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towelhound
2012-01-14, 15:12
Dear all,

This is a probably a really common question, especially for newbies.

I have tried searching, but cannot find anything particularly authoritative.

From my understanding, Netgear ReadyNAS are supported, as are QNAP devices. However, I do not know if I need transcoding or whether either of these devices will support it. (Somewhere I read that you need a dual core Intel atom device to support transcoding.)

I guess I am considering

Netgear ReadyNAS Ultra 2, about 240
www.amazon.co.uk/Netgear-ReadyNas-Network-Storage-without/dp/B004BU0XG6/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1326578913&sr=1-1

QNAP TS-219P II, about 297
www.amazon.co.uk/QNAP-TS-219P-Network-Attached-Storage/dp/B005Q6A0KI/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1326578751&sr=1-1

QNAP TS-219P+, about 260
www.amazon.co.uk/QNAP-TS-219P-1-6GHz-Surveillance-Streaming/dp/B004BD66OQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1326578751&sr=1-2

although I might go for the following if some one could explain to me the benefits of a dual core atom system. (If I'm spending that much, should I jst get a Vortexbox?)

QNAP TS-259PRO+, about 450
www.amazon.co.uk/QNAP-TS-259PRO-Turbo-NAS-Bay/dp/B00428DKCG/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1326578077&sr=1-1


If anyone can shed any light on this really grey area, I'll appreciate it.

Many thanks,

Jamie

JJZolx
2012-01-14, 15:37
There is no authoritative answer.

IMO...

The biggest advantages to a dual core Atom (or dual core AMD Brazos) system is that it will be more powerful than most NASs. And it will cost less. More power means faster library scans and more responsive user interfaces on the players themselves.

A big selling point of most NASs is that by using two or more drives and RAID, you're protected from disk failures. That's true to some extent, but it's not really all that important for a music library. You can give yourself even better protection by backing up your library to another drive. Even with an NAS with RAID, you need to backup the library to another drive.

The only disadvantages to putting together a small Atom or Brazos based system is that it requires a little work and you won't have much of a guarantee on the system, just on the parts. The work required to physically build such a server is trivial. You can buy either a 'bare bones' system, to which you add just hard drives and memory, or you can buy a case, motherboard/CPU combo, hard drive and memory. Not much difference. You can often find a nice deal on bare bones systems, but selecting the case and motherboard gives you a bit more flexibility.

For software you can install Windows if that's what you're most familiar with, but it will cost another $90-$100. If you're thinking about Vortexbox, you can download and install the software for free. Or you can install any number of other distributions of Linux.

pski
2012-01-14, 16:21
It's Network Attached Storage.

From my experience, those on this forum running LOGITECH MEDIA SERVER on a NAS arefrugalandproud.

It won't be long that cast-off machines with 2GB of memory will be common. NAS is storage <so back it up> but <<Jurassic Park Mode>> just because you can doesn't mean you should<<End Jurassic Park Mode>>.

2GB and VirtualBox with a Vortexbox VM taking 512 MB would be fine (and you'll learn a skill.)

P

Mnyb
2012-01-15, 06:07
Transcoding works with single core to btw.

But the point is keep it x86 then standard os of any kind would work. And all the standard helper apps like flac sox and lame would work.
And life would much easier.

Some nas os are a bit closed and special so it's more hustle sometimes.

Vortexbox is a quick and easy method to get there.

And also using a mini computer home built or not, means that you can set it up with monitor and keyboard and then stove away those when you get remote admin working , for faultracinh it is invaluable. How do you faultrace the network interface otherwise.

Raid is not needed keep real backups somewhere, you are not a bank so 99.998% uptime is not esential.

towelhound
2012-01-16, 07:00
Dear all,

Just a quick thankyou for your suggestions. I've been doing some thinking, so I just thought I'd let you know my conclusions.

I think for now I will just set my computer (recentish Mac Mini running Ubuntu) to stay on 24/7. The power specs for Mac OS (which will be better than Ubuntu 10.04, I guess) say it idles at 14 W. So, on 10.04 I guess it might be 20 W. (I'll get a power consumption meter to check.) Either way, the savings are at best 10 W, from which the new device must run. So, at about 20p per kWh in the UK, that saves 0.01 kW*24hr/day*365day/year = 17 or so. That's a massive difference, equating to a pay back over more than 10 years!

My future target for a NAS drive/ LMS server, I think, will be a Raspberry Pi. I'm pleased to see that there are a couple of threads talking about this, so I'll have a browse there.

Best wishes, I'm really impressed by the prompt support and help from everyone :-)

Jamie

Blisteringblue
2012-01-20, 06:07
I think for now I will just set my computer (recentish Mac Mini running Ubuntu) to stay on 24/7.

Other than my iphone I am not that apple, but do Mac's not have the equivalent service like WOL (Wake On Lan) that Windows users have.

My LMS runs on my Quad Core Vista beast in my office, it goes to sleep after an hours non use, but a quick power up on any of my squeeze devices and it fires up. I also have it in one of those smart power strips too, so it is like Bagpuss (UK folks know what I mean) so when it goes to sleep all it's friends goto sleep too. :-)

vett93
2012-01-20, 18:05
If you listen to the music for more than 1 hour (your sleep timer duration), do you get the music cut off because Windows Vista decides to go to sleep?

vett93
2012-01-23, 11:31
Just found out that LMS has a plug-in that prevents the PC from going into sleep mode while you play songs. So you are safe...

Blisteringblue
2012-01-27, 04:04
Just found out that LMS has a plug-in that prevents the PC from going into sleep mode while you play songs. So you are safe...

Yep, works well too. Players don't even have to be playing, just on and the PC will not sleep.

Caught me out recently because I had my Boom and Receiver in sync and I was switching the boom off and my PC was not sleeping? Turned out I had not synced the power settings in the squeeze devices so the receiver was actually still on, hence no sleep.

Grumpy Bob
2012-01-29, 00:59
Well, I've been very happy with my QNAP TS-239 for the last few years (running 2 x Tb). It works well as a media server, back up system and running 2 x SBR and one SB3. I just upgraded to LMS 7.7.1, and very pleased, no problems (I uninstalled SBS7.5.4 and SSODS first, then installed a unified QPKG).

Robert

Letten
2012-02-01, 07:41
As You have already figured out Yourself, the best SB server might just be the computer You already have :-)

Personally I used to think I need a NAS, but ended up using our desktop-replacement laptop with Windows 7 and WOL (wake on lan) - works great.

Powerconsumption is minimal, 1.7watt in suspende mode, awakes in 2-3 seconds, uses approx. 17watts just streaming. It's very powerfull too with Intel Corei7. Perfect mediaserver if You think about it.

Usually it's even running anyway because someone is using the laptop, in this case powerconsumption of running SB server is zero.