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Tim Limon
2004-10-11, 20:47
I've been chasing this one down for a few weeks now. My wired Squeezebox
looses contact almost daily. At first I thought it was my router, so I
RMA'd a new one via Linksys. Then I thought it was a bug in the 5.3.1
Server software, because it never used to happen. I downgraded to firmware
32 (5.3.1) and it still happened. I downgraded to firmware 29 and
Slimserver 5.2.1 and it still happens.

Windows XP SP2
No Firewall
Netgear 4 port switch
Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router
No Virus Checker

The server and the squeezebox are plugged in to the same switch, which is in
tern plugged in to the router.

Tails of my woe can be found in the attached thread. Have you any advice
for me?

Michael Alletto
2004-10-12, 07:45
I really think its the "Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router" and its firmware.
I had problems with my same router also. Disconnects with day of
defeat, the router losing its dhcp table. Next time you get a
disconnect go look at the dhcp table under the admin screens for the
linksys router. I bet your PC as well as the squeezebox won't be
there (in fact it will be empty). The PC will keep connectivity, but
the squeezebox doesn't. I bought a netgear router and haven't had a
problem since I installed it. It seems as though ever since cisco
bought linksys there has been nothing but problems with the firmware.


On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:47:31 -0700, Tim Limon <tlimon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> I've been chasing this one down for a few weeks now. My wired Squeezebox
> looses contact almost daily. At first I thought it was my router, so I
> RMA'd a new one via Linksys. Then I thought it was a bug in the 5.3.1
> Server software, because it never used to happen. I downgraded to firmware
> 32 (5.3.1) and it still happened. I downgraded to firmware 29 and
> Slimserver 5.2.1 and it still happens.
>
> Windows XP SP2
> No Firewall
> Netgear 4 port switch
> Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router
> No Virus Checker
>
> The server and the squeezebox are plugged in to the same switch, which is in
> tern plugged in to the router.
>
> Tails of my woe can be found in the attached thread. Have you any advice
> for me?
>
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Tim Limon
2004-10-12, 20:07
Hmmmm, But it used to work. I've had the system up from January to
September with no issues. This is a new router but:....the DHCP Clients
Table was blank except for the office pc. When I restarted the Squeezebox,
I see a garbled entry: " #" " with the proper mac address. Hmmm I'll
have to have a chat with customer service to see if a refund is in order
(yeah, right..) Oh well, its worth a try.

"Michael Alletto" <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
in message news:49536fef0410120745ae3ca72 (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
>I really think its the "Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router" and its firmware.
> I had problems with my same router also. Disconnects with day of
> defeat, the router losing its dhcp table. Next time you get a
> disconnect go look at the dhcp table under the admin screens for the
> linksys router. I bet your PC as well as the squeezebox won't be
> there (in fact it will be empty). The PC will keep connectivity, but
> the squeezebox doesn't. I bought a netgear router and haven't had a
> problem since I installed it. It seems as though ever since cisco
> bought linksys there has been nothing but problems with the firmware.
>
>
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:47:31 -0700, Tim Limon
> <tlimon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
>> I've been chasing this one down for a few weeks now. My wired Squeezebox
>> looses contact almost daily. At first I thought it was my router, so I
>> RMA'd a new one via Linksys. Then I thought it was a bug in the 5.3.1
>> Server software, because it never used to happen. I downgraded to
>> firmware
>> 32 (5.3.1) and it still happened. I downgraded to firmware 29 and
>> Slimserver 5.2.1 and it still happens.
>>
>> Windows XP SP2
>> No Firewall
>> Netgear 4 port switch
>> Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router
>> No Virus Checker
>>
>> The server and the squeezebox are plugged in to the same switch, which is
>> in
>> tern plugged in to the router.
>>
>> Tails of my woe can be found in the attached thread. Have you any advice
>> for me?
>>
>> begin 666 [slim] SlimServer 5.3.0 crashes when using SoftSqueeze.nws
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>>

Michael Alletto
2004-10-13, 08:44
Yeah, mine used to work also. Its probably a combination of the
linksys router doing something funky that wasn't revealed until the
new squeezebox firmware. All I know is that when I went to a
different brand for the router my problem disappeared entirely. The
router only cost me 19 bucks or so so I figured why not.

Have you tried assigning the squeezebox a static IP address? I never
tried that but it may help.


