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cliveb
2011-11-14, 10:41
I'm a long-time Squeezebox user, and have until now used it only for my own local library and *very* occasional internet radio (via the local Squeezebox Server). Still running SqueezeCenter 7.3.2, and very happy with it. Have never had an account with mysqueezebox.com (or whatever it's called these days).

It occurs to me that perhaps I should be looking into some of these internet streaming services such as Spotify, Napster, etc. Having them would give us the chance to sample new music before we buy. But this brings up some questions:

1. Do these streaming services require running via mysqueezebox.com, or can I run them via a local server? I really don't want to sign up with msb.com.

2. Is there a minimum version of SqueezeBox server I would need to upgrade to in order to run these streaming services?

3. Any opinions about which is the best streaming service - bearing in mind that my wife & I are in our 50's and like quality rock from the 1970s. Any new stuff we're likely to enjoy is probably not going to be mainstream chart acts. So I guess what I'm asking is which service has the best selection of the more obscure artists. (Not weird music per se - just the less well-known performers).

garym
2011-11-14, 10:47
I'm a long-time Squeezebox user, and have until now used it only for my own local library and *very* occasional internet radio (via the local Squeezebox Server). Still running SqueezeCenter 7.3.2, and very happy with it. Have never had an account with mysqueezebox.com (or whatever it's called these days).

It occurs to me that perhaps I should be looking into some of these internet streaming services such as Spotify, Napster, etc. Having them would give us the chance to sample new music before we buy. But this brings up some questions:

1. Do these streaming services require running via mysqueezebox.com, or can I run them via a local server? I really don't want to sign up with msb.com.

2. Is there a minimum version of SqueezeBox server I would need to upgrade to in order to run these streaming services?

3. Any opinions about which is the best streaming service - bearing in mind that my wife & I are in our 50's and like quality rock from the 1970s. Any new stuff we're likely to enjoy is probably not going to be mainstream chart acts. So I guess what I'm asking is which service has the best selection of the more obscure artists. (Not weird music per se - just the less well-known performers).

I'm sorta in your position (and age group). I finally tried Spotify and have found that it has lots of "non main stream" artists that I'm interested in from the Rock, Folk, Alt Country, etc. genres. I really like the ability to check things out before I buy (if I buy). Can't compare to other services as I haven't tried them. I'm considering trying MOG as a comparison. You will need mysb.com for that for sure....

I use triode's spotify plugin. Don't know whether you need mysb.com in that case. Probably not. But I have mysb.com anyhow (as I need for siriusXM which my wife likes). I don't USE mysb.com (always my own server). Not sure why you don't want to sign up for a free mysb.com account. Again, I have the account, but don't actually use it for anything directly other than adding some apps (which then show up in my local SERVER/PLAYERS).

cliveb
2011-11-14, 11:06
Not sure why you don't want to sign up for a free mysb.com account.
Maybe I've got this wrong, but my understanding is that when you switch over to mysb.com, you'll get connected to whatever version of Squeezebox Server it is running, and that means your player's firmware might get updated.

I wouldn't want to get constantly swapping firmwares whenever I switched between mysb.com and the local server, so that in turn implies the need to keep upgrading the local server in order to avoid that. And I don't want the uncertainty of constantly updating my local server - there are far too many posts around here to do with things breaking after a SBS update. I'm firmly in the camp that believes you should not mess with things that are working fine.

Mnyb
2011-11-14, 11:21
You can use everything via the local server things that require mysqueezebox.com can still go trough the server , there is an integration possibility via the local server this actually works (you set your creds in the settings) .
So the server uses mysb.com as a background service .

A lot of services require some secret sauce as the server is open source it cant reside on your server, so mysb.com acts as middle man for some things.

Server is a bit different now a lot of radio is apps that you enable via mysb.com even if you use them via the server .

And if you integrate you get a lot more radio menus apps and options ,you can localize your radio via TuneIN (was radio time) .

It's got a lot easier to install plugins there is an extension downloader .


I don't now the minimum version for Triodes spotify plugin


IF you are very careful and conservative and want to evaluate the new server you could install the LMS7.7.1 on another machine the player is able to switch between different servers .
You will have firmware up/down grade when you switch between them.
On that server you could toy with the new stuff with one of your players.

