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fairyliquidizer
2011-04-05, 04:04
Hi,

I know SlimDevices preferred to keep quiet about developments which at least saved us from a million "is it ready yet?" and "FFS when will they release it" posts however I was looking at the Logitech porfolio and the way it is slimming down (older products no longer being pushed on their site) and wondering if this was just the natural cycle and some refresh products are immiminent or if things are quietly in decline.

Is there any signs of life from Logitech?

Thanks,
Fairy

PS- I have been happy with my SB3 and have only just bought a Radio to add to my family. However I would like to see the family developing over the years. I also value the fact that old platforms are not ignored.

bpa
2011-04-05, 04:44
Did you see the thread about LMS ?

see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628

maggior
2011-04-05, 06:12
Thanks for the link bpa - I missed that thread. It's very interesting to see other media being introduced into the server. I think they are heading in the right direction as long as they don't totally abandon the audio only solutions.

fairyliquidizer
2011-04-05, 08:16
Did you see the thread about LMS ?

see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86628

I didn't and must confess that in theory a video squeezebox is a good thing. The issue with video is DRM and many do not wish to strip HiDef DRM because of local legal restrictions or processing power.

I played with a WDTV for a time but the processing to make digital copies of my films available in a useable format MKV/M2TS was power and time intensive. Then I had occasional subtitle/audio encoding issues and the time increased further. It became more convenient to get up and change the BluRay disc over.

Ultimately this is probably the future and if it is ever as easy as my audio life is then I will be happy.

I hope this is a positive sign for Audio products too.

eganders
2011-04-05, 21:03
There have been several threads over the past many months about forum member's desires for new Squeezebox Products from Logitech. Reading the posts above, and the referenced thread, the Logitech Media Server with DLNA doesn't seem like it's close to being ready yet.

According to another recent thread, a reasonable SWAG for the release of v.7.6 is around the June time frame. That also seems like a great time to come out with a new product in preparation for this year's holiday season.

Personally, I expect Logitech will release a new version of the Squeezebox Boom with a GUI interface akin to the Radio and Touch.

erland
2011-04-05, 22:25
Personally, I would be very happy if they decided to release some new Squeezebox hardware but if you want me to realistic I don't expect to see any new Squeezebox hardware this year. The current hardware is state of the art in the market at its price range, it's the software that needs improvement. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to happen much on the software side besides things related to Logitech Revue and things focused at decreasing the support/maintenance costs for Logitech.

The only hardware that makes sense at the moment is new hardware that result in a decreased maintenance cost, to me this means that the only thing that seems realistic is a Touch with more memory so the built-in server works reliable. However, it's not like Logitech has indicated that they think the built-in server have any problems, it has been discussed a lot between community members but I've never seen any Logitech representative acknowledge the problems.

A Boom with color display might seem nice but the only thing that makes that interesting for Logitech is that it will make their manufacturing easier since they don't need to ensure continued manufacturing of the VFD displays. If they like to ease the manufacturing, they can accomplish the same by just dropping the Boom and refer potential customers to the Radio instead. I don't think people that would have got the Boom would go to someone else, they would just buy a Touch with powered speakers or a Radio.

I think Logitech will focus on new hardware related to the Revue platform instead of the Squeezebox platform. The UPnP/DLNA stuff is a strong indication in this direction, it's pretty obvious they add UPnP/DLNA to improve Revue integration.

A separate server box might make some sense when LMS has been released but the question I still ask myself is how many Revue users would be interesting in buying an additional box, most Revue users would probably just use a existing computer instead.

Of course, this is all just guesses, we have no idea what Logitech really plans.

eganders
2011-04-06, 20:17
A Boom with color display might seem nice but the only thing that makes that interesting for Logitech is that it will make their manufacturing easier since they don't need to ensure continued manufacturing of the VFD displays. If they like to ease the manufacturing, they can accomplish the same by just dropping the Boom and refer potential customers to the Radio instead. I don't think people that would have got the Boom would go to someone else, they would just buy a Touch with powered speakers or a Radio.

The SqueezeBox Radio, nice as it is, is just not a substitute for a good stereo table radio. B*s* has proven that over and over for many years running.

As you mention, one could do quite well combining a Touch with a quality amp and some good speakers. But realistically, so many customers just don't have the bank account to go there, let alone the interest or knowledge (of hifi).

Bottom line: The value of a stereo all-in-one table player, such as a Boom II, would be quite compelling for a great many consumers. I really hope a product like that shows up soon. I need to purchase some more.

cparker
2011-04-07, 13:25
I'm mystified by this LMS product, Windows 7 comes with Windows Media Center that can already do all this stuff in the Core OS and you can plugin HDTV tuners for PVR and have SBS sitting on top doing Audio.

As SB products are G class I can imagine streaming HD/blu-ray via wireless will be stutted heaven, assuming they would even be powerful enough to cope.

So apart from being Google whats the point of the product? What am I missing?

erland
2011-04-07, 14:17
As SB products are G class I can imagine streaming HD/blu-ray via wireless will be stutted heaven, assuming they would even be powerful enough to cope.

LMS is not added for existing Squeezebox products, the main product that will use LMS functionality at the moment is Logitech Revue which I believe also have 802.11n network. The only feature I expect might be of interest on existing Squeezebox products is some kind of photo screen saver on the Touch, but that hopefully has pretty low priority compared to a lot of other things.

pippin
2011-04-07, 14:37
the main product that will use LMS functionality at the moment is Logitech Revue

You don't know that.

erland
2011-04-07, 14:51
You don't know that.

True, I was just trying to say that I personally can't see a big need/usage of LMS among currently existing Squeezebox products. New Logitech products and Logitech Revue feels like the main target from a Logitech perspective, besides this it could probably also be used by third party products but I'm not sure that's a big reason from a Logitech perspective. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

MrSinatra
2011-04-07, 15:04
i think the current revue (not to mention googleTV) is an unqualified disaster. i've kinda been assuming that their plan is to do a new revue, which fixes a lot of the current ones issues.

i would not be surprised to see a "touch" version of server in a revue2, where it uses the TV for a screen. (and android for a remote)

i am hoping it will be a full blown LMS in revue, but logitech seems to always botch these things.

i absolutely agree that LMS/DLNA/Video and so on is all going in there so that a users computer can support the revue, and i think thats a good thing. (predicted it long ago)