On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:07:42 -0700, Tim Limon <tlimon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> Hmmmm, But it used to work. I've had the system up from January to
> September with no issues. This is a new router but:....the DHCP Clients
> Table was blank except for the office pc. When I restarted the Squeezebox,
> I see a garbled entry: " #" " with the proper mac address. Hmmm I'll
> have to have a chat with customer service to see if a refund is in order
> (yeah, right..) Oh well, its worth a try.
>
> "Michael Alletto" <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
> in message news:49536fef0410120745ae3ca72 (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
>
>
> >I really think its the "Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router" and its firmware.
> > I had problems with my same router also. Disconnects with day of
> > defeat, the router losing its dhcp table. Next time you get a
> > disconnect go look at the dhcp table under the admin screens for the
> > linksys router. I bet your PC as well as the squeezebox won't be
> > there (in fact it will be empty). The PC will keep connectivity, but
> > the squeezebox doesn't. I bought a netgear router and haven't had a
> > problem since I installed it. It seems as though ever since cisco
> > bought linksys there has been nothing but problems with the firmware.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:47:31 -0700, Tim Limon
> > <tlimon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> >> I've been chasing this one down for a few weeks now. My wired Squeezebox
> >> looses contact almost daily. At first I thought it was my router, so I
> >> RMA'd a new one via Linksys. Then I thought it was a bug in the 5.3.1
> >> Server software, because it never used to happen. I downgraded to
> >> firmware
> >> 32 (5.3.1) and it still happened. I downgraded to firmware 29 and
> >> Slimserver 5.2.1 and it still happens.
> >>
> >> Windows XP SP2
> >> No Firewall
> >> Netgear 4 port switch
> >> Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router
> >> No Virus Checker
> >>
> >> The server and the squeezebox are plugged in to the same switch, which is
> >> in
> >> tern plugged in to the router.
> >>
> >> Tails of my woe can be found in the attached thread. Have you any advice
> >> for me?
> >>
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> >>
> >>

Tim Limon
2004-10-14, 06:54
Thanks for the tip Michael,
I looked through the release history on the Linksys firmware and noticed
some changes to the DHCP service. I found an older revision (1.50) made
prior to the DHCP stuff and installed it on the router. It's been 24 hours
and the connection is still live. The DHCP Clients Table also remains
intact. I think you've solved it. Thanks again!

BTW: How does your squeezebox show up in your netgear clients table? Is it
" #" " or something more coherent?

--tim

"Michael Alletto" <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
in message news:49536fef0410130844359eecfd (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
Yeah, mine used to work also. Its probably a combination of the
linksys router doing something funky that wasn't revealed until the
new squeezebox firmware. All I know is that when I went to a
different brand for the router my problem disappeared entirely. The
router only cost me 19 bucks or so so I figured why not.

Have you tried assigning the squeezebox a static IP address? I never
tried that but it may help.


