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kdf
2004-09-24, 11:48
Jules,

Is AlienBBC only capable of parsing certain links? I've noticed that some dont
seem to show up in the listen again list even though they are on the website.
It seems to be the direct .ram links that work, where other styles don't.

I'm guessing BBC wants to force us foreigners to have to watch their webads
while we listen to H2G2.

-kdf

Craig Eales
2004-09-24, 12:11
AlienBBC has a small set of parsers for the different root pages Jules
and I managed to find. The parsers go for safety over completeness:
there was trouble over links to 'Leave feedback' etc.

If you have some examples of links that are more general than a one
off case then it is simple to add them. However, adding special
parsers for the "/prehistoric_manual.shtml" is madness as the pages
change all the time - you will notice that the programmers working
on different genres are separate and have different html styles (look
at the contortions required for BBCAodParser vs Radio7 Parser).

On the positive side, there are some ideas afoot for the main menus to
be downloaded from a website, and also an 'Add link' option so people
can help contribute the individual pages.

Craig


On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:48:00 -0700, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>
> Jules,
>
> Is AlienBBC only capable of parsing certain links? I've noticed that some dont
> seem to show up in the listen again list even though they are on the website.
> It seems to be the direct .ram links that work, where other styles don't.
>
> I'm guessing BBC wants to force us foreigners to have to watch their webads
> while we listen to H2G2.
>
> -kdf
>

kdf
2004-09-24, 12:22
Thanks Craig.

The specific link I was looking for is:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?hitchhikers

and there seems to be a large number that are similar to this, starting with
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?

ending in the name of the stream. I haven't gone back into the plugin to see if
all links of that format are missing.

I haven't had any time to go looking at the code of the plugin, so I'm not sure
which page you end up parsing for radio 4.

looking at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml
it seems just about all of the listen again links, regardles of the anchor, have
"listen" and the little speaker graphic.

Understandably, this may or may not be of any use to you :)

cheers,
kdf

Quoting Craig Eales <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:

> AlienBBC has a small set of parsers for the different root pages Jules
> and I managed to find. The parsers go for safety over completeness:
> there was trouble over links to 'Leave feedback' etc.
>
> If you have some examples of links that are more general than a one
> off case then it is simple to add them. However, adding special
> parsers for the "/prehistoric_manual.shtml" is madness as the pages
> change all the time - you will notice that the programmers working
> on different genres are separate and have different html styles (look
> at the contortions required for BBCAodParser vs Radio7 Parser).
>
> On the positive side, there are some ideas afoot for the main menus to
> be downloaded from a website, and also an 'Add link' option so people
> can help contribute the individual pages.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:48:00 -0700, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Jules,
> >
> > Is AlienBBC only capable of parsing certain links? I've noticed that some
> dont
> > seem to show up in the listen again list even though they are on the
> website.
> > It seems to be the direct .ram links that work, where other styles don't.
> >
> > I'm guessing BBC wants to force us foreigners to have to watch their webads
> > while we listen to H2G2.
> >
> > -kdf
> >

Craig Eales
2004-09-24, 12:42
If hitchhiker's was not available there would an *immediate* patch ;-)

There is a specific parser for the
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml? pages - this is the
original 'Jules' Parser.

I have just managed to play hitchhikers from the alienBBC plugin.

I navigated -> AlienBBC -> Radio 4 A-Z -> Hitchhickers -> Play
Does this work in the states - or are the BBC blocking by IP range?

Enjoy.

