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Cipro
2011-08-06, 18:23
Guys,

This is NOT a i told you so post. I have spent 3/4 years what ever its been with 6 Launch versions Duets + controller.

Its been a rough ride, I have fought it at ever turn...my wife has fought me at ever turn...

Worked one day...dropouts the next...reboots the next...firmware updates the next...cant find Library the next...

God knows I have tried to make you work...


........

Today I went to BestBuy...bought 5 Zoneplayer 90's and 2 bridges...

45 min later...everthing works...better than ever...Ipad controls with spotify..

I picked the wrong horse...im mad and sad...and frustrated..

I picked Betamax..VHS won...

I know this will never been super main stream..but my god this Sonos system is idiot proof..

GL all...

GeeJay
2011-08-06, 20:15
The reason Betamax died was it did nothing better than VHS, and had several disadvantages. Sonos may very well have the advantage in certain respects, but the fact is there are differences between the products that can allow both to survive. The last time I checked, Sonos was missing some capabilities that I consider critical to my listening experience. Fortunately, unlike Beta vs VHS, the media is independent from the player, so there doesn't have to be one clear winner.

erland
2011-08-06, 21:45
The last time I checked, Sonos was missing some capabilities that I consider critical to my listening experience.

Could you give some examples ?

I'm just asking because I'm seriously interested to hear why people select Squeezebox over Sonos, if you compare their specifications they are fairly similar and everyone more or less knows that Sonos just works while it usually takes a bit of time until you have configured the Squeezebox system to behave this way.

The Squeezebox is rumored on these forum to have higher audio quality but no one seems to have compared them in a blind test, which is the only way to know for sure. My local HiFi reseller strongly recommended Sonos for its higher audio quality but I personally don't trust them because they probably have a higher margin on Sonos so that's why they want to sell them instead of Squeezebox Touch.

I tried to do a comparison myself based on the specifications a few days back in this post:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=646795#post646795
(But I have no real world experience of Sonos, so I'm not sure if I'm correct)

GeeJay
2011-08-06, 22:38
Last I checked, the system didn't support ratings in the same way your plugins allow for Squeezebox. I use random playlists that allow for higher rated tracks to play more frequently. Some of these dynamic playlists can get pretty narrow in focus: Christmas, the British Invasion years (1963-1970), Early Rock & Roll (1954-1962). Sonos may very well offer all that now, but it didn't when I was shopping for a system.

erland
2011-08-07, 00:56
Last I checked, the system didn't support ratings in the same way your plugins allow for Squeezebox. I use random playlists that allow for higher rated tracks to play more frequently. Some of these dynamic playlists can get pretty narrow in focus: Christmas, the British Invasion years (1963-1970), Early Rock & Roll (1954-1962). Sonos may very well offer all that now, but it didn't when I was shopping for a system.

I think you can do it by integrating with iTunes and use iTunes smart playlists, but Sonos still doesn't support ratings natively as far as I understand:
http://forums.sonos.com/showthread.php?p=135291#post135291

kweller
2011-08-07, 02:15
<snip> I picked the wrong horse...im mad and sad...and frustrated..

I picked Betamax..VHS won...

I've been with this kit since the first Squeezebox and currently have five Squeezebox 3s and a Touch. I came to the same conclusion as you some time ago. I don't install beta versions of Squeezecenter* but I do install released versions just to maintain support. Every time I install one something or other seems to go wrong.

(*I made an exception with 5.6.1 after looking at the posts on here.)

The only thing that has stopped me jumping ship is that wireless in this house, even with repeaters, is horrible. I'm sitting here looking once again at the Squeezebox displaying the track information for the song it just played rather than the one it's currently playing. Moose is displaying the same incorrect information. Reinstalling Squeezebox Server, rescanning, rebooting have made no difference, the display is off in a few hours. I think I'm finally going to give Sonos a try as I'm sick of battling with Squeezebox, I want something that just works.

As I typed this the Squeezebox switched to the correct track, it must know it's time has come and has implemented counter measures! But what is this 'Coming up next' rubbish that always says 'Mariliion' even though it isn't?

