SqueezePad .

bernt
2012-04-29, 23:12
#2: Proxying the local library via mySB.com (or whatever.com)
On the move, the only protocol I am sure to have access to is HTTP on port 80. All the rest is likely to be filtered. I don't want to open this kind of gate on my LAN. But SBS could connect to something like mysb.com and allow access to local files


+1

and AirPlay.

MrSinatra
2012-04-29, 23:24
quite frankly, i would like to be able to ditch server altogether when i want to, and have some kind of transparent, near optionless middleware that would power the hardware. essentially, something to turn the hardware into a remote soundcard, so i could use ANY software i want, and play to it.

so, for instance, i could fire up winamp and when i told it to play, the audio would be sent to the hardware.

verypsb
2012-04-29, 23:32
I think an updated, easier to use and better looking webinterface would be nice. Something that looks a bit more modern.

erland
2012-04-29, 23:37
#5: Quality (which means authorized I suppose) art and metadata.
I like discogs a lot, but really I am spending too much time on that site.

I think I understand what you mean with art, but what do you mean with metadata ?

Would you expect it to find metadata even if your tags are a complete mess or non existent or are you looking for a way to find extra metadata which most people normally don't put into tags ? Can you give examples of what kind of data you would like to retrieve ?
How would you like to metadata to be handled, is it something you manually select to retrieve/view for an individual item in your library or is it something you would even expect to be shown in the browse menus ?

Regarding album art, are we just talking about automatically retrieving album art for albums which doesn't have album art previously or were you thinking about a manual operation where you retrieve album art for a selected album/track ?

erland
2012-04-29, 23:41
Enhance the bandcamp plugin so that you can shop music and download within the system .
( I could have my paypal account stored in the plugin settings ). Downloads go to a dedicated folder unzips and scan into the dB .

Any other kind of integrated shop for lossles music ( I exemplified with bandcamp as I know of it's existence and it looks realistic to implement )

From what kind of device would it be important to do the purchase ?
Are we talking all interfaces, like even a IR remote, or do you expect that you will sit beside a computer when you like to purchase something ? Would it be useful if you could only purchase when you are sitting beside a computer, or do you think it have to work on the other remote types to be useful ?

Wigster
2012-04-29, 23:54
From my perspective:

1. Better support for podcasts (streaming m4a files, a "what's new" channel that would sort all podcasts chronologically, marking episodes as listened), especially since MediaFly is now no longer available for consumers.
2. AirPlay support
3. Some sort of Firefox/Chrome plugin/widget that would pass a weblink directly to LMS to stream
4. Ability to temporarily add libraries on machines which are not always on the network

erland
2012-04-30, 00:27
2. AirPlay support

Are there any specific iPhone/iPad apps which you feel it would be more important to be able to send the audio to the Squeezebox for ?
I'm just asking because AirPlay is a bit tricky from a legal standpoint unless you like to pay license fees to Apple, so if we know exactly which apps you are looking for support in there might be other solutions that are easier to accomplish that fulfills the need.



4. Ability to temporarily add libraries on machines which are not always on the network

Are we talking about computers where SBS/LMS can't be installed ?
In that case, do you have any preference how the library should be made availablable ?
Are we talking about
* iTunes libraries
* machines which expose a network disk on the network
* machines which have a UPnP server installed ?
(Which would be most important for you personally)

Today, you can install SBS/LMS on the temporary machine and just switch on the Squeezebox which SBS/LMS it is connected to, but I suspect you are looking for a solution that doesn't require you to switch SBS/LMS on the Squeezebox ?

Do you want to browse these temporary library separately or are you expecting them to be fully integrated in the standard browse menus so its albums appear in the same list as the albums from the permanent library ?

Finally, what kind of temporary machines are we talking about ? Computers within the family or something else ?
Is the need to easily be able to access, browse and play music on all laptop's within the family that are currently connected to the network ?

Wirrunna
2012-04-30, 00:33
An updated version of Inguz EQ, maybe using SoX.

InguzEQ was (and still is for me) a great plugin but some users are having trouble getting it to go.

verypsb
2012-04-30, 00:44
From my perspective:
2. AirPlay support
4. Ability to temporarily add libraries on machines which are not always on the network

These are features which should be in LMS [next] and/or Squeezebox [next], I think. It would allow visitors to play something from their iThingy the've brought with them on my system directly, without complex reconfiguring/rescanning. It also would allow me to send audio from my MacBook to the Squeezebox, without problems. (When browsing the internet, for example)

epoch1970
2012-04-30, 04:45
I think I understand what you mean with art, but what do you mean with metadata ?

Would you expect it to find metadata even if your tags are a complete mess or non existent or are you looking for a way to find extra metadata which most people normally don't put into tags ? Can you give examples of what kind of data you would like to retrieve ?
How would you like to metadata to be handled, is it something you manually select to retrieve/view for an individual item in your library or is it something you would even expect to be shown in the browse menus ?

Regarding album art, are we just talking about automatically retrieving album art for albums which doesn't have album art previously or were you thinking about a manual operation where you retrieve album art for a selected album/track ?

An example from yesterday. I ripped the "More Moondog" CD published by WEA France in 1991. I had one of the CD databases return 1991 as the release date. For me this is wrong. Release info is Prestige 1956, remastered 1991. Further, this CD is a (hidden) combo: LP "The Story of Moondog", Prestige 1957 has sneaked in as "bonus tracks" on this CD.
So with the help of discogs I have split the CD in 2, set the appropriate dates, and grabbed the original LP artwork (google image helps here, too)

My tags are not in a mess. The music industry was: CDs were expected to hold 60 minutes of music, so we end up with many nondescript compilations, combos, or CDs where there are more "bonus tracks" than there were tracks on the original recording.
With the SB we are in the digital realm so I can fix this kind of situation, and finally understand what I am listening to.

Another recent example. Miles Davis' soundtrack for "Ascenseur pour l'échafaud" on CD includes a ton of studio alternate takes, following each master take. Listening to this CD was a bizarre experience… Finally I compared the original LP tracklist and the CD reissue's, split the files in 2, as "original LP" + "bonus studio takes". And for the first time I could enjoy the LP thoroughly.

aubuti
2012-04-30, 06:00
#4: A not dead MIP-like system.
I use MIP and it kind of works. But it has its quirks and won't run on anything other than i386 (AFAIK)
+1
Actually MIP works pretty well for me, but we all know it's on borrowed time at best. The SB system needs a living replacement for MIP.

Wigster
2012-04-30, 06:43
Are there any specific iPhone/iPad apps which you feel it would be more important to be able to send the audio to the Squeezebox for ?
I'm just asking because AirPlay is a bit tricky from a legal standpoint unless you like to pay license fees to Apple, so if we know exactly which apps you are looking for support in there might be other solutions that are easier to accomplish that fulfills the need.


The scenario I am envisaging is the typical party: people come over, drink, get bored of your finely selected music and then say, let me DJ for a while. They basically have a stock iPhone. If I were in the Apple ecosystem, I'd just have an Apple router plugged into my stereo. It's not for me as the SB owner, since I use IPeng.