CE

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:22:35 -0700, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
> Thanks Craig.
>
> The specific link I was looking for is:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?hitchhikers
>
> and there seems to be a large number that are similar to this, starting with
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?
>
> ending in the name of the stream. I haven't gone back into the plugin to see if
> all links of that format are missing.
>
> I haven't had any time to go looking at the code of the plugin, so I'm not sure
> which page you end up parsing for radio 4.
>
> looking at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml
> it seems just about all of the listen again links, regardles of the anchor, have
> "listen" and the little speaker graphic.
>
> Understandably, this may or may not be of any use to you :)
>
> cheers,
> kdf
>
>
>
> Quoting Craig Eales <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:
>
> > AlienBBC has a small set of parsers for the different root pages Jules
> > and I managed to find. The parsers go for safety over completeness:
> > there was trouble over links to 'Leave feedback' etc.
> >
> > If you have some examples of links that are more general than a one
> > off case then it is simple to add them. However, adding special
> > parsers for the "/prehistoric_manual.shtml" is madness as the pages
> > change all the time - you will notice that the programmers working
> > on different genres are separate and have different html styles (look
> > at the contortions required for BBCAodParser vs Radio7 Parser).
> >
> > On the positive side, there are some ideas afoot for the main menus to
> > be downloaded from a website, and also an 'Add link' option so people
> > can help contribute the individual pages.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:48:00 -0700, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Jules,
> > >
> > > Is AlienBBC only capable of parsing certain links? I've noticed that some
> > dont
> > > seem to show up in the listen again list even though they are on the
> > website.
> > > It seems to be the direct .ram links that work, where other styles don't.
> > >
> > > I'm guessing BBC wants to force us foreigners to have to watch their webads
> > > while we listen to H2G2.
> > >
> > > -kdf
> > >

kdf
2004-09-24, 12:48
Quoting Craig Eales <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:

> If hitchhiker's was not available there would an *immediate* patch ;-)
>
> There is a specific parser for the
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml? pages - this is the
> original 'Jules' Parser.
>
> I have just managed to play hitchhikers from the alienBBC plugin.
>
> I navigated -> AlienBBC -> Radio 4 A-Z -> Hitchhickers -> Play
> Does this work in the states - or are the BBC blocking by IP range?


I'll have to try it again later. Maybe I was taking it too literal when the
side siad it woudl be available after the thursday repeat airing :)

thanks
kdf

Craig Eales
2004-09-24, 12:53
You are right - it is not under the "listen again" choice on the BBC webpage.
It is only navigable (is that a word?) via the radio 4 page - however
alienBBC has the Radio 4 parser too so you should be able to get it.

CE

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:48:27 -0700, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:
> Quoting Craig Eales <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:
>
> > If hitchhiker's was not available there would an *immediate* patch ;-)
> >
> > There is a specific parser for the
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml? pages - this is the
> > original 'Jules' Parser.
> >
> > I have just managed to play hitchhikers from the alienBBC plugin.
> >
> > I navigated -> AlienBBC -> Radio 4 A-Z -> Hitchhickers -> Play
> > Does this work in the states - or are the BBC blocking by IP range?
>
>
> I'll have to try it again later. Maybe I was taking it too literal when the
> side siad it woudl be available after the thursday repeat airing :)
>
> thanks
>
>
> kdf
>

kdf
2004-09-24, 13:00
Quoting Craig Eales <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:

> You are right - it is not under the "listen again" choice on the BBC webpage.
> It is only navigable (is that a word?) via the radio 4 page - however
> alienBBC has the Radio 4 parser too so you should be able to get it.

yes, thanks. Found it. I hadn't thought to go through the A to Z last night.
However, I'm stuck on windows for a while so a listen will have to wait :)

-kdf

Jules Taplin
2004-09-24, 17:18
Ahh..

I see the problem. I think this is a terminology thing. The phrase 'Listen
Again' is the BBC's generic term for all their AOD streams, but they
actually use it interchangably on some of the pages. For example... 'Listen
Again' on the Radio 4 pages points to an A-Z listing of all available Radio
4 programming (not to be confused with 'A-Z', which is a listing of all the
programming, but not necessarily those with available streams). However...
do the same on the Radio 2 pages, and you get linked back into the AOD
player page set.

There's already an error or two in our naming (the BBC7 pages are
incorrectly called 'Radio 7', which isn't a BBC ident at all, although it
would be more internally consistent - the official titles are: Radio 1,
Radio 2, Radio 3, Radio 4, Radio 5 Live, 6 Music, BBC7 - no logic in there
at all to my mind!)

But... good point - Hitchhikers. Must listen to it.

