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Phil Leigh
2011-08-26, 07:10
...For a DLNA-capable hardware "client" / player to connect to SBS in the same way that SB hardware does? - by which I mean, it would be able to be controlled via (say) iPeng or the Web UI and take advantage of the SBS infrastructure such as server-side transcoding?

pippin
2011-08-26, 07:47
No.
At least if you are talking about players that are ONLY capable of DLNA.

Phil Leigh
2011-08-26, 07:53
No.
At least if you are talking about players that are ONLY capable of DLNA.

What would a player need? SlimProto support?

pippin
2011-08-26, 08:20
yes.

Phil Leigh
2011-08-26, 08:41
It would be neat if Logitech would licence SlimProto to other hardware vendors... or even better, if someone were to write an "adapter" (and I use that term very loosely) that would allow other hardware to "emulate" a SlimProto-device.

Just a pipedream.

It's just that I don't see any post-Touch hardware arriving any time soon and I NEED all of the SBS "bells & whistles".

I'm not unhappy with the Touch (far from it - and iPeng on my new iPad is fantastic) but I like to have a future path - or future options - and I'm not sure what that is for the sudio playback hardware.

There are lots of new devices from other manufacturers (e.g. MF Clic, Linn DS) that I'd love to just "plug in" to my existing SB setup.

sebp
2011-08-26, 09:09
There are lots of new devices from other manufacturers (e.g. MF Clic, Linn DS) that I'd love to just "plug in" to my existing SB setup.
Someone at Linn had developped a plugin bridging the DS with SqueezeCenter, IIRC.

Meridion
2011-08-27, 02:53
There are lots of new devices from other manufacturers (e.g. MF Clic, Linn DS) that I'd love to just "plug in" to my existing SB setup.

I would love to do that, too!

If I had to switch to DLNA iwould most probably miss Trackstat's rating extensions, dynamic playlists, etc...

JJZolx
2011-08-27, 03:51
It would be neat if Logitech would licence SlimProto to other hardware vendors... or even better, if someone were to write an "adapter" (and I use that term very loosely) that would allow other hardware to "emulate" a SlimProto-device.

Would the protocol require a license?

I've long thought it would be a great opportunity for someone else to make an SBS based player and leverage the work that has gone into Squeezebox Server. Lately (in truth, it's always been true to an extent) SBS has had something of a black eye, so I'm not so sure anyone would really have a desire to do this.

bpa
2011-08-27, 04:13
Roku implemented the slimproto without a license and I think there have been other clients for other hardware such as Chumby and mclient with MediaMVP box.

The problem has been the 3rd party hardware vendor has to play catch up with Logitech as slimproto gets tweaked in different versions. This can take a lot of effort. It may be easier now as there is no fw development for IP3K players.

Mnyb
2011-08-27, 04:49
Roku implemented the slimproto without a license and I think there have been other clients for other hardware such as Chumby and mclient with MediaMVP box.

The problem has been the 3rd party hardware vendor has to play catch up with Logitech as slimproto gets tweaked in different versions. This can take a lot of effort. It may be easier now as there is no fw development for IP3K players.

A confusing issue is to make transcoding work roku "emulated" an SB1 then the server knew which kind of files and streams it could use and trans-coded accordingly .
So anyone doing this have to do something similar, then it is the UI interface stuff...

If the players abilities does not really match any squeezebox then such a vendor has to provide a server patch or similar .

This is why there is standard interfaces such as DNLA but apearently it has limits ?

We can always hope for a more advanced media player/server standard interface in the future ?

toby10
2011-08-27, 04:59
Would Sync even be possible with DLNA hardware? If yes, would it be reliable/accurate?

Mnyb
2011-08-27, 05:01
Would Sync even be possible with DLNA hardware? If yes, would it be reliable/accurate?

I think sync is one thing that differentiates Squeezeboxes and Sonos from the dlna bunch.

bpa
2011-08-27, 05:06
Would Sync even be possible with DLNA hardware? If yes, would it be reliable/accurate?

No.

IIRC UPNP (of which DLNA is a subset) only supports the player to select, setup and start an audio stream. If two players were to be in sync then the two player would have to communicate with each other with a proprietary protocol and arrange sync between themselves - the server is intended to be minimal - it just provides a stream of data.

sebp
2011-08-27, 05:44
No.

IIRC UPNP (of which DLNA is a subset) only supports the player to select, setup and start an audio stream. If two players were to be in sync then the two player would have to communicate with each other with a proprietary protocol and arrange sync between themselves - the server is intended to be minimal - it just provides a stream of data.
Olive, Linn and Naim, to name a few, seem to offer such possibility, though.
But as you say, and AFAIK, this relies on third-party proprietary technology on top of UPnP/DLNA.