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pippin
2011-07-11, 18:29
iPeng for iPhone 1.3.4 and iPeng for iPad 1.1.4 (already available in the App Store) bring some new feature Coolio has been demanding for a long time now: getting social about your music.

Be Social About Your Music

Now what is this about? Oh yes, they needed to add “Twitter” and “Facebook” to the App description – yawn. Is that it? No, it isn’t.

It’s about sharing what you listen to with your friends and – just as important – discovering what they listen to! And, most importantly, to be able to do that not only on your computer or the iPhone itself but also through your Squeezebox and your HiFi equipment.

And if you don’t use any Social Networks, you can just as well use E-Mail and get the same thing.

Here’s what it really is:

1. Share What You Listen To…

iPeng now has a new Context Menu item for the current track and the tracks in the current playlist. It allows you to tell others what you listen to via E-Mail or Twitter or Facebook. By default it will send the title, artist and album (you can of course edit that) and – most importantly – whenever a link is available that can be played (as is the case for services like Spotify, Rhapsody, YouTube or radio stations) that link will be sent, too. So your friends don’t just know, what you are listening to, they can just click the link and listen to it, too.

I don’t know about you, but for Coolio, his friends are an important source to learn about new music so this is really cool.

Which brings us to part

2. … and listen to what others share

Of course you not only want to tell others what you listen to, you also want to learn about their music. Ever got frustrated that you could also play these links they post on a computer or a phone but not on serious audio equipment? No longer. With iPeng you can now play this directly on your Squeezebox. This currently works for streams and single tracks from Internet Radio stations, Last.fm, Napster (you can send links for iPeng only, but playing Napster links should work), Pandora, Rhapsody, Slacker, Spotify, WiMP, YouTube (Squeezebox Server with YouTube plugin required).

Some new Apps

E-Mail sharing will work immediately but you can also use Twitter or Facebook. To do that, iPeng adds a new category to the App Gallery menu: iPeng Apps. Here you can enable iPeng’s own Facebook and Twitter features that allow you to tweet and post as well as read timelines and walls.

Now wait, didn’t the Squeezebox (and iPeng) already have a Facebook App? Yes, but it’s not as useful as iPeng’s. iPeng will replace it with it’s own, because iPeng’s simply is more versatile in this context.

Actually, it’s not even any special App or functionality, it’s just Facebook as you know it on your iPhone or iPad but with the added extra feature that iPeng will recognize playable links and not just follow them but offer you to play them on your Squeezebox. And if a link goes to a web site first which then contains the music link, just follow it, browse the web site and when you encounter the music link, you can play it as well.

Twitter has it’s own Timeline in iPeng but apart from that, it works just the same.

So Coolio now wishes you a good time sharing music with your friends.

What else?

Ok, it’s been a while since the last update, so there are also some other new features to be had:

* Browse Wikipedia for information about what you are listening to, by artist, album or title. And if you encounter playable music, you can just send it to your Squeezebox again.
* iPeng now shows an AirPlay control for the iPeng Player if there is an AirPlay device on the network, so you don’t have to use the task bar four audio routing.
* There is a new behavior for the PlayNext feature. Whenever you select PlayNext and your player is currently off or paused, iPeng will start playback with that song you add to the playlist so it’s a way to have a Play command that does not delete your current playlist.
* Plus a lot of other detailed improvements and behind the scenes improvements like support for Squeezebox Server 7.6.

Have fun with iPeng and get social!

See also: http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2011/07/12/penguins-are-social-animals/

danull
2011-07-11, 20:59
Somebody is bound to ask so might as well be me... Any plans to bring this to Google+ ?

)p(
2011-07-12, 00:26
I had my iPad set to Dutch. When looking up artist info on Wikipedia it used the Dutch version and not the English one. So it won't find most. Setting the iPad to English made it using the English one. Maybe you can make an option to select the database to use independent of the language the iPad is set to.

What a great update! Is it now also possible to play spotify links on websites through ipeng?

pippin
2011-07-12, 00:59
Somebody is bound to ask so might as well be me... Any plans to bring this to Google+ ?

Well, certainly. The update was already waiting at Apple's when Google+ came around so no chance to look into it for this but it's certainly a logical step.
I'll have to see whether there is already any API information for Google+. as long as there's some mobile web page and some way to register a client it should be fairly easy because all of this also works with web sites so there would not be too much to develop specifically for Google+.

pippin
2011-07-12, 01:05
I had my iPad set to Dutch. When looking up artist info on Wikipedia it used the Dutch version and not the English one. So it won't find most. Setting the iPad to English made it using the English one. Maybe you can make an option to select the database to use independent of the language the iPad is set to.

What a great update! Is it now also possible to play spotify links on websites through ipeng?

Hm, that's a candidate for configuration hell....
The problem is that in some languages (German, French, Italian), I'd definitely not want to send people off to an English site by default so I decided to use the device's language setting to identify the Wikipedia site.

Could you add a ticket for that configuration setting? I didn't consider it, yet because it's probably more work than the whole Wikipedia feature but I see the point about smaller libraries.

I imagine all the people who want to select their main language manually will also show up again and the problem is that THIS is much, much more work...

)p(
2011-07-12, 01:23
Hm, that's a candidate for configuration hell....


Oh dont worry for me I have my ipad set to english most of the time.

I noticed that ipeng will only play spotify track links from the embedded wikipedia browser. It does not open album, playlist and artist links. This is also true when I save them to favorites and then share them through email and click on the ipeng link.

works: ipeng://http://open.spotify.com/track/0CuLJepOW0kzYtYekz6MIu
does not work: ipeng://http://open.spotify.com/album/7pTARJYCVO49nFXB1Mo5re

pippin
2011-07-12, 02:16
I think I'll just do an "use English Wiki" option which is probably what 99% of the people would be looking for in a configuration option.

On the Spotify albums: yes, I plan to add that but it essentially means I have to re-implement the whole Spotify client because the Squeezeboxes' can't play albums.
Even worse for Napster. I also have some plans for sharing your own library (Ping or Amazon).

)p(
2011-07-12, 02:55
I think I'll just do an "use English Wiki" option which is probably what 99% of the people would be looking for in a configuration option.

On the Spotify albums: yes, I plan to add that but it essentially means I have to re-implement the whole Spotify client because the Squeezeboxes' can't play albums.
Even worse for Napster. I also have some plans for sharing your own library (Ping or Amazon).

I think that is a good compromise for most users for the wiki.

Maybe take a look at triodes spotify plugin does it. It lets you paste track, playlist, album and artist url's into ipeng.

Scidd0w
2011-07-12, 03:34
thnx bigtime pippin!

stevied123
2011-07-12, 03:49
Some interesting, and excellent features. Many thanks!

Just one thing though, I can't figure out how to browse Wikipedia with the new update. I'm probably doing something stupid, or missing the obvious, but could someone run through how I do this?

)p(
2011-07-12, 04:37
Some interesting, and excellent features. Many thanks!

Just one thing though, I can't figure out how to browse Wikipedia with the new update. I'm probably doing something stupid, or missing the obvious, but could someone run through how I do this?

Touch and hold the album art thumbnail in the left under corner of ipeng for iPad. It's the first entry from the popup context menu.

stevied123
2011-07-12, 05:17
Thank you! :)

Jeff Flowerday
2011-07-12, 06:04
Can you let us modify the default message that gets posted to facebook and twitter. I think the following would make more sense.

