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AndreE
2011-12-12, 06:54
Just 5 years and a bit less than 2 month Logitech has acquired Slim Devices
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/172/2763

It was interesting discussion triggered after this renouncement with a lot of glory and concerns

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821

What do you think about it?
What parts of that earlier discussions have become truth and what do you think was evaporating with the time passing by?

azinck3
2011-12-12, 08:15
Personally I think the Touch, Radio, and Duet were all mistakes. I consider the Boom the last of the "true" Squeezeboxen. All the LCD-screen devices are hard to read, sluggish to operate, and introduce a level of interface fussiness that was wonderfully missing in all the VFD-based Squeezeboxes. Not only that, but as the devices got less "Slim" it seems reliability went down. It's a tough product to sell to the mass-market. It's fantastically capable, but we all know it's a little fussy. I think it's probably been a tech support nightmare for them. So now they're trying to market things like the Radio to the mass-market who may not buy it because they compare it against other internet radios which are cheaper, and even if they do buy it may then be overwhelmed and frustrated by the relative complexity of the device and some of the bugs that exist as a result of the software supporting such a large and diverse ecosystem. I don't think it's sustainable.

It's hard to know what would have happened if Logitech hadn't come along. Time and technology continues to march on, and things like iPhones and iPads have certainly changed the landscape irreversibly. Slim Devices may have made many of the same missteps regardless of whether or not Logitech ever acquired them. But that said, there was a certain "special-ness" around Slim Devices that has slowly evaporated ever since they were acquired. This was partially the result of a series of product introductions that were a meaningful departure from the previous paradigm (and were, as I argue above, weaker products). Not only that, but we all love a certain feeling of "exclusivity"; the Slim Devices name provided that, Logitech doesn't (especially important since a large portion of the Slim Devices fan-base consisted of "audiophiles"). Those things, combined with the fact that the community was now being asked to contribute code and effort back to a huge multinational company meant that overall community enthusiasm and developer support for the products waned.

And that's the crux of it. Aside from any individual mis-steps that may have been made, Logitech was never set up to be able to foster the kind of enthusiast community that drove Slim Devices to success in the first place. They tried, and they did some things right (keeping Sean and Dean and Andy and others on for a while) but customer service struggled and I suspect this niche product could never drive enough sales for them to justify the level of involvement required.

Soulkeeper
2011-12-12, 09:13
I agree that the Duet was a mistake. The Touch and the Radio seem to work very well. (I've got a Duet too, and I'm satisfied with it, but from a support perspective, it's got to be a disaster.)

jazzcat
2011-12-12, 09:49
As a newcomer to the SB, I knew nothing about the era of Slim Devices before Logitech. I will say this however....

I'm not "overwhelmed and frustrated by the relative complexity of the device", nor do I find it "a little fussy". I think it works very intuitively. The ol' jazzcat had no trouble with set-up or operation. I never had to call Logitech for help. (I do think they should provide the "Features Manual" in print or disc with the unit. The "quick start" guide is too basic.)

"As the devices got less "Slim" it seems reliability went down"....while my Touch and Radio are brand new and just starting their working lives, I don't expect them to be unreliable (and certainly not like the Aluratek IR I had that was a short-lived, piece of garbage.) My Touch and Radio worked right out of the box, first time, no "bugs", no hassles. I'm proud to show these products to my friends. They are as well-built as any thing in the marketplace.

"It's a tough product to sell to the mass-market". Maybe true, especially when the "mass-market" has a large proportion of dumbed-down consumers. If Logitech wants to continue selling SB's, they need to do a lot more marketing. At the store where I bought mine, the boxes were buried on a dusty lower shelf. The salesperson I asked for help wasn't even sure where they were located in the store.

So, as a person who just discovered these Logitech products, I can offer nothing but praise and thanks to the company that made them. I hope Logitech continues to market and support the SB product line.

jazzcat

azinck3
2011-12-12, 10:16
"As the devices got less "Slim" it seems reliability went down"....while my Touch and Radio are brand new and just starting their working lives, I don't expect them to be unreliable (and certainly not like the Aluratek IR I had that was a short-lived, piece of garbage.) My Touch and Radio worked right out of the box, first time, no "bugs", no hassles. I'm proud to show these products to my friends. They are as well-built as any thing in the marketplace.