Kevin

(This won't mean anything to non-UK residents but I bought Squarial as well!)

DaveWr
2011-08-07, 03:07
The biggest difference is Sonos are committed to their product line, with resources etc. Logitech are not, a few diehard engineers are, but that doesn't provide a secure future direction.

amcluesent
2011-08-07, 04:42
>Could you give some examples ?<

No hi-rez file support in Sonos
65,000 track limit in Sonos
BBC Radio 3 HD streaming in Squeezebox
Balanced output (on the Transporter)
Squeezebox Plug-ins give reasonable support to classical music collections

But, yep, the Duet Receiver was a lemon.

GeeJay
2011-08-07, 06:55
I think you can do it by integrating with iTunes and use iTunes smart playlists, but Sonos still doesn't support ratings natively as far as I understand:
http://forums.sonos.com/showthread.php?p=135291#post135291

It doesn't sound like Sonos has any interest in program changes that allow rating "on the fly". One of the features I really like about TrackStat is the ability to do that, as well as automatically rate previously unrated tracks.

kweller
2011-08-07, 12:53
<snip> I'm sitting here looking once again at the Squeezebox displaying the track information for the song it just played rather than the one it's currently playing. Moose is displaying the same incorrect information. Reinstalling Squeezebox Server, rescanning, rebooting have made no difference, the display is off in a few hours. I think I'm finally going to give Sonos a try as I'm sick of battling with Squeezebox, I want something that just works.

As I typed this the Squeezebox switched to the correct track, it must know it's time has come and has implemented counter measures! But what is this 'Coming up next' rubbish that always says 'Mariliion' even though it isn't?

Displaying the correct track information didn't last long so I reverted to 7.5.3 whereupon the track information was OK again as if by magic. I think I'll stay on this release until there are sufficient coppers in the bank to replace the kit.

Kevin

Goodsounds
2011-08-07, 13:58
For transport of music as with most things, there's no one solution to meet all needs.

My SB assemblage (now consisting of 2 SB3s, a Boom, and a Touch) has been rock-solid and trouble free for years. A friend who lives nearby has never gotten his system stabilized. Another friend had a Sonos system and replaced it out of frustration. Others I know with Sonos systems are satisfied.

Everyone is different, every situation is different. It's not unusual to have to try different approaches until you find what works for you. Good luck.

mrfantasy
2011-08-07, 18:03
I run the nightlies (debian 'unstable' branch) and almost never have problems. I only have one Squeezebox 2 and use SqueezePlay and SqueezePlayer, have about 15,000 FLAC files (and a few dozen MP3s).

xio
2011-08-08, 07:13
Have been around since SLiMP3 days, currently running that, an SBG (don't hear so much about them!), SB2, 2 SB3's, a Boom, 2 radios & a controller. Have always tried to keep things simple, and where possible, wired (have cabled my house). Only ever had 2 problems, one with the SuperDateTime plugin, which is brilliant when it works, but unfortunately seems to need to be updated quite often to keep in step with server releases and changing weather feeds (neither the fault of the developer, but annoying nonetheless), and several issues always related to new releases, which probably add features I'm not going to use anyway. My painful lesson is to not bother updating without a good reason as I get grief from the family when it doesn't 'just work' as they're so used to it. Having been an early adopter and gone down the flac route, am now re-coded to apple lossless & iTunes - I know the quality of iTunes new purchases isn't as good, but the convenience of being able to download music on any machine in the house and have it available to the squeezeboxes in a very short time just works for us. As always, keeping things simple is best.

vrette
2011-08-08, 08:35
The price we pay for all of this wonderful technological innovation is it is complicated, and sometimes doesn't work as it should. Who ever thought 20 years ago that future media players, receivers, or TVs would crash and need to be rebooted/and or reset?