Artist: blah blah. blah blah from album blah blah


I was just listening to Black Country Communion, so it wanted to post the following to my wall:

Black Country Communion. Black Country from Black Country Communion.


Some of my friends might think I'm smoking something with this particular post, especially if they don't know what iPeng is.

:)

youngml2009
2011-07-12, 07:44
* iPeng now shows an AirPlay control for the iPeng Player if there is an AirPlay device on the network, so you donít have to use the task bar four audio routing.



This is a very convenient feature. Thanks for the update!

pippin
2011-07-12, 07:53
I think that is a good compromise for most users for the wiki.

Maybe take a look at triodes spotify plugin does it. It lets you paste track, playlist, album and artist url's into ipeng.

Does it? In that case it should work to play an album because iPeng will just pass that URL on.

pippin
2011-07-12, 07:56
Can you let us modify the default message that gets posted to facebook and twitter. I think the following would make more sense.

Artist: blah blah. blah blah from album blah blah


I was just listening to Black Country Communion, so it wanted to post the following to my wall:

Black Country Communion. Black Country from Black Country Communion.


Some of my friends might think I'm smoking something with this particular post, especially if they don't know what iPeng is.

:)

There are a lot of different varieties of default messages depending on where the music comes from, it's a bit difficult.
But you can always modify the message before actually sending it. The Twitter version even knows how many characters the shortened URL costs so you can fill your 140 characters

erland
2011-07-12, 09:16
On the Spotify albums: yes, I plan to add that but it essentially means I have to re-implement the whole Spotify client because the Squeezeboxes' can't play albums.
Even worse for Napster. I also have some plans for sharing your own library (Ping or Amazon).

Just to better understand this, to make it work with MySB I guess you would have to implement it in iPeng, but if we would be satisfied if it worked with SBS it would be enough if there was a plugin on the server that could interpret spotify:album:xxx and spotify:artist:xxx, is that right ?

pippin
2011-07-12, 10:05
Just to better understand this, to make it work with MySB I guess you would have to implement it in iPeng, but if we would be satisfied if it worked with SBS it would be enough if there was a plugin on the server that could interpret spotify:album:xxx and spotify:artist:xxx, is that right ?

Yes. If you've got a link that is one of


spotify:<track|album|playlist|whatever>:<item_id>
spotify://<track|album|playlist|whatever>:<item_id>

It will be passed on to SBS/MySB but SBS/MySB currently only understand "track" as a command.
If you've got


http://open.spotify.com/<track|album|playlist|whatever>/<item_id>

it gets passed to SBS/MySB as


spotify:<track|album|playlist|whatever>:<item_id>


I plan (and started to implement it) to parse playlists/albums myself and send all the content to SBS/MySB but that's not ready yet and I didn't want it to hold up the release.

Same for Napster, WiMP and Rhapsody although iPeng will probably not be able to create Napster links that will work outside iPeng because Napster doesn't have a published and globally consistent API for anymore.

epoch1970
2011-07-12, 11:29
I see you've repaired the "switch player" feature, thanks a lot.

I don't use twitter and I'm not too happy with the state of FB (I think you've done fine, though), I guess I'll see how all this fares under Google+.
EDIT: share by mail is useful, too.

Isn't possible to post a full album, rather than a single song ?

)p(
2011-07-12, 14:18
Does it? In that case it should work to play an album because iPeng will just pass that URL on.

It does only work when you paste the url in the spotify uri field in triode's plugin. From your links only the track version works.

pippin
2011-07-12, 14:48
I see you've repaired the "switch player" feature, thanks a lot.

I don't use twitter and I'm not too happy with the state of FB (I think you've done fine, though), I guess I'll see how all this fares under Google+.
EDIT: share by mail is useful, too.

Isn't possible to post a full album, rather than a single song ?

SBS simply doesn't give you any usable link for an album, it only references tracks, everything else is internal ids only.
I've got some ideas but they need work.

pippin
2011-07-12, 14:48
It does only work when you paste the url in the spotify uri field in triode's plugin. From your links only the track version works.

Ok, sounds like I need to talk to Triode again.

)p(
2011-07-12, 14:59
Ok, sounds like I need to talk to Triode again.

I think the plugin cant handle those urls correctly when they are passed to it directly. When I use the link for an album from an email. It does show the artwork. But it looks like it thinks that the album is just one track because there is only one item in the playlist. So if you are forwarding the correct url I think Triode will have to adjust the code to handle them like he does when you paste them directly into the plugin.

norderney
2011-07-12, 15:02
In order to use Facebook with iPeng do I need to configure anything?

If I press the current playing track it displays a menu with Share This. If I select Share This it just says Share This... And nothing else?

In App Gallery under Social Network, if I select Facebook it says Facebook is already installed.

Triode
2011-07-12, 15:08
I think the plugin cant handle those urls correctly when they are passed to it directly. When I use the link for an album from an email. It does show the artwork. But it looks like it thinks that the album is just one track because there is only one item in the playlist. So if you are forwarding the correct url I think Triode will have to adjust the code to handle them like he does when you paste them directly into the plugin.

Yes the spotifyd plugin will need updating to play album uris. I am wary of exploding artist Uris into all tracks though as there could be a lot - what would you want it to do, play the top x tracks, what size would x be?

pippin
2011-07-12, 15:09
You need to enable it in the App Gallery under "iPeng Apps"

stevied123
2011-07-12, 15:16
Many thanks for the features in this new update, very useful (imo).

One minor problem with the Wikipedia look-up though, if the search 'string' contains an ampersand ('&'), it cannot read it, or past it. For example, I searched the song 'For Me & My Gal', and only got results for 'For Me'.

And additionally, I have a reqest for an added feature on the Wikipedia subject if at all possible. Would it be possible for available searches for 'Composer' or other additional fields?

pippin
2011-07-12, 15:20
Oops (&). Thanks. Will need to encode the query.

On the Composer: I plan to make this more flexible but starting with just the composer might indeed be a good idea.
Could you file tickets for these? Sorry, can't post link right now.

norderney
2011-07-12, 15:35
You need to enable it in the App Gallery under "iPeng Apps"

Thanks for your speedy reply.

I've done this and I'm logged onto Facebook. But how do I share music?

Is it done by selecting Share This on the context menu? I have done this several times while music is playing and I have various tracks selected in my playlist. When I select Share This nothing happens. It just brings up an empty box with Share This at the top.

bluegaspode
2011-07-12, 15:42
posting to facebook doesn't work well in portrait ...

pippin
2011-07-12, 15:42
Umm... It doesn't even bring up "share by mail"? Then it's nothing to do with the service... Actually it's really strange. What are you listening to?
Sounds like the title information parsing returns something illegal or so. It should at least allow you to share Title, Artist and Album via Mail, if Twitter or Facebook is enabled also through these.

pippin
2011-07-12, 15:48
posting to facebook doesn't work well in portrait ...

Why not? Can you send me a screen shot?
Sometimes the Facebook web dialog gets scrabbled if it doesn't like the meta information for the link or can't find any (as for napster links), no idea why that is, it's facebook's code...

bluegaspode
2011-07-12, 15:51
Why not? Can you send me a screen shot?

sorry - i meant landscape.
it switches to portrait while posting.

pippin
2011-07-12, 15:51
posting to facebook doesn't work well in portrait ...