I'm very glad to hear of your good experience. When I mentioned "reliability" I didn't really mean that the hardware was failing more often, just that the frequency of software glitches seemed to increase with these products as compared to the earlier products. They feel more buggy to me (I particularly loathe the Duet controller) and are thus less "reliable" at delivering easy access to my music. A lot of this is due to the fact that they're trying to do a bit more and thus there are more opportunities for bugs. I should also add that I still think these are far-and-away the best media streamers available. It's just that a lot of the "magic" is gone compared to the slimp3 days.


I hope Logitech continues to market and support the SB product line.

Agreed 100%. I still love these products passionately (and I'd really love a return to a VFD-based lineup!).

maggior
2011-12-12, 10:35
The duet definitely had some growing pains. I wasn't exactly an early adoptor and I had a lot of trouble setting it up. 6 months or so later, my brother (much less techy than me) bought one and had no trouble at all. So it did get better. At the time, it was really cool. By today's standards, the display is pretty low rez and the controller is a bit bulky, but it certainly works well. The changes they made to the controller's UI with the 7.x releases was a big improvement too!

It's hard to say how things would have turned out if SD was never acquired by Logitech. I like that Logitech broadened availablity through a large variety of retailers. I don't like that Logitech is now struggling and the Squeezebox line isn't exactly their core competency.

If Logitech didn't buy SD, we still would have seen the Boom - that was probably already in flight prior to the purchase. Perhaps the duet and radio would have been skipped and we would have jumped right to the Touch.

yeomanspc
2011-12-12, 10:42
To be fair to Logitech, it must be hard to please everyone - even I find that one week I have one opinion on what kind of player / message they should push, and then that changes a few weeks later. People claim the duet is a disaster and I am inclined to agree except that since I got an ipad and installed ipeng, suddenly I'm thinking that receivers hidden away are actually quite good and maybe Logitech should be pushing that more as a way to grow out of the main music room and into the rest of the house (isn't that similar to Sonos?). If they want hardware volumes, it's easier to sell an extra 2 or 3 players to existing customers rather than attract new customers. The controller was (and remains) the weakness in the Duet combo. The touch is ok but it's not going to spread beyond 1 or 2 per house unless the price drops. The VFD devices were my preference till I started with ipeng, but now I'm tempted to churn my SB2's for receivers (if only I could find them at reasonable price).

Is it me, or have Logitech meandered on strategy? Suddenly they appear to be thinning the range down - either we are about to see the lot drop off a cliff, or some new boxes and direction have to come after Christmas (maybe at CES?).

azinck3
2011-12-12, 10:52
The duet definitely had some growing pains. I wasn't exactly an early adoptor and I had a lot of trouble setting it up. 6 months or so later, my brother (much less techy than me) bought one and had no trouble at all. So it did get better. At the time, it was really cool. By today's standards, the display is pretty low rez and the controller is a bit bulky, but it certainly works well. The changes they made to the controller's UI with the 7.x releases was a big improvement too!

Yes, it got a lot better. I was a beta tester and it was virtually unusable for the first year or so (fair enough, it was a beta after all). It slowly improved to the point where now it works reasonably reliably, but even when everything works perfectly I still can't bear the amount of time it takes to wake the thing up and navigate through the interface. It makes even just seeing what's currently playing a chore.

azinck3
2011-12-12, 10:52
Is it me, or have Logitech meandered on strategy? Suddenly they appear to be thinning the range down - either we are about to see the lot drop off a cliff, or some new boxes and direction have to come after Christmas (maybe at CES?).

I fear the worst.

kidstypike
2011-12-12, 11:16
I fear the worst.