I started with a Slim Devices SB3, but moved on to an Olive 4 due to the WOW factor. After 2+ years I got fed up with Olive's closed system, the software/GUI not working correctly, and the lack of some features on the Olive that we take for granted on the Squeezebox (for example, there is no way to generate any kind of "smart" or "dynamic" playlist with the Olive, and playlist creation is a real PITA). I considered going the UPNP/DLNA route, but I could never get that to work with my current supposedly UPNP/DLNA compatible components to my satisfaction. I also considered Sonos, but after reading some Sonus forums, I realized that the Sonos product wasn't perfect either. I decided to go back to Squeezebox since I was at least familiar with it.

The other thing about Sonos that wouldn't work for me is my wife would not be willing to control streaming radio stations via an iPhone, tablet, etc. She wants conventional physical radio controls on the player, which as far as I can tell, Sonos does not offer.

mlsstl
2011-08-08, 10:32
I took a quick look at the Sonos general discussion forum a few minutes ago. Here are some of the subject lines I saw:

Dropout problems
Upgrade disaster
Playlist troubles
High-pitched squeal
Android app problem
Alarm problem
Grrrrrrr

Sound familiar? And that was just from a surface skim of one forum section out of 12.

The point wasn't to beat-up on Sonus or declare Squeezebox superior. ANY technical product is going to have a certain percentage of their buyers suffer difficulties.

The issues I've had with my Squeezeboxes over the years have been minimal compared to some of the other computer hassles I've faced. Unfortunately, technical problems are just part of the landscape in the world of computers.

That said, I love the way my Touch allows me to access my music collection. You'd have to drag me kicking and screaming back to the world of only having a CD player, turntable or tape deck as a source.

fuzzyT
2011-08-08, 12:25
I've had a lot more success than Cipro with my SB's. I have 2 SB2s, a
Boom and a Radio. I keep them sync'd up most of the time, with the Boom
and Radio playing together most of the day every day. I listen to a mix
of my own library (~100k tracks mixed MP3 and FLAC files) and internet
radio streams. I run my own SS. I have a pretty fast and reliable
internet connection, and use a combination of wired, wi-fi and powerline
connections to the various SB's. I use iPend on my iPhone and iPad. I
don't try to use my Radio as an alarm clock.

And everything is pretty darn reliable.

There have been various sync issues over the years, and the server has
gone through some up and down stages of quality, but in general we use
our SBs an awful lot and they generally just work.

We love our SB system.

I would like to see some updated players (modernized Boom, faster
hardware for Touch and a new SB4) as well as some new features (MOG!!),
and I think I might over the next year. But even if Logitech
disappeared tomorrow, I think I'd get at least a few more years of happy
usage out of my system.

Something better will come along someday, but for now the SBs are still
a very good solution for me.

InTheBath
2011-08-08, 13:40
Thank goodness for a post slightly down on SB that hasn't descended into slanging.
I am playing poker and drinking Talisker, so I apologise now if any of the following is disjointed etc.

I think it is fairly well documented [citation needed] that VHS won when the porn industry started releasing very little on Betamax format. Perhaps a salutory lesson for Logitech - they keep trying to get in bed with Napster and Spotify. They need to be trying to get in bed with Cathy Barry (you can Google her - I went to school with her).

I struggled with a Netgear MP101 and enjoyed the results. I've struggled with my Logitech stuff but again enjoyed the results. I think there's a lot of stuff released now that falls well short of being ready for release. If my Mum bought a washing machine and found that it didn't complete a couple of the cycles occasionally until it had it's firmware updated, she'd be bamboozled. Yet that's exactly what happened when she went into a high street shop and laid down her cash for a new video recorder (she walked out with a PVR). Some people and some products expect plug and play. I doubt there's anything that really realises this dream for music streaming (Philips Streamium looked good to me - whatever happened to them?). I've always plugged in a TV and it's worked, same for a CD player and same for an amp. And I've never bought a cassette deck that, after setting up, I needed to consult the internet to get it working properly (in fact, for most of these products, I never had to look at the instruction manual). At the moment, streaming music through the house demands "know how" and if you can't be bothered then you return your purchase to the store.

