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pcourtney
2011-09-03, 14:06
I have been using my iPad this last few hours to setup a "Random Mix" of party music tonight, in fact the party kicked off 30 minutes ago :-)

Total Tracks: 786
Total Albums: 62
Total Artists: 62
Total Genres: 5
Total Party Playing Time: 57:40:09

You can setup the Random Mix by the following :

Song Mix
Album Mix
Artist Mix
Year Mix
Choose Genres

I have set it to "Song Mix" and it is very basic, it just takes the first album and track 1, then second album, track 2, third album track 3, so yes it is random, but logical random, not all the over the place random, no matter it is doing the job of a DJ better than me :-)

you can toggle between all the mixes and it works really well, but I have left it at "Song Mix"


am only on the tenth track in and it takes over 10 or 20 seconds for the cover art to appear on the iPad, and this is with the iPad 1 metre away from the Netgear DG834GT router with a super strong signal, so the fact that is takes so long for artwork to appear does not bode well !

also, a track finishes playing on the speakers, but it is still showing 20 to 30 seconds to go on the iPad, the new track starts playing on the speakers, but the iPad is way behind refreshing with track info and cover artwork, this is poor programming, as easy to spot this type of lag I would have thought at the software quality control stage.

just a little bit of stuttering going on though, only at the beginning of a track, and only 1 in 10 tunes, but watching it closely tonight

In its defence, all the Tag information is displayable and works super, these are WAV files as well, so just by clicking on the Artist name above the artwork gives you all the Album info, and "Show Artwork" brings you back to the player

"More Info" brings up the track number, file format, Duration,
Bitrate 1411 CBR, Sample Rate 44.1 kHz, Sample Size 16 bits,
Tag Version ID3v2.3.0 and View Tags

"View Tags" brings up APIC,COMM, TALB,TCON, TDRC, TIT2, TPE1, TPE2, TRCK etc

yep, all seems to be there, well its going to be a long night, but this will be a stern test for the iPad, the 4 SBR's, the SBS server, and I cannot say I am very confident, but it does have potential if Logitech could be bothered to really put it all together one day, maybe !

garym
2011-09-03, 14:21
Check out ipengHD and squeezepad. Both are so much nicer than the logitech free app. Enjoy the party!!

pippin
2011-09-03, 14:23
How about trying one of the real iPad Spps like iPeng for iPad or SqueezePad?
Hell, iPeng even has a party mode ;)

pcourtney
2011-09-03, 14:23
that would be too easy Gary :-)

somebody has to give it a thrashing and report back all the gory details on here, we are after all a Logitech bashing forum, are we not ??

garym
2011-09-03, 14:28
that would be too easy Gary :-)

somebody has to give it a thrashing and report back all the gory details on here, we are after all a Logitech bashing forum, are we not ??

Not in my 3,000+ posts. For me it's a learn new stuff, get help, and provide help forum. ;-)
And you really should try a real remote control app!

garym
2011-09-03, 14:30
Not in my 3,000+ posts. For me it's a learn new stuff, get help, and provide help forum. ;-)
And you really should try a real remote control app!

And for random play, erland's dynamic playlist and SQL playlist plugins are incredibly useful. I couldn't do without them.

bluegaspode
2011-09-03, 14:32
SqueezePad also has a party mode that protects your playlist from being erased by an unthoughful tap of a user.

Just change the 'playlist modification mode' to 'always add to end'. Served me well on all of my parties ...

pcourtney
2011-09-03, 14:40
thanks for all the plugs for other iPad apps folks, I know about them all for some time, so you are not really getting the point of the exercise, which is to give this Logitech developed application a run out - and what better conditions than a big party in London, so please don't keep harping on about other ways to do this, I see all the apps in the iTunes store, I am not some pathetic newbie who needs that sort advice, it really is pathetic you guys !

the reason for the thread is to put the Logi iPad app through its paces, do you think you can all PLEASE get your head around that, gee whizz, people, it really does amaze me that you think you are making some sort of contribution to the thread by telling me to use something else 2 hours into the party.

