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Oscar Marsh
2004-10-01, 13:23
My library uses the iTunes XML library file and I have just loaded up a
very large album which has over 300 tracks (it's not a CD, it's a load
of episodes of a radio show I've collected). When my Slim finally
loaded the list, having blanked out for over 2 minutes, all the tracks
were displayed in the wrong order. There is no pattern to this
ordering.

I don't want to file this as a bug as I don't know if anyone has this
problem too.

Any ideas?

Oscar Marsh
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kdf
2004-10-01, 14:43
Quoting Oscar Marsh <oscarmarsh (AT) fusemail (DOT) com>:

> My library uses the iTunes XML library file and I have just loaded up a
> very large album which has over 300 tracks (it's not a CD, it's a load
> of episodes of a radio show I've collected). When my Slim finally
> loaded the list, having blanked out for over 2 minutes, all the tracks
> were displayed in the wrong order. There is no pattern to this
> ordering.
>
> I don't want to file this as a bug as I don't know if anyone has this
> problem too.
>
> Any ideas?
>
check for genre tagging. there is a known bug regarding this. Genre tends to
override any chosen sorting algorithm.

also, I'm sure several will be tempted to ask, so I might as well get it out of
the way: did you make sure shuffle was set to off when you went to load the
playlist?

-kdf

Oscar Marsh
2004-10-02, 03:40
> check for genre tagging. there is a known bug regarding this. Genre
> tends to
> override any chosen sorting algorithm.

The 2.3 tags don't have genres as I've run them all through iTunes to
remove it. However, these are second-hand MP3s, which probably still
have 1.0 tags with the nasty old badly-formatted data, that someone
else wrote, in them. I stupidly forgot to wipe the tags before
painstakingly fixing each frame in each file. Is it possible that the
genre frame in the ID3v1 tag is taking precedence?

> also, I'm sure several will be tempted to ask, so I might as well get
> it out of
> the way: did you make sure shuffle was set to off when you went to
> load the
> playlist?

heh, it has to be asked, and yes, it was off. :^)

Oscar Marsh
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Oscar Marsh
2004-10-02, 04:14
On 1 Oct 2004, at 10:43 pm, kdf wrote:

> check for genre tagging. there is a known bug regarding this. Genre
> tends to
> override any chosen sorting algorithm.
kdf

I've examined the first few tracks in the Now Playing playlist further,
and it seems to be the artist frame, rather than the preferred track
number frame, or even the genre, that is taking precedence. This is a
"compilation" album, with several iterations of the artist name, eg.:

Track 15's artist frame is: "Clement Freud;Derek Nimmo;Andree
Melly;Charmian Innes". This track queues up at position 5.
Track 10's artist frame is: "Clement Freud;Derek Nimmo;Barbara
Blake;Renee Houston". This track queues up at position 8!

Is it sorting alphabetically by artist? I think it is, and it shouldn't.

Oscar Marsh
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Oscar Marsh
2004-10-02, 18:26
> I've examined the first few tracks in the Now Playing playlist
> further, and it seems to be the artist frame, rather than the
> preferred track number frame, or even the genre, that is taking
> precedence. This is a "compilation" album, with several iterations of
> the artist name

A picture says a thousand words:
http://paintedover.com/uploads/show.php?loc=11&f=20041003itunes.jpg

The Slimserver listing of the album on the left is what I see on my
SLIMP3 and as you can see on the right iTunes is ordering the album by
Artist name. Bingo... it's sorting this compilation exclusively by the
artist, and not the track number frame.

Oscar Marsh
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David Lutz
2004-10-02, 22:11
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Oscar Marsh wrote:
>
> I've examined the first few tracks in the Now Playing playlist further,
> and it seems to be the artist frame, rather than the preferred track
> number frame, or even the genre, that is taking precedence. This is a
> "compilation" album, with several iterations of the artist name, eg.:
>
> Track 15's artist frame is: "Clement Freud;Derek Nimmo;Andree
> Melly;Charmian Innes". This track queues up at position 5.
> Track 10's artist frame is: "Clement Freud;Derek Nimmo;Barbara
> Blake;Renee Houston". This track queues up at position 8!
>
> Is it sorting alphabetically by artist? I think it is, and it shouldn't.
>

I have seen this same behavior with one of my albums, "Will The Circle
Be Unbroken Vol III" by the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. This is album is
a colabration with many artists and the artist tag for each track is
"Nitty Gritty Dirt Band; Other Artist Name". This one albums sorts by
the artist field instead of the track number field like all my other
albums. The genre tag is to "Bluegrass" for all tracks. Where my
story is differs is that I don't use iTunes at all. This is a double
disc set, each disc is recorded as a giant flac file with embedded
cuesheets. And I have a 100% linux system for slimserver, no macs in
the house.