Are we talking about computers where SBS/LMS can't be installed ?
In that case, do you have any preference how the library should be made availablable ?
Are we talking about
* iTunes libraries
* machines which expose a network disk on the network
* machines which have a UPnP server installed ?
(Which would be most important for you personally)

My situation is that I have a couple of laptops, which are not always at home (and are not always on), but which have some music which is not on the main server (at least yet). But I sometimes want to be able to play the music off the said laptop. I don't want to run anything extra on the laptops (I guess it's ok if there is a DLNA media library being served by them). Currently (since it's a Windows network) all the music is accessible to every other machine as part of the Homegroup, so file sharing between the server and these machines is enabled. It would be nice to be able to somehow easily play that music, even if it did require a scan at some point before, but not every time the machine is connected (and it's ok if the library is then somewhat out of date).

I think I would actually prefer to drill down to the music on the laptops separately, rather than have everything integrated together, or at least to ahve that option. More importantly, the music should not be listed in the SB menus if the laptops are not on the network.

Roger66
2012-04-30, 06:47
I'd like to see a comfortable way of synchronizing the favorites between MySB.com and LMS.

I prefer to manage the favorites in LMS (because the search function is much better here) and export them to MySB.com. Actually I can import them into MySB.com only line by line, a little bit outdated to manage this with hundreds of favorites.

Regards
Roger

sherington
2012-04-30, 07:30
The most annoying thing - and this not unique to Sqeezebox in any way - is that iTunes beats it hands-down in the creation and use of playlists. The Squeezebox implementation is based on the assumption, I assume, that Squeezebox users don't really need such a simple interface - they can cope with more technical methods.

IMHO this is the one single thing that iTunes does really well, and should be emulated asap. Without this really quite simple approach, the system will forever be tagged with the "only useable by techies & nerds" label and sales will be hugely restricted for ever. And on that note, the "techies & nerds" (of which I am one - been in IT since c1975) should not come back and say this is daft - I know how to create and deploy playlists, but stand someone in front of your SB/Touch or whatever and tell them to create and deploy a playlist & they simply cannot do it without detailed instructions and detailed explanations. Not good enough - I have only ever come across one relatively elderly person who could not immediately suss it out on iTunes/iPod etc etc but they all have one. My 85yr old Pa uses his squeezebox daily because I have set up his playlists for him. He should have been able to do it himself. My wife cannot do it & my 15yr old daughter claims not to have the time to investigate.

I ONLY use iTunes for setting up & feeding the one iPod in the house that Rockbox doesn't support & generally hate it since it comes with so much Apple FUD, arrogance & "stuff" that I really don't want or need (like the iTunes store), but the playlist execution is the one critical thing that made it universally useable by the masses pre-the iTunes store.

rayman1701
2012-04-30, 08:36
About the only thing that might be of interest to me is a Touch 2. Something with a bit bigger screen, maybe a bit more robust at being it's own server, and the ability to display on a TV or monitor. The way I think it could make great strides for the simplification of use, is a self contained system that one could just plug in a USB drive and be up and going. Granted it should be open enough that tweakers or people that want more options could expand upon. But it seems that some that I've talked to get intimidated and confused by the whole separate server idea and are just used to how easy it is to just play stuff from iTunes/pods. So that's my suggestion, a robust self contained system that could be pretty plug and play.

vs27
2012-04-30, 09:06
I agree with improving the touch's USB and SD card slot. I have problems with the scanning and trying to use the internal server. You should be able to copy folders from the LMS server computer to an SD card and it should work without waiting forever for the scan to complete.

cparker
2012-04-30, 15:26
To me it feels like my Squeezebox experience hasn't really evolved much during the last year.

In answer to your question, the key problem with pushing forward development of "the experience" is the pitiful lack of opening up the Jive interface to Third party developers. Simple stuff like putting a dynamic button on the now playing screen and when pressed run some plugin code, all the new stuff that makes the Touch interesting is all closed shop.

Without any movement on feature requests like; http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15067
(Requested in 2009!) development is stuck in the "classic" world.

A few years back there were dozens of developers and now you can count the number of active developers on one hand. You see comments in the Dev forums that they have no interest in feature enhancements unless they have 10000+ votes, so hence the few dev votes will never get anything implemented to make life easier and throw out new ideas, inspire new devs and so forth.

In my opinion Logitech have lost direction and just to top it off, it looks like they are on yet another rebranding exercise to change the product name again... geez keep up the good work guys :s

erland
2012-04-30, 15:58
In answer to your question, the key problem with pushing forward development of "the experience" is the pitiful lack of opening up the Jive interface to Third party developers.

Without any movement on feature requests like; http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15067
(Requested in 2009!) development is stuck in the "classic" world.

I completely agree, if they have limited resources they really need to put some focus on making it easy for third party developers to enhance the product and so they can do everything Logitech doesn't have resources to do themselves. The issue is more widespread than just the Jive interface, it's a general API issue where offering a third party API often isn't a priority. However, to give them some credit, they have done some things on the server side with the "onebrowser" API and new scanner API introduced in 7.6 which was a step in the right direction for third party add-ons.



In my opinion Logitech have lost direction and just to top it off, it looks like they are on yet another rebranding exercise to change the product name again...

Are you talking about the name change to "Logitech Media Server" or something else which I've totally missed ?

Mnyb
2012-05-01, 02:44
From what kind of device would it be important to do the purchase ?
Are we talking all interfaces, like even a IR remote, or do you expect that you will sit beside a computer when you like to purchase something ? Would it be useful if you could only purchase when you are sitting beside a computer, or do you think it have to work on the other remote types to be useful ?

You can already do it on a computer, the band camp plugin gives you link to the artist page, so when sitting with a browser you just use the link and goes to bandcamp and shop .

So it would be from the other interfaces .

There is the amazon shop plugin to, but that one is only halfway there as your purchases get collected by mysb.com and you have to go there to get further.

AussieSqueezeFan
2012-05-01, 06:37
Hi erland
I listen daily to BBC Radio shows using BBC listen again. A couple of years ago, if I wanted to listen to the Alex Lester show each day (several hours after broadcast), I would set up five favourites: one for the 'Alex Lester Monday show', one for the 'Alex Lester Tuesday show', and so on. So presumably the URLs were constant. Unfortunately, the BBC now puts the shows out as Alex Lester show Monday 30 April, Alex Lester show Tuesday 1 May, and so on. So the URL is different every week. This also applies for other non BBC radio stations.

My wish is to be able to save favourite searches. Not the result of the search, but the word(s) that I want to search for. So to search for Alex Lester shows, in stead of having to type in 'alex lester' every time, I would go to my favourite search list, scroll to Alex Lester, and hit search.