Have just read the post that states the Duet was a pup. For me it's the best fit of the SB products. I want a good controller (and the SB Controller always has that quality factor with anybody who picks it up) and the audio nuggets can go off and hide in a corner. My audio equipment is not on a nice rack in full display. It's hidden away from sight to stop my front room looking like a branch of Currys. I have one receiver in the kitchen hidden in the coping of a kitchen cabinet, the receivers are that slender. Lovely. When receivers are cheap on ebay, I'll be bidding on a few.

In summary, the best product doesn't always win the day. And don't always go for your AJ, even when they're suited.

Goodnight from Bath.

Soulkeeper
2011-08-08, 15:11
I'm seriously interested to hear why people select Squeezebox over Sonos

I can remember a small insight in what convinced me:

* I was introduced to the Squeezebox family first (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_effect#Primacy_effect). That has an effect.
* I know networking well enough to want my music system to utilize my existing network instead of competing with it. AFAIU, Sonos uses the 2.4 GHz band. With SB, I can either use Ethernet (I don't even know if Sonos supports wired networking), or my existing 802.11 network which I know how to troubleshoot.
* I learned that SBS was open source (and that the Controller even got a geek port). That was when I made the decision to go for SB.

So I'm not the average user, but then again, who is? (That is a question I should probably ask Steve Jobs instead.)

TiredLegs
2011-08-09, 12:31
I originally chose Squeezebox over Sonos for a few reasons:

- I wanted the ability to run the server software on a Network Attached Storage box and play my music without requiring my computer to be running. At the time, Sonos didn't have that capability, although it does now.

- Sonos did not initially offer players designed to connect to existing stereo systems. They wanted to sell you their amplifiers and speakers instead of leveraging what you already own. (Sonos now offers players designed for connection to external systems, but that wasn't the case early on.)

- I like that Squeezebox software/firmware is open source. If/when the manufacturer stops supporting it, a few knowledgeable programmers could keep it running, at least well enough to maintain existing functionality, when new versions of computer operating systems come out. Good luck keeping Sonos software alive if the company ever goes out of business.

My Squeezebox system has been up and running for years, and I see no reason to change systems now, although if I were starting from scratch today, I might very well choose Sonos.

froth
2011-08-10, 15:39
With the changes at Logitec and some interesting developments I too am questioning my decision to own Squeeze Box technology over Sonos.

First I am a happy user of the technology, have been for a while now. However I have been troubled by wifi network issues recently and while I can manage them if I am around, the wife and children cannot.

My wifi is becoming saturated with many laptops, computers, "i" devices and squeeze boxes. I found that the past few weeks I was having music stop playing intermittantly. I traced it down to the fact that a quest had started using her iphone on my wifi. This was enough to put it over the edge. She left for home and the issues went away. Just yesterday I had the issue occur again. I found one of my children had a friend over and they connected their itouch to the wifi. I had them disable it and the problem went away.

In my case my music is from my library on my squeeze box server so I do not need internet or wifi for it if I had Sonos. I would not run cable drops to solve the problem.

I do not like propritary things like a Sonos mesh network but I think in my case the advantage of it might be better than intermittant issues. Not to say there is no issues on a sonos network, I just think they may be less in regards to the issue I am having.

Even with the issues I will tough it out for a bit as I hate to give up and as well spend more money. Even selling all my squeeze boxes would require me to dig into my pockets for more money to replace eveything I own with Sonos and I would miss my booms.

Mnyb
2011-08-10, 15:48
having 14 neighbouring network i decided to cable as much as possible. sonos mesh would probably not help as it uses the same freq band.

Also one should investigate the limits of ones router, a little known fact repeated on this forum is that some makes models don't conect more than for example 16 devices over wifi, a big household with a lot of devices in a big house may need multiple access pionts, I think some expect to much of thier 50$ router, or worse some frebee thing provided by the isp ( where you are not allow to see or change settings, avoid ).

get.amped
2011-08-10, 16:05
The 65K track limit is the deal breaker for Sonos. I just helped a friend set up his newly acquired SB3 ($136 incl. shipping from e-bay) to replace the $$$ Sonos system for that very reason. It baffles me that the company would have put such an unnecessary limitation on the size of the music library.

reniera
2011-08-10, 19:12
With the changes at Logitec and some interesting developments I too am questioning my decision to own Squeeze Box technology over Sonos.