Cheer up guys! Why would Andy, Michael and maybe others keep pushing out nightlies if the was nothing in the pipeline? :)

ajkidle
2011-12-12, 11:30
The Duet was my first Squeezebox -- and so while I can understand the bad name it has earned (somewhat rightfully, I admit) I am very grateful for that product line as it introduced me to the world of SB. It's easy to bash the Duet now, but keep in mind that it was launched only 6 months after the first iPhone was released, and certainly was out before the AppStore existed. Without getting sidetracked into a love/hate Apple thread, there is no denying that the iPhone has been tremendously disruptive. The SBC might look redundant or even silly today, but in a pre-iPhone world I think it makes perfect sense that Slim/Logi pursued a portable controller.

I missed out on the pre-Logitech days, but I can say that it feels different now than it did in early 2008 when I started paying attention. The team is so much smaller now and new product development seems to have stalled. Although Andy's comments of late give me hope that there could be a revival upon us...

Anyone heard what Sean or Dean are up to these days? It's unfortunate to not see them on these boards anymore. Figure this must have been something they loved as much (and probably more) than the rest of us here--sad that they no longer seem to be a part of this community.

FredFredrickson
2011-12-12, 13:22
I use my duet daily. I also use my touch daily. The radio is a great player to have during the summer for patio bbq, but during the winter the thing just sits there.

I have nothing to say but good things regarding the receivers. The controller is a little clunky for anything beyond random-mix or skipping tracks. I wish I had grabbed more receivers when they were cheap (and available). Right now I'm set for every room in the house, but when I move to a bigger place, I'm not sure what I'll do!

Please logitech! Don't kill squeezebox!

cparker
2011-12-12, 14:51
Personally I think the Touch, Radio, and Duet were all mistakes. I consider the Boom the last of the "true" Squeezeboxen. All the LCD-screen devices are hard to read, sluggish to operate, and introduce a level of interface fussiness that was wonderfully missing in all the VFD-based Squeezeboxes.

Disagree in part, the Duet sucked originally but got there in the end, its now a very stable product.

The Touch is the only product that makes it easy to use a large music collection, being able to spin through albums etc is brilliant compared to scrolling line by line on a SB3!

If I had the money I'd replace my SB3 and Duet for a couple of Touches.

Cheers

azinck3
2011-12-12, 15:08
Disagree in part, the Duet sucked originally but got there in the end, its now a very stable product.

The Touch is the only product that makes it easy to use a large music collection, being able to spin through albums etc is brilliant compared to scrolling line by line on a SB3!

If I had the money I'd replace my SB3 and Duet for a couple of Touches.

Cheers

Interesting. I definitely come at this from a specific perspective (my own, haha) and since I have a small music collection (<300 albums) I've never had trouble using the jump-to-letter keypad entry scrolling system on the VFD-based SB's. LazySearch also solved that problem well in a different way. But I can see how it could be more frustrating with a really large collection.

For me, the always-on nature, instant response, and legibility of the VFDs is the big win. I don't want to have to wander over to the stereo to control the Touch. And when I do want to control or browse with a screen like that I'd prefer do it from my laptop, iPad*, or smartphone*.

* I don't currently have these devices, but if I wanted a Touch-like interface I'd buy one of them.

MeSue
2011-12-12, 15:19
The Touch is the only product that makes it easy to use a large music collection, being able to spin through albums etc is brilliant compared to scrolling line by line on a SB3!



Yeah, the VFD display players are looking outdated and would have long ago lost their appeal if not for all the alternate controller options we have now (iOS, Android, etc.).

azinck3
2011-12-12, 15:37
Haha, it appears at the ripe old age of 29 I'm now an old fart -- "give me back my VFDs!!" :). I guess I'm outvoted so far.

I actually think the SB3's have, and will, age better than the LCD-based players. The LCD-based stuff looks like many other plasticky computer gizmos and is already starting to look a little old (relatively small, low-res screens) whereas the SB3's have the metal accents and the displays make them look more like stereo equipment and thus a little more timeless, IMHO. Now, if we're talking slimp3 thru SB2, then yes, I agree those look rather old (they weren't especially good-looking even when new!).

I guess I'm in the minority when I say that the IR remote is still my #1 favorite way to control my squeezeboxen.