You might think that typing in 'alex lester' is not a big deal, and you would be right to an extent, but...
1. The question was "what is missing from your squeezebox experience?", and
2. I have an SB Duet and typing is done by a scroll wheel (slightly hit and miss), an SB3 and typing is done through the number keypad (also slightly hit and miss), and an SB Boom (typing is the most cumbersome through the little remote).

bpa
2012-05-01, 06:55
I listen daily to BBC Radio shows using BBC listen again. A couple of years ago, if I wanted to listen to the Alex Lester show each day (several hours after broadcast), I would set up five favourites: one for the 'Alex Lester Monday show', one for the 'Alex Lester Tuesday show', and so on. So presumably the URLs were constant. Unfortunately, the BBC now puts the shows out as Alex Lester show Monday 30 April, Alex Lester show Tuesday 1 May, and so on. So the URL is different every week. This also applies for other non BBC radio stations.

The BBCiPlayer plugin is a 3rd party plugin and so is not part of LMS per se and should not be treated as part of LMS as it has to deal with BBC foibles.

The BBC WMA URLs are fixed and reused on a 7 day cycle (see how to make a link here http://beebotron.org/beebobodgewma.php ) but AAC URLs are unique per program and so go out of date.
The plugin has a little known and a bit hard to use "filter" ability which can be used to produce a matching list of programs. I don't think this could eaily be made part of standard LMS but you can make a Favorite for the BBCiPlayer plugin which does the search.

GothsterC
2012-05-01, 07:20
There are two things I would really like to see in the near future.
I've used MusicIP and don't care for it, but I've grown to love MoodAgent from the Spotify app. I really like the mixes it comes up with and it is so easy to use.
I would love to see a MoodAgent plug-in for LMS or at least one of the LMS Spotify plug-ins upgraded to include the existing Spotify MoodAgent app.

Secondly, I would like to see the Android controller (Logitech's or Squeeze Commander or a new one) upgraded to take advantage of the tablet form factor with very large album art both in the browsing and in the now playing screens.

bonze
2012-05-01, 08:23
A simple option to download a podcast to a default folder.
I find I don't always get the chance to listen to a podcast in one sitting, and it would be easier to download it.

rbz5416
2012-05-03, 07:30
Coverflow for browsing albums.

Stripping the Touch's inbuilt server down to the bare bones if that would actually make it work.

Native & simple support for multiple libraries.

Support for basic Spotify rather than just Premium.

A statement from Logitech on the Squeezebox road map, assuming that it doesn't just take a blind curve off a cliff...

Edit
Oh, & a search party to look for Flatterman!

Bytec
2012-05-03, 07:52
I miss:
- built-in playback statistics and dynamic playlists based on those statistics, like TrackStat but built-in;
- Multi-library support;

erland
2012-05-03, 12:51
Coverflow for browsing albums.

In which interface do you feel this would be important ? web ? Controller ? iPhone/iPad/Android ?

Jeff Flowerday
2012-05-03, 13:01
In which interface do you feel this would be important ? web ? Controller ? iPhone/iPad/Android ?

He did want to send out a search party for Flatterman, so I'm going to guess Squeeze commander.

spedinfargo
2012-05-03, 13:06
Every time I mention it in the forums I get booed off the stage, but I would really like to see some simple Voice Control of the squeezebox ecosystem. We have this a lot in cars (Ford Sync) and other devices (Iphone), and Kinnect, so I would really love to see it here as well.

It could be very simple where a Squeezebox Controller could have a button-activated microphone and you speak simple commands into it:

Play Playlist "Mom Favorites"
Sync all players
Play Favorite National Public Radio
Play Podcast Jim Rome
Play Artist Metallica
Play Genre Heavy Metal Random
Stop All Players
Play Playlist Lullabies on Player Nursery

etc. etc.

rbz5416
2012-05-03, 15:42
In which interface do you feel this would be important ? web ? Controller ? iPhone/iPad/Android ?As Jeff rightly said, I primarily use SqueezeCommander so would like to see it on Android. If it was incorporated into the web browser I may use that more often but it's a dreadfully lacklustre experience at the moment.

It would certainly liven up the awful Controller but for me it has too many flaws to ever consider buying another one. The one I owned was sold within a matter of days.

iPad would need to halve in price before I ever considered buying one.

atrocity
2012-05-03, 20:39
The only thing I would love to see that isn't there now is the ability to output lossless multichannel.

Mnyb
2012-05-03, 22:23
Reducing the bewildering array of helper apps that might or might not work on your choosen platform, or migth not even be there at all ?

Compiling in licenced transcoding ability in the main app somehow, so the lame search for lame could end ? or ffmpeg or mplayer or ....

Including licensed wma and aac decoders for as many platforms as possible

erland
2012-05-03, 22:36
Reducing the bewildering array of helper apps that might or might not work on your choosen platform, or migth not even be there at all ?

Compiling in licenced transcoding ability in the main app somehow, so the lame search for lame could end ? or ffmpeg or mplayer or ....

Including licensed wma and aac decoders for as many platforms as possible

On which platforms is this a common problem today ?
I'm just asking because I want to understand, I'm not saying that you are wrong.

If the issues are limited to platforms that aren't officially supported, it feels like a better solution would be to add support for those platforms, either through third party helper apps or not, doesn't really matter as long as they work. I'm personally not convinced it will work better just because Logitech would bundle it and maintain it themselves.

Do you have issues personally or is this something you read on the forums and think other people would like to improve ?

Mnyb
2012-05-03, 23:52
On which platforms is this a common problem today ?
I'm just asking because I want to understand, I'm not saying that you are wrong.

If the issues are limited to platforms that aren't officially supported, it feels like a better solution would be to add support for those platforms, either through third party helper apps or not, doesn't really matter as long as they work. I'm personally not convinced it will work better just because Logitech would bundle it and maintain it themselves.

Do you have issues personally or is this something you read on the forums and think other people would like to improve ?

Not so much/Yes

But if it came bundled you don't have to gradually find out whats missing :)

At the moment I'm only lacking WMA and WMAL transcoding on my Linux box I think ? (it might be more ,but I have not stumbled there yet )

And some plugins want's their own transcoders as the provided ones are not enough ?

I know that lame is the "best" regarding mp3 but due to licensing it can never be included, forcing everyone to separately install lame on their system , why not include another mp3 encoder (licensed) in the bundle.
The oddballs requring "high end" mp3 can fix that themselves .
I really don't care for ultimate mp3 fidelity so I would have been happy saving those 10 minutes finding out where to get lame for my platform .

I'm not against options and configure stuff to my own liking ,but stuff that could be made simpler should be .

And of-course on CPU underpowered platforms it's a no go .

Getting at it from another angle would be improving the native decoders on Touch it has problems with 24/96 aiff and some 24/96 alac I don't know about 24/96 WMAL ? .
There are odd exceptions in the native decoders sometimes ?

it should in total work so well that the file types settings page could go away or be a hidden option (like a plug in you could activate ) .
To be fair it is much better now and someone installing on a bog standard pc never have to fudge with this unless having some special needs like ingus .

LMS should configure agaisnt the installed platform by itself . I think this would make some stuff easier for new users

Mnyb
2012-05-03, 23:53
Another usability improvement would be plugin install/uninstall that not required restarts of LMS

rayman1701
2012-05-04, 06:49
Another usability improvement would be plugin install/uninstall that not required restarts of LMS

I would agree with this.