First I am a happy user of the technology, have been for a while now. However I have been troubled by wifi network issues recently and while I can manage them if I am around, the wife and children cannot.

My wifi is becoming saturated with many laptops, computers, "i" devices and squeeze boxes. I found that the past few weeks I was having music stop playing intermittantly. I traced it down to the fact that a quest had started using her iphone on my wifi. This was enough to put it over the edge. She left for home and the issues went away. Just yesterday I had the issue occur again. I found one of my children had a friend over and they connected their itouch to the wifi. I had them disable it and the problem went away

Cant you create a separate wifi (new acces point, different lan ip subnet, different channel) just for your squeezebox = 100$ ?

aubuti
2011-08-10, 19:46
- Sonos did not initially offer players designed to connect to existing stereo systems. They wanted to sell you their amplifiers and speakers instead of leveraging what you already own. (Sonos now offers players designed for connection to external systems, but that wasn't the case early on.)
+1
That and the Sonos price were the dealbreakers for me when I got my first SB almost 6 years ago. Also, I thought that Sonos's old two-hander remote was a dud, even though many people drooled over it at the time.

Like TiredLegs, I'm happy with my SB system, but if I were starting from scratch today I would give Sonos a closer look, especially because I question Logitech's commitment to the SB line.

Sike
2011-08-11, 09:17
I may have backed the wrong horse too.

I am a network, VOIP and systems engineer working on the field for around 15 years now.

I bought SLIMP3s way back when and used to order them im bulk to save shipping and sell them on to friends (at no extra charge) and have turned in to a bit of a Squeezebox evangelist.

For about a year now I have not had a stable SB environment. Wierd issues have come up (Only playing one track, the sync being terrible or general dropouts)

I also find the concept of Squeezenetwork and changing between the server and SQN strange. I constantly had to explain to people how to swap between the two (Digging down in to the Menus of a SB3...) I also think that the Duet is the worst thing I have ever seen but the Squeezebox Radio is extremly cool!

I bought 3 Sonos S5 and set them up in a snap. Everything has been rock solid for a week! Everybody knows how they work and it just works!

I understand that most threads are about people not getting things to work because their powerline adaptors are not working with thier 30$ routers which are crashing and have no range or whatever, but I live in a semi detached house in a area where most people don't have wireless and use state of the art (so to say) network equipment. I should be excellent at getting these things to work...

Over the last couple of months I have found myself listening to less and less music... Just because I can't face the frustration of the SBs not working...

Never the less I was thinking of getting rid of my SB network and buying a Sonos system. It costs a lot more, but what is the price of having something that works and people enjoy using... I am still on the fence..

Maybe Logitech should stop worrying about people being able to tell each other on Facebook what track they are listening to or getting certain apps to work.... Just make the systems work in sync without dropouts and without missing a beat!

SilverRS8
2011-08-11, 09:55
Looking at the latest release and the quality level Logitech marketing thinks it ok then its just a matter of time seeing the sales figures drop down and the advertisements on e-bay going up. This would be the automatic result of web2.0 (people rating and reviewing everything online).

It amazes me even more that there is still no quick bugfix for the most troubling issues like album art not displaying, scanner hangs. There is a bugfix using the nightlies but no ordinary users is ever able to install that.

I think, what a number of you already conclude, we can say that Logitech has no focus nor quality control for release management.

I also think that the developers deserve all the credit here. It is due to their commitment that the Squeezeboxes are still successful definitely not management.

socistep
2011-08-11, 15:28
Its 3 years since I bought my first SB product which was a Duet, I now have 4 zones - 2 touch's, a Radio and a Boom, the Duet has been mothballed!

I still love the product range and what it gives me, listen to so much more music and also gave me the introduction into getting more HiFi kit that I've always wanted.