I found it weird but I haven't had time to go debugging the code to
figure out why this one album is funny.

More details available on request.

D.L.

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kdf
2004-10-02, 22:19
slimserver is often a victim of the sort routines that have been hardwired as
they are. genre can override track order because it is a level higher in teh
hash. artist is also a level higher than tracknumber, but lower than genre.
As such, it is probably the same error with differing symptoms.

The way to fix this is the SQL backend which is in active development.
-kdf

Quoting David Lutz <lutzd (AT) pobox (DOT) com>:

> On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Oscar Marsh wrote:
> >
> > I've examined the first few tracks in the Now Playing playlist further,
> > and it seems to be the artist frame, rather than the preferred track
> > number frame, or even the genre, that is taking precedence. This is a
> > "compilation" album, with several iterations of the artist name, eg.:
> >
> > Track 15's artist frame is: "Clement Freud;Derek Nimmo;Andree
> > Melly;Charmian Innes". This track queues up at position 5.
> > Track 10's artist frame is: "Clement Freud;Derek Nimmo;Barbara
> > Blake;Renee Houston". This track queues up at position 8!
> >
> > Is it sorting alphabetically by artist? I think it is, and it shouldn't.
> >
>
> I have seen this same behavior with one of my albums, "Will The Circle
> Be Unbroken Vol III" by the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. This is album is
> a colabration with many artists and the artist tag for each track is
> "Nitty Gritty Dirt Band; Other Artist Name". This one albums sorts by
> the artist field instead of the track number field like all my other
> albums. The genre tag is to "Bluegrass" for all tracks. Where my
> story is differs is that I don't use iTunes at all. This is a double
> disc set, each disc is recorded as a giant flac file with embedded
> cuesheets. And I have a 100% linux system for slimserver, no macs in
> the house.
>
> I found it weird but I haven't had time to go debugging the code to
> figure out why this one album is funny.
>
> More details available on request.
>
> D.L.
>
> --
> < David Lutz -*- lutzd (AT) pobox (DOT) com -*- AC7NM -*- http://www.dlutz.net/ >
>

dean
2004-10-03, 11:32
David,

What are you doing when you see this sort issue? Are you browsing the
web or the player? How did you navigate to get there?

-dean

On Oct 2, 2004, at 10:11 PM, David Lutz wrote:
> I have seen this same behavior with one of my albums, "Will The Circle
> Be Unbroken Vol III" by the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. This is album is
> a colabration with many artists and the artist tag for each track is
> "Nitty Gritty Dirt Band; Other Artist Name". This one albums sorts by
> the artist field instead of the track number field like all my other
> albums. The genre tag is to "Bluegrass" for all tracks. Where my
> story is differs is that I don't use iTunes at all. This is a double
> disc set, each disc is recorded as a giant flac file with embedded
> cuesheets. And I have a 100% linux system for slimserver, no macs in
> the house.
>
> I found it weird but I haven't had time to go debugging the code to
> figure out why this one album is funny.
>
> More details available on request.
>
> D.L.
>
> --
> < David Lutz -*- lutzd (AT) pobox (DOT) com -*- AC7NM -*- http://www.dlutz.net/ >
>

David Lutz
2004-10-03, 18:13
I see this when I navigate by browse albums both via the web and the
player. At first I thought this was an artifact of the fact that this
is a two disc album recorded as two giant flac files with embedded
cuesheets. Since I know that this isn't 100% supported I wasn't too
concerned, but I did want to pipe up and say something when somebody
else noticed the same sympton in a different situation.

D.L.

On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 11:32:20AM -0700, dean blackketter wrote:
> David,
>
> What are you doing when you see this sort issue? Are you browsing the
> web or the player? How did you navigate to get there?
>
> -dean
>
> On Oct 2, 2004, at 10:11 PM, David Lutz wrote:
> >I have seen this same behavior with one of my albums, "Will The Circle
> >Be Unbroken Vol III" by the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. This is album is
> >a colabration with many artists and the artist tag for each track is
> >"Nitty Gritty Dirt Band; Other Artist Name". This one albums sorts by
> >the artist field instead of the track number field like all my other
> >albums. The genre tag is to "Bluegrass" for all tracks. Where my
> >story is differs is that I don't use iTunes at all. This is a double
> >disc set, each disc is recorded as a giant flac file with embedded
> >cuesheets. And I have a 100% linux system for slimserver, no macs in
> >the house.
> >
> >I found it weird but I haven't had time to go debugging the code to
> >figure out why this one album is funny.
> >
> >More details available on request.
> >

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