Meridion
2012-05-04, 09:32
- reduce standby power to <1W
- add HDMI video and multichannel audio playback capabilities
- wireless speakers
- small "digital" hi-end mono amps to drive audiophile speakers, extendable/syncable to multichannel setup
- choose between advanced and simple setup

socistep
2012-05-04, 14:32
I'm actually quite happy with my Squeezebox setup, I spent a lot of time getting it so that it is pretty low maintenance, especially important since my son was born I'm more inclined just to listen to music and my tinkering/forum posting has dropped dramatically.

Roughly speaking the main elements I use are

- vortexbox on HP proliant microserver for storing music/running SBS
- Dynamic playlists for 'top rated tracks'

However in terms of what is missing then

- Android Tablet App - Specifically designed for tablet space
- Collection interface/playlist management - I would probably spend more time interacting with my collection if there was a better way to manage and creat playlists/rate tracks etc.

JJZolx
2012-05-04, 15:21
I realize that this is a "give me ideas for new plugins" thread, but I have to say that what I feel is missing in the Squeezebox "experience" is missing from the base server.


Browse Album Artists.


A better, more dynamic web interface with more attention paid to making it easily skinable by end users.


More flexibility in configuring the SqueezePlay interface - text size, color, now playing, title formatting.


More SqueezePlay player settings exposed in the web ui.


Better (and more reliable) cover management, including the ability to rescan only covers, and the ability to detect cover changes in a new & changed scan.


Better/more options in volume syncing. Volume syncing a Boom or Radio with players attached to stereos having a separate volume control just doesn't work.


A more powerful Random Mix.

An option to exclude unchecked genres when a track has multiple genres. Or make it the standard behavior.
The ability to set a date (year) range.
Save and play random mix settings by name.


Bug fixes galore.

Go back and fix the many small problems introduced with onebrowser.
Rethink and fix VA handling.

erland
2012-05-05, 00:59
More flexibility in configuring the SqueezePlay interface - text size, color, now playing, title formatting.

If you look at your own needs, and ignore everyone else, what would you like to change regarding text size, color, now playing screen and title formatting ?
Basically, how would your personal optimal configuration look like ?

I'm asking because it's always easy to wish for more configuration possibilities, but sometimes the real problem might be that the default configuration is incorrect and doesn't suit most users.



More SqueezePlay player settings exposed in the web ui.

What's the reason ?
Is it too complex/user unfriendly to configure it through the SqueezePlay interface ?
Are you just looking for a way to configure it from a more user friendly interface or is there another reason why you like to do it through the web ui ?



Better (and more reliable) cover management, including the ability to rescan only covers, and the ability to detect cover changes in a new & changed scan.

How do you usually work when you add new covers, do you typically replace the cover for a single or a few albums or do you typically go through your whole album and update a lot of albums ?
As an example, would a possibility to refresh the covers for a selected track or album solve the issues ?



Better/more options in volume syncing. Volume syncing a Boom or Radio with players attached to stereos having a separate volume control just doesn't work.

Do you control the volume on the players attached to an external amplifier through the Squeezebox remote or through the remote of the external amplifier ?

Mnyb
2012-05-05, 01:48
What's the reason ?
Is it too complex/user unfriendly to configure it through the SqueezePlay interface ?
Are you just looking for a way to configure it from a more user friendly interface or is there another reason why you like to do it through the web ui ?

Do you control the volume on the players attached to an external amplifier through the Squeezebox remote or through the remote of the external amplifier ?

My 2c re JJ's very good suggestions, if I may elaborate further .

Player settings done by the web-UI is usually retained by the server.prefs file and in a multiplayer setup having the server as a hub for settings makes sense. logitech should then make it easier to save and restore * all * settings including mysb.com.
Such as the result of reinstalling the server from scratch should have you restoring *one* single settings backup and all including services last.fm et all should be as before, running around to set everything on each player is nonsense IMO ?

Problem re volume is that the sync is absolute, every player gets synced to same number for example 72 this is nonsense in almost all situations you can think off .
What needed is how iPeng does it, a master volume slider that adjusts the volume relatively , it is very likely that volume 43 is ok in my bedroom boom and 65 is what I have on my kitchen Touch , so if I want slightly louder relative volume changes is the way to go. Otherwise there will always be a to quit location and one to loud , thus the current approach can only be used if your different stereos and booms and radios just so happens to produce a similar acoustic output at the same volume setting, this is very unlikely.

AussieSqueezeFan
2012-05-10, 02:53
The BBCiPlayer plugin is a 3rd party plugin and so is not part of LMS per se and should not be treated as part of LMS as it has to deal with BBC foibles.

The BBC WMA URLs are fixed and reused on a 7 day cycle (see how to make a link here http://beebotron.org/beebobodgewma.php ) but AAC URLs are unique per program and so go out of date.
The plugin has a little known and a bit hard to use "filter" ability which can be used to produce a matching list of programs. I don't think this could eaily be made part of standard LMS but you can make a Favorite for the BBCiPlayer plugin which does the search.

Thanks bpa.
Given the years I have fiddled with SB and BBC, I don't know how I missed Beebotron. The Beebobodge solution works perfectly. The result is exactly what I was looking for.

sherington
2012-05-10, 04:00
How do you usually work when you add new covers, do you typically replace the cover for a single or a few albums or do you typically go through your whole album and update a lot of albums ?
As an example, would a possibility to refresh the covers for a selected track or album solve the issues ?

It is one of the most annoying things to have to do - I often change many of the tags for a single album at a time, including embedding the album cover, but for all this to show up, a complete rescan is required. Since my coolection is now c33K tracks, it takes a while & I have to remember to do it!! Daft, really.

Indeed, I cannot remember what changes to the music library ARE reflected without a complete rescan, including deletion of preferences.!

JJZolx
2012-05-10, 04:20
More flexibility in configuring the SqueezePlay interface - text size, color, now playing, title formatting.

If you look at your own needs, and ignore everyone else, what would you like to change regarding text size, color, now playing screen and title formatting ?
Basically, how would your personal optimal configuration look like ?

I'm asking because it's always easy to wish for more configuration possibilities, but sometimes the real problem might be that the default configuration is incorrect and doesn't suit most users.

This has been brought up hundreds of times by other users, as well as being a sticking point during beta testing, so it's not my personal wish while I "ignore everyone else". And not a matter of incorrect or correct, just about configurability.

The biggest issue is visibility of the interface from a distance and why more flexible text sizing is needed. If someone sits six feet from the Touch while using the remote and has good eyes, then maybe a smaller text and four lines would work better for them. On the other hand, someone twelve feet away with poor eyesight might prefer a larger font. Same thing with Now Playing. There's room for much larger text on the screen, but no way to make it happen.




More SqueezePlay player settings exposed in the web ui.

What's the reason ?
Is it too complex/user unfriendly to configure it through the SqueezePlay interface ?
Are you just looking for a way to configure it from a more user friendly interface or is there another reason why you like to do it through the web ui ?

For convenience. And finding/discovering all of the available options is much easier in the web UI than it is in the Touch interface. Everything is much easier to get at. It would also makes it much easier to configure multiple players without having to run around the house changing settings on every one.




