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David Jameson
2004-10-27, 12:40
I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do DVD
streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly - the
AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the VideoLAN
streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've already posted on
their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices did it.


You GOTTA do a DVD system......hurry, hurry, hurry.


David Jameson

--
_______

Jonathan Greene
2004-10-27, 12:51
FWIW... I can stream VOB files through an Eyehome from El Gato. It's
Mac only though I've read of people using software from neuston.com on
their PC getting it to work as well.


On Oct 27, 2004, at 3:40 PM, David Jameson wrote:

> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do
> DVD
> streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly - the
> AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the VideoLAN
> streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've already posted
> on
> their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices did it.
>
>
> You GOTTA do a DVD system......hurry, hurry, hurry.
>
>
> David Jameson
>
> --
> _______
>
>
>
>

Anthony Webb
2004-10-27, 13:21
do you mean that they are using the "eye home" with server software from
nueston.com, or they bought the virtuoso 500 from neuston.com and are using
that instead of the "eye home"?

My only hang up has been that I wasnt sure if I wanted to buy a mac to play
my vob's, but if I could getting it working in a pc environment... ahhh
bliss.....

Of course the best thing would be to see slim get on the ball, or maybe a
spin off? Wonder who oem's the "eye home" maybe theres some opportunity
there to only have to worry about the server side, which slim is a real pro
at....




----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Greene" <atmasphere (AT) atmasphere (DOT) net>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:51 PM
Subject: [slim] PLEASE - you gotta do a DVD system


> FWIW... I can stream VOB files through an Eyehome from El Gato. It's Mac
> only though I've read of people using software from neuston.com on their
> PC getting it to work as well.
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2004, at 3:40 PM, David Jameson wrote:
>
>> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do DVD
>> streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly - the
>> AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the VideoLAN
>> streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've already posted on
>> their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices did it.
>>
>>
>> You GOTTA do a DVD system......hurry, hurry, hurry.
>>
>>
>> David Jameson
>>
>> --
>> _______
>>
>>
>>
>>

Jonathan Greene
2004-10-27, 13:34
From what I understand people have played with the nueston software on
a PC and somehow connected it to an Eyehome. The only avenue I've seen
as a development angle is the plugin system el gato has developed, but
so far it is for all but the eyehome. It works on their DVR products
so far...


On Oct 27, 2004, at 4:21 PM, Anthony Webb wrote:

> do you mean that they are using the "eye home" with server software
> from nueston.com, or they bought the virtuoso 500 from neuston.com and
> are using that instead of the "eye home"?
>
> My only hang up has been that I wasnt sure if I wanted to buy a mac
> to play my vob's, but if I could getting it working in a pc
> environment... ahhh bliss.....
>
> Of course the best thing would be to see slim get on the ball, or
> maybe a spin off? Wonder who oem's the "eye home" maybe theres some
> opportunity there to only have to worry about the server side, which
> slim is a real pro at....
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Greene"
> <atmasphere (AT) atmasphere (DOT) net>
> To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:51 PM
> Subject: [slim] PLEASE - you gotta do a DVD system
>
>
>> FWIW... I can stream VOB files through an Eyehome from El Gato. It's
>> Mac only though I've read of people using software from neuston.com
>> on their PC getting it to work as well.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2004, at 3:40 PM, David Jameson wrote:
>>
>>> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do
>>> DVD
>>> streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly -
>>> the
>>> AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the VideoLAN
>>> streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've already
>>> posted on
>>> their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices did it.
>>>
>>>
>>> You GOTTA do a DVD system......hurry, hurry, hurry.
>>>
>>>
>>> David Jameson
>>>
>>> --
>>> _______
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Richard Purdie
2004-10-28, 02:13
David Jameson:
> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do DVD
> streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly - the
> AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the VideoLAN
> streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've already posted on
> their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices did it.