MikeWynneDub
2011-12-12, 17:20
I actually think the SB3's have, and will, age better than the LCD-based players. The LCD-based stuff looks like many other plasticky computer gizmos and is already starting to look a little old (relatively small, low-res screens) whereas the SB3's have the metal accents and the displays make them look more like stereo equipment and thus a little more timeless, IMHO. Now, if we're talking slimp3 thru SB2, then yes, I agree those look rather old (they weren't especially good-looking even when new!).

I guess I'm in the minority when I say that the IR remote is still my #1 favorite way to control my squeezeboxen.

Couldn't agree more!

The design and almost retro-futuristic look of the VFD SB3 still looks very cool...

Goodsounds
2011-12-12, 17:42
Don't get too sentimental about your SB3s if you haven't heard the superior sound of a Touch through your sound system. If you're using an external DAC, then I guess it's mostly a UI matter and not so substantive a difference.

I'm still using my SB3s in other rooms, but I'll happily replace them when they die (assuming there are Touches on the market to buy at that time).

Mnyb
2011-12-12, 22:53
I now have 2 Touch in use one complete duet and one SB3 in storage and one unopend Touch in it's box just in case.

One Radio and the only ip3k player in use is Boom, here I agree no current player can replace boom.

SB3 is a design classic but I prefer the Touch .

using iPad, in my kitchen I can use the Touch with ir if I must, I can read the display there.

Soulkeeper
2011-12-13, 05:16
When it comes to looks, SB3 is the champion of the Squeezeboxen so far. I hope a next generation Touch will arrive, looking more like the SB3.

With some aluminium on front, a glass-like screen much broader than 4:3 format, and with the option of simple, clean, large, scrolling text for the "now playing" info. (I guess nixie tubes (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixie_tube) are out of the question, huh?)

bernt
2011-12-13, 05:56
haha, it appears at the ripe old age of 29 i'm now an old fart -- "give me back my vfds!!" :). I guess i'm outvoted so far.

I actually think the sb3's have, and will, age better than the lcd-based players. The lcd-based stuff looks like many other plasticky computer gizmos and is already starting to look a little old (relatively small, low-res screens) whereas the sb3's have the metal accents and the displays make them look more like stereo equipment and thus a little more timeless, imho. Now, if we're talking slimp3 thru sb2, then yes, i agree those look rather old (they weren't especially good-looking even when new!).

I guess i'm in the minority when i say that the ir remote is still my #1 favorite way to control my squeezeboxen.

+1

swayzak
2011-12-13, 11:59
The Duet was purchased to be pretty much the centre of my musical universe at home (300GB library, 30000+ tracks), along with Booms in bedroom & kitchen.

And it pretty much still is - I love it.

Most of my music is Lame VBR preset extreme encoded (average bitrate 256) mp3, so I probably wouldn't be regarded as an "audiophile" - but it all sounds great to me through my hifi & big Cerwin-Vega AT-60s !

Duet has been very reliable, although probably not as solid as the Booms (this may be something to with the fact my Booms are always on or in standby, whereas the Duet is shutdown & unplugged every night).

Definitely not a "mistake" as far as I'm concerned. But others here clearly don't share my view !

erland
2011-12-13, 17:18
Just 5 years and a bit less than 2 month Logitech has acquired Slim Devices
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/172/2763

It was interesting discussion triggered after this renouncement with a lot of glory and concerns

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821

What do you think about it?
What parts of that earlier discussions have become truth and what do you think was evaporating with the time passing by?

It's pretty obvious that most of the worries either have or will become the truth. The reason it's not already the case is mainly because there are still some employees with the spirits from Slim Devices fighting for the products. I believe several of the employees which have fought for the products was actually hired thanks to the acquisition which allowed them to increase the size of the Squeezebox team.

However, it's also important to realize that we aren't sure Slim Devices would have survived the increased development costs during Radio, Touch, Duet without the help of the economical strength from Logitech. Slim Devices might have been bankrupt if they hadn't been acquired by Logitech.