Better (and more reliable) cover management, including the ability to rescan only covers, and the ability to detect cover changes in a new & changed scan.
How do you usually work when you add new covers, do you typically replace the cover for a single or a few albums or do you typically go through your whole album and update a lot of albums ?
As an example, would a possibility to refresh the covers for a selected track or album solve the issues ?

No, that wouldn't be convenient at all, because it would mean navigating in some interface to each album where you've made changes. I'd simply like to see a 'new & changed' scan detect any new or changed covers.




Better/more options in volume syncing. Volume syncing a Boom or Radio with players attached to stereos having a separate volume control just doesn't work.

Do you control the volume on the players attached to an external amplifier through the Squeezebox remote or through the remote of the external amplifier ?

Both. Except, of course, on the Boom and Radio.

amrace
2012-05-11, 10:34
"What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?"

The ability to pop to the shops and buy one. There's none to be seen in the high street any more here in the UK, unlike Sonos, AirPlay, Philips Stremium, Naim etc. These are everywhere from department stores to hifi shops. It's really quite sad to see the demise of the once market leader in audio streaming.

prabbit
2012-05-11, 14:59
I haven't read through this entire thread, but here are things that are missing from my Squeezebox experience:

1. Ability to embed lyrics into a song file. Using the Song Lyrics plugin, I can see the lyrics on my computer browser or through iPeng. I'd like to be able to save those into the file somehow. When I ran my lyrics finder batch program, it found lyrics for ~50% of the songs in my library. It missed some that it should have found. When I play a song that doesn't have lyrics embedded in it and view Song Info, I'll see lyrics that are delivered from www.musixmatch.com.
2. This one is related to the one above, but the ability to add or edit other tag info for a track. For instance, as I listen to a song, I'd like to be able to add a genre or correct a typo in a tag. Right now, I have to fire up a tag editor, load the file, make the correction. It's a hassle, so it usually doesn't get done. Or I save a note and do several at once. If I could edit the tags in a web browser though, that would be awesome. I am not talking about batch editing of multiple tracks, but rather editing tags for the track that is currently playing (or that is being viewed).

aubuti
2012-05-11, 16:00
1. Ability to embed lyrics into a song file. Using the Song Lyrics plugin, I can see the lyrics on my computer browser or through iPeng. I'd like to be able to save those into the file somehow. When I ran my lyrics finder batch program, it found lyrics for ~50% of the songs in my library. It missed some that it should have found. When I play a song that doesn't have lyrics embedded in it and view Song Info, I'll see lyrics that are delivered from www.musixmatch.com.
Fyi, that ability already exists. Before the Song Lyrics plugin was invented I used to do this with software called Music Bee. It's simply a matter of adding the lyrics as metadata, just like any other tag. The SB server software recognizes the tag and displays the lyrics on interfaces such as the web ui, the SB Controller, the Touch, and the Radio. Not sure about SB3/Classic and older models.

EDIT: If you are looking to do that within the SB software itself, that's another matter. As you're obviously aware (based on your #2), LMS does not do any modification of music files. I personally see this as a feature rather than a limitation, but I understand why others take the opposite view.

mikael_b
2012-05-11, 19:10
1: TuneIn Radio Pro, or similar. I have this on my i-pad and phone, you can pause the live radio stream and later on continue listening. You can also record streams, manually or with a programmable timer, handy if your favourite radio station lacks a listen again feature. The pause function actually is enough for me to bring the tablet to the breakfast table instead of using the Radio already there.
2: A real FM radio receiver. With RDS. Yes, really, it would add to my Squeezebox experience. I know some people here dont understand why but this is something I miss, also on my i-devices.


Mike

Meridion
2012-05-12, 03:11
When thinking about missing features, new hardware devices came to my mind first.

But besides the missing devices, a decent integrated library management is missing, too. Music playing functionality should not be separated from music management functionality. Playing music with LMS, ripping and managing the library with additional aplications (dbpoweramp, itunes, mediamonky, ...) is fun for the experienced user, but it's a pain for the normal user.

I expect LMS to have an integrated library management functionaly to rip/add/buy music, manage metadata (using external metadata sources) and seamlessly include music from cloud/streaming services as if they were stored locally.

Mnyb
2012-05-12, 10:08
A simple idea !

To add music to an ongoing playlist we have two ways + that append our selection last in the playlist and >| play next that chucks our selection rigth into the playlist after the current song .

I need a third mode "play next album" .

I want it to work like this I sometimes lines up 2-4 albums in a row to listen to , but then I change my mind and want to insert another album after what I'm listen to now ,but now I have to wait to the last song of that album and use "play next" .

I usually do these kind of playlist line up a bunch of albums I intend to listen to, I may not finish it in one go. I continue the next day or similar .

it can be some great albums by an artist a genre or just my 2 to 10 latest albums.

Edit: LMS should only offer it when we are listening to anl albums in the playlist, but that should not be rocket science as it was LMS that earlier did add the whole albums to the list .

Echo
2012-06-22, 22:16
What's missing for me is a flexible and intuitive interface for setting up and running automated playback schemes. My daily routine is fairly consistent and I'd like to create a number of unique music play back scenarios for morning and evening listening, for both weekdays and weekends.

I would like to define times periods, players to be included (or removed) from a synchronized group (even during a period), what is played for each player or group, and flexible volume controls. Some of this can be achieved using the alarm function but it's far too limited.

Ikabob
2012-06-24, 03:38
I would like a service that would stream the audio of the many television programs. I can get CNN and HLN via Sirius but I would like to listen to any available TV stream.

MeSue
2012-06-24, 09:12
Here is what's missing for me:

Add to Amazon Wishlist from music services. Current Amazon app only works with CD and only adds to cart.

Slacker App that supports all Premium features of the Slacker service--waiting over a year now for that.

More apps for more music services - Amazon cloud player, Rdio, iHeartRadio, whatever comes next. Seems Logitech develops it and that is the end--it's frozen. And they are really lagging behind in supporting new services and new features that get added to existing services.

Ability to play some files through Squeezebox without having them added to the database.

Some way to adjust replay gain adjustment for local files so there is not a big discrepancy in volume when switching from local music to internet radio or music services. In my system, local files always play considerably lower than other sources.

TheLastMan
2012-06-26, 02:42
Usually most "consumer" users rather than "enthusiasts" want to keep it simple. Most of the suggestions here are from rather hard-core users, as you would expect on a dedicated forum.

Unfortunately Sonos has beaten Squeezebox in this particular format battle. Now when I describe my Squeezebox system to friends they say "oh, you mean it works like a Sonos".

The reason Sonos won is they offer a fully integrated hardware and software system that offers a whole working setup from Speakers, amps, clients and access points making sure they match visually as well as technically - and their bespoke wireless net where every client is also an access point was a stroke of genius that solved the big bug that has forever plagued the Squeezebox.

They keep up with Apple and Microsoft by not relying on either company for any part of their systems - except to make sure their "server" software works on both setups. Even then, I know four people with Sonos systems and none of them run a server, listening entirely through on-line systems like Napster/Rhapsody and Spotify. That means their Sonos systems work completely independently from any other piece of computer hardware in their houses, connecting only at their router.