If you never connect directly to mysqueezebox.com but use it trough the server bizarre side effects are avoided and it actually works much better than otherwise .

The right people to ask about Radio/services is bpa Triode and Toby10 .
I use it but 1% of the time .

Mysqueezebox.com is not that invasive stats reporting can be turned of , there is no mysterious black van's outside

garym
2011-11-14, 11:21
Maybe I've got this wrong, but my understanding is that when you switch over to mysb.com, you'll get connected to whatever version of Squeezebox Server it is running, and that means your player's firmware might get updated.

I wouldn't want to get constantly swapping firmwares whenever I switched between mysb.com and the local server, so that in turn implies the need to keep upgrading the local server in order to avoid that. And I don't want the uncertainty of constantly updating my local server - there are far too many posts around here to do with things breaking after a SBS update. I'm firmly in the camp that believes you should not mess with things that are working fine.


Nope, you missunderstand. I have a mysb.com account BUT I DON'T CONNECT MY PLAYERS TO MYSB.COM. I connect players to my local computer running SbS. For example, in my main system I use 7.6.2. So having a mysb.com account and entering those credentials IN YOUR LOCAL SBS (in SbS > Settings > mysb.com tab) is NOT the same as switching your players to mysb.com to receive your streams from mysb.com.
EDIT: so bottom line, having a mysb.com account and entering the credentials in your local SbS will NOT force any upgrades, etc.

Mnyb
2011-11-14, 11:27
Maybe I've got this wrong, but my understanding is that when you switch over to mysb.com, you'll get connected to whatever version of Squeezebox Server it is running, and that means your player's firmware might get updated.

I wouldn't want to get constantly swapping firmwares whenever I switched between mysb.com and the local server, so that in turn implies the need to keep upgrading the local server in order to avoid that. And I don't want the uncertainty of constantly updating my local server - there are far too many posts around here to do with things breaking after a SBS update. I'm firmly in the camp that believes you should not mess with things that are working fine.

If you turn off software updates after the upgrade, when the player has upgraded and always use the player locally you won't be bothered by upgrades. But always connect to your own server and use mysqueezebox.com trough the server .
There is actually nothing you can't do via the local server (integrated with mysb.com).

The only reasons to why people switch back and forth is .

*Turn of the pc and save energy.
*Unaware of the integration option.
*Failed server setup where the conection to mysqueezebox.com wont work.

maggior
2011-11-14, 11:52
I have Spotify and Rhapsody at the moment. I had a Napster for a couple of months and dropped it because too much of their music was only available as "30 second previews".

Rhapsody and Spotify overlap quite a bit, but they do complement eachother. For instance, ELP appears in Spotify, but not Rhapsody. The electronic band synth.nl has some titles in Spotify only and others in Rhapsody only.

I like the idea of what Spotify can become, but from a usability perspective, I perfer Rhapsody. Spotify's library management is basically non existent. Spotify's desktop app and mobile apps (both iPod and Andriod) seem immature; Rhapsody's is more stable, mature, and intuitive to use.

The best way to tell is get a trial subscription to each service that you are interested in and switch between them throughout the trial period. You will find one will appeal to you more than the others either due to music selection or usability.

Oh, I just noticed that the OP is from the UK, so Rhapsody isn't an option at the moment. Since Rhapsody bought Napster, that may change.

toby10
2011-11-14, 12:49
Napster is going away soon anyway, so don't bother with them. They were purchased by Rhapsody.
Yes you need a MySB.com account to use most services. Your SBS server will connect too MySB.com.
Your player itself need not ever connect directly to MySB.com.

MeSue
2011-11-14, 14:21
I did a poll on music services a while back which you might find interesting: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89244

Since you are in the UK, I believe your choices are more limited. Over the past 6 months I have tried Spotify, Rhapsody, Slacker Premium, MOG, and Last.FM. I'm still in my MOG trial, but when the dust settles I am thinking Rhapsody + Last.FM will be what I stick with for now. It seems most of the "on demand" services don't have very good radio features so I like having one service for on-demand and one for radio.

Yeah, Rhapsody bought Napster, but I don't know if they have announced what it means for UK Napster customers.

I think everyone has explained it by now, but to reiterate... even though you need a mysb account to use some of the services, you never need to connect your players to mysb if you have a local server running. However, it does come in handy every now and again when the server PC needs maintenance or is down for whatever reason.

wonder boy
2011-11-14, 15:38
I have been using spotify premium 10 per month for the last two months and found it to be excellent.