Argh. Did you mean to say "landscape", not "portrait"?

norderney
2011-07-12, 15:53
Umm... It doesn't even bring up "share by mail"? Then it's nothing to do with the service... Actually it's really strange. What are you listening to?
Sounds like the title information parsing returns something illegal or so. It should at least allow you to share Title, Artist and Album via Mail, if Twitter or Facebook is enabled also through these.

I'm listening to various Jazz tracks from albums I have ripped onto you HDD in FLAC, so basically I am just playing back normal FLAC music files.
When I select Share This it brings up a rectangular box with the track name at the top and then Share This below it, and that is all that's displayed.

Nothing appears to being posted to Facebook, although have set up Facebook in App Gallery and I can access my FB wall, photos etc via iPeng app.

Seems to make NO difference if I am in landscape or portrait mode.

pippin
2011-07-12, 15:53
sorry - i meant landscape.
it switches to portrait while posting.

Ah. I see. Looks like I have to dig deeper into facebook's code (I did already change stuff for the pending iPhone release)...

pippin
2011-07-12, 15:54
I'm listening to various Jazz tracks from albums I have ripped onto you HDD in FLAC, so basically I am just playing back normal FLAC music files.
When I select Share This it brings up a rectangular box with the track name at the top and then Share This below it, and that is all that's displayed.

Nothing appears to being posted to Facebook, although have set up Facebook in App Gallery and I can access my FB wall, photos etc via iPeng app.

Yes, that box is an empty menu.
Could you send me one of the files (a short one, please) that causes trouble?
Any ampersands in there, too? Wait, they should not mean any issue here...

norderney
2011-07-12, 16:20
Yes, that box is an empty menu.
Could you send me one of the files (a short one, please) that causes trouble?
Any ampersands in there, too? Wait, they should not mean any issue here...

How is the best way to send one of my files to you? By e-mail? I don't seem to be able to add an attachment to a Private Message within the SB Forum.

pippin
2011-07-12, 16:25
E-mail. Coolio att penguinlovesmusic dott com

)p(
2011-07-12, 23:20
Yes the spotifyd plugin will need updating to play album uris. I am wary of exploding artist Uris into all tracks though as there could be a lot - what would you want it to do, play the top x tracks, what size would x be?

Cant you just handle it the way you handle them when pasted into the spotify uri field. Ie with an artist uri you now show the artist browse page. That works perfect. You can then choose what you want to do for that artist.

pippin
2011-07-12, 23:40
No, the Spotify URL entry field is a menu created by the plugin that has some Logic behind it. In this case I'd need a way to tell the plugin to play an album or I need to retrieve the album content. If the plugin can't do it I'll eventually do it anyway :)

Hofstede
2011-07-13, 00:37
Am I the only one who doesn't see any use for all that Facebook and Twitter functionality?
I bought the program as a remote control for the Squeezeboxes I own. All these extra functions only make the program more complicated and more difficult to use.
It would be nice to have a system setting to hide all those "social" functions.

erland
2011-07-13, 00:45
No, the Spotify URL entry field is a menu created by the plugin that has some Logic behind it. In this case I'd need a way to tell the plugin to play an album or I need to retrieve the album content. If the plugin can't do it I'll eventually do it anyway :)

I suspect Logitech has other priorities at the moment, so if you like something that works with MySB it's probably going to have to be built into iPeng. Another advantage of having it in iPeng would be that you could theoretically display the album and artist name before the user has hit play and not just show a spotify url.

Which solution would you prefer ? a third party plugin in SBS or built into iPeng ?

Are there similar problems with other services so you need to build something into iPeng anyway to make it work similar for all services ? Or is this limitation specific to Spotify ?

erland
2011-07-13, 00:57
iPeng now has a new Context Menu item for the current track and the tracks in the current playlist.

Is there a reason you don't offer the "Share this..." item in context menus for tracks in the browse menus ?

kidstypike
2011-07-13, 01:10
am i the only one who doesn't see any use for all that facebook and twitter functionality?
I bought the program as a remote control for the squeezeboxes i own. All these extra functions only make the program more complicated and more difficult to use.
It would be nice to have a system setting to hide all those "social" functions.

+1

erland
2011-07-13, 01:24
Am I the only one who doesn't see any use for all that Facebook and Twitter functionality?
I bought the program as a remote control for the Squeezeboxes I own. All these extra functions only make the program more complicated and more difficult to use.

I tend to agree regarding Facebook and Twitter, I'm not sure I'm going to use those much. But I do think this is just the tip if the ice berg, the social thing is really interesting and we are just starting to see the first development in this direction. Logitech did some initial integration with Facebook but as usual they stopped after the initial release when they had enough to put justify a Facebook logo on the box. In my mind they were really just looking for the logo for the marketing and not for the social experience.

How do you get tips of new music ?

For me, I usually find new music when I'm not sitting beside my Squeezebox, and it would be great to have some improved way to:
- Remember recommendations of new music I got while sitting beside a computer somewhere else than at home
- Remember recommendations of new music I got when not sitting beside a computer
- Be able to get recommendations of new music from other people (not necessarily real world friends) with similar taste
- Easily be able to play all the above recommendations on my Squeezebox when I get home

So I do think we need to start thinking about how to take this to the next step. As an example, think about the "Music" section of this forum, wouldn't it be great if you could easily play all the recommendations posted there on your Squeezebox ?



It would be nice to have a system setting to hide all those "social" functions.

Isn't it only a "Share this..." link in the context menu of a track, doesn't feel like this makes it a lot more complex to use but maybe I'm missing something ?

Hofstede
2011-07-13, 01:45
Personally I removed all things Facebook / Twitter from my Squeezebox system long ago. I just don't like things I am not using at all cluttering up my system.
If I want to use Facebook or Twitter there are a lot of options that work better than the Squeezebox eco-system. Now iPeng "forces" this functionality back into my music system.

Guess for me it means I will use SqueezePad more often than iPeng. I hope Bluegaspode will not get the idea he needs to integrate this functionality in his program too....

erland
2011-07-13, 01:59
By default it will send the title, artist and album (you can of course edit that) and Ė most importantly Ė whenever a link is available that can be played (as is the case for services like Spotify, Rhapsody, YouTube or radio stations) that link will be sent, too. So your friends donít just know, what you are listening to, they can just click the link and listen to it, too.

Do you know if Rhapsody has some common identity with Spotify ?
I know Spotify has some kind of support for musicbrainz id do you know if this or something similar also is supported by Rhapsody ?

The reason is that since I have Spotify but not Rhapsody, it would be great to be able to immediately play a Rhapsody recommendation in Spotify.

Also, when I post a text based link to Twitter, like "Some song - Some artist", it would be great to be able to somehow be able to use that text when triggering a search towards Spotify. So if someone has posted a song as text I can easily pick it up in iPeng and search for it in Spotify and start to play it.

And when I share something in my local library to Twitter, it would be great to have a "try to find Spotify link" option which I could select and it would then try to find the corresponding track in Spotify and include that in the Twitter post. This could possibly be used also for the above Spotify vs Rhapsody problem, making it possible to search for the Rhapsody track in Spotify Metadata API and publish both a Spotify and Rhapsody link to Twitter.

Something that might also be of interest is to be able to share albums and not just individual songs.