The other way to do it is to have a heavier client. Something like the
processor box I've built for my in-car device (http://www.rpsys.net/myc3/)
can certainly play video... (it has monitor, S-Video and composite outputs)

In fact if specifically running as a set-top player, you could remove the
harddisk and simplify the PSU massively which would make the device smaller.
I think you can get CPU boards that run at a slower speed (600Mhz?) which
can run fanless if that's what you want. It could boot either from a linux
server over the network or from CompactFlash card and read video files from
any kind of network connection you want (smb share?). It would play them
using a Linux video player of your choice.

The only bit that would need developing would be a control interface. You
could use the headunit I developed for my car project and write something
that interfaced it the IR control to the video player's controls. That would
be the start of "SlimVideoServer" :).

It really wouldn't be that difficult to do...

I'm not sure this list is the place to discuss it but I'm happy to do so on
http://tim.rpsys.net/mailman/listinfo/myc3.

Of course if Slim Devices want to produce a device themselves, that would be
even better... :)

--
RP

Mark Bennett
2004-10-28, 09:38
I'm likely to start looking at installing MythTV on my SlimServer
Linux box in the near future. It seems to me that it pretty much
does most of the things you'd want a home convergence box to do,
including streaming DVD's (with some reported success from VOBs).

Also seems to be massively scaleable with multiple server/client
capability (although all I really want is the PVR functionality).

I don't know much about it yet (just subscribed to mailing list
which seems to be around twice as active as this one), but more
details can be found at: http://www.mythtv.org/

I think I've seen it mentioned on this forum once or twice, and
it looks pretty interesting.

Richard Purdie wrote:
> David Jameson:
>
>> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do
>> DVD streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly
>> - the AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the
>> VideoLAN streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've
>> already posted on their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices
>> did it.
>
>
> The other way to do it is to have a heavier client. Something like the
> processor box I've built for my in-car device
> (http://www.rpsys.net/myc3/) can certainly play video... (it has
> monitor, S-Video and composite outputs)
>
> In fact if specifically running as a set-top player, you could remove
> the harddisk and simplify the PSU massively which would make the device
> smaller. I think you can get CPU boards that run at a slower speed
> (600Mhz?) which can run fanless if that's what you want. It could boot
> either from a linux server over the network or from CompactFlash card
> and read video files from any kind of network connection you want (smb
> share?). It would play them using a Linux video player of your choice.
>
> The only bit that would need developing would be a control interface.
> You could use the headunit I developed for my car project and write
> something that interfaced it the IR control to the video player's
> controls. That would be the start of "SlimVideoServer" :).
>
> It really wouldn't be that difficult to do...
>
> I'm not sure this list is the place to discuss it but I'm happy to do so
> on http://tim.rpsys.net/mailman/listinfo/myc3.
>
> Of course if Slim Devices want to produce a device themselves, that
> would be even better... :)
>

Michael Alletto
2004-10-28, 09:58
The only things I don't like about myth tv is it does TOO much. I
don't need PVR. I don't need tv guides. I also don't like that I
would need a PC down where my TV is. I want a simple, self contained
box that fits in nicely with the other stuff that pulls across my
network the video files.

Basically Squeezebox: Video Edition. :)


On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:38:18 +0100, Mark Bennett <mark (AT) markandliz (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
> I'm likely to start looking at installing MythTV on my SlimServer
> Linux box in the near future. It seems to me that it pretty much
> does most of the things you'd want a home convergence box to do,
> including streaming DVD's (with some reported success from VOBs).
>
> Also seems to be massively scaleable with multiple server/client
> capability (although all I really want is the PVR functionality).
>
> I don't know much about it yet (just subscribed to mailing list
> which seems to be around twice as active as this one), but more
> details can be found at: http://www.mythtv.org/
>
> I think I've seen it mentioned on this forum once or twice, and
> it looks pretty interesting.
>
>
>
> Richard Purdie wrote:
> > David Jameson:
> >
> >> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do
> >> DVD streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly
> >> - the AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the
> >> VideoLAN streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've
> >> already posted on their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices
> >> did it.
> >
> >
> > The other way to do it is to have a heavier client. Something like the
> > processor box I've built for my in-car device
> > (http://www.rpsys.net/myc3/) can certainly play video... (it has
> > monitor, S-Video and composite outputs)
> >
> > In fact if specifically running as a set-top player, you could remove
> > the harddisk and simplify the PSU massively which would make the device
> > smaller. I think you can get CPU boards that run at a slower speed
> > (600Mhz?) which can run fanless if that's what you want. It could boot
> > either from a linux server over the network or from CompactFlash card
> > and read video files from any kind of network connection you want (smb
> > share?). It would play them using a Linux video player of your choice.
> >
> > The only bit that would need developing would be a control interface.
> > You could use the headunit I developed for my car project and write
> > something that interfaced it the IR control to the video player's
> > controls. That would be the start of "SlimVideoServer" :).
> >
> > It really wouldn't be that difficult to do...
> >
> > I'm not sure this list is the place to discuss it but I'm happy to do so
> > on http://tim.rpsys.net/mailman/listinfo/myc3.
> >
> > Of course if Slim Devices want to produce a device themselves, that
> > would be even better... :)
> >
>