Oh. And for those AlienBBC users who might like to hang onto these, might I
suggest the following lines of shell script:

mkfifo /tmp/fifo
XINE_WAVE_OUTPUT=/tmp/fifo
export XINE_WAVE_OUTPUT
alienstream http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/hitchhikers.ram &
lame -b 128 /tmp/fifo /tmp/hitchhikers.mp3

Then... leave it for as long as it takes to finish. With any luck - you'll
end up with an mp3 of the episode. ;)

Or... if you've not got AlienBBC, but you've got mplayer around... try it as
follows (not actually tested this one):

mkfifo /tmp/fifo
mplayer -ao pcm -aofile /tmp/fifo -playlist
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/hitchhikers.ram &
lame -b 128 /tmp/fifo /tmp/hitchhikers.mp3


-- Jules

----- Original Message -----
From: "kdf" <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: [slim] AlienBBC and BBC games


> Quoting Craig Eales <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:
>
>> You are right - it is not under the "listen again" choice on the BBC
>> webpage.
>> It is only navigable (is that a word?) via the radio 4 page - however
>> alienBBC has the Radio 4 parser too so you should be able to get it.
>
> yes, thanks. Found it. I hadn't thought to go through the A to Z last
> night.
> However, I'm stuck on windows for a while so a listen will have to wait :)
>
> -kdf
>

Jules Taplin
2004-09-24, 17:18
Ahh..

I see the problem. I think this is a terminology thing. The phrase 'Listen
Again' is the BBC's generic term for all their AOD streams, but they
actually use it interchangably on some of the pages. For example... 'Listen
Again' on the Radio 4 pages points to an A-Z listing of all available Radio
4 programming (not to be confused with 'A-Z', which is a listing of all the
programming, but not necessarily those with available streams). However...
do the same on the Radio 2 pages, and you get linked back into the AOD
player page set.

There's already an error or two in our naming (the BBC7 pages are
incorrectly called 'Radio 7', which isn't a BBC ident at all, although it
would be more internally consistent - the official titles are: Radio 1,
Radio 2, Radio 3, Radio 4, Radio 5 Live, 6 Music, BBC7 - no logic in there
at all to my mind!)

But... good point - Hitchhikers. Must listen to it.

Oh. And for those AlienBBC users who might like to hang onto these, might I
suggest the following lines of shell script:

mkfifo /tmp/fifo
XINE_WAVE_OUTPUT=/tmp/fifo
export XINE_WAVE_OUTPUT
alienstream http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/hitchhikers.ram &
lame -b 128 /tmp/fifo /tmp/hitchhikers.mp3

Then... leave it for as long as it takes to finish. With any luck - you'll
end up with an mp3 of the episode. ;)

Or... if you've not got AlienBBC, but you've got mplayer around... try it as
follows (not actually tested this one):

mkfifo /tmp/fifo
mplayer -ao pcm -aofile /tmp/fifo -playlist
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/hitchhikers.ram &
lame -b 128 /tmp/fifo /tmp/hitchhikers.mp3


-- Jules

----- Original Message -----
From: "kdf" <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: [slim] AlienBBC and BBC games


> Quoting Craig Eales <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:
>
>> You are right - it is not under the "listen again" choice on the BBC
>> webpage.
>> It is only navigable (is that a word?) via the radio 4 page - however
>> alienBBC has the Radio 4 parser too so you should be able to get it.
>
> yes, thanks. Found it. I hadn't thought to go through the A to Z last
> night.
> However, I'm stuck on windows for a while so a listen will have to wait :)
>
> -kdf
>

Beesley, S
2004-09-26, 11:32
Are all the episodes available?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jules Taplin" <slim-discuss (AT) ourhouse (DOT) org.uk>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 1:18 AM
Subject: [slim] AlienBBC and BBC games




>
> But... good point - Hitchhikers. Must listen to it.
>
> Oh. And for those AlienBBC users who might like to hang onto these, might
> I suggest the following lines of shell script:
>
> mkfifo /tmp/fifo
> XINE_WAVE_OUTPUT=/tmp/fifo
> export XINE_WAVE_OUTPUT
> alienstream http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/hitchhikers.ram &
> lame -b 128 /tmp/fifo /tmp/hitchhikers.mp3
>
> Then... leave it for as long as it takes to finish. With any luck - you'll
> end up with an mp3 of the episode. ;)
>
> Or... if you've not got AlienBBC, but you've got mplayer around... try it
> as follows (not actually tested this one):
>
> mkfifo /tmp/fifo
> mplayer -ao pcm -aofile /tmp/fifo -playlist
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/hitchhikers.ram &
> lame -b 128 /tmp/fifo /tmp/hitchhikers.mp3
>
>
> -- Jules
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kdf" <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com>
> To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:00 PM
> Subject: [slim] AlienBBC and BBC games
>
>
>> Quoting Craig Eales <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:
>>
>>> You are right - it is not under the "listen again" choice on the BBC
>>> webpage.
>>> It is only navigable (is that a word?) via the radio 4 page - however
>>> alienBBC has the Radio 4 parser too so you should be able to get it.
>>
>> yes, thanks. Found it. I hadn't thought to go through the A to Z last
>> night.
>> However, I'm stuck on windows for a while so a listen will have to wait
>> :)
>>
>> -kdf
>>