I'm also a bit of a geek with slight OCD for which managing the tags on a collection keeps me occupied, I like the technology side and I love music so I've no regrets.

I'm not on the cutting edge of software running 7.5.3 with a vortexbox on a server, it runs very well probably 95% of the time, there are issues now and again - mainly with the baby monitor zapping wireless and outages at spotify end but the pro's FAR outweigh the con's for me.

I did look into Sonos 3 years ago but was put off by 3 main reasons

1) the cost - Although now slightly cheaper with the advent of smartphone controllers
2) Lack of options/customisation - couldn't function without my dynamic playlists from Erland for example
3) Lack of on-player controls/display - I get home, I press a preset button on my Radio and music plays through all of downstairs, no need to get phone out, open app, navigate menu etc. etc., plus the bundled IR remote with the Touch are great!

I don't think its a VHS v Betamax debate, Sonos have a very different product range, some will love it but for a lot of people it isn't the choice for them

bobkoure
2011-08-11, 19:17
This won't mean anything to non-UK residents but I bought Squarial as well!
A square four? Interesting engine. I worked in a Triumph/Vincent shop (also long ago) and encountered a few Arials - even though it was the US, not the UK.
They had a major disadvantage: rear cylinder cooling. Made sense for a sidecar rig where there was ducting. Amazingly smooth. Given vertically split crankcases, transverse fours were pretty much out of the question.

aubuti
2011-08-11, 20:31
I constantly had to explain to people how to swap between the two (Digging down in to the Menus of a SB3...)
Heh, it doesn't really take a systems engineer to know that the switching between mysb and SBS is on the _top_ level menu of an SB3.

kweller
2011-08-11, 23:29
A square four? Interesting engine. I worked in a Triumph/Vincent shop (also long ago) and encountered a few Arials - even though it was the US, not the UK.
They had a major disadvantage: rear cylinder cooling. Made sense for a sidecar rig where there was ducting. Amazingly smooth. Given vertically split crankcases, transverse fours were pretty much out of the question.

Er, no. That would be an Ariel Square Four. Not only would I have been very happy to have had one of those I'm sure I would still have it. This is a squarial - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squarial.

Kevin

kweller
2011-08-11, 23:39
I'm also a bit of a geek with slight OCD for which managing the tags on a collection keeps me occupied,

Me too although I'm not sure about the 'slightly' nor 'keeping me occupied' as once they're done they're done.


I'm not on the cutting edge of software running 7.5.3 with a vortexbox on a server, it runs very well probably 95% of the time, there are issues now and again - mainly with the baby monitor zapping wireless and outages at spotify end but the pro's FAR outweigh the con's for me.

If my experience is anything to go by I would stay there. I'm much happier now as I have a working system once again but it took a while to get there. Installing 7.5.3 on top of 7.6.1 didn't resolve my issues so I uninstalled everything and installed 7.6.1 as a clean install. That sorted out the Classics but the Touch was still displaying the wrong track information. I then uninstalled 7.6.1 and installed 7.5.3 which sorted everything out.

I long ago gave up on wireless SQB connection but I don't think that's the fault of the hardware, wireless is horrible in this house for some reason even with repeaters. Now they are all wired things are much more stable and when it works I love it.

As I think I said earlier I don't install betas but I do install the 'released' versions. It causes issues lots of times even though I clear and rescan, reboot the server and turn round three times while chanting (perhaps it should be four times?) so I'm my own worst enemy really. I think I'm learning that when I have a version that works, and 7.5.3 does, I should stick with it unless there's a compelling reason for me to take the new release.

Kevin

socistep
2011-08-12, 08:05
Me too although I'm not sure about the 'slightly' nor 'keeping me occupied' as once they're done they're done.



If my experience is anything to go by I would stay there. I'm much happier now as I have a working system once again but it took a while to get there. Installing 7.5.3 on top of 7.6.1 didn't resolve my issues so I uninstalled everything and installed 7.6.1 as a clean install. That sorted out the Classics but the Touch was still displaying the wrong track information. I then uninstalled 7.6.1 and installed 7.5.3 which sorted everything out.

