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Anthony Webb
2004-10-13, 08:47
Agreed that you will need a boatload of storage to store raw dvd files. Dvd
quality on a "shrunk" iso is extremely good, but remember, dvd shrink can
rip without any compression too. Products like dvd decrypter are nice for
that stuff too.

Products that play divx stuff are very abundant and inexpensive. Anyone who
has actually made a divx movie will know that this is not a real option.
Many hours of encoding may or may not even generate a file that is
acceptable. DVD shrink can rip a dvd in like 30 min.

When I share a directory on my computer and play even a large vob file I
have not problem with qos at all. Undoubtedly if you were on something
other than a lan it likely wouldnt work. But a 100 lan is sufficient
bandwidth.



>From: "Jason" <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net>
>Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
>To: "'Slim Devices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] What about DVDs?
>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:13:05 -0600
>
>DVD Shrink is great if you are watching movies on a smaller screen or are
>not bothered by picture quality being degraded. I have a pretty nice 51"
>TV
>and any degredation in the picture would be totally unaccepteable. This
>means that each DVD title in my library would take up 7GB, requiring me to
>invest in storage for something like 500GB of movies.
>
>Additionally streaming full quality DVD over a network is going to be hit
>or
>miss at best, considering the large bitrate needed. Ideally some form of
>QoS would be used on the network to ensure the movie playback was given
>higher priority over less important traffic. Typical home setups don't
>have
>QoS capabilities of any kind.
>
>I guess what I'm driving at here is that the appeal for DVD playback
>through
>a device like the Squeezebox is certainly there for the "geek elite" but
>for
>joe consumer it would be too much headache, too much storage, and too many
>potential problems to really make it an attractive option.
>
>Putting a DVD in the player is certainly a better option for many home
>theater enthusiasts.
>
>-J
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Webb
>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:33 PM
>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>Subject: [slim] What about DVDs?
>
>DVD Shrink is a free product for the pc that does the same thing. How
>sweet
>it would be to call your whole collection up from the network. Wonder why
>no one has started beating down this path? I have tried mythtv, freevo,
>and
>the like. Problem is that who really want to bothand interface a pc to
>their tv, a set top box like the squeezebox would be VERY ideal. Heck,
>even
>an inteface to slim server and my music right from the tv interface would
>be
>way cool too!
>
>My guess is that this type of a product is right around the corner,
>hopefully it comes from someone who believes in the open source stuff like
>slim does... Anyone have an idea what it would take hardware wise to do
>something like this? Slim has the audio licked, what would need to be
>included for video processing? Am I dreaming to big?
>
>
> >From: Jonathan Greene <atmasphere (AT) atmasphere (DOT) net>
> >Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> >To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> >Subject: [slim] What about DVDs?
> >Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:42:47 -0400
> >
> >There's a free app for Mac which does full backups of DVDs and so far
> >it's still available from legit sources like MacUpdate. It's called
> >MacTheRipper and totally works. I've used it a bit and you can even
> >open the .vob directory from within the Apple DVD player. It'd be
> >slick to call up movies from a network drive and have your whole library
>just there...
> >not too far from Slim, but for video
> >
> >
> >On Oct 12, 2004, at 9:40 PM, Dan Sully wrote:
> >
> >>* Jonathan Greene <atmasphere (AT) atmasphere (DOT) net> shaped the electrons to
> >>say...
> >>
> >>>Don't believe it's vapor... though someone else wrote that part (big
> >>>surprise, right?)
> >>>
> >>>http://www.up.org/cinemasix/
> >>
> >>Ah, my mistake. A beta product from a 3rd party, that will only play
> >>unencrypted VOBs.
> >>
> >>Hey, on the plus side, at least there's source code.
> >>
> >>-D
> >>--
> >>"A good messenger expects to get shot." --Larry Wall
> >>

Michael Alletto
2004-10-13, 09:00
I'd just like to stream mpeg video files through my network to my tv
without having to install a PC down where my tv is. TV shows, videos,
or any other mpeg video file. I would like to have a directory of
files on a linux or windows server, the device would know that my
video files are there and have a tv interface to let me scroll through
the contents of the directory. It would read the encoded titles or
just display the filename. I would push play on the remote and it
would start streaming to the box to decode them play on the tv. From
there it would just work as a vcr. I can't tell you how many times
I've missed a tv show only get stuck having to watch it later on my
pc. Would be nice to be able to stream it to the tv.

Obviously without a video output the squeezebox can't do this (doubt
it even has the processing power). Maybe in a few versions?