Craig Eales
2004-09-26, 11:54
No just the first episode - this will be available until Thursday then
the second will become available, etc.

Craig


On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:32:01 +0100, Beesley, S <sbeesley (AT) dsl (DOT) pipex.com> wrote:
> Are all the episodes available?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jules Taplin" <slim-discuss (AT) ourhouse (DOT) org.uk>
> To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 1:18 AM
> Subject: [slim] AlienBBC and BBC games
>
> >
> > But... good point - Hitchhikers. Must listen to it.
> >
> > Oh. And for those AlienBBC users who might like to hang onto these, might
> > I suggest the following lines of shell script:
> >
> > mkfifo /tmp/fifo
> > XINE_WAVE_OUTPUT=/tmp/fifo
> > export XINE_WAVE_OUTPUT
> > alienstream http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/hitchhikers.ram &
> > lame -b 128 /tmp/fifo /tmp/hitchhikers.mp3
> >
> > Then... leave it for as long as it takes to finish. With any luck - you'll
> > end up with an mp3 of the episode. ;)
> >
> > Or... if you've not got AlienBBC, but you've got mplayer around... try it
> > as follows (not actually tested this one):
> >
> > mkfifo /tmp/fifo
> > mplayer -ao pcm -aofile /tmp/fifo -playlist
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/hitchhikers.ram &
> > lame -b 128 /tmp/fifo /tmp/hitchhikers.mp3
> >
> >
> > -- Jules
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "kdf" <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com>
> > To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:00 PM
> > Subject: [slim] AlienBBC and BBC games
> >
> >
> >> Quoting Craig Eales <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>:
> >>
> >>> You are right - it is not under the "listen again" choice on the BBC
> >>> webpage.
> >>> It is only navigable (is that a word?) via the radio 4 page - however
> >>> alienBBC has the Radio 4 parser too so you should be able to get it.
> >>
> >> yes, thanks. Found it. I hadn't thought to go through the A to Z last
> >> night.
> >> However, I'm stuck on windows for a while so a listen will have to wait
> >> :)
> >>
> >> -kdf
> >>

Beesley, S
2004-09-26, 12:00
Thanks for the tip on HG2TG.

I have windows XP and have now got MPlayer. Are there any quick steps to
downloading and installing the necessary to get AlienBB working with SB?

Thanks


----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Eales" <craig.eales (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:11 PM
Subject: [slim] AlienBBC and BBC games


> AlienBBC has a small set of parsers for the different root pages Jules
> and I managed to find. The parsers go for safety over completeness:
> there was trouble over links to 'Leave feedback' etc.
>
> If you have some examples of links that are more general than a one
> off case then it is simple to add them. However, adding special
> parsers for the "/prehistoric_manual.shtml" is madness as the pages
> change all the time - you will notice that the programmers working
> on different genres are separate and have different html styles (look
> at the contortions required for BBCAodParser vs Radio7 Parser).
>
> On the positive side, there are some ideas afoot for the main menus to
> be downloaded from a website, and also an 'Add link' option so people
> can help contribute the individual pages.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:48:00 -0700, kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jules,
>>
>> Is AlienBBC only capable of parsing certain links? I've noticed that
>> some dont
>> seem to show up in the listen again list even though they are on the
>> website.
>> It seems to be the direct .ram links that work, where other styles don't.
>>
>> I'm guessing BBC wants to force us foreigners to have to watch their
>> webads
>> while we listen to H2G2.
>>
>> -kdf
>>