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vinhattieu
2012-03-08, 03:42
My friend is thinking of buying a Touch, but he still hesitates because it has been several years since Touch was released. Anybody have any idea of a Touch 2 in the near future?

P.S: I've read people on this forum talking about Logitech putting an end to the Squeezebox line. My god, I hope it won't happen.

garym
2012-03-08, 05:54
This reminds me of friends in the 1990s saying, "computers are getting cheaper and better every year so I'll wait to buy one later." Taken to the extreme, these friends would have reached 2012 never having owned a computer. If your friend wants a high quality, inexpensive network music player, he should get a TOUCH now. Heck, I have two extra TOUCH players purchased on sale that I don't even use now stored as backups should something break in my other units (and at that time in the future, TOUCH players aren't available).

and besides, once you have a SB player, you are likely to figure out that you need more. So if a touch2 comes out, it can be added to your friend's system in some other use. Heck, I started out just wanting a BOOM as a bedside internet radio. See my signature for SB stuff now.... ;-)

vinhattieu
2012-03-08, 06:59
Well, I understand your argument, but the thing is the Touch has been in the market for a long (if not too long) time, and it would be reasonable to assume that Logitech is gonna introduce a new Squeezebox in a near future. My friend just doesn't want to buy Touch 1 today and feel cheated a week later when Touch 2 hits the stores.

garym
2012-03-08, 07:04
The catch-22 here is that logitech doesn't announce future new products. We'll just have to wait until it happens. could be next week, could be two years. The TOUCH is not really that old given the historic product release pattern of SB Players.

I'm just guessing, but I'd bet on something like a BOOM II (a boom with the display/guts of the radio/touch. But a BoomII doesn't really take the place of a TOUCH for use in connecting with a stereo system.

your momo
2012-03-08, 14:10
Go for Touch now, this is a good pick. Every new SB annoucement get leaked on this forum, so I can bet there is no plan for any Touch HW refresh in the next six month. The only news is that Logitech will not drop the ball and that next product might strongly contain speakers ...so no Touch2 yet.

aubuti
2012-03-08, 14:22
My friend is thinking of buying a Touch, but he still hesitates because it has been several years since Touch was released.
Several years?! Try a little less than two (released April 2010, see http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_comparison).

I have strong doubts that there will be a Touch 2, so if your friend wants the latest SB, get a Touch now.

zowie
2012-03-14, 14:04
If the touch suits his needs he should buy it and be happy with it. Just because something "better" hits the market doesn't make the performance of whatever came before it any worse. It is still the exact same item he bought!

This is a psychological phenomenon I don't understand. It affects audiophiles hard, but certainly not exclusively.

Mnyb
2012-03-14, 19:42
2 years is not long for this kind of product and it is upgradeable and gets continius upgrades all the time.

Note that all old players since a decade back are supported by the server so planned obsolescence is not a factor.

andynormancx
2012-03-15, 04:26
Go for Touch now, this is a good pick. Every new SB annoucement get leaked on this forum, so I can bet there is no plan for any Touch HW refresh in the next six month.

Really ? I don't remember any new SB hardware announcement getting leaked on the forum, ever.

aubuti
2012-03-15, 04:31
Really ? I don't remember any new SB hardware announcement getting leaked on the forum, ever.
True, the Touch wasn't originally leaked here, but certainly these forums helped spread the leak.

Soulkeeper
2012-03-15, 05:01
Well, I understand your argument, but the thing is the Touch has been in the market for a long (if not too long) time, and it would be reasonable to assume that Logitech is gonna introduce a new Squeezebox in a near future. My friend just doesn't want to buy Touch 1 today and feel cheated a week later when Touch 2 hits the stores.

He'll just have to gamble. Logitech never announce new products in advance. In fact, they're pretty good at keeping it secret.

So either he buys a Touch, or he doesn't. There's really not much more to say.


This is a psychological phenomenon I don't understand. It affects audiophiles hard, but certainly not exclusively.
I think it's related to the Concorde fallacy (http://www.google.com/search?q=concorde+fallacy), only the other way around maybe. It reminds me of a Norwegian saying "Kua svelt mens graset gror", it can be translated as "The cow starves while the grass grows." If the farmer keeps the cow away from the grass, in order for the grass to grow to the maximum height, the cow will eventually starve to death, and the whole grass growing businiss will be one big waste of time on the farmer's part.

Peter314
2012-03-17, 15:58
I have just ordered three SB Touch from Logitech UK for the excellent price of GBP 129.99 each: http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/promotional-items/devices/7348?affid=1546795

Blemished box stock, but who cares at that price? :D

zolta
2012-03-17, 16:50
it'll be interesting to see what happens in the coming months, a number of high end (expensive) audio companies have been announcing that they are moving into the music/internet radio space. Simaudio is one, of course Bryston has just released one. These product are more expensive than the SB but it shows that companies are jumping in.