On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:07:42 -0700, Tim Limon
<tlimon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> Hmmmm, But it used to work. I've had the system up from January to
> September with no issues. This is a new router but:....the DHCP Clients
> Table was blank except for the office pc. When I restarted the
> Squeezebox,
> I see a garbled entry: " #" " with the proper mac address. Hmmm I'll
> have to have a chat with customer service to see if a refund is in order
> (yeah, right..) Oh well, its worth a try.
>
> "Michael Alletto" <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
> in message
> news:49536fef0410120745ae3ca72 (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
>
>
> >I really think its the "Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router" and its firmware.
> > I had problems with my same router also. Disconnects with day of
> > defeat, the router losing its dhcp table. Next time you get a
> > disconnect go look at the dhcp table under the admin screens for the
> > linksys router. I bet your PC as well as the squeezebox won't be
> > there (in fact it will be empty). The PC will keep connectivity, but
> > the squeezebox doesn't. I bought a netgear router and haven't had a
> > problem since I installed it. It seems as though ever since cisco
> > bought linksys there has been nothing but problems with the firmware.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:47:31 -0700, Tim Limon
> > <tlimon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> >> I've been chasing this one down for a few weeks now. My wired
> >> Squeezebox
> >> looses contact almost daily. At first I thought it was my router, so I
> >> RMA'd a new one via Linksys. Then I thought it was a bug in the 5.3.1
> >> Server software, because it never used to happen. I downgraded to
> >> firmware
> >> 32 (5.3.1) and it still happened. I downgraded to firmware 29 and
> >> Slimserver 5.2.1 and it still happens.
> >>
> >> Windows XP SP2
> >> No Firewall
> >> Netgear 4 port switch
> >> Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router
> >> No Virus Checker
> >>
> >> The server and the squeezebox are plugged in to the same switch, which
> >> is
> >> in
> >> tern plugged in to the router.
> >>
> >> Tails of my woe can be found in the attached thread. Have you any
> >> advice
> >> for me?
> >>
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> >> M96YC93H@;&ES= T*3&ES="U)9#H@4VQI;2!$979I8V5S($1I<V-U<W-I;VX@
> >> M/&1I<V-U<W,N;&ES=',N<VQI;61E=FEC97,N8V]M/@T*3&ES="U5;G-U8G-C
> >> M<FEB93H@/&AT=' Z+R]L:7-T<RYS;&EM9&5V:6-E<RYC;VTO;&ES=',O;&ES
> >> M=&EN9F\O9&ES8W5S<SXL#0H)/&UA:6QT;SID:7-C=7-S+7)E<75E<W0M.&MK
> >> M9V-V2%)/8G=V1'I6;D]Q66%O<'%113=Y0VI$>#5 <'5B;&EC+F=M86YE+F]R
> >> M9S]S=6)J96-T/75N<W5B<V-R:6)E/@T*3&ES="U!<F-H:79E.B \:'1T<#HO
> >> M+VQI<W1S+G-L:6UD979I8V5S+F-O;2]A<F-H:79E<R]D:7-C=7-S/@T*3&ES
> >> M="U0;W-T.B \;6%I;'1O.F1I<V-U<W,M.&MK9V-V2%)/8G=V1'I6;D]Q66%O
> >> M<'%113=Y0VI$>#5 <'5B;&EC+F=M86YE+F]R9SX-"DQI<W0M2&5L<#H@/&UA
> >> M:6QT;SID:7-C=7-S+7)E<75E<W0M.&MK9V-V2%)/8G=V1'I6;D]Q66%O<'%1
> >> M13=Y0VI$>#5 <'5B;&EC+F=M86YE+F]R9S]S=6)J96-T/6AE;' ^#0I,:7-T
> >> M+5-U8G-C<FEB93H@/&AT=' Z+R]L:7-T<RYS;&EM9&5V:6-E<RYC;VTO;&ES
> >> M=',O;&ES=&EN9F\O9&ES8W5S<SXL#0H)/&UA:6QT;SID:7-C=7-S+7)E<75E
> >> M<W0M.&MK9V-V2%)/8G=V1'I6;D]Q66%O<'%113=Y0VI$>#5 <'5B;&EC+F=M
> >> M86YE+F]R9S]S=6)J96-T/7-U8G-C<FEB93X-"D5R<F]R<RU4;SH@9&ES8W5S
> >> M<RUB;W5N8V5S+3AK:V=C=DA23V)W=D1Z5FY/<5EA;W!Q444W>4-J1'@U0'!U
> >> M8FQI8RYG;6%N92YO<F<-"EAR968Z(&UA:6XN9VUA;F4N;W)G(&=M86YE+FUU
> >> M<VEC+F5Q=6EP;65N="YS;&EM9&5V:6-E<RYG96YE<F%L.C$U-#0Q#0I8+5)E
> >> M<&]R="U3<&%M.B!H='1P.B\O<W!A;2YG;6%N92YO<F<O9VUA;F4N;75S:6,N
> >> M97%U:7!M96YT+G-L:6UD979I8V5S+F=E;F5R86PZ,34T-#$-"@T*37D@4VQI
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> >> M87)T=7 @;V8@=&AE(&%P<&QI8V%T:6]N(&ES(&9I;F4L(&)U="!T:&4@9FER
> >> M<W0@871T96UP="!T;R!A8V-E<W,@86YY(&]F(&UY('!L87EL:7-T<R!L96%D
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> >> M(&9O<B!%=F5N="!)1" H(# @*2!I;B!3;W5R8V4@*"!!<'!L:6-A=&EO;B I
> >> M(&-A;FYO="!B92!F;W5N9"X@5&AE(&QO8V%L(&-O;7!U=&5R(&UA>2!N;W0@
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> >> M87)T(&]F('1H92!E=F5N=#H@26QL96=A;"!D:79I<VEO;B!B>2!Z97)O(&%T
> >> M("]097)L07!P+U-L:6TO4&QA>65R+U-Q=65E>F5B;WA'+G!M(&QI;F4@-3(R
> >> M+@T*+B(-"@T*5&AE(&QA<W0@=&AI;F<@22!T<FEE9"!P<FEO<B!T;R!T:&EN
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> >> M;F0@<V-R;VQL('!A=7-E(&9O<B!T:&4@4V]F=%-Q=65E>F4@9&5V:6-E('1O
> >> M(# L('=H:6-H(&UA>2!O<B!M87D@;F]T(&)E(')E;&%T960@=&\@=&AE(&-R
> >> M87-H+B!);B!A;GD@8V%S92P@:71S(#$P,"4@<F5P<F]D=6-I8FQE+@T*#0I3
> >> M97)V97(@9&5T86EL<SH-"C,N,"!'2'H@4&5N=&EU;2 T+" Q($="(%)!32P@
> >> 75VEN9&]W<R R,# P(%-0- T*#0I+96X`
> >> `
> >> end
> >>
> >>

Michael Alletto
2004-10-14, 08:01
I'm pretty sure its not a bunch of characters, but I'll need to look.
I think it might be just the IP address and MAC address listed with no
name. I never saw it listed as gibberish in the linksys table either.