Finally, it would feel interesting to get some kind of integration to one of these playlist sharing sites. There are a number of them but I'm not sure which is most commonly used as it so far has been too complicated to share playlists and listen to playlists that has been shared through the Squeezebox.

local.bin
2011-07-13, 02:03
+1

+1

bluegaspode
2011-07-13, 02:12
Guess for me it means I will use SqueezePad more often than iPeng. I hope Bluegaspode will not get the idea he needs to integrate this functionality in his program too....

Well - I'm known to not just copy iPeng :)
Though I have to admit that one feature pippin integrated in this version was on my roadmap for v1.9 as well (bit different und much better of course)

I actually neither have a Twitter nor Facebook account (ok - I did create a Facebook test account some time ago to fix a bug in SqueezePad with the handling of the Facebook-App - and I used it just yesterday again to see what pippin is doing ...).

Having said that: regardless what you think about it: having the name 'iPeng' on Facebook and Twitter regularly by those who use it, is a huge marketing gain. It raises awareness to those that don't know it much better than anything else.

So if you don't want to see this in SqueezePad some time in the future think about how to promote your favourite product by other means ;)
Friends, blog posts, posts on other forums, App Store comments, praises to the developer ... be creative!

erland
2011-07-13, 02:13
Personally I removed all things Facebook / Twitter from my Squeezebox system long ago. I just don't like things I am not using at all cluttering up my system.
If I want to use Facebook or Twitter there are a lot of options that work better than the Squeezebox eco-system. Now iPeng "forces" this functionality back into my music system.

Yes but please note that iPeng is doing it for different reasons than Logitech, Logitech did it mainly to just get the logo in the marketing material while iPeng is using it to make it easier for us to recommend music to each other. I can agree that so far it might not seem much different but believe me it will if this progresses as I hope.

I've big problems with Facebook/Twitter functionality creeping into the system for marketing reasons, exactly as you've done I've removed the ones made by Logitech from my system since they don't offer anything music related to me. However, when the focus is on the music it's a lot more interesting.

But I agree that there has to be more to make it really usable, I've barely got any music recommendations through mail, Twitter and Facebook so far, it happens a bit more often through Skype/MSN/ICQ/Google Talk and through the "Music" section of this and other forums, but in most cases it happens when discussing with friends and my main problem is that often I've forgotten the recommendation before I get back home to the Squeezebox. So some kind of functionality to make it easier to remember recommendations would be great.

Something else that really would make the difference to me would be some integration with a playlist sharing service. But besides simple playlist sharing it also needs to have the possibility to browse and search to find what you are interested in.

epoch1970
2011-07-13, 02:19
+1

And that's 3 hits for the +1 button ;)

Actually I am sure I will find the "share by email" feature useful on occasion. I feel the FB option less useful, more involved, and I plan on dropping my little presence on FB down to 0 some time in the future.

So an iPeng preference page like:
Social/on-off
- FB on/off
- email on/off
- Ö
would be just fine imho.

However I do not agree iPeng "forces" you using the stuff even in the current situation.

erland
2011-07-13, 02:20
So if you don't want to see this in SqueezePad some time in the future think about how to promote your favourite product by other means ;)

You know, even my local grocery store have a "Like us on Facebook" sign outside their store (no I'm not kidding). Maybe a "Like SqueezePad on Facebook" would be something to think about ?

pippin
2011-07-13, 06:20
Am I the only one who doesn't see any use for all that Facebook and Twitter functionality?
I bought the program as a remote control for the Squeezeboxes I own. All these extra functions only make the program more complicated and more difficult to use.
It would be nice to have a system setting to hide all those "social" functions.

You don't need to do anything. All but the "Share..." link are disabled by default.


Personally I removed all things Facebook / Twitter from my Squeezebox system long ago. I just don't like things I am not using at all cluttering up my system.
If I want to use Facebook or Twitter there are a lot of options that work better than the Squeezebox eco-system. Now iPeng "forces" this functionality back into my music system.

Guess for me it means I will use SqueezePad more often than iPeng. I hope Bluegaspode will not get the idea he needs to integrate this functionality in his program too....

How does it force you to use it?
Also, this is not about using iPeng as a general facebook or twitter client, there is no sense in that.

But here are two thoughts from my side:

1. Please be honest: if you want just bare-to-the-bones Squeezebox Remote capabilities with no additional bells ans whistles, especially on iPhone, you would not buy iPeng anymore, you would use the free Logitech App. While it can be a nuisance on some Android devices and doesn't make good use of the iPad screen it works fine on an iPhone 4. The fact that the iPad version of this iPeng release came first has nothing to do with iPad/iPhone but only with the fact that after submitting I found a bug that made it crash on pre-3.2 versions of iOS which doesn't affect the iPad.

2. I felt a personal need for this functionality because I found I'm having two music collections again: one consisting of links of stuff friends recommended to me and then the old stuff in my library. I found that the former made a significant portion of my listening and there was _NO WAY_ I could listen to this stuff on my Squeezebox.
This problem had a number of aspects:
* YouTube, SoundCloud and rd.io links didn't work. Fortunately Triode fixed this for YouTube. This aspect maybe made like 50% of the problem.
* But the other 50% of the problem were just as bad: There was absolutely no way to play recommendation links from others on a Squeezebox (with the exception of internal Spotify links which nobody uses). Even if you use Spotify on your SB, if somebody sends you one of these links e.g. Spotify creates (open.spotify.com), you can't play it on a Squeezebox. You can't go and paste it into the Web Interface, it doesn't work. What you have to do is this: you have to play the link on a Computer or phone and find out what it is, then you SEARCH for this again using one of your remotes and then you play it.
I don't know about you, but this dis-qualifies it for me and what this meant is that, like my CD player, my Squeezebox started to be a system for "legacy music". This essentially would mean that sooner or later I would have removed it from my home and replaced it with something that DOES play my new music, too, with other words an iWhatever or AirWhatever thingy.
I wasn't prepared to let that happen without even trying to fight it.

Now, with iPeng, even if you don't use Twitter or Facebook or iPeng's mail links, you can at least copy&paste a link into iPeng's "URL:..." menu item and play it.

So if you don't want to use it, hey, that's absolutely OK.
I fully understand if getting links from others or browsing web sites containing links to learn about new music isn't among the ways how you discover new music or you are happy with your existing music, this probably has no use for you. But please accept that it might do so for others.

I know that the functionality at it's current state is not perfect, there are a lot of things I'd like to add: more flexible browsing, so that you can use e.g. music blogs as well, more flexible sharing to allow for sharing from a browse menu or for Albums/Playlists. Maybe even having a sharing service (not for the music, just for the links) and to include ways to share stuff from your own library (again: I'm not talking about illegal/not illegal music sharing, just making it accessible).
But features like that have to evolve, it's to complex to get it right the first time so I wanted to get it out and collect feedback, it was hard enough to get the stuff behind the scenes going for what is there now.

Hofstede
2011-07-13, 06:37
Pippin,

At the time I bought iPeng the Logitech app was not available yet. And your program beats the functionality of the Logitech app by miles. Don't get me wrong, I really like it.
The term "force" is a bit strong I know but I could not find a better word for it. I just don't like the way every program nowadays links to sites like Facebook and Twitter and I prefer not to use it. I am worried about my privacy.
I understand your reasoning and your need for it.
The only thing I ask for is an easy way to hide all references to Facebook and Twitter functionality. I am a programmer and I know it maybe problematic to do so but asking never hurts anyone.