JJZolx
2012-03-17, 19:31
I'd expect to see a revamped Radio before anything else. Something that functions a little better as a bedside clock-radio. (Why is that I have a snooze button on my $9 alarm clock, but Logitech couldn't afford to include one on a $180 device?) And something that could be sold at a lower price point than the current Radio.

mftech
2012-03-17, 21:48
it'll be interesting to see what happens in the coming months, a number of high end (expensive) audio companies have been announcing that they are moving into the music/internet radio space. Simaudio is one, of course Bryston has just released one. These product are more expensive than the SB but it shows that companies are jumping in.

Bryston announce that they drop their CD Player production:
http://canadahifi.com/index.php/bryston-bcd-1-cd-player-dies/

I'm presently testing the Simaudio MiND, here's some details about the MiND:

No display (headless), no physical remote, support up to 192Khz, Spdif Coax-Optical and AES output available, for the moment remote control is done via IPad, other platform and OS will be supported in the future.
The MiND is also available as an add-on module for some of the pre-amp, integrated amplifier and DAC available in the Moon family.
Remote control via Sim-Link is available, meaning that the MiND could be connected to a Moon pre-amplifier or integrated amplifier and the volume control could be accessed trough the MiND software.

Simaudio had an interesting approach for synchronization between MiND units and zone control, they add a -time stamp- by de-embeding and re-embedding each file, this way they could sync perfectly in time different MiND players without introducing audio delay.
The MiND and the control software are still in development, when using the control software the album navigation is fluid and theactual interface is minimalist but quite friendly.

For the test we used Vortexbox 2.0 as a Network Attached Software with various flac files mostly 44.1Khz, but also 48KHz, 88.2KHz, 96KHz.

Mnyb
2012-03-17, 23:19
Bryston announce that they drop their CD Player production:
http://canadahifi.com/index.php/bryston-bcd-1-cd-player-dies/

I'm presently testing the Simaudio MiND, here's some details about the MiND:

No display (headless), no physical remote, support up to 192Khz, Spdif Coax-Optical and AES output available, for the moment remote control is done via IPad, other platform and OS will be supported in the future.
The MiND is also available as an add-on module for some of the pre-amp, integrated amplifier and DAC available in the Moon family.
Remote control via Sim-Link is available, meaning that the MiND could be connected to a Moon pre-amplifier or integrated amplifier and the volume control could be accessed trough the MiND software.

Simaudio had an interesting approach for synchronization between MiND units and zone control, they add a -time stamp- by de-embeding and re-embedding each file, this way they could sync perfectly in time different MiND players without introducing audio delay.

The MiND and the control software are still in development, when using the control software the album navigation is fluid and theactual interface is minimalist but quite friendly.

For the test we used Vortexbox 2.0 as a Network Attached Software with various flac files mostly 44.1Khz, but also 48KHz, 88.2KHz, 96KHz.

How does it fare feature wise vs the squeeze system ? For example a mixed playlist with you own files and spottily and other services.
How is the web radio aggregation ?
Sim is not cheap , any plans on simpler players for multi room ?

mftech
2012-03-18, 06:15
How does it fare feature wise vs the squeeze system ? For example a mixed playlist with you own files and spottily and other services.
How is the web radio aggregation ?
Sim is not cheap , any plans on simpler players for multi room ?

For radio service the MiND use vTuner Radio, as I mentioned before the control software is still in development and for now only the MiND is offered.

Mnyb
2012-03-18, 06:38
For radio service the MiND use vTuner Radio, as I mentioned before the control software is still in development and for now only the MiND is offered.

Thanks vTuner competes with recivaI think .

I don't have any vTuner enabled device ? Is it any good ?

http://www.vtuner.com/features.asp

What is good is that after a decade there seems to be more and more of these solutions around .

Market is still immature to much proprietary stuff and bad solutions but maybe in another decade :)

I think another essential for a squeezebox contender is MOG or Spotify and the other services like slacker and pandora .

I read up a bit on the mind , but no info on exact services will be offered on the other hand the product is yet to be released, April they say ?

garym
2012-03-18, 06:42
I think another essential for a squeezebox contender is MOG or Spotify and the other services like slacker and pandora .


Agree, many users expect and demand access to multiple music services (MOG, spotify, siriusXM, pandora, etc.). Although I have (too much) of my own music, I still want to have access to services and good access to internet radio. That, and ability to synch different players (that can be ethernet or wifi and have good DACs and ability to feed external DAC) and control all from a smart phone/tablet are key features to me.

toby10
2012-03-18, 11:11
Thanks vTuner competes with recivaI think .

I don't have any vTuner enabled device ? Is it any good ?

vTuner is a clunky, very basic, limited content service. Their web interface has not been updated since 2007 (since I first used it). But it is very reliable.
How that compares to Reciva I don't know as I've never used Reciva. But the same idea, a hardware embedded stream aggregator service.