On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:47:58 -0600, Anthony Webb <ievolve (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Agreed that you will need a boatload of storage to store raw dvd files. Dvd
> quality on a "shrunk" iso is extremely good, but remember, dvd shrink can
> rip without any compression too. Products like dvd decrypter are nice for
> that stuff too.
>
> Products that play divx stuff are very abundant and inexpensive. Anyone who
> has actually made a divx movie will know that this is not a real option.
> Many hours of encoding may or may not even generate a file that is
> acceptable. DVD shrink can rip a dvd in like 30 min.
>
> When I share a directory on my computer and play even a large vob file I
> have not problem with qos at all. Undoubtedly if you were on something
> other than a lan it likely wouldnt work. But a 100 lan is sufficient
> bandwidth.
>
> >From: "Jason" <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net>
> >Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> >To: "'Slim Devices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> >Subject: [slim] What about DVDs?
> >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:13:05 -0600
>
>
> >
> >DVD Shrink is great if you are watching movies on a smaller screen or are
> >not bothered by picture quality being degraded. I have a pretty nice 51"
> >TV
> >and any degredation in the picture would be totally unaccepteable. This
> >means that each DVD title in my library would take up 7GB, requiring me to
> >invest in storage for something like 500GB of movies.
> >
> >Additionally streaming full quality DVD over a network is going to be hit
> >or
> >miss at best, considering the large bitrate needed. Ideally some form of
> >QoS would be used on the network to ensure the movie playback was given
> >higher priority over less important traffic. Typical home setups don't
> >have
> >QoS capabilities of any kind.
> >
> >I guess what I'm driving at here is that the appeal for DVD playback
> >through
> >a device like the Squeezebox is certainly there for the "geek elite" but
> >for
> >joe consumer it would be too much headache, too much storage, and too many
> >potential problems to really make it an attractive option.
> >
> >Putting a DVD in the player is certainly a better option for many home
> >theater enthusiasts.
> >
> >-J
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> >[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Webb
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:33 PM
> >To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> >Subject: [slim] What about DVDs?
> >
> >DVD Shrink is a free product for the pc that does the same thing. How
> >sweet
> >it would be to call your whole collection up from the network. Wonder why
> >no one has started beating down this path? I have tried mythtv, freevo,
> >and
> >the like. Problem is that who really want to bothand interface a pc to
> >their tv, a set top box like the squeezebox would be VERY ideal. Heck,
> >even
> >an inteface to slim server and my music right from the tv interface would
> >be
> >way cool too!
> >
> >My guess is that this type of a product is right around the corner,
> >hopefully it comes from someone who believes in the open source stuff like
> >slim does... Anyone have an idea what it would take hardware wise to do
> >something like this? Slim has the audio licked, what would need to be
> >included for video processing? Am I dreaming to big?
> >
> >
> > >From: Jonathan Greene <atmasphere (AT) atmasphere (DOT) net>
> > >Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> > >To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> > >Subject: [slim] What about DVDs?
> > >Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:42:47 -0400
> > >
> > >There's a free app for Mac which does full backups of DVDs and so far
> > >it's still available from legit sources like MacUpdate. It's called
> > >MacTheRipper and totally works. I've used it a bit and you can even
> > >open the .vob directory from within the Apple DVD player. It'd be
> > >slick to call up movies from a network drive and have your whole library
> >just there...
> > >not too far from Slim, but for video
> > >
> > >
> > >On Oct 12, 2004, at 9:40 PM, Dan Sully wrote:
> > >
> > >>* Jonathan Greene <atmasphere (AT) atmasphere (DOT) net> shaped the electrons to
> > >>say...
> > >>
> > >>>Don't believe it's vapor... though someone else wrote that part (big
> > >>>surprise, right?)
> > >>>
> > >>>http://www.up.org/cinemasix/
> > >>
> > >>Ah, my mistake. A beta product from a 3rd party, that will only play
> > >>unencrypted VOBs.
> > >>
> > >>Hey, on the plus side, at least there's source code.
> > >>
> > >>-D
> > >>--
> > >>"A good messenger expects to get shot." --Larry Wall
> > >>

Jason Rimmer
2004-10-13, 10:32
What you're describing is exactly what D-Link's DSM-320 does,
http://dlink.com/products/?sec=1&pid=318. I played around with it for a
few days but returned it as it required Windows for the server
application and the interface was a bit clunky (though I understand it's
since been updated). It does everything it claims to do as I listened
to MP3s, watched both WMV and DivX movies, viewed pictures, etc. It
even has component video and digital audio outs.
I picked it up at Best Buy for ~$180