Hi-fi is a dying hobby. 90%+ of people buying consumer electronics want a whole "system" - in most cases this means just a single "music box"!

They certainly don't want to buy their amplifier from one company, speakers from another, CD player from a third and digital streamer from a fourth.

So, what would most users want from Logitech?

It is probably too late to create their own wireless net, which would probably infringe Sonos patents anyway. However they could sell a
1 - Squeezebox branded wireless access point / bridge / wireless extender

In addition to the Touch and Radio which are fine,
2 - visually matched high quality powered speakers to go with the Touch (not just some crappy PC speakers)

3 - a player with an integrated amplifier (why oh why oh why have they never done this obvious thing!!!)

4 - a player with an integrated amplifier and speakers (Boom II, but prettier)
and because the Squeezebox system is aimed more at those with their own digital music libraries

5 - a dedicated (Linux) server to run the software

I know that 3rd parties have provided all of these at one time or another, but my point is that they have to be visually integrated and produced and supported by Logitech.

Ideally all the components, including the Touch, Radio and new hardware would have a design overhaul to make them prettier. Provide hardware in white as well as black to better match existing interior decor.

That way, somebody could go into an electronics store and buy a complete working Squeezebox system from network and client through to speakers.

Of course this will never happen now. Logitech still had the time to do this when they bought Squeezebox but they failed to put in the necessary investment and commitment and now this technically superior platform (at least as far as the server and clients are concerned) has lost out to the inferior one.

Anybody else remember Betamax?

maggior
2012-06-26, 06:09
I read "3" and thought "uh, that's the Boom", but then I realized you meant something you can connect your own speakers too. In the world of powered speakers, would that really be necessary. Somebody that is inclined to buy their own passive speakers would also be inclined to buy their own amplification. Maybe I'm wrong.

I'm amazed that Sonos has jumped ahead of Logitech with this. Logitech had a huge head start and certainly the brand power to see it through. It upsets me when I go to my local department store (Target) and see a large prominent Sonos display. Sonos is also so expensive!!

I miss the active development of the software. I also think it's time for Boom II.

erland
2012-06-26, 07:33
I'm amazed that Sonos has jumped ahead of Logitech with this. Logitech had a huge head start and certainly the brand power to see it through. It upsets me when I go to my local department store (Target) and see a large prominent Sonos display. Sonos is also so expensive!!

I miss the active development of the software. I also think it's time for Boom II.

So, what's missing, what features do you think would make everyone purchase a Squeezebox instead of Sonos ?

Is it just the lack of hardware with Logitech logo on the front as TheLastMan suggested or is there something we could do in software that would make everyone select a Squeezebox instead of Sonos ?

Also, assuming we prefer the open Squeezebox products in front of the closed Sonos products, is there something we as a community could do to improve the situation ?
All the premature predictions of Squeezebox end of life mentioned in a lot of threads in the forum is definitely a step in the wrong direction, but maybe there is something else we can do ?

maggior
2012-06-26, 09:05
So, what's missing, what features do you think would make everyone purchase a Squeezebox instead of Sonos ?

Is it just the lack of hardware with Logitech logo on the front as TheLastMan suggested or is there something we could do in software that would make everyone select a Squeezebox instead of Sonos ?

Also, assuming we prefer the open Squeezebox products in front of the closed Sonos products, is there something we as a community could do to improve the situation ?
All the premature predictions of Squeezebox end of life mentioned in a lot of threads in the forum is definitely a step in the wrong direction, but maybe there is something else we can do ?

A big part of it is the lack or hardware. You have the radio and the touch - that's it!! And stores like Target aren't shoving them in peoples faces next to the Bose products. Crutchfield doesn't even feature the squeezebox in their catalog anymore - just Sonos. The best, most robust, easiest to use software isn't going to fix these issues.

I'm a hardcore user and an avid music enthusiest. What matters to me isn't going to matter to 90% of the users, so satisfying my needs isn't going to bring droves of new squeezebox users into the fold.

Feature-wise, I'm happy with what we have today. I love that I can easily turn my iOS and Andriod devices into portable squeezeboxes. Software stability is another story. My server stops for no apparent reason. If it doesn't stop by itself, I have to restart it periodically because of a memory leak. The only reason I'm on this version of software is Rhapsody support. The last version of 7.3 was solid as a rock, but doesn't support changes Rhapsody made in their protocol. The LMS versions scare me with all of the problems people reported along the way. Problems were always fixed super fast...not so any more.

Sorry to sound like a sourpus and a negative-nancy, but I think the issues surrounding the squeezebox are beyond help from the community. Logitech needs to relaunch the Squeezebox line with some new exciting hardware and marketing support.

TheLastMan
2012-06-27, 04:12
I read "3" and thought "uh, that's the Boom", but then I realized you meant something you can connect your own speakers too. In the world of powered speakers, would that really be necessary. Somebody that is inclined to buy their own passive speakers would also be inclined to buy their own amplification. Maybe I'm wrong.About 90% of speakers made and sold through your usual "consumer electronics" retailers are passive. The only active speakers most people have easy access to are the cheap ones that are sold for computers. Three of the four Sonos systems I have seen were professionally installed multi-room setups with speakers mounted high up on walls or built in to the ceiling. These need amplification and it made the installation a lot simpler to use amplified Sonos boxes.


I'm amazed that Sonos has jumped ahead of Logitech with this. Logitech had a huge head start and certainly the brand power to see it through. It upsets me when I go to my local department store (Target) and see a large prominent Sonos display. Sonos is also so expensive!!Totally agree! Mind you most of the people I know who have bought Sonos don't really have to worry about money! I remember talking to one and said that I had gone for Squeezebox partly because Sonos was so expensive. She looked at me as though I was mad "no it isn't, its really cheap!" was her reply. After further interrogation it turned out that she had also asked her installer to quote for a Linn based wired multi-room system that was going to cost about £20,000! So £2,000 for a couple of Sonos boxes and some wall mounted speakers sounded cheap to her. The Sonos installation was after all only for their weekend "cottage" in Suffolk so she was not looking for sonic perfection...

When I told her that my Squeezeboxes plugged into my existing hi-fi setup and cost a total of less than £400 she looked at me as if I had just suggested she should ditch Harvey Nichols and start buying her clothes at Primark!! (you have to be English to understand the implications of that...)

TheLastMan
2012-06-27, 04:32
Logitech needs to relaunch the Squeezebox line with some new exciting hardware and marketing support.Yep, that is exactly what they have to do. They won't though. My favourite discount hi-fi retailer, Superfi, has just stopped stocking any Squeezebox stuff. John Lewis used to be an enthusiastic Squeezebox seller and no longer does so (sells the complete Sonos range though).

In the UK, only on-line retailers stock Squeezebox hardware these days. Not even "end of line" sale outlets like Richer Sounds stock it. Many have predicted the demise of Squeezebox before, but to all intents and purposes, it has happened already in the UK :-(

I have no idea what I will do when Logitech finally stop supporting the system and turns off the MySqueezebox web site.

erland
2012-06-27, 04:49
I have no idea what I will do when Logitech finally stop supporting the system and turns off the MySqueezebox web site.