I am beginning to wonder why I bother even typing into this forum sometimes...........

pcourtney
2011-09-03, 14:44
How about trying one of the real iPad Spps like iPeng for iPad or SqueezePad?

come on pippin, give the free app a little airplay for gods sake, rather than pushing your app, this thread is not about iPeng or Squeezepad, get it !

bluegaspode
2011-09-03, 14:47
so you are not really getting the point of the exercise [...] the reason for the thread is to put the Logi iPad app through its paces
I'm sorry, this was not obvious from your first post.
It rather sounded like you are not confident in that App or it makes you trouble that's why people wanted to help and suggested you alternatives to keep you from the pain.

Happy testing!

danull
2011-09-03, 14:47
Based on your tone and presence here the party must be going very well ;-)

Mnyb
2011-09-03, 14:49
they paid for apps are much quicker as gary sugested, however some artwork processing is done by the server to give you artsizes not precached during the scan . IPeng uses some of it's own sizes too

also if you turn of artwork precaching to make faster scans you pay in this end instead . as the standard sizes are not in the cache ( artwork.db )
i supose art from already played tunes will apaear faster ?

also size matters reasonable sized jpg is the best compromise, bmp or png is not a god idea it craves more memory and cpu to resize, 500*500 pixels jpg seems to satisfy most users.

IPeng processes any art SqueezePad may choke above 1200*1200 px I have some insanely huge art just because I can ;)

people running SBS on quad core servers may not notice these sublte differences, using a relatively ligth server I've noticed real diferences in cpu use with for example SB3 that needs no art and controlling My Touch with my Controller ( 2 squeezeplay devices needing art at the same time ).

garym
2011-09-03, 14:50
thanks for all the plugs for other iPad apps folks, I know about them all for some time, so you are not really getting the point of the exercise, which is to give this Logitech developed application a run out - and what better conditions than a big party in London, so please don't keep harping on about other ways to do this, I see all the apps in the iTunes store, I am not some pathetic newbie who needs that sort advice, it really is pathetic you guys !

the reason for the thread is to put the Logi iPad app through its paces, do you think you can all PLEASE get your head around that, gee whizz, people, it really does amaze me that you think you are making some sort of contribution to the thread by telling me to use something else 2 hours into the party.

I am beginning to wonder why I bother even typing into this forum sometimes...........

People make friendly suggestions to you on this forum and you take it all as a personal attack and then accuse us of being stupid or money grubbers. I've tried to overlook your various rude and pedantic responses here and elsewhere, assuming you might calm down and become a productive member of the community. But now I see this is impossible. Please go away.

pcourtney
2011-09-03, 14:50
I'm sorry, this was not obvious from your first post.
It rather sounded like you are not confident in that App or it makes you trouble that's why people wanted to help and suggested you alternatives to keep you from the pain.Happy testing!

no problem, I keep forgetting that I have to be more careful in future, and really spell it all out before I post, never mind, you live and learn, thanks for the input as always

pcourtney
2011-09-03, 15:05
[QUOTE=Mnyb;655263also size matters reasonable sized jpg is the best compromise, bmp or png is not a god idea it craves more memory and cpu to resize, 500*500 pixels jpg seems to satisfy most users[/QUOTE]

the good news is that they are all jpegs, but I guess they all need to be trimmed a bit and make sure they are all under the 500*500 before I blame the app for it, but I can probably do that before well before the party ends, yep, here we go

http://www.virtualzone.de/resizer/

pcourtney
2011-09-03, 15:09
People make friendly suggestions to you on this forum and you take it all as a personal attack and then accuse us of being stupid or money grubbers. I've tried to overlook your various rude and pedantic responses here and elsewhere, assuming you might calm down and become a productive member of the community. But now I see this is impossible. Please go away.

your right, it is my fault for not writing a 200 word introduction and letting everyone know in advance that I was not looking for alternatives to the free app, just wanting to give it a real life scenario like tonight's party, so sorry for me being so stupid

By the way, you go away, I started this thread, what are you some overlord on this forum or something, I am man enough to apologise to your readership that I should have started off the thread with a full introduction, so if you don't mind.

garym
2011-09-03, 15:17
your right, it is my fault for not writing a 200 word introduction and letting everyone know in advance that I was not looking for alternatives to the free app, just wanting to give it a real life scenario like tonight's party, so sorry for me being so stupid

By the way, you go away, I started this thread, what are you some overlord on this forum or something, I am man enough to apologise to your readership that I should have started off the thread with a full introduction, so if you don't mind.