Neil Davidson
2004-10-28, 12:24
If you are going to go to all that trouble for a home brew system, you
should look at MythTV (http://www.mythtv.org, http://www.mythtv.info)
along with MiniMyth which is built for Epia M diskless network booting
front ends. This will boot over a network and is a complete PVR and
multimedia server for the whole house.

It is aimed at the PVR functions more than just DVD playback, but it might
give you ideas.

> David Jameson:
>> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do DVD
>> streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly - the
>> AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the VideoLAN
>> streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've already posted on
>> their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices did it.
>
> The other way to do it is to have a heavier client. Something like the
> processor box I've built for my in-car device (http://www.rpsys.net/myc3/)
> can certainly play video... (it has monitor, S-Video and composite
> outputs)
>
> In fact if specifically running as a set-top player, you could remove the
> harddisk and simplify the PSU massively which would make the device
> smaller.
> I think you can get CPU boards that run at a slower speed (600Mhz?) which
> can run fanless if that's what you want. It could boot either from a linux
> server over the network or from CompactFlash card and read video files
> from
> any kind of network connection you want (smb share?). It would play them
> using a Linux video player of your choice.
>
> The only bit that would need developing would be a control interface. You
> could use the headunit I developed for my car project and write something
> that interfaced it the IR control to the video player's controls. That
> would
> be the start of "SlimVideoServer" :).
>
> It really wouldn't be that difficult to do...
>
> I'm not sure this list is the place to discuss it but I'm happy to do so
> on
> http://tim.rpsys.net/mailman/listinfo/myc3.
>
> Of course if Slim Devices want to produce a device themselves, that would
> be
> even better... :)
>
> --
> RP
>
>

kdf
2004-10-28, 16:07
Quoting Michael Alletto <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:

> The only things I don't like about myth tv is it does TOO much. I
> don't need PVR. I don't need tv guides. I also don't like that I
> would need a PC down where my TV is. I want a simple, self contained
> box that fits in nicely with the other stuff that pulls across my
> network the video files.
>
> Basically Squeezebox: Video Edition. :)
>

inevitably followed by requests for listing grids, and queries about recording a
cataloguing...probably resulting in disappointment from those who would want a
lean client. I'd also hate to see the result of slimserver having to manage
video, and the backlash from the audio only fans. call me cynical, but I
personally hope this particular thing doesn't end up as yet another pet cause
pressure group.

-kdf

David Jameson
2004-10-28, 19:02
Actually, the whole point is that I DON'T want to go to a lot of trouble - I
spend my professional life as a software developer (and enjoy it) but I
don't particularly want to spend my free time messing with this stuff....I'm
willing to buy the boxes - I don't want to spend time building that stuff -
I've got other hobbies :-)