Can't you just run a local LMS on a computer ?

maggior
2012-06-27, 06:07
...she looked at me as if I had just suggested she should ditch Harvey Nichols and start buying her clothes at Primark!! (you have to be English to understand the implications of that...)

That's funny! I'll attempt a translation: "...ditch Talbots and start buying her clothes at WalMart". Too extreme? :-).

On a serious note, I tend toward blind optimism and I hate being negative. However, with the way things have been with Squeezebox, even my blind optimism is wearing thin. I still hold onto the fact that I may find myself pleasantly surprised in the near future :-).

fredgoodman
2012-06-27, 08:35
I find two real obstacles in using LMS: searching and streaming.

1) Searching in LMS is primitive. Maybe this is not so much a problem for listeners to other music types, but it is a problem for me since I listen mostly to classical music. What is needed is a search that searches in all tag fields for all words with an (implicit) boolean AND.

Here is how I actually search: I search in iTunes, copy the appropriate album or track result, paste into a word processor, copy an appropriate piece of the result, and finally paste that into the LMS search box. Clumsy, but I can actually find things this way.

I could give examples, but I don't want to make this too long.

2) Many streaming sources do not allow or provide a URL that can be pasted directly into LMS. The only way I have found to get them into LMS is to play them on a computer (with sound muted), rebroadcast locally using Nicecast, and point LMS to the Nicecast stream. There should be a way to do all of this inside LMS. For example, there could be a mini web browser inside the LMS web interface in which one could choose the desired stream, which would then play through LMS.

erland
2012-06-27, 08:44
1) Searching in LMS is primitive. Maybe this is not so much a problem for listeners to other music types, but it is a problem for me since I listen mostly to classical music. What is needed is a search that searches in all tag fields for all words with an (implicit) boolean AND.

Here is how I actually search: I search in iTunes, copy the appropriate album or track result, paste into a word processor, copy an appropriate piece of the result, and finally paste that into the LMS search box. Clumsy, but I can actually find things this way.

I could give examples, but I don't want to make this too long.

If your wishes where fulfilled, would you like to perform the search using a IR remote, tablet, smart phone or computer ?



2) Many streaming sources do not allow or provide a URL that can be pasted directly into LMS. The only way I have found to get them into LMS is to play them on a computer (with sound muted), rebroadcast locally using Nicecast, and point LMS to the Nicecast stream. There should be a way to do all of this inside LMS. For example, there could be a mini web browser inside the LMS web interface in which one could choose the desired stream, which would then play through LMS.

Could you give some examples of what streams you are talking about ?

pippin
2012-06-27, 09:14
2) Many streaming sources do not allow or provide a URL that can be pasted directly into LMS. The only way I have found to get them into LMS is to play them on a computer (with sound muted), rebroadcast locally using Nicecast, and point LMS to the Nicecast stream. There should be a way to do all of this inside LMS. For example, there could be a mini web browser inside the LMS web interface in which one could choose the desired stream, which would then play through LMS.

If you are using an iPhone or iPad: iPeng has exactly that.

fredgoodman
2012-06-27, 09:46
If your wishes where fulfilled, would you like to perform the search using a IR remote, tablet, smart phone or computer ?


Could you give some examples of what streams you are talking about ?

Searching: Computer. I have LMS running on a desktop computer. I access LMS via the web interface on a laptop.

Streaming: I have to admit I haven't thought this through so well, and don't have an array of examples to illustrate various possibilities. Here is one:
Chicago Symphony Orchestra makes on demand broadcasts of recent concerts available. They link to soundcloud:

http://soundcloud.com/chicagosymphony

The links from soundcloud play directly from the web browser and cannot be pasted into LMS. I have no idea whatever in what format the stream is broadcast.

I'll try to find some other examples eventually.

pippin
2012-06-27, 09:59
SoundCloud plays through HTML 5 on the web site.
It's one of these examples that work from iPeng but it's difficult. Soundcloud links expire after a few seconds so you can't re-play them and if you pause them, they are gone.
You'd need native support for SoundCloud's API to do any better than that, e.g. through a plugin but the one plugin for SoundCloud that is available doesn't do it.

There's quite a layer of authentication being done when resolving the link which is why you can't just paste them into LMS, LMS - unlike your browser - is not authorized to play these links.

adamdea
2012-06-27, 14:58
I have posted this elsewhere but, in case anyone is listening, the thing missing from my squeezebox experience is the ability to read booklet / lyrics information which comes with the cd and could be scanned, or which can be downloaded with the flac files. For opera and lieder the ability to read along can be very important. At the moment I have to keep the box set out.

I understand this may be tricky, but for me it is necessary to complete the experience you get from the physical medium.

Fahzz
2012-06-27, 17:41
What is missing from your Squeezebox experience ?

What's missing from my Experience can be found in the upper left corner of this post...

Sorry, but I just had to!

garym
2012-06-27, 20:32
I'm honestly pretty happy. All my stuff works together well, audio quality is good, sync works well. Erlands plugins are very useful, particularly dynamic playlist.

I would like faster/more access to services. For example, wolfgangs vault has been on Sonos a while. And we've lost live music archive.

sherington
2012-06-28, 00:32
I find two real obstacles in using LMS: searching and streaming.

1) Searching in LMS is primitive. Maybe this is not so much a problem for listeners to other music types, but it is a problem for me since I listen mostly to classical music. What is needed is a search that searches in all tag fields for all words with an (implicit) boolean AND.

Here is how I actually search: I search in iTunes, copy the appropriate album or track result, paste into a word processor, copy an appropriate piece of the result, and finally paste that into the LMS search box. Clumsy, but I can actually find things this way.

I could give examples, but I don't want to make this too long.

2) Many streaming sources do not allow or provide a URL that can be pasted directly into LMS. The only way I have found to get them into LMS is to play them on a computer (with sound muted), rebroadcast locally using Nicecast, and point LMS to the Nicecast stream. There should be a way to do all of this inside LMS. For example, there could be a mini web browser inside the LMS web interface in which one could choose the desired stream, which would then play through LMS.

.. would be Muso - http://klarita.net/muso.html - I am just trialling it but it really is exceptionally good.

Andrew

sherington
2012-06-28, 00:41
I have posted this elsewhere but, in case anyone is listening, the thing missing from my squeezebox experience is the ability to read booklet / lyrics information which comes with the cd and could be scanned, or which can be downloaded with the flac files. For opera and lieder the ability to read along can be very important. At the moment I have to keep the box set out.

I understand this may be tricky, but for me it is necessary to complete the experience you get from the physical medium.

Muso - http://klarita.net/muso.html - it certainly allows you to read a number of graphics files, but I have not done this. Might be worth a look - I have a strong feeling that not nearly enough people know about this system. I have not bought it yet but have been hugely impressed by the support I have received (My system was to blame for my issues, not Muso) and by the simplicity with which you can manage a large set of music files and by the currrent level of integration with LMS.