I'm not in charge of anything here. And I'm not talking about just this thread. But I've nothing more to say on the subject. You've exhausted my patience.

pippin
2011-09-03, 15:48
SqueezePad also has a party mode that protects your playlist from being erased by an unthoughful tap of a user.

Just change the 'playlist modification mode' to 'always add to end'. Served me well on all of my parties ...

Just don't try Pandora or Slacker ;)
To be fair, iPeng's party mode isn't perfect there as well.

pippin
2011-09-03, 15:51
come on pippin, give the free app a little airplay for gods sake, rather than pushing your app, this thread is not about iPeng or Squeezepad, get it !

Sorry, like bluegaspode I mistook your initial post and with "real" Apps I was referring to native vs. Web Apps.

pcourtney
2011-09-03, 15:56
Based on your tone and presence here the party must be going very well ;-)

it is now Sir, three hours later, everyone is rocking like crazy, the volume has gone up a few notches, and all the girls are dancing the night away, whooo hayyyy !

but this box of Corona beer in the corner also helps - party on :-)

this iPad app has survived the party, it is not perfect, but I can really see the potential, it is a good starter for ten, and that bodes well for people who then want extra bells & whistles to buy iPeng or Squeezepad if they want, but for now well done Logitech - keep working hard at it guys !

slate
2011-09-03, 16:15
Are you also testing Corona beer or are people allowed to suggest something better?!

pcourtney
2011-09-03, 16:38
Corona beer

the host supplied the beer, the wine and the food, and hired the fantastic JBL speakers, so must not complain too much, I am loving the sound of these JBL active speakers he hired for tonight, they are really belting out some great sounds, about midnight we went really loud, four Duet Receivers into a pair of these babies at full volume ( so 8 x active 300w speakers)

http://www.decks.co.uk/products/jbl/eon15_g2

the house was shaking, well nearly :-)

luckily all his neighbours are at the party as well !

bluegaspode
2011-09-03, 16:38
this iPad app has survived the party, it is not perfect, but I can really see the potential

Just to understand your setup: you created a playlist before the party started and the iPad was only operated by yourself? Were your guests allowed to have wishes for new music and have you been able to incorporate them easily?

I think when me and pippin think of party it's rather our own 'small' parties in our own home where the iPad is handed around so that everyone is allowed to browse the library (and manipulate/extend the playlist).
Of course a totally different setup to the one you just tried - so waiting for your next test with this setup :)

pcourtney
2011-09-03, 18:01
your right, whilst I have been letting guests look at the iPad screen, the cover art, and the playlists, the random mix playlist has not been influenced by guests, I cannot really see a way how to search for material and play, and the mix just carries on after that track has played

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m595/Peter_Cix/56037a84.jpg

pippin
2011-09-03, 18:13
your right, whilst I have been letting guests look at the iPad screen, the cover art, and the playlists, the random mix playlist has not been influenced by guests, I cannot really see a way how to search for material and play, and the mix just carries on after that track has played


Well, that's what party mode does...
But actually you can do that with the Logitech App, too, but be prepared that your guests might accidentally blow away the playlist.

Just add tracks with "play next" and the random mix will continue after the added track.

pcourtney
2011-09-04, 14:19
you can do that with the Logitech App, just add tracks with "play next" and the random mix will continue after the added track

I tried that, but could not get it to work, it was a good party anyway and the Logitech app worked, so that really the point of the exercise, maybe they will make some improvements to it over the years, maybe not !

pippin
2011-09-04, 14:46
I tried that, but could not get it to work, it was a good party anyway and the Logitech app worked, so that really the point of the exercise, maybe they will make some improvements to it over the years, maybe not !

I mean: it's not a big "worked" if you start random playback once before the party and that's it for interaction then, isn't it? I mean, a command line would have done for that, it's really not a big thing.

The fun with parties starts when people can add stuff they like and play DJ themselves.
You can get to "add next" when you "hold" a track in the Logi App. And yes, it works.