You can guess what my reaction was when Steve Jobs announced that IOS 5 will have more built in integration with Facebook and Twitter ..... :)

Regards.

pippin
2011-07-13, 06:44
The only thing I ask for is an easy way to hide all references to Facebook and Twitter functionality. I am a programmer and I know it maybe problematic to do so but asking never hurts anyone.

By default, there is only a single place where Facebook and Twitter functionality is mentioned and that is in the App Gallery. And this is a menu you usually don't use at all. It's simply the place where I put the setting you are asking for because it's also where Logitech puts it for their Apps. And it's even "off" by default.


You can guess what my reaction was when Steve Jobs announced that IOS 5 will have more built in integration with Facebook and Twitter ..... :)

Only Twitter. And it makes things like this simply a bit easier.

But don't get it wrong: the big thing about this update, from a technical standpoint is not the Twitter and Facebook clients. That's some standard code for Twitter and an authorization screen and some icons for facebook.

The big thing is being able to play content from a link and to detect links in web sites (and Squeezebox content, with some limitations that lie in their implementation all of this even works with Logitech's facebook "App"), to be able to play these links, and to be able to create links others can play to share stuff with them. Facebook and Twitter (and E-Mail) are just ways to get the communication into iPeng so you don't have to use "cut and paste" for links. Note to self: maybe I should add a "play from clipboard" menu....

Hofstede
2011-07-13, 07:05
I think that is the big difference between us. You want a tool to share music with friends and easily find music on the web, I only want a program to control my music system. I am not interested in what music my friends play. I know they all have a bad taste in music anyway ;)
As long as the remote control part of the program works it is Ok with me.

Scidd0w
2011-07-13, 09:28
I do share music from time to time with my friends. Most of them have good music taste and thats probably why we got friends anyway. ;)
I also had the difficulties from time to time with sharing spotify links etc. I have no facebook or twitter account but I really like these new "sharing" features!

JonWill
2011-07-13, 12:26
I'd love to join this debate, but iPeng 1.3.4 does not appear in my AppStore for upgrade... Has anyone else in the UK had this update? Or am I alone in missing it...

pippin
2011-07-13, 15:28
It wasn't out, yet, only the iPad version was. Some hiccup with old iOS versions and then some misunderstanding about the term "Squeezebox Server 7.6 beta" in the review process.

All resolved now so it should be or become available shortly.

MeSue
2011-07-13, 22:00
Note to self: maybe I should add a "play from clipboard" menu....

Thanks for these features! I have not used them yet, but I know I will. Play from clipboard would be awesome.

JonWill
2011-07-13, 23:14
Ahhh... It's always good to have your sanity confirmed. Even if it is in a limited area...

Scidd0w
2011-07-14, 01:29
Got the iPhone update this morning in the dutch appstore.
Thnx again pippin & Coolio!

MeSue
2011-07-14, 09:24
The big thing is being able to play content from a link and to detect links in web sites...

Okay, this has me stumped... how do we play content from links through iPeng? Where do we go to copy and paste the URLs?

)p(
2011-07-14, 10:24
Okay, this has me stumped... how do we play content from links through iPeng? Where do we go to copy and paste the URLs?

I think currently you can only do this from the embedded wiki browser. From there search for google, click the google.com link and from there you can explore links all over the web ;) If you find a valid link click on it and ipeng will produce a popup that gives you the ability to share, play or save the link to favorites.

MeSue
2011-07-14, 10:30
I think currently you can only do this from the embedded wiki browser. From there search for google, click the google.com link and from there you can explore links all over the web ;) If you find a valid link click on it and ipeng will produce a popup that gives you the ability to share, play or save the link to favorites.

Okay, thanks. Some of the comments in this thread made it sound like there was an URL field I should be able to find somewhere.

pippin
2011-07-14, 10:41
Okay, thanks. Some of the comments in this thread made it sound like there was an URL field I should be able to find somewhere.

There is. It's the one in "Radios". It has all the functionality the link system offers, you can paste a link there.

erland
2011-07-14, 10:43
I think currently you can only do this from the embedded wiki browser. From there search for google, click the google.com link and from there you can explore links all over the web ;) If you find a valid link click on it and ipeng will produce a popup that gives you the ability to share, play or save the link to favorites.

When I tried, I just opened Safari and when I click on a link like this one it will open iPeng and start playing the track (note that it begins with ipeng instead of http):
ipeng://open.spotify.com/track/3NdvjzDM2ZVQDjaGzBtg6C

But if you like it to work with standard http links, I think you need to use the above mentioned approach, at least I haven't found anything better:
http://open.spotify.com/track/3NdvjzDM2ZVQDjaGzBtg6C
(This link will just open the Spotify app on my iPad)

I think it also works to use the "Radios/Tune in URL" menu and enter a url like:
spotify:track:3NdvjzDM2ZVQDjaGzBtg6C

pippin
2011-07-14, 10:46
The open.spotify link will work in Tune In, too, it's not the same "tune in" as in the web interface (anymore).

)p(
2011-07-14, 13:40
There is. It's the one in "Radios". It has all the functionality the link system offers, you can paste a link there.

Ah I did not know that. I am used to paste them into triode's plugin. I really only use spotify links from the web.

MeSue
2011-07-14, 14:48
Pippin, since iPeng seems to have an embedded browser now, why not include an address field so we can browse to wherever we want without leaving iPeng? Wouldn't that then be a way to use playlist sharing sites, etc? (at least in the iPad version.)

pippin
2011-07-14, 15:22
Yea, I plan to do that (could you file a ticket anyway?). It's just UI again which means lots of work and I did not want to delay the release.

erland
2011-07-14, 20:33
Pippin, since iPeng seems to have an embedded browser now, why not include an address field so we can browse to wherever we want without leaving iPeng? Wouldn't that then be a way to use playlist sharing sites, etc? (at least in the iPad version.)

If we get this, it would also be nice to be able to setup favorite sites so you easily can go back to your favorite playlist site later. If that's hard, maybe it would be possible to just make it easy to go to a specific wiki page where we all outside iPeng could add links to our favorite playlist sites to make it easy to reach them from inside iPeng.

)p(
2011-07-14, 22:45
If we get this, it would also be nice to be able to setup favorite sites so you easily can go back to your favorite playlist site later. If that's hard, maybe it would be possible to just make it easy to go to a specific wiki page where we all outside iPeng could add links to our favorite playlist sites to make it easy to reach them from inside iPeng.

Maybe keep the wiki and the general browser separate. Then you could have an icon on the main list for the web browser. You then always have easy and direct access to the embedded browser. In the ipeng settings you can then just have a field to setup a custom url as the homepage.

Flashbee
2011-07-15, 18:33
" iPeng now shows an AirPlay control for the iPeng Player if there is an AirPlay device on the network, so you donít have to use the task bar four audio routing"

I have Apple TV (latest version) which doesn't appear to be showing on ipeng as described in the update. Has anyone else got this to work?