Andrew

adamdea
2012-06-28, 01:08
Muso - http://klarita.net/muso.html - it certainly allows you to read a number of graphics files, but I have not done this. Might be worth a look - I have a strong feeling that not nearly enough people know about this system. I have not bought it yet but have been hugely impressed by the support I have received (My system was to blame for my issues, not Muso) and by the simplicity with which you can manage a large set of music files and by the currrent level of integration with LMS.

Andrew I tried muso in the past and did not particularly like it; maybe I should try again.
I have to say incidentally that I find searching on ipeng adequate ( even for classical music ) and am puzzled at why someone would need to use iTunes . Also are there plugins already which impreove on searching?
. Is it possible to run or controll it from am iPad.? If not I can't see the point from the perspective of reading notes because this would be easy on a laptop or pc anyway.

Ikabob
2012-06-30, 03:48
I am very satisfied with the functionality of my Squeezeboxes. I LOVE them... Truly love them. Last night we were without electricity for about 10 hours and I really missed them even more than I missed my coffee maker this morning. The electric came on at about 6:30 and I'm now enjoying my music plus a great cup of javvvahhhah. I'm a very happy camper.

To answer the main question about what I'd like to have added to the Squeezebox experience...I would like to have "making and saving playlist" capabilities while using mysb.com. Maybe it exists and I'm unaware. To my knowledge you can only save playlists via LMS.

tbee
2012-06-30, 04:11
What I seem to be missing (and I wonder if I'm overlooking something) is the fact that nowhere I can find a list of active alarms and when they will trigger. I would have expected this on the stand-by clock screen, somewhere below the alarm bell icon.

toby10
2012-06-30, 04:44
Player > Settings > Alarm Clock, all set Alarms are listed. You can move Alarm Clock folder to your Home menu for easier access.
Might check with the author of the Custom Clock applette, maybe that person can add the "next scheduled alarm" to the clock screen.

fredgoodman
2012-07-01, 14:46
Thanks for the tips about searching. I don't have an IOS device so I don't get to try iPeng, and I don't have a windows machine, so I don't get to try museo.

As for why LMS search is inadequate for my needs, I see that I have posted previously about this: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?85325-Search-algorithm

Basically, one and the same piece might be labelled "Brahms: Quintet for Piano and Strings" on one album, "Brahms: Klaverquintett" on another, "Brahms: Piano quintet" on another, etc. The performances might be found on albums with titles like "Brahms and Schumann: Piano Quintets", "Brahms chamber works", etc.

LMS search is not capable of finding these (say at the cost of also finding just a few other things). The search "Brahms quint" will find all of them (as well as Brahms quintets for other instrument combinations) on iTunes. That is why I often resort to searches on iTunes before playing something via LMS.

diego32
2012-07-06, 08:48
I've been pretty happy with Slimdevices for many years. My Duet hardware works flawlessly as do the booms and various revisions of classics around the house. Only recently has my enjoyment been reduced by the fact that Squeeze does not fully support Slacker Premium service. Slacker is my preferred service and I want the functionality in Premium. The content is what is important, and the hardware is just a means to it. If Sonos or other hardware fully support the content I want, then that's where I have to go.

Right now I feel like I support two brilliant businesses (Slacker/Squeezebox) that have been beat out by more flexible and creative rivals (Pandora/Sonos). Still rooting for the good guys, but my experience is worse and my patience is waning.

Honva
2012-07-13, 16:22
What I really miss and want is the ability of squeezebox to pause and rewind live internet radio and to schedule recordings. Hope that it will do radio just like what a PVR could do to TV channels. It should be easy for logitech to add that function to the media server.

banned for life
2012-07-17, 18:02
Pay for browse by letter from the popular plugin.

Ikabob
2012-08-21, 09:20
Old thread but new idea. As I am now leaving my house and saying goodbye to my beautiful Squeezebox music, it just hit me!

We could use a mobile Squeezebox application to use in the car. We'd never have to leave the Squeezebox experience behind.
What do you think?

DubMarc
2012-08-21, 11:01
I know that Apple limits the rate at which you can stream, but I would vote for a pseudo-stream option where I either load up my iPhone ahead of time (a la iTunes) or let it buffer for a while to accomplish the same result. Then be able to output at something like VBR 0. I got a Squeezebox because I wanted to improve the fidelity for home listening, but for car or at work, I either need to sacrifice audio quality or integrated playlist and statistics management. I don't need to listen to lossless in the car (well, unless I'm parked), but would like better than 128k.

aubuti
2012-08-21, 11:15
We could use a mobile Squeezebox application to use in the car. We'd never have to leave the Squeezebox experience behind.
Aren't people already doing that with the iPhones and the iPeng-as-player add-on? And maybe with comparable hardware/software for Android devices?

Ikabob
2012-08-21, 13:12
Aren't people already doing that with the iPhones and the iPeng-as-player add-on? And maybe with comparable hardware/software for Android devices?

I am not sure what that add-on is but if it is the ipeng playback add on, I didn't know it would work that way away from my router. That's cool if it will work in my car. Thanks.

garym
2012-08-21, 13:17
I am not sure what that add-on is but if it is the ipeng playback add on, I didn't know it would work that way away from my router. That's cool if it will work in my car. Thanks.

this might help.

http://penguinlovesmusic.de/ipeng-the-iphone-skin-for-squeezecenter/how-to-use-the-ipeng-application/known-issues/coolios-guide-to-remote-playback/

pippin
2012-08-21, 13:31
It works with iPeng and you can also set a higher limit for the bitrate (there's a "Bitrate limiting" menu in the player settings for iPeng playback.
It's bending Apple's rules a bit (by default it's set to the 128kbps limit for 3G) but so far they didn't complain.

Caching would be nice and it's on my to-do-list forever but it means I also have to implement a whole new player control since the Squeezebox Server system always requires a working live connection.

maggior
2012-08-21, 13:35
Aren't people already doing that with the iPhones and the iPeng-as-player add-on? And maybe with comparable hardware/software for Android devices?

Yes, this is easily done on Andriod devices too with SqueezePlayer and either Orange Squeeze or Squeeze Commander. I don't have an andriod phone, but on my andriod tablet and my andriod media player, I remotely stream while on travel all of the time.

DubMarc
2012-08-21, 14:26
It works with iPeng and you can also set a higher limit for the bitrate (there's a "Bitrate limiting" menu in the player settings for iPeng playback.
It's bending Apple's rules a bit (by default it's set to the 128kbps limit for 3G) but so far they didn't complain.

Caching would be nice and it's on my to-do-list forever but it means I also have to implement a whole new player control since the Squeezebox Server system always requires a working live connection.

Excellent! I missed that bolded part. And look forward to someday caching, as well :).

Ikabob
2012-08-21, 15:30
Thank you all very much. It's nice to know that Squeezebox can be remotely accessed. The Squeezebox ecosystem keeps getting better and better!

fuzzyT
2012-08-23, 10:55
> aubuti wrote: That's
> cool if it will work in my car. Thanks.

Yes, yes it will. And is.