One of the main reasons Radio, and possibly Touch, is selling pretty good is probably because Logitech has succeeded to put them on the shelves on the local stores all over the world, something that would have been very hard for Slim Devices to do by themselves.

It's easy to say "I told you so..." but you also have to think about what the alternative would have been, it could have been a lot worse than what we have today.

Recoveryone
2011-12-13, 19:55
I came on board about a year or so before logictech took over. For me the SB3 was a eye opening event, as I had suffered with much more inferior products. The only issuse I have ever had is with the software, and it may have been as simple as just recommending low and high point comp to run it. I have used 4 different comp as my servers from a PIII 700 hz w/512 mem, Laptop 1.2Ghz P4 w/1gig Ram, P4, P4 1.2Ghz w/750 ram and now P4 3ghz W/2gig Ram. The last system is running the LMS the best ever, but is overkill according to what is able to run the LMS. Due to the clunky GUI of the past SBS it made having a large collection a nightmare and creating playlists time comsuming. I had lesser poducts that were compatible with J.River/Jukebox and MSMP right out the box.

I don't recommend SB's to the light hearted or computer novice, for you will need above average skills to handle the small quirks that come up with network issues, playback issues and my current problem that the LMS shuts off on its own leaving me with blank SB's, But when its working its one of the most enjoyable times of my day/week.

ChrisNY
2011-12-13, 20:11
Haha, it appears at the ripe old age of 29 I'm now an old fart -- "give me back my VFDs!!" :). I guess I'm outvoted so far.


It will be a sad day when my SB3 dies. One of the things I cannot replicate on the Touch is the RSS feeds. Since I have it next to my bed I am able to catch up on lots of newsfeeds as I head off to sleep, which is a calming way to end the day. And it doesn't require any action on my part, as a tablet or netbook would.

raaurora
2011-12-13, 20:59
My Duet is almost 5 years old and almost zero issues even with all the server upgrades. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

erland
2011-12-13, 23:46
It will be a sad day when my SB3 dies. One of the things I cannot replicate on the Touch is the RSS feeds. Since I have it next to my bed I am able to catch up on lots of newsfeeds as I head off to sleep, which is a calming way to end the day. And it doesn't require any action on my part, as a tablet or netbook would.

The third party Custom Clock applet on the Touch has somewhat support for RSS feeds. You configure the RSS feed to show via the style configuration in Custom Clock Helper plugin through SBS/LMS web interface.

It's not as easy to setup and use as on the Classic but it might be worth a try if you are missing this functionality on the Touch. You can apply for a free 30 day evaluation license of Custom Clock while you evaluate if it fulfill your requirements.

w3wilkes
2011-12-14, 00:27
From this thread I guess I'm one of the few Duet fans that think this is the ultimate SB. The biggest problem I've ever had was last spring when the Avast 6 upgrade along with SB 7.5.3 and W7 sp1 threw me a curve ball with a firewall issue. Other than that I'd say my Duets have both performed flawlessly. Since I don't have a smartphone, ipod touch, or a tablet and my stereo rack is somewhat out of sight, the Duets' controller is the perfect solution for cruising through my music.

aubuti
2011-12-14, 07:10
My Duet is almost 5 years old
That's a good trick, since the Duet was released in March 2008 (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_comparison). Even my hardware beta Duets are only about 4 years old. Nevertheless, good to hear that you haven't had any issues. Mine have also been generally reliable.

finnbrodersen
2011-12-14, 07:29
must say that 90% of the "problems" I have had with my Duet system, I have been able to fix with a router re-boot.

FredFredrickson
2011-12-14, 07:59
My duet is solid, except for one receiver which is just at the edge of my wireless area. Sometimes I have to reboot my router.

maggior
2011-12-14, 08:01
From this thread I guess I'm one of the few Duet fans that think this is the ultimate SB.

What I thought was awesome about the duet was the ability to expand the system with headless players for little cost. Especially now with iOS and android apps to act as contolers, this is really cool.