I use Triode's excellent plugin (much better than the official one for radio & touch) and am having a ball.

Can't really seeing when or if I will buy another CD, the quality for me is great and the availability of stuff I want to listen to is almost 100% so far.

Having a crack at old school live albums at the mo, The Who at Leeds, Thin Lizzy Live and dangerous, Johnny Cash at Folsom etc etc. All good stuff, I would certainly recommend a trial, don't think you need mysb.com.

cliveb
2011-11-15, 01:49
OK, thanks to everyone who has replied. Pleased to hear about the mysb.com integration in SBS. I think I will try loading up a recent SBS/LMS on a spare machine and have a play.

One other important thing I didn't mention in my original post is that I use a few 3rd party plugins that absolutely MUST continue to work:
- Power Switch II
- Power Save
- Other Players
(I also use Custom Browse and Lazy Search, but could live without them).

So I will need to find a version of SBS/LMS that supports these plugins AND mysb.com integration. Is that possible?

garym
2011-11-15, 04:08
OK, thanks to everyone who has replied. Pleased to hear about the mysb.com integration in SBS. I think I will try loading up a recent SBS/LMS on a spare machine and have a play.

One other important thing I didn't mention in my original post is that I use a few 3rd party plugins that absolutely MUST continue to work:
- Power Switch II
- Power Save
- Other Players
(I also use Custom Browse and Lazy Search, but could live without them).

So I will need to find a version of SBS/LMS that supports these plugins AND mysb.com integration. Is that possible?

Mysb.com integration works with EVERY version of SbS or LMS. So create account and add credentials to whatever version of SbS you currently use. Doing this won't interfere with your plugins.

jacamie
2011-11-16, 03:01
Napster is going away soon anyway, so don't bother with them. They were purchased by Rhapsody.
Yes you need a MySB.com account to use most services. Your SBS server will connect too MySB.com.
Your player itself need not ever connect directly to MySB.com.


This isn't true in the UK.... The Rhapsody/Napster deal is a US thing and doesn't affect the Napster service in the UK at all.

My understanding is that Napster has considerably more music than Spotify, but Spotify streams at 320k vs Napster's 160k. Napster is 5 monthly and Spotify is 10.

I use Napster personally and have yet to find anything that has 30 second previews. Am very happy with Napster but haven't tried Spotify.

toby10
2011-11-16, 03:11
This isn't true in the UK.... The Rhapsody/Napster deal is a US thing and doesn't affect the Napster service in the UK at all.....

Good to know, thanks. :)
Looks like the same for Napster Canada and Germany, only US assets are being acquired by Rhapsody.

Mnyb
2011-11-16, 10:34
Can confirm that other players plugin works in 7.7.1

toby10
2011-11-16, 13:42
Can confirm that other players plugin works in 7.7.1

Can you elaborate? Thanks. :)

gruntwolla
2011-11-16, 14:12
[QUOTE=I use Napster personally and have yet to find anything that has 30 second previews. Am very happy with Napster but haven't tried Spotify.[/QUOTE]

You must be lucky! I've encountered loads of those 30 second previews lately.
I like Napster but am currently running Spotify as well. The combined cost of 15 per month is worth it for me as between the 2 I seem to find most of what I seek.

Regards,
Trev

pski
2011-11-16, 18:36
I'm a long-time Squeezebox user, and have until now used it only for my own local library and *very* occasional internet radio (via the local Squeezebox Server). Still running SqueezeCenter 7.3.2, and very happy with it. Have never had an account with mysqueezebox.com (or whatever it's called these days).

It occurs to me that perhaps I should be looking into some of these internet streaming services such as Spotify, Napster, etc. Having them would give us the chance to sample new music before we buy. But this brings up some questions:

1. Do these streaming services require running via mysqueezebox.com, or can I run them via a local server? I really don't want to sign up with msb.com.

2. Is there a minimum version of SqueezeBox server I would need to upgrade to in order to run these streaming services?

3. Any opinions about which is the best streaming service - bearing in mind that my wife & I are in our 50's and like quality rock from the 1970s. Any new stuff we're likely to enjoy is probably not going to be mainstream chart acts. So I guess what I'm asking is which service has the best selection of the more obscure artists. (Not weird music per se - just the less well-known performers).