MeSue
2011-07-15, 18:51
Pippin,

I can't get the Share on Facebook option working on my iPod touch. I authorized both Fb and Twitter on my iPad first with iPeng HD, and then I did so on my iPod with iPeng. For Facebook, it just takes me to a message that says iPeng has already been authorized, but then it does not show Facebook as a share option in the menu.

pippin
2011-07-16, 01:44
Pippin,

I can't get the Share on Facebook option working on my iPod touch. I authorized both Fb and Twitter on my iPad first with iPeng HD, and then I did so on my iPod with iPeng. For Facebook, it just takes me to a message that says iPeng has already been authorized, but then it does not show Facebook as a share option in the menu.

Did you press the "Ok" link at the bottom of that message?
You don't happen to have a current beta on that device (I remember they dont work for you anymore?)

What's the state it shows in the App Gallery setting?

I did something wrong which means it still takes you to Safari for the authorization but it should still work...

pippin
2011-07-16, 01:48
" iPeng now shows an AirPlay control for the iPeng Player if there is an AirPlay device on the network, so you don’t have to use the task bar four audio routing"

I have Apple TV (latest version) which doesn't appear to be showing on ipeng as described in the update. Has anyone else got this to work?

I think I need to re-phrase that description.
iPeng does not allow using AirPlay devices as players like a Squeezebox, that would require an AirPlay key which Apple is not giving away.
What this feature does is it adds a control for the AirPlay route to the iPeng Player if you use iPeng's playback. In this case you can use the normal AirPlay from the iThingy to your AirPlay device. This did work before but you had to use the task bar control now there is one in the player control.

albertone74
2011-07-16, 04:05
Hi Pippin,
Thanks for the great update...good job as usual;)
I am running iPeng on all my apple devices and I must admit that iPeng on my iPad is simply amazing!I couldn't live without it anymore ;)
Would you please explain me how to stream youtube songs through iPeng? I have just installed the Youtube plugin on the Squeezebox server.
Cheers

pippin
2011-07-16, 04:11
Well, then there will be a YouTube search option in the Global Search and a browse feature under Radios (SBS < 7.6) or "My Apps" (SBS 7.6).
If you have a specific YouTube link you can paste it either into the plugin or into the "Tune In" URL.
If somebody sends you a link through Facebook or Twitter, it will work if you use iPeng's facebook or Twitter "Apps".

albertone74
2011-07-16, 04:54
Hi Pippin,
thanks gor getting back to me.
I am sure I am doing something wrong as:

1)I can't find the YouTube search option in the Global Search. Where is it?;)
2)How can I paste a YouTube link into the plugin?
3)I pasted a YouTube link into the "Tune In" URL but it didn't work.

I would appreciate your kind help Pippin!

Cheers

albertone74
2011-07-16, 05:01
Hi Pippin,
Thanks a restart did the trick!;)

Cheers

ajkidle
2011-07-16, 06:49
When I share a Rhapsody track on Facebook, shouldn't it also be posting the link to that track? It's not. It's just a plain text post. I'm I misunderstanding how this is supposed to work, or is something not working properly?

MeSue
2011-07-16, 07:06
Did you press the "Ok" link at the bottom of that message?
You don't happen to have a current beta on that device (I remember they dont work for you anymore?)

What's the state it shows in the App Gallery setting?

I did something wrong which means it still takes you to Safari for the authorization but it should still work...

It says Facebook disabled, and I click the authorize button and it shows the message about already authorized, I press okay, and go back to iPeng and it still shows disabled. I can go round and round doing that and it never changes.

It's not a beta, and it authorized fine on my iPad.

pippin
2011-07-16, 08:45
When I share a Rhapsody track on Facebook, shouldn't it also be posting the link to that track? It's not. It's just a plain text post. I'm I misunderstanding how this is supposed to work, or is something not working properly?

I'll have to look that up. Rhapsody obviously did a total overhaul of their API this week (which is why you need the Logitech updates to still use it), maybe the new URLs are not recognized by iPeng anymore

pippin
2011-07-16, 08:47
It says Facebook disabled, and I click the authorize button and it shows the message about already authorized, I press okay, and go back to iPeng and it still shows disabled. I can go round and round doing that and it never changes.

It's not a beta, and it authorized fine on my iPad.

So it went back to iPeng automatically (that's what's needed for the authorization to actually work). Which iOS is this? I need to look into it, but I believe the change I applied here should fix that, too (it will not switch to Safari but present a login popup instead).

MeSue
2011-07-17, 18:02
So it went back to iPeng automatically (that's what's needed for the authorization to actually work). Which iOS is this? I need to look into it, but I believe the change I applied here should fix that, too (it will not switch to Safari but present a login popup instead).

Yes, it went back to iPeng. iOS 4.2.2 (w/ jailbreak).

maggior
2011-07-18, 06:10
I love the Wikipedia integration - it works really well! I use Wikipedia a lot to look up discographies and stuff - now I don't have to go out to te web browser to do it! Nicely done!

jimzak
2011-07-18, 16:02
I have to admit I didn't read this entire thread.

I have the latest version of iPeng for iPad and I can't find any of the new social features and your post and website provide no clues.

I'm sure this stuff is obvious but...please help.

Thanks.

pippin
2011-07-18, 16:11
I have the latest version of iPeng for iPad and I can't find any of the new social features and your post and website provide no clues.


Um..


E-Mail sharing will work immediately but you can also use Twitter or Facebook. To do that, iPeng adds a new category to the App Gallery menu: iPeng Apps. Here you can enable iPengís own Facebook and Twitter features that allow you to tweet and post as well as read timelines and walls.


If you want to use Twitter or Facebook you have to enable it in the "App Gallery" where SBS also puts it (yes, if you still use 7.3 you can't use that).

The "Share" menu and the Wiki menu are in the TrackInfo context menu, that is they show up in context menus for tracks in albums (also of course, for services like Spotify) for the current track (on NowPlaying) and for any other track in the current playlist.

soundcheck
2011-07-19, 02:12
Just a comment from my side.

iPeng is still my reference SB control from a functionality perspective.
I don't think it has to fear any competition in Logitech Land, neither from Squeezepad
nor from Logitech. Those competitors are just copying that IMO
pretty basic control feature set, which is all but a sophistcated media management functionality,
especially if your collection approaches a certain size.

Back to iPeng.

If you'd ask me. I'd say. No I wouldn't need those social media functions.
Probably I'm not in that addressed target group though.
Lot's of programming effort and money goes into those from my perspective rather questionable features.

What I'd like to see:

I hope that we see one day a better consistant (dark) "theme" on the iPeng interface.
I know, that this is ususally said to be a matter of taste. I wouldn't agree at this point. GUI style mix is not considered to be the most successful strategy for applications to make its users feel well.
Yep - there's IMO quite some space for improvement. The mix-up of blue-white & black screen designs and those old style blue framed pop-ups (taken from 1st generation iPeng I guess), i'd consider all but consistant.
I assume you had a chance to look at SqueeezPad, it looks really good and consistant - it just lacks iPeng functionalities. ;) I keep the fingers crossed that you gonna do something about it.

Obviously a lot of time goes into programming of new iPeng features, which do not relate to playback and media-/database management anymore. That I consider a pity.
Bottom line. I don't think those social media things will keep you in the lead. The wikipedia idea is not bad. Still, fighting the Googles/browsers and other spezialized apps etc. IMO won't work
out on the long run. Via a web-browser you get to artist homepages, Amazon reviews and asf. in a very flexible way. I do and will keep doing my research-while-listening with my bowsers.