It's sad that they discontinued that.

azinck3
2011-12-14, 08:06
What I thought was awesome about the duet was the ability to expand the system with headless players for little cost. Especially now with iOS and android apps to act as contolers, this is really cool.

It's sad that they discontinued that.

Yes, that is definitely an appealing aspect of the Duet architecture. Unfortunately the receivers never got cheap enough. Dollar for dollar I'd always choose a used SB2 over a receiver.

FredFredrickson
2011-12-14, 08:10
The receivers were at $150 when I bought my second. I wish I had grabbed a few more.

socistep
2011-12-14, 09:25
My journey started nearly 4 years ago so has been all Logitech for me, I came to know about SB players in early 2008 and bought a Duet on a holiday to the states in that summer (it was a lot cheaper!)

Duet - Initially I had problems, mainly due to not having a dedicated server and losing connection when I switched library on and off, but that cleared up and it became steady, I however ended up not using the receiver when the Touch came out as the sound quality was so much better. I still use the controller.

Touch - I have 2 of these and think they are fantastic, sound excellent as well

Boom - Bought not long after the Duet when it was launched, still a fan but prefer the newer screens

Radio - Does a very good job in my kitchen.

Overall I'm very pleased with the devices I've purchased under logitech, however like most share concerns that there doesn't currently seem to be anything in the pipeline and the team had been cut which brought some problems and a lack of profile, hopefully that will cahnge.

Can't deny that the devices have changed how I listen to music and nearly 50k scrobbles to lastFM since 2008 proves that!

maggior
2011-12-14, 09:55
Yes, that is definitely an appealing aspect of the Duet architecture. Unfortunately the receivers never got cheap enough. Dollar for dollar I'd always choose a used SB2 over a receiver.

My frame of reference at the time was $300 for an SB3, so the $150 for a receiver was quite a deal! As the prices started to come down, it wasn't as big of a deal.

AndreE
2011-12-14, 14:43
it turned to be very interesting discussion. observing initial concerns and current stage I would agree with one of posts above that Logitech does great job pushing product around the globe. position and market share could be bigger if we would not have some challenges with the software at the beginning of Duet era. it was a pain to get new concept and combine it with many external services. Logitech did a great job and was definitely one of pioneers in this arena.
this software related hurtles hindered product and delayed real launch. I do not know figures, but might guess that they are not so high for duet, but should be much better for Radio and Touch. I personally love touch - it is just great. Even my 5 years old son could handle it. and I would be happy to replace all duets by Touches - just difficult to trigger extra expenses to replace something what works now without any issue.

Sonos, actually, did a great job and it is well presented in many shops around. and what was very surprising, sales people on the floor could explain how it works, could advice configuration and recommend different alternatives. Analyzing this i believe it helped Sonos to capture its market share. Logitech could trigger similar approach, what just could be a bit difficult because most of Logitech products usually just self explanatory and lay on the shelf waiting to be picked up.


What I thought was awesome about the duet was the ability to expand the system with headless players for little cost. Especially now with iOS and android apps to act as contolers, this is really cool.

and indeed - it is one of the key reasons why i have twice more Duet stations than controllers.
Really like this product. The only one drop of bitter was software release where connectivity between controller and receiver was an issues. I must admit it was resolver relatively quickly, but still it was a pain for the family for some weeks, right at the beginning, shortly after setup completion.

what do you think, how future for this product line looks like, how it will evolve?

steinarb
2011-12-25, 01:25
>>>>> jazzcat <jazzcat.54n6hb1323708601 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

> As a newcomer to the SB, I knew nothing about the era of Slim Devices
> before Logitech. I will say this however....

> I'm not "overwhelmed and frustrated by the relative complexity of the
> device", nor do I find it "a little fussy". I think it works very
> intuitively.

AOL to both of them! Ie. both a newcomer (at least: post Logitech), and
had no problems.

I first got a duet, which I was so satisfied with that I got a radio.
The radio doubles as my alarm clock, and for listening to music and
podcasts on the porch.