D



"Neil Davidson" <lists (AT) backslash (DOT) co.uk> wrote in
message news:42170.143.97.2.35.1098991478.squirrel (AT) 143 (DOT) 97.2.35...
> If you are going to go to all that trouble for a home brew system, you
> should look at MythTV (http://www.mythtv.org, http://www.mythtv.info)
> along with MiniMyth which is built for Epia M diskless network booting
> front ends. This will boot over a network and is a complete PVR and
> multimedia server for the whole house.
>
> It is aimed at the PVR functions more than just DVD playback, but it might
> give you ideas.
>
>> David Jameson:
>>> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do DVD
>>> streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly - the
>>> AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the VideoLAN
>>> streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've already posted on
>>> their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices did it.
>>
>> The other way to do it is to have a heavier client. Something like the
>> processor box I've built for my in-car device
>> (http://www.rpsys.net/myc3/)
>> can certainly play video... (it has monitor, S-Video and composite
>> outputs)
>>
>> In fact if specifically running as a set-top player, you could remove the
>> harddisk and simplify the PSU massively which would make the device
>> smaller.
>> I think you can get CPU boards that run at a slower speed (600Mhz?) which
>> can run fanless if that's what you want. It could boot either from a
>> linux
>> server over the network or from CompactFlash card and read video files
>> from
>> any kind of network connection you want (smb share?). It would play them
>> using a Linux video player of your choice.
>>
>> The only bit that would need developing would be a control interface. You
>> could use the headunit I developed for my car project and write something
>> that interfaced it the IR control to the video player's controls. That
>> would
>> be the start of "SlimVideoServer" :).
>>
>> It really wouldn't be that difficult to do...
>>
>> I'm not sure this list is the place to discuss it but I'm happy to do so
>> on
>> http://tim.rpsys.net/mailman/listinfo/myc3.
>>
>> Of course if Slim Devices want to produce a device themselves, that would
>> be
>> even better... :)
>>
>> --
>> RP
>>
>>

David Jameson
2004-10-28, 19:03
I don't want to build - I want to buy the boxes - connect them to a Linux
server and be done! For me, the point is to have access to my music (and
movies) - not the hacking of the hardware or the software.

D


"Richard Purdie" <rpurdie (AT) rpsys (DOT) net> wrote in
message news:015301c4bcce$76850350$0f01a8c0 (AT) max (DOT) ..
> David Jameson:
>> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do DVD
>> streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly - the
>> AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the VideoLAN
>> streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've already posted on
>> their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices did it.
>
> The other way to do it is to have a heavier client. Something like the
> processor box I've built for my in-car device (http://www.rpsys.net/myc3/)
> can certainly play video... (it has monitor, S-Video and composite
> outputs)
>
> In fact if specifically running as a set-top player, you could remove the
> harddisk and simplify the PSU massively which would make the device
> smaller. I think you can get CPU boards that run at a slower speed
> (600Mhz?) which can run fanless if that's what you want. It could boot
> either from a linux server over the network or from CompactFlash card and
> read video files from any kind of network connection you want (smb
> share?). It would play them using a Linux video player of your choice.
>
> The only bit that would need developing would be a control interface. You
> could use the headunit I developed for my car project and write something
> that interfaced it the IR control to the video player's controls. That
> would be the start of "SlimVideoServer" :).
>
> It really wouldn't be that difficult to do...
>
> I'm not sure this list is the place to discuss it but I'm happy to do so
> on http://tim.rpsys.net/mailman/listinfo/myc3.
>
> Of course if Slim Devices want to produce a device themselves, that would
> be even better... :)
>
> --
> RP

Michael Alletto
2004-10-28, 22:41
I just want to buy it and be done with it also. If the hardware has
enough power to decode and stream multiple video streams and the
software is open then users can add whatever they want to it after the
fact.