Idea: I find myself using very often the browser to enter the html-based setup dialog of the SB server.
Would be great if I could do all that from iPeng. That's what I also consider very useful. I could change plugin parameter settings and advanced
settings, asf from inside iPeng. No need to switch apps.

Off-topic wish:
I'd find it nice if the tap2play function of iPeng as it is done on the iPhone would also be made available on the iPad. Tapping the album art from the collection-overview layer to start immediate album playback, should also work on the iPad. It could be introduced as a new-old selectable feature to be activated under settings. (Shouldn't be such a big deal)


Anyhow. Keep up the good work. I recommended your App more than once and keep doing it. ;)

And... ...once in a while you should also have a look at the competition outside Logitech land, such as Sooloos, Linn etc, just to get some further inspiration. ;)



Cheers

pippin
2011-07-19, 05:45
Just a comment from my side.

Thanks :)


If you'd ask me. I'd say. No I wouldn't need those social media functions.
Probably I'm not in that addressed target group though.
Lot's of programming effort and money goes into those from my perspective rather questionable features.

Well, that kind of depends on the user, doesn't it?
I wanted it a lot for the reasons I stated and on facebook I can see that it's indeed being used.


What I'd like to see:

I hope that we see one day a better consistant (dark) "theme" on the iPeng interface.

Consistent with what?
Right now it's consistent with Apple's Apps and Apple's interface guidelines.

Dark background may look cooler but it's really bad for the eyes if you have small print.
That said: it's coming, I have to develop a dark interface now for the upcoming iPeng redesign and will probably make that an option.


I know, that this is ususally said to be a matter of taste. I wouldn't agree at this point. GUI style mix is not considered to be the most successful strategy for applications to make its users feel well.
Yep - there's IMO quite some space for improvement. The mix-up of blue-white & black screen designs and those old style blue framed pop-ups (taken from 1st generation iPeng I guess), i'd consider all but consistant.

With "blue pop-ups" I assume you mean the context menus?
That's actually not old but the newest addition to the interface. The idea is to show the difference between a normal menu and a context menu because they are functionally different.
It's an important distinction because in a context menu you can destroy a playlist with a single tap, like in an "album" menu, which is why these are distinct, too.

The dark cs. light scheme is the same one Apple uses:dark means "NowPlaying" functionality, light means library. The only exception is Settings->Player Settings if you use that.


I assume you had a chance to look at SqueeezPad, it looks really good and consistant - it just lacks iPeng functionalities. ;) I keep the fingers crossed that you gonna do something about it.

Well, SqueezePad allows itself the luxury of wasting >50% of the screen for visual effects only, it's content area is just a little bit bigger that iPeng for iPhone's. You can of course do that on iPad (and I always said I'm not happy with iPeng for iPad's overall layout) but you can't do it on iPhone.
It's easy to make a playlist look the same way as a stored playlist if they are always in different places, you can't mix them up, on a small device you need to create visual clues.
Also, regarding the functionality: One of the reasons SqueezePad has a somewhat cleaner design than iPeng is that bluegaspode refuses to add functionality at the price of simplicity.


Obviously a lot of time goes into programming of new iPeng features, which do not relate to playback and media-/database management anymore. That I consider a pity.

Wikipedia was something like a 1h hack, really not a lot.
Facebook and Twitter for me are absolutely playback and media management features because it's for me a way to be finally able to play music I could not play on my Squeezebox at all so far - a growing pain (see my comment above).

On library management the situation is simple: I can't do anything more before Squeezebox Server 7.6 is out, the performance for a significant part of iPeng's user base would simply suffer too much. Even now, the things iPeng does in addition to standard Squeezeplay hurt performance and I'm frequently getting complaints to that respect, it's simply not an option.



Bottom line. I don't think those social media things will keep you in the lead. The wikipedia idea is not bad. Still, fighting the Googles/browsers and other spezialized apps etc. IMO won't work
out on the long run.

That would be a pity because it would mean that the Squeezebox will die out because that will be where the music will come from in the long run.


Via a web-browser you get to artist homepages, Amazon reviews and asf. in a very flexible way.

Yes. But without iPeng you can't actually PLAY that music. It's still an issue for me because two of the most frequently used services among my friends (rd.io and SoundCloud) are not supported at all by the Squeezebox.


I do and will keep doing my research-while-listening with my bowsers.

Maybe we are different, but I'm not prepared to try to find out for half an hour how I can actually play that link somebody sends me, it has to be faster and if faster means I have to use something else than the Squeezebox this is going to be an issue for my Squeezebox.
I've caught myself playing music through AppleTV!


Idea: I find myself using very often the browser to enter the html-based setup dialog of the SB server.
Would be great if I could do all that from iPeng. That's what I also consider very useful. I could change plugin parameter settings and advanced
settings, asf from inside iPeng. No need to switch apps.

I often thought about supporting that when you have the iPeng plugin installed. I'll have to check whether that still works with SBS 7.6 though.
There is absolutely no sense in re-programming that stuff in iPeng, it will be a huge piece of work and can change with each minor version or build of SBS meaning I would have to make a change in iPeng.


I'd find it nice if the tap2play function of iPeng as it is done on the iPhone would also be made available on the iPad. Tapping the album art from the collection-overview layer to start immediate album playback, should also work on the iPad. It could be introduced as a new-old selectable feature to be activated under settings. (Shouldn't be such a big deal)

We've tested it during the beta and believe me: you don't want it. It's too confusing because you can also open submenus by tapping artwork. It just doesn't work.


And... ...once in a while you should also have a look at the competition outside Logitech land, such as Sooloos, Linn etc, just to get some further inspiration. ;)


Believe me, I do. But you'll also have to see that Soolooos and Linn are a small section of the competition, others like Sonos, Apple and the likes are much bigger and more likely to drive the market, you also have to see what they do because it defines what the majority of users will expect in the future.

soundcheck
2011-07-19, 06:20
No need to defend anything. ;)

I guess I spreaded my message. I don't see any arguments from your side which would change my mind.

Good to see that you're working on a GUI redesign.

On an iPad you don't want to see a boring blue-white PC like surface. You want to see a cool & shiny control panel. A mix of squeezepad and ipeng plus a little more "coolness" or call it innovative control functions.


P.S: The "tap on album" works on the iPhone extremely well for me.
I don't see any reason not having it as configurable option on the iPad.
I'd really prefer a kind of consistent usability of both programs. (as a matter of fact I got both in use)


Cheers

pippin
2011-07-19, 06:35
On an iPad you don't want to see a boring blue-white PC like surface. You want to see a cool & shiny control panel. A mix of squeezepad and ipeng plus a little more "coolness" or call it innovative control functions.

Ah. OK. Wasn't aware that you were referring to iPad. My comments mainly apply to iPhone. iPad will get a redesign, too, but I'm not yet sure about the scheme, it's actually very, very difficult to do some of the things iPeng for iPad now does with a dark background.


P.S: The "tap on album" works on the iPhone extremely well for me.
I don't see any reason not having it as configurable option on the iPad.

Well, as I said: we tried it and almost everybody got confused and the decision to remove it was unambiguous. In the iPhone App it's consistent right now, in the iPad one it was not.