Michael Alletto wrote:
> I'd just like to stream mpeg video files through my network to my tv
> without having to install a PC down where my tv is. TV shows, videos,
> or any other mpeg video file. I would like to have a directory of
> files on a linux or windows server, the device would know that my
> video files are there and have a tv interface to let me scroll through
> the contents of the directory. It would read the encoded titles or
> just display the filename. I would push play on the remote and it
> would start streaming to the box to decode them play on the tv. From
> there it would just work as a vcr. I can't tell you how many times
> I've missed a tv show only get stuck having to watch it later on my
> pc. Would be nice to be able to stream it to the tv.
>
> Obviously without a video output the squeezebox can't do this (doubt
> it even has the processing power). Maybe in a few versions?
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:47:58 -0600, Anthony Webb <ievolve (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>>Agreed that you will need a boatload of storage to store raw dvd files. Dvd
>>quality on a "shrunk" iso is extremely good, but remember, dvd shrink can
>>rip without any compression too. Products like dvd decrypter are nice for
>>that stuff too.
>>
>>Products that play divx stuff are very abundant and inexpensive. Anyone who
>>has actually made a divx movie will know that this is not a real option.
>>Many hours of encoding may or may not even generate a file that is
>>acceptable. DVD shrink can rip a dvd in like 30 min.
>>
>>When I share a directory on my computer and play even a large vob file I
>>have not problem with qos at all. Undoubtedly if you were on something
>>other than a lan it likely wouldnt work. But a 100 lan is sufficient
>>bandwidth.
>>
>>
>>>From: "Jason" <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net>
>>>Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
>>>To: "'Slim Devices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
>>>Subject: [slim] What about DVDs?
>>>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:13:05 -0600
>>
>>
>>>DVD Shrink is great if you are watching movies on a smaller screen or are
>>>not bothered by picture quality being degraded. I have a pretty nice 51"
>>>TV
>>>and any degredation in the picture would be totally unaccepteable. This
>>>means that each DVD title in my library would take up 7GB, requiring me to
>>>invest in storage for something like 500GB of movies.
>>>
>>>Additionally streaming full quality DVD over a network is going to be hit
>>>or
>>>miss at best, considering the large bitrate needed. Ideally some form of
>>>QoS would be used on the network to ensure the movie playback was given
>>>higher priority over less important traffic. Typical home setups don't
>>>have
>>>QoS capabilities of any kind.
>>>
>>>I guess what I'm driving at here is that the appeal for DVD playback
>>>through
>>>a device like the Squeezebox is certainly there for the "geek elite" but
>>>for
>>>joe consumer it would be too much headache, too much storage, and too many
>>>potential problems to really make it an attractive option.
>>>
>>>Putting a DVD in the player is certainly a better option for many home
>>>theater enthusiasts.
>>>
>>>-J
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>>[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Webb
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:33 PM
>>>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>>>Subject: [slim] What about DVDs?
>>>
>>>DVD Shrink is a free product for the pc that does the same thing. How
>>>sweet
>>>it would be to call your whole collection up from the network. Wonder why
>>>no one has started beating down this path? I have tried mythtv, freevo,
>>>and
>>>the like. Problem is that who really want to bothand interface a pc to
>>>their tv, a set top box like the squeezebox would be VERY ideal. Heck,
>>>even
>>>an inteface to slim server and my music right from the tv interface would
>>>be
>>>way cool too!
>>>
>>>My guess is that this type of a product is right around the corner,
>>>hopefully it comes from someone who believes in the open source stuff like
>>>slim does... Anyone have an idea what it would take hardware wise to do
>>>something like this? Slim has the audio licked, what would need to be
>>>included for video processing? Am I dreaming to big?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: Jonathan Greene <atmasphere (AT) atmasphere (DOT) net>
>>>>Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
>>>>To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
>>>>Subject: [slim] What about DVDs?
>>>>Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:42:47 -0400
>>>>
>>>>There's a free app for Mac which does full backups of DVDs and so far
>>>>it's still available from legit sources like MacUpdate. It's called
>>>>MacTheRipper and totally works. I've used it a bit and you can even
>>>>open the .vob directory from within the Apple DVD player. It'd be
>>>>slick to call up movies from a network drive and have your whole library
>>>
>>>just there...
>>>
>>>>not too far from Slim, but for video
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Oct 12, 2004, at 9:40 PM, Dan Sully wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>* Jonathan Greene <atmasphere (AT) atmasphere (DOT) net> shaped the electrons to
>>>>>say...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't believe it's vapor... though someone else wrote that part (big
>>>>>>surprise, right?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.up.org/cinemasix/
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah, my mistake. A beta product from a 3rd party, that will only play
>>>>>unencrypted VOBs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey, on the plus side, at least there's source code.
>>>>>
>>>>>-D
>>>>>--
>>>>>"A good messenger expects to get shot." --Larry Wall
>>>>>