On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:54:08 -0700, Tim Limon <tlimon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> Thanks for the tip Michael,
> I looked through the release history on the Linksys firmware and noticed
> some changes to the DHCP service. I found an older revision (1.50) made
> prior to the DHCP stuff and installed it on the router. It's been 24 hours
> and the connection is still live. The DHCP Clients Table also remains
> intact. I think you've solved it. Thanks again!
>
> BTW: How does your squeezebox show up in your netgear clients table? Is it
> " #" " or something more coherent?
>
> --tim
>
> "Michael Alletto" <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
> in message news:49536fef0410130844359eecfd (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
>
>
> Yeah, mine used to work also. Its probably a combination of the
> linksys router doing something funky that wasn't revealed until the
> new squeezebox firmware. All I know is that when I went to a
> different brand for the router my problem disappeared entirely. The
> router only cost me 19 bucks or so so I figured why not.
>
> Have you tried assigning the squeezebox a static IP address? I never
> tried that but it may help.
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:07:42 -0700, Tim Limon
> <tlimon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > Hmmmm, But it used to work. I've had the system up from January to
> > September with no issues. This is a new router but:....the DHCP Clients
> > Table was blank except for the office pc. When I restarted the
> > Squeezebox,
> > I see a garbled entry: " #" " with the proper mac address. Hmmm I'll
> > have to have a chat with customer service to see if a refund is in order
> > (yeah, right..) Oh well, its worth a try.
> >
> > "Michael Alletto" <malletto (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote
> > in message
> > news:49536fef0410120745ae3ca72 (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com...
> >
> >
> > >I really think its the "Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router" and its firmware.
> > > I had problems with my same router also. Disconnects with day of
> > > defeat, the router losing its dhcp table. Next time you get a
> > > disconnect go look at the dhcp table under the admin screens for the
> > > linksys router. I bet your PC as well as the squeezebox won't be
> > > there (in fact it will be empty). The PC will keep connectivity, but
> > > the squeezebox doesn't. I bought a netgear router and haven't had a
> > > problem since I installed it. It seems as though ever since cisco
> > > bought linksys there has been nothing but problems with the firmware.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:47:31 -0700, Tim Limon
> > > <tlimon (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
> > >> I've been chasing this one down for a few weeks now. My wired
> > >> Squeezebox
> > >> looses contact almost daily. At first I thought it was my router, so I
> > >> RMA'd a new one via Linksys. Then I thought it was a bug in the 5.3.1
> > >> Server software, because it never used to happen. I downgraded to
> > >> firmware
> > >> 32 (5.3.1) and it still happened. I downgraded to firmware 29 and
> > >> Slimserver 5.2.1 and it still happens.
> > >>
> > >> Windows XP SP2
> > >> No Firewall
> > >> Netgear 4 port switch
> > >> Linksys BEFWS11 V4 Router
> > >> No Virus Checker
> > >>
> > >> The server and the squeezebox are plugged in to the same switch, which
> > >> is
> > >> in
> > >> tern plugged in to the router.
> > >>
> > >> Tails of my woe can be found in the attached thread. Have you any
> > >> advice
> > >> for me?
> > >>
> > >> begin 666 [slim] SlimServer 5.3.0 crashes when using SoftSqueeze.nws
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> > >> M=F5R(#4N,RXP(&-R87-H97,@=VAE;B!U<VEN9R!3;V9T4W%U965Z90T*1&%T
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> > >> M86]P<5%%-WE#:D1X-4!P=6)L:6,N9VUA;F4N;W)G#0I!<'!R;W9E9#H@;F5W
> > >> M<T!G;6%N92YO<F<-"DUE<W-A9V4M240Z(#QC:C R;3@D:V-T)#% <V5A+F=M
> > >> M86YE+F]R9SX-"E)E<&QY+51O.B!3;&EM($1E=FEC97,@1&ES8W5S<VEO;B \
> > >> M9&ES8W5S<RTX:VMG8W9(4D]B=W9$>E9N3W%986]P<5%%-WE#:D1X-4!P=6)L
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> > >> M<'5B;&EC+F=M86YE+F]R9R!&<FD@4V5P(#(T(# U.C T.C$S(#(P,#0-"E)E
> > >> M='5R;BUP871H.B \9&ES8W5S<RUB;W5N8V5S+3AK:V=C=DA23V)W=D1Z5FY/
> > >> M<5EA;W!Q444W>4-J1'@U0'!U8FQI8RYG;6%N92YO<F<^#0I/<FEG:6YA;"U2
> > >> M96-E:79E9#H@9G)O;2!L:7-T<RYS;&EM9&5V:6-E<RYC;VT@*%LV-"XW,2XQ
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> > >> `
> > >> end
> > >>
> > >>