Never mind those. If you have a hardware SBS player, the best deal is Pandora.

1. You must have a SBS version that does Mysqueezebox.com. I cannot recommend the current edition. Find or search for the last 7.5.x version of SBS. You will sign-up-in to MYB.com. After you sign-up, you will go to webUI/settings/MSB tab and enter the user/password you set up with MYSB. Then, when you sign-in to MYSB.com, you can add the pandora stuff.

This is sooo simple.

Logitech has NO UI specialists. Just have a look at their other install software.

P
2. On your hardware, you will be able to create and listen to Pandora channels at 128K (where the online PC version is at 64K.) When using the webUI, there are no ads but recently there are some audio ads.
3. A Pandora channel corresponds to artist(s) you like. Your likes are played with human matched music that is similar.

P

garym
2011-11-16, 18:50
Never mind those. If you have a hardware SBS player, the best deal is Pandora.

1. You must have a SBS version that does Mysqueezebox.com. I cannot recommend the current edition. Find or search for the last 7.5.x version of SBS. You will sign-up-in to MYB.com. After you sign-up, you will go to webUI/settings/MSB tab and enter the user/password you set up with MYSB. Then, when you sign-in to MYSB.com, you can add the pandora stuff.

This is sooo simple.

Logitech has NO UI specialists. Just have a look at their other install software.

P
2. On your hardware, you will be able to create and listen to Pandora channels at 128K (where the online PC version is at 64K.) When using the webUI, there are no ads but recently there are some audio ads.
3. A Pandora channel corresponds to artist(s) you like. Your likes are played with human matched music that is similar.

P

I like pandora too for interesting mixes. But I can't listen to entire albums on pandora and I can on spotify. I'm still old school enough to eventually buy the CDs of things I really like, but this gives me the chance to check out an entire catalog first.

p-cubed
2011-11-16, 23:22
MOG has provided very good sound quality, is half the price of Spotify, with a comparable or better catalog. The MOG catalog seems to have far less dross and duplicates than Spotify. It was very easy to set up.

Pascal Hibon
2011-11-16, 23:46
I'm a bit confused now. I didn't think one needed a my squeezebox.com account when using Triode's plugin for Spotify. Reading this threat leads to the suggestion that you do.
Can someone take away this confusion?

garym
2011-11-17, 07:40
I'm sure this is mentioned somewhere, but don't recall seeing a clear statement as to whether MOG will work via the logitech app on ALL types of SB players (booms, SB3, transporter, etc.). That is, for example Spotify will not work on anything other than a TOUCH or RADIO with the logitech app. It takes the triode 3rd party plugin to make it work on other players. Is this not a limitation of the MOG app??? Thanks for any info.

MeSue
2011-11-17, 11:41
I'm sure this is mentioned somewhere, but don't recall seeing a clear statement as to whether MOG will work via the logitech app on ALL types of SB players (booms, SB3, transporter, etc.). That is, for example Spotify will not work on anything other than a TOUCH or RADIO with the logitech app. It takes the triode 3rd party plugin to make it work on other players. Is this not a limitation of the MOG app??? Thanks for any info.

MOG works on all players.

garym
2011-11-17, 11:43
MOG works on all players.

thanks. I'll try the free trial and compare with my spotify use.

MeSue
2011-11-17, 11:53
thanks. I'll try the free trial and compare with my spotify use.

I like MOG better than Spotify (although I haven't used the latest versions of Triode's plugin) but I still prefer Rhapsody out of the 3. There are some things I've found in Rhapsody that aren't on MOG, and Rhapsody is more accurate/better organized with some things. (Album release years are all messed up on MOG, which annoys me no end, and I don't like how EPs, singles, and full albums are thrown together.)

cliveb
2011-11-26, 11:34
I've now spent a bit of time experimenting with Vortexbox 1.10 - which works very nicely - and have established that all the old plugins I want to use still work. So I think the next step is to try out one of the streaming services. Having seen various comments, I'm inclined towards Napster.

However, I can find no way of looking at their music library to see what sort of stuff they have available. I'm guessing that you have to actually register for their 30 day trial before you get to find out what they have. Is that really the case, or have I just missed something on their website that would allow me to search their library?