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Bert003
2011-03-07, 11:38
Hi,

I am looking for a Windows application to control my SC and SB's.
I am a happy iPeng user and I have seen an iPad app with the playlist and browse window together in 1 screen. And that worked very comfortable, always have you playlist visible while browsing the database and adding music with drag and drop.

I don't like the SC web interface very much because I find it veryslow and it doesn't support drag and drop.

I already tried Moose but it gave playback problems on my system (stuttering playback).

Webkemmi
2011-03-07, 11:54
moose works great and never can be the reason for stuttering playback since it has nothing to do with streaming audio data to the players.

Bert003
2011-03-07, 12:23
Moose doesn't work for me.

Are there any other windows programs?

pippin
2011-03-07, 12:24
Moose doesn't work for me.


Why not?

There's SqueezePlay
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.5

Bert003
2011-03-07, 12:43
Well, I tried it and first I had problems to update Moose's database. I got an errormessage. I don't remember how I got around that, but later I got the same message about firewall's etc. Also with the firewall turned off I got this error. It should just work since all my squeezeboxes are working, also softsqueeze and squeezeplay.

And then there is this problem that the playback stops or stutters while using Moose. A few years ago it worked, but not anymore.

In my opinion Squeezeplay is more like a remote control app, far from handy for selecting music and works not for people like me who are looking for a comfortable way to select music.

If you could port your iPad app to WIndows I'll be the first to buy it :-)

bobkoure
2011-03-07, 19:10
...depending on what you're using for a server.
I run SBS on an atom based server and have the db and cache in memory
Home/My Music/New Music takes around 2.5 sec on FF3/Prism, 2 sec on Chrome, click to icons on browser panel.
I don't regard this as fast, but acceptable.
You might, too - hence this comment.

Oh, this with a medium sized database ~70K tracks. The client machine has something to do with the delay as well, and this is on an old Athalon box.

pski
2011-03-07, 19:24
Hi,

I am looking for a Windows application to control my SC and SB's.
I am a happy iPeng user and I have seen an iPad app with the playlist and browse window together in 1 screen. And that worked very comfortable, always have you playlist visible while browsing the database and adding music with drag and drop.

I don't like the SC web interface very much because I find it veryslow and it doesn't support drag and drop.

I already tried Moose but it gave playback problems on my system (stuttering playback).

If the webUI is slow, it's because your SBS machine is slow. Your first paragraph says you already have a solution. Of course that contradicts your second paragraph.

How well do you read?

MrSinatra
2011-03-07, 20:57
you could install whitebear and use a dlna/upnp app to control sbs.

garym
2011-03-08, 04:32
In my opinion Squeezeplay is more like a remote control app, far from handy for selecting music and works not for people like me who are looking for a comfortable way to select music.


I'd have to disagree. I find squeezeplay on my laptop to be a very easy way to locate artists, albums, etc. (as well as control other things). It is very fast navigating my 60,000+ tracks.

If you find this very slow (and the webUI also slow), this is a function of your computer running SBS being too slow/underpowered, as already suggested.

Bert003
2011-03-08, 11:04
My server is a single core Atom N270 pc, dedicated for Squeezecenter.
But I don't like to work with it like a browser. After each click a new page has to be loaded, and that is a waste of time.
It works good for doing configuration things but i.m.o. not for browsing and selecting music.

Squeezeplay does emulate the SB interface but it is strange for me while having a keyboard you cannot press "S" to go to the first title beginning with an "S". Besides of that I want to use the screen of my laptop for the playlist and many other things. I played with a Linn DS streamer with an iPad app and it worked just better. And I know, there are always people who are used to work with the 4 arrow keys for navigation and won't need anymore than that. And people who swear at the SB classic with the 1 row of text display, but not for me.
I respect people who just want it the way Logitech developed it.

But for people like me who want fast and convenient selecting music while having now playing visible, I ask if there are other programs. But I guess not.

In the mean time I installed Whitebear, and tried Foobar with upnp plugin. Browsing was slow I guess because the database wasn't cached locally.

But if that is the way to go let me know which program would be better. With a normal modern graphical intuitive clean interface.

I don't have an iPad otherwise it would be much easier.

aubuti
2011-03-08, 11:26
I don't know if it will meet your preferences, but have you looked at muso?

Fwiw, none of the issues you cite wrt Moose appear to be Moose problems. Stuttering and inability to update the database are not problems inherent to Moose and can be overcome with the right fixes. Whether it's the right interface for you is a different thing.

Bert003
2011-03-08, 14:19
If everybody uses Moose without problems, it must be on my side. But as soon as I turn on Moose playback begins to stutter op stops and when I close Moose everything is normal. And I don't know what to do to solve this.

Will look for Muso, google doesn't find useful links on Muso so far.

aubuti
2011-03-08, 14:28
If everybody uses Moose without problems, it must be on my side. But as soon as I turn on Moose playback begins to stutter op stops and when I close Moose everything is normal. And I don't know what to do to solve this.