I love my squeezeboxes. I just have one complaint: the lifetime of the
duet handcontroller batteries. I've replaced the battery twice.

steinarb
2012-01-02, 01:06
>>>>> FredFredrickson <FredFredrickson.54ngdz1323721441 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

> I use my duet daily.

AOL!

> I also use my touch daily.

Don't have one.

> The radio is a great player to have during the summer for patio bbq,
> but during the winter the thing just sits there.

AOL for the summer use. During the winter, I use it as my alarm clock.
NTP sync'ing of the server makes sure it's always shows the correct
time.

> I have nothing to say but good things regarding the receivers. The
> controller is a little clunky for anything beyond random-mix or
> skipping tracks. I wish I had grabbed more receivers when they were
> cheap (and available). Right now I'm set for every room in the house,
> but when I move to a bigger place, I'm not sure what I'll do!

> Please logitech! Don't kill squeezebox!

AOL!

CharlieG
2012-01-02, 07:38
Okay, I know I'm getting old but I just can't keep up with these internet acronyms.

I looked up AOL and found;
America Online, Inc.
Art of Living
Angel of Light
Adventure of Link (video game; sequel to The Legend of Zelda)
Application Object Library
Army of Light (Starwars Galaxies guild)
Age of Legends (Wheel of Time Series)
Absent Over Leave (See AWOL)
Área de Olho de Lombo
area of limitation (US DoD)
All Operator Letter (airline industry)
Assyria on Line
Asynchronous On-Line (training)
Algebra of Limits (mathematical analysis)
Acronym Over Load
*I really like this one :-)
Alarm on LAN
**acronym in an acronym :-)
Aircraft Operating Limit
Archers of Loaf (band)
Academy of Our Lady (various locations)

I give up. What are you tying to say?

aubuti
2012-01-02, 09:36
I give up. What are you tying to say?
Amen Out Loud?

steinarb
2012-01-02, 11:49
>>>>> CharlieG <CharlieG.55pwgn1325515201 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

> I give up. What are you trying to say?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=aol+jargondb

CharlieG
2012-01-02, 12:38
Funny, when I want to say "me too" I generally just say "me too" :-)

kidstypike
2012-01-02, 12:56
Funny, when I want to say "me too" I generally just say "me too" :-)

me too!

sebp
2012-01-02, 14:35
+1 is also nice, isn't it? :-)

garym
2012-01-02, 15:39
>>>>> CharlieG <CharlieG.55pwgn1325515201 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

> I give up. What are you trying to say?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=aol+jargondb

gosh, never in a million years would I have guessed this.

aubuti
2012-01-02, 15:44
Funny, when I want to say "me too" I generally just say "me too" :-)
Or if one has to bring it into the txt msg realm, a simple "me2"

margolbe
2012-01-02, 19:40
Hope that the touch is not the last stop.

Would like to see an upgraded version of the Touch; better processor, able to handle higher resolution files.

Asenath83
2012-01-03, 05:25
Haha, it appears at the ripe old age of 29 I'm now an old fart -- "give me back my VFDs!!" :). I guess I'm outvoted so far.

Must be a quirk of our age indeed, I bought my Classic shortly after it disappeared from the Logitech webshop and still love the display as I find it easy to read. Thankfully, it hasn't faded or conked out yet as I know it has for some.
I also found it a huge upgrade to the other web radio I had previously in terms of reliability, user interface and quality.

I had a Duet for some time as well, it was a pain to set up initially due to old firmware still loaded onto it when it arrived, but then worked OK most of the time. I still didn't like it quite as much as the Classic, the controller has become somewhat obsolete for me since I have an Android phone and the receiver doesn't provide any advantages over the Classic, IMHO. That's why I sold it.

If my Classic ever dies, I will try to get another one rather than a Touch. From what I have seen, the internal server of the Touch is too fussy to be even considered a feature and the touchscreen seems to scratch pretty easily.
Also, if I had the choice between the Radio and the Boom, I would go for the Boom. I don't need a portable internet radio and prefer the looks of the Boom.

That said, I agree that the biggest mistake was to try to turn a niche product for audiophiles into a mass market product, from lowering quality on the hardware side to all those unreliable half-finished plugins and gimmicks (headphone jack on the Controller, STILL-missing RSS settings on MySB, I am looking at you!).