I'd really prefer a kind of consistent usability of both programs. (as a matter of fact I got both in use)


But how do you differentiate the two then? I was close to doing a "simple mode" for the iPhone version but as a matter of fact that would have pretty much looked like the Logitech App so what's the sense in it?

05mattjax
2011-07-19, 06:37
Following update the artists no longer appear on the artists tab.h I have to search via albums only! Also I cant one touch press for a song to play anymore. I have to press and hold it. Then choose what I want to do. If I do one touch the music stops and the playlist clears now - I dont like that. Also none of the other songs in the album flow through anymore. I loved these features, can I have them back please?

pippin
2011-07-19, 08:03
Following update the artists no longer appear on the artists tab.h I have to search via albums only! Also I cant one touch press for a song to play anymore. I have to press and hold it. Then choose what I want to do. If I do one touch the music stops and the playlist clears now - I dont like that. Also none of the other songs in the album flow through anymore. I loved these features, can I have them back please?

There's nothing really changed WRT that UNLESS you use an old build of Squeezebox Server 7.6 beta.In this case, please update your server SW.

Otherwise, please try "Settings->iPeng Settings->Flush Cache" and please restart iPeng after force-quitting it through the task bar.

05mattjax
2011-07-19, 08:21
There's nothing really changed WRT that UNLESS you use an old build of Squeezebox Server 7.6 beta.In this case, please update your server SW.

Otherwise, please try "Settings->iPeng Settings->Flush Cache" and please restart iPeng after force-quitting it through the task bar.

Thanks. I updated SBS at the sametime as iPeng, to the latest version from the logitech website, on my Netgear ReadyNas Duo. It's 7.5.5.

Will try the reset you suggest and report back. I have definitely flushed it since but not force quit it.

pippin
2011-07-19, 08:44
Thanks. I updated SBS at the sametime as iPeng, to the latest version from the logitech website, on my Netgear ReadyNas Duo. It's 7.5.5.

Will try the reset you suggest and report back. I have definitely flushed it since but not force quit it.

Also, please check whether everything works as expected through the web interface, sounds like some people are having issues here with 7.5.5.

05mattjax
2011-07-19, 10:04
Also, please check whether everything works as expected through the web interface, sounds like some people are having issues here with 7.5.5.

Done as you suggested and the artists appear for about a second then all disappear, strange. Done it a few times now. More concerned about the playback feature. Hopefully its not just me. I will check web interface.

05mattjax
2011-07-19, 10:44
Done as you suggested and the artists appear for about a second then all disappear, strange. Done it a few times now. More concerned about the playback feature. Hopefully its not just me. I will check web interface.

Web interface not working correctly either. same problem with artists. I have rescanned the whole music library, waiting results....

pippin
2011-08-06, 02:22
New iPeng updates are now available in the App Store.

One thing is that it fixes an annoying crash on startup that some people experienced after upgrading to Squeezebox Server 7.6.0. There was a simple workaround but hey, let's better fix it...

To not make it just a boring bugfix, there are also a few updates to the functionality:

Browser
* There is now an (internet) browser under "Extras" that you can use to browse and play music from web sites on your Squeezebox. I love that I can no read music blogs like Stereogum and listen to the stuff they link right away :)
* Each page driven by a browser (including facebook and Wikipedia) now has it's owm URL entry field and "pull to refresh" feature (iOs 4 and newer only).

Sharing
* There's now better support for sharing and playing shared links with Rhapsody and Spotify
* Facebook posts now have an (editable) default "I'm listening to" text.

Lookup
* Wikipedia lookup now also works for local library entries while browsing
* There's now also a Google Search for Lyrics under the Lookup menu. No, you can't use it for the lyrics screen saver in iPeng for iPad, that would be a bit too much of a stretch.

Playback
* There's now an "Play All" entry on some context menus. There are a few cases where this will play whole menus (e.g. Top 100 tracks in Triode's Spotify plugin) where you could only play single tracks before. Unfortunately, Favorites is not one of them.

Stability
* There were cases where iPeng got "stuck" when it could not connect back to the server right away. This should now be fixed by iPeng reconnecting but depending on Network status it can take some seconds.

Have fun!

iPeng's at www.penguinlovesmusic.com

sadglad
2011-08-06, 12:02
I like the new social features and it was something I missed before, I share music on FB several times a week. I will certainly use the other social features too :)

I bought the playback option but have only got it to work on the iPad (it's a pain to get it to sync with the radio though), do I have to sync both the iPad and the iPhone to iTunes for it to work on the iPhone too? It won't show up as a player, only the iPad and the SB Radio. This feature will come to it's use when I have to do the laundry. An almost seamless stream of music, I like that :)

pippin
2011-08-06, 13:46
Umm. What exactly did you do?
You've got both Ipegn for iPad and iPeng for iPhone, I read. Have you read the instructions in the "Enable Playback" menu on how you get the discounted playback?

The playback in the iPad App generally is a different "product" from the one in the iPhone App by App Store logic, there really isn't a way around that other than requiring a registration (and setting up an authorisation server) or the way I've done this.

Please have a look at this:
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/2011/03/18/new-ipeng-versions-update-playback-change-discount-model/

sadglad
2011-08-07, 03:25
I did the same as it says in the instructions but it took a long time before the restore previous purchase worked on the iPhone, it works now though. Thanks.

I like that I now can do almost everything in the iPeng app, it's my main music controller in this house :)

Siduhe
2011-08-07, 04:16
Browser
* There is now an (internet) browser under "Extras" that you can use to browse and play music from web sites on your Squeezebox. I love that I can no read music blogs like Stereogum and listen to the stuff they link right away
* Each page driven by a browser (including facebook and Wikipedia) now has it's owm URL entry field and "pull to refresh" feature (iOs 4 and newer only).

Just wanted to post and say this is an amazing new feature - something I've been wanting for ages and it works brilliantly. We listen to a lot of podcasts and this makes it really simple to try new ones out.

Chunkywizard
2012-01-07, 01:45
Hi pippin,

I just had a play with sharing what I was listening to Facebook. It doesn't seem to be working, If I share a track I am playing from my local library I get no text inputted into the Facebook window, just a sent from iPeng footer. I tried share by email and this is as I would expect with track and album details. Do you know why it isn't working?

Screenshots available if you want,

CW

pippin
2012-01-07, 06:18
I just had a play with sharing what I was listening to Facebook. It doesn't seem to be working, If I share a track I am playing from my local library I get no text inputted into the Facebook window, just a sent from iPeng footer. I tried share by email and this is as I would expect with track and album details. Do you know why it isn't working?


Yes, I know why that is: its facebook.
Facebook doesn't allow any auto-generated content anymore and automnatically removes it in their standard dialog (which iPeng uses). You'd have to use OpenGraph now (which I plan to eventually do) but the you'd have to provide the persistence yourself (for links) which isn't necessarily easy.

You can still re-add info for the current track by doing a "hold" in the entry field for the text so that the iOS Edit-Menu comes up, iPeng adds a "paste current track" menu (usually under "more >") which will paste the same info that was originally part of the message, this counts because now _you_ are entering the data.

If you are posting something containing links (Spotify et al, Radio,...) the link will still be present, that's still allowed, it's just the message itself that can no longer be precomposed.

I was considering to use the API directly and ignore facebook's rules (no idea how they would react) but then the link resolution would no longer work, that seems to be broken in that standard API, it only anymore works with OpenGraph.