Will look for Muso, google doesn't find useful links on Muso so far.
Interesting. It came up as the 4th hit on my google search (http://albumbrowser.klarita.net/muso.html). Even so, searching within these forums is likely to be more productive. Here's a good one: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57629

I can't speak for everybody's success with Moose, but it works for me, and considering that it interacts with SBS exclusively through the command-line interface it's really hard to see how it could be the source of the stuttering unless you have something configured incorrectly.

bwaldron
2011-03-08, 14:38
I can't speak for everybody's success with Moose, but it works for me, and considering that it interacts with SBS exclusively through the command-line interface it's really hard to see how it could be the source of the stuttering unless you have something configured incorrectly.

I would have to agree.

Bert003
2011-03-08, 14:59
My google search didn't find much useful http://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&biw=1143&bih=804&q=muso&aq=f&aqi=g1g-s1g8&aql=&oq=&fp=37759ee467d6fc55

Anyway, I installed Muso but when I tried to import the database:
"Unexpected error in SBS scan: Table slimserver.track_statistics doesn't exist" Probably again I am the only one with problems :-)
Strange font they use by default. It's not a book...

>>Starting troubleshooting...

aubuti
2011-03-08, 15:10
The correct link still came up #9 on your google.nl search page, which isn't bad considering muso probably doesn't have any pages in Dutch.... And "muso squeezebox" (without quotes) brings it right to the top.

Re your database problems, what version of SBS are you using? If you're using 7.6 beta that could be the problem, because 7.6 uses SQLite, and these Windows apps are looking for MySQL, which is what 7.5.x uses.

Agree about the muso font :-)

pippin
2011-03-08, 16:55
If everybody uses Moose without problems, it must be on my side. But as soon as I turn on Moose playback begins to stutter op stops and when I close Moose everything is normal. And I don't know what to do to solve this.

Will look for Muso, google doesn't find useful links on Muso so far.

Moose syncs the database. If you've got a slow server that can keep it too busy for a while.
Should eventually go away when it's running for a while.

slate
2011-03-09, 04:32
Anyway, I installed Muso but when I tried to import the database:
"Unexpected error in SBS scan: Table slimserver.track_statistics doesn't exist" Probably again I am the only one with problems :-)

What version of SBS are you running?

jezbo
2011-03-09, 04:42
My google search didn't find much useful http://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&biw=1143&bih=804&q=muso&aq=f&aqi=g1g-s1g8&aql=&oq=&fp=37759ee467d6fc55

Anyway, I installed Muso but when I tried to import the database:
"Unexpected error in SBS scan: Table slimserver.track_statistics doesn't exist" Probably again I am the only one with problems :-)
Strange font they use by default. It's not a book...

>>Starting troubleshooting...

Turn off the option in muso which sets it to use the trackstat plugin information (I should probably change the default).
Default font is Georgia, but you can change it as you wish.

vrette
2011-03-09, 08:31
I'm using Moose on two different computers with two different SB Touch, and haven't had any issues since I got it configured to my liking... Though I will now need to check out Muso

Bert003
2011-03-11, 15:54
@Jezbo:

I turned off the option and now scanning starts but ends with 15203 songs scanned with 15203 scanning errors . . .

jimzak
2011-03-12, 15:28
I like this thread.

I finally installed Moose and I like it.

jezbo
2011-07-26, 04:42
@Jezbo:

I turned off the option and now scanning starts but ends with 15203 songs scanned with 15203 scanning errors . . .

All such things are fixable. Send me details and I'll take a look - if you run from the start menu in debug mode it generates a log file you could send me.

http://klarita.net/forum/index.php?topic=155.0

Skye
2011-07-26, 05:27
Hello Bert003, I’m inclined to agree with many of your observations - interface appearance can be a quite personal reaction, depending on the type of music you play and how you visualize how your music files are stored.
You might like to use Foobar2000 to control your Squeezeboxen as indicated here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79575

As the majority of my files are of classical music, I find that I use folder organization (composer, work, performers) more intuitive than the usual hierarchy of the default tagging schemes. Using the ‘folder structure’ library display in Foobar2000 is brilliant for that, and the speed of the whole thing quite a relief.

I just wish stuffedspacedog would make it a plugin.

Bert003
2011-07-26, 08:13
I tried Foobar with an UPNP plugin and I use Whitebear server. But the problem was that browsing was too slow for me. Each time I go into Artist or Album I had to wait some time until artists or albums showed up. So I quit with that.

And I used more UPNP programs but they all have the same problem. Too much waiting time. I still would like to have a fast program which caches the database like iPeng and Moose do.

In the mean time I use Moose. It works now but I don't like the strange interface and all the strange functions which I don't understand yet.