And now they have extended the server to be a general media server, which most of us already have built into the OS of our PC or NAS or gaming console or... I fail to see why I would need that. I bet most of us could have thought of more pressing matters to sovlve but of course, none of these involve selling Squeezeboxes to even more people who don't really understand the purpose of the product (partially due to marketing errors) in the first place :-/.

Osamede
2012-01-11, 21:46
And now they have extended the server to be a general media server, which most of us already have built into the OS of our PC or NAS or gaming console or... I fail to see why I would need that. I bet most of us could have thought of more pressing matters to sovlve but of course, none of these involve selling Squeezeboxes to even more people who don't really understand the purpose of the product (partially due to marketing errors) in the first place :-/.It is almost certainly because they are making another push into the territory first explored with the Logitech Revue - but now with their own front end instead of Google TV. Might even be some smaller size all-in-one Logitech televisions one the way.

jaaen
2012-01-14, 02:26
I joined the Logitech era in September 2009 with two Duets.

Although clearly some start-up issues - today it works like a dream. And since then the set-up has been supplemented with a Radio which wakes up my wife every morning with her favorite internet radio station.

My use cases are world wide internet radios, Spotify, podcasts, and the 100s of children stories that my kids enjoy. Spotify sort of replaced the value of my own music library. But not the kids stories!

For me, the Duet has been great (after the initial problems were solved - which I also later realised related as much to my wi-fi setup).

On the topic of user interfaces. For me, the user interface has three sometimes conflicting needs:

1) You may want a very visual, easy way of selecting music (from Spotify or your own library). Laptops is the perfect solution because of the keyboard (for example running Squeezeplay), Squeezebox Touch probably comes second on this, due to the large screen, and Squeezebox Touch and the Duet controller after that.

2) You may want the device to be accessible, i.e portable and small and with lots of battery time. Now the order of the devices reverses: Duet comes first, then Touch and then a laptop.

3) You may want a super fast access to the most elementary controls - i.e volume, some preset stations or favorites, and pause, fast forward. Often the best solution for this is often hardware keys on a portable device. (So you don't have to select through several screens before you get to the volume control!). The Duet is clearly the winner here!

So, buttom line for me is that the Duet controller works for 70% of the cases - when I just need to select a pre-defined radio station from the favorite list, some of the "recently used" albums from Spotify, or a downloaded podcast - and then I can pause, skip and use volume controls conveniently through the hardware keys, even with dirty hands in the hobby room or kitchen! :-)

But then when I have more time and can concentrate a bit more - I use the PC (Sqeezeplay) to find new albums in Spotify, latest podcasts, or maybe new radio stations and add them to the favorite list. Here the keyboard comes in incredibly handy. Also because - often when searching for new music, podcasts or radio stations - you actually need Google as well!

The Radio is brilliant as a morning clock with pretty good sound, and with the battery installed - the kids take it to the cellar and it has solid enough sound to function as a little minor disco player - and again getting their latest bands (never heard of them) from Spotify. Pretty cool, I think, considering that this is seriously totally wireless. (Last time I had some friends over and the Radio stood in the kitchen playing Spotify, my friend walked around the Radio a few times - looking for some wires, somewhere! At least the power cable!)

I have an iPod Touch as well with iPeng - so although the initial coolness of an absolutely great user-interface, then in practice, it for me falls in between the issue of lacking the hardware keys for the basic functions - and in practice running out of battery all the time, and finally not really being good enough for searching for music on spotify etc. The laptop obviously beats that.

So, in my world, slimdevices and logitech has hit a sweetspot of a range of user interfaces, device hardware and somewhat openness of the system so that new plugins, such as the absolutely brilliant Spotify plug-in serves me everyday.

And who knows, maybe next year - I drop Spotify and listen to Google music or something else. And I am hoping.... actually praying that Logitech will keep this alive and developers around the world still find motivation to make new wonderful plug-ins for me! :-)

Jesper