I long ago gave up on wireless SQB connection but I don't think that's the fault of the hardware, wireless is horrible in this house for some reason even with repeaters. Now they are all wired things are much more stable and when it works I love it.

As I think I said earlier I don't install betas but I do install the 'released' versions. It causes issues lots of times even though I clear and rescan, reboot the server and turn round three times while chanting (perhaps it should be four times?) so I'm my own worst enemy really. I think I'm learning that when I have a version that works, and 7.5.3 does, I should stick with it unless there's a compelling reason for me to take the new release.

Kevin

re: tagging - I've got quite a bit to go to get it how I want it, however I prioritised concentrating on top rated tracks and making sure the genre/years are correct. I ripped my library with a vortexbox and although it was very quick there was quite a bit of tag work to do.

Agree Re: versions, I was probably more like you last year but my son was born in Jan so spending ages on SB system is well down the priority list, its stable for me* so have left it on a few versions behind, I rate songs and do tagging but mainly I concentrate on listening to the music :-)

* stable apart from the baby monitor which can zap the wireless when a decent distance from the router, SB doesn't do too bad but causes rebuffering - laptop and smartphone seem to struggle more

bobkoure
2011-08-12, 15:17
Er, no. That would be an Ariel Square Four.
Which, in the states, at least, was dubbed a 'Squariel'.
Looking at wikipedia, I don't see that nickname for the Square Four (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Square_Four) so I guess it was a regionalism (New England, FWIW).
Ah well...

autopilot
2011-08-19, 00:15
Could you give some examples ?

I'm just asking because I'm seriously interested to hear why people select Squeezebox over Sonos, if you compare their specifications they are fairly similar and everyone more or less knows that Sonos just works while it usually takes a bit of time until you have configured the Squeezebox system to behave this way.

The Squeezebox is rumored on these forum to have higher audio quality but no one seems to have compared them in a blind test, which is the only way to know for sure. My local HiFi reseller strongly recommended Sonos for its higher audio quality but I personally don't trust them because they probably have a higher margin on Sonos so that's why they want to sell them instead of Squeezebox Touch.

I tried to do a comparison myself based on the specifications a few days back in this post:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=646795#post646795
(But I have no real world experience of Sonos, so I'm not sure if I'm correct)

For me...
1. Cost.
2. A portable battery powered option for the garden etc.
3. The third party BBC iplayer plugin
4. Having a screen on the players.
5. Being able to use an IR remote as well (made posible by point 3).

socistep
2011-08-19, 01:39
For me...
1. Cost.
2. A portable battery powered option for the garden etc.
3. The third party BBC iplayer plugin
4. Having a screen on the players.
5. Being able to use an IR remote as well (made posible by point 3).

4. & 5. for me are very important and often get overlooked, I don't want to faff around with my smartphone all the time to control the music - the touch IR remote is excellent.

swayzak
2011-08-19, 05:24
But, yep, the Duet Receiver was a lemon.

?

How so ?

The Duet has been a fantastic investment for me.

Horses for courses I guess <shrug>

wonder boy
2011-08-19, 14:02
My 2 penneth...

Been a SB fan for 3+ years. I can't recall what lead me to SB or indeed why I wanted to listen to streamed music. I remember, I think seeing the Roku soundbridge and thinking it would be cool but on further research serendipity brought me to the SB system.

I have SB3, two booms and a radio. All players connected by wifi and all on the same floor (bungalow). Use FLAC on a dedicated atom powered pc running XP pro and my system is rock solid, no drop outs or rebuffering for years now.

I install updates to SBS when suggested and it just works, sync on the booms and the SB3 and the whole place just rocks (much to the annoyance of my Mrs)

I don't run any plugins other than lazy search.

Have I been lucky, maybe, I have tinkered in the past but nothing major. SB has totally changed how I listen to music and coupled with the excellent iPeng is for me an excellent lifestyle enhancement.