On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:03:52 -0400, David Jameson <david (AT) digiportal (DOT) com> wrote:
> I don't want to build - I want to buy the boxes - connect them to a Linux
> server and be done! For me, the point is to have access to my music (and
> movies) - not the hacking of the hardware or the software.
>
> D
>
> "Richard Purdie" <rpurdie (AT) rpsys (DOT) net> wrote in
> message news:015301c4bcce$76850350$0f01a8c0 (AT) max (DOT) ..
>
>
> > David Jameson:
> >> I've been pulling my hair out experimenting with other systems to do DVD
> >> streaming - the ROKU system (HD1000) doesn't handle VOBs properly - the
> >> AminoNet110 looks great (yes, you can buy it easily) but the VideoLAN
> >> streaming system sucks big loud raspberry noises. I've already posted on
> >> their site telling them to look at how SlimDevices did it.
> >
> > The other way to do it is to have a heavier client. Something like the
> > processor box I've built for my in-car device (http://www.rpsys.net/myc3/)
> > can certainly play video... (it has monitor, S-Video and composite
> > outputs)
> >
> > In fact if specifically running as a set-top player, you could remove the
> > harddisk and simplify the PSU massively which would make the device
> > smaller. I think you can get CPU boards that run at a slower speed
> > (600Mhz?) which can run fanless if that's what you want. It could boot
> > either from a linux server over the network or from CompactFlash card and
> > read video files from any kind of network connection you want (smb
> > share?). It would play them using a Linux video player of your choice.
> >
> > The only bit that would need developing would be a control interface. You
> > could use the headunit I developed for my car project and write something
> > that interfaced it the IR control to the video player's controls. That
> > would be the start of "SlimVideoServer" :).
> >
> > It really wouldn't be that difficult to do...
> >
> > I'm not sure this list is the place to discuss it but I'm happy to do so
> > on http://tim.rpsys.net/mailman/listinfo/myc3.
> >
> > Of course if Slim Devices want to produce a device themselves, that would
> > be even better... :)
> >
> > --
> > RP
>
>

P McDowell
2004-10-29, 03:20
"Michael Alletto" <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
in message news:49536fef04102822414e5e2002 (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
>I just want to buy it and be done with it also. If the hardware has
> enough power to decode and stream multiple video streams and the
> software is open then users can add whatever they want to it after the
> fact.
>

There is a lot going on with the Hauppauge MediaMVP at the moment to get it
playing from NFS etc.
Check this page and its various external links
http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net/idx.php?pg=main

Anthony Webb
2004-10-29, 06:42
Actually I would like to reaffirm that this IS NOT a slippery slope into a
slim PVR, there are already pvr systems out there like MYTH and TIVO that do
that work just fine. What there is a huge lack of are media players that
will handle DVD ISO's, vob files, etc...

Having your video on a device like the squeezebox definitely has merit. It
fills that same gap for the dvd and movie enthusiast that the squeezeboz
fills for music. And is a market that needs some helps from people who
understand and listen to what the customer wants, no better team at this
than slim devices IMHO...


----- Original Message -----
From: "kdf" <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:07 PM
Subject: [slim] PLEASE - you gotta do a DVD system


> Quoting Michael Alletto <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:
>
>> The only things I don't like about myth tv is it does TOO much. I
>> don't need PVR. I don't need tv guides. I also don't like that I
>> would need a PC down where my TV is. I want a simple, self contained
>> box that fits in nicely with the other stuff that pulls across my
>> network the video files.
>>
>> Basically Squeezebox: Video Edition. :)
>>
>
> inevitably followed by requests for listing grids, and queries about
> recording a
> cataloguing...probably resulting in disappointment from those who would
> want a
> lean client. I'd also hate to see the result of slimserver having to
> manage
> video, and the backlash from the audio only fans. call me cynical, but I
> personally hope this particular thing doesn't end up as yet another pet
> cause
> pressure group.
>
> -kdf
>

David Jameson
2004-10-29, 14:09
I've already looked at it - no decent Linux support

D



"P McDowell" <pmcdowell (AT) paradise (DOT) net.nz> wrote in
message news:clt5hn$mdd$1 (AT) sea (DOT) gmane.org...
>
> "Michael Alletto" <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
> in message
> news:49536fef04102822414e5e2002 (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
>>I just want to buy it and be done with it also. If the hardware has
>> enough power to decode and stream multiple video streams and the
>> software is open then users can add whatever they want to it after the
>> fact.
>>
>
> There is a lot going on with the Hauppauge MediaMVP at the moment to get
> it playing from NFS etc.
> Check this page and its various external links
> http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net/idx.php?pg=main

David Jameson
2004-10-29, 14:10
EXACTLY!!!
>
> Having your video on a device like the squeezebox definitely has merit.
> It fills that same gap for the dvd and movie enthusiast that the
> squeezeboz fills for music. And is a market that needs some helps from
> people who understand and listen to what the customer wants, no better
> team at this than slim devices IMHO...
>