I guess a "normal" looking Windows application doesn't exist yet after all these years, and I doubt there will be one during the time Squeezeserver will be alive. Although the server works great for me, controlling the Squeezeboxes the way Logitech has implemented until now it is a dead end street I think. Although the iPhone App is quite ok, but not half as good as iPeng.

And for sure there will be many old style users who say that all works perfect and can't be any better.

havoc1
2011-07-27, 05:05
Does moose or anything else work with Triode's Spotify plugin?

jezbo
2011-08-05, 06:34
I guess a "normal" looking Windows application doesn't exist yet after all these years, and I doubt there will be one during the time Squeezeserver will be alive.

Did you try muso again? Whatever your previous issue was it's either a configuration tweak, is fixed or is fixable: don't give up.

http://klarita.net/muso.html

Bert003
2011-08-06, 01:51
I will give Muso a try again.

But I think it should work out of the box without tweaking.

jezbo
2011-08-06, 02:44
Most apps have configuration options, in muso's case you have options to point it to your SBS database which may be on a different machine - it can't auto-detect everything.

Meatpuck
2011-08-07, 07:08
Does moose or anything else work with Triode's Spotify plugin?

Good question! I tried Moose and I can access Spotify through the "online radio / music services" like on the controller.
I can't find a way to make a search though so its not very useful...

Bert003
2011-08-15, 12:19
I installed Muso and it worked until I upgraded to SBS 7.6

I changed in the options screen to SQlite and put in the shared path to the database. But Muso doesn't scan my database so now it is empty.

If I press the button test SQlite connection, Muso crashes:

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.BadImageFormatException: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Data.SQLite, Version=1.0.66.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=db937bc2d44ff139' or one of its dependencies. An attempt was made to load a program with an incorrect format.
File name: 'System.Data.SQLite, Version=1.0.66.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=db937bc2d44ff139'
at MP3db.SqueezeCenterSQLite.TestConnection(String dbFolder, Boolean& connectionOK, Int16& schemaVersion, String& message)
at AlbumBrowser.Options.btnLite_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventAr gs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.W ndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

WRN: Assembly binding logging is turned OFF.
To enable assembly bind failure logging, set the registry value [HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Fusion!EnableLog] (DWORD) to 1.
Note: There is some performance penalty associated with assembly bind failure logging.
To turn this feature off, remove the registry value [HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Fusion!EnableLog].



************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0

jezbo
2011-08-26, 14:51
I installed Muso and it worked until I upgraded to SBS 7.6

I changed in the options screen to SQlite and put in the shared path to the database. But Muso doesn't scan my database so now it is empty.

If I press the button test SQlite connection, Muso crashes:



Muso 1.3.25 uses a new SQLite connector component and works with the latest SBS 7.6.1 build.

sachadog
2011-08-29, 03:22
Hello Bert003,
I use Muso on a Windows Home Server and I have no trouble with it at all. Far from it in fact!
By installing it on the W.H.S. any computer on my home network can use it's functionality and control the squeezebox players.
I don't get stuttering problems and of course you get the extra information on screen, with variable searches.
You should stick with it, as it complements Squeezebox Server well.

Bert003
2011-09-01, 13:27
I don't know but after updating to 7.6.0 it didn't work anymore.

But in the few days I tested it I could see the player and playlist were too simple for me. It looks a bit like the player and playlist were last minute addons. Does not reflect the whole interface of the Muso, which is beautiful.

But I am looking for a program with better playlist management.

Wirrunna
2011-09-01, 23:23
Bert003, Off topic, but have you tried Music IP yet?
I use it to create playlists and also with Spicefly SugarCube for continuous play.
Some reading:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89962
http://spicefly.com/

Bert003
2011-09-02, 01:02
No I didn't try Music IP yet. Looking at the website I see I did use their tagger, Picard, which worked very nice for me.

I will give it a try, but I guess it needs some study.

aubuti
2011-09-02, 03:51
No I didn't try Music IP yet. Looking at the website I see I did use their tagger, Picard, which worked very nice for me.

I will give it a try, but I guess it needs some study.
Picard is MusicBrainz, not MusicIP. MusicIP and MusicBrainz are not at all the same thing.

Bert003
2011-09-02, 04:01
Ok, thanks. I did a quick search at google and the first hit pointed me to Musicbrainz.

AndrewFG
2011-09-05, 08:22
I tried Foobar with an UPNP plugin and I use Whitebear server. But the problem was that browsing was too slow for me. Each time I go into Artist or Album I had to wait some time until artists or albums showed up. So I quit with that.

And I used more UPNP programs but they all have the same problem. Too much waiting time. I still would like to have a fast program which caches the database like iPeng and Moose do.If you have Windows 7 you can use Windows Media Player (WMP12) on the client with Whitebear on the server. WMP downloads the database from Whitebear and caches it locally.

J. River Media Center is another client application that works similarly with Whitebear (i.e. it downloads the databasae from Whitebear and caches it locally).