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jeffwdc
2011-02-08, 11:40
Hello All,
I have a Squeezbox Duet and have been exploring different Internet Radio and Music Streaming Services (Last.fm, Slacker, Pandora) for many months. I cannot find a service that has Squeezbox support and streams at 256Kb or higher. Heck, I'd even consider 192Kb. In fact, very few services stream greater than 128Kb regardless of Squeezebox support. MOG looks interesting because they stream at 320Kb and they have over 10 million tracks in their catalog for $5 per month. But, MOG doesn't support Squeezebox.

Does anyone know a service comparable to MOG and can be played via Squeezebox? I'd be happy to pay a monthly fee to get the high bitrate.

Or, does anyone know how to get MOG to play through Squeezebox (without official App support)? For me, music control via the Squeezebox remote control is essential. Thanks.

aubuti
2011-02-08, 12:22
It would be good to know where you are located, as no services are available in all countries. Overall, other than a few internet radio stations, very few services stream at 256kbps or higher. Maybe Spotify?

erland
2011-02-08, 12:47
very few services stream at 256kbps or higher. Maybe Spotify?

Yes, I believe Spotify is 320kbps

HectorHughMunro
2011-02-08, 14:46
Linn Radio is 320k. The BBC Radio 3 live stream from Iplayer is 320k.

garym
2011-02-08, 15:13
Linn Radio is 320k. The BBC Radio 3 live stream from Iplayer is 320k.

radio paradise has a nice 192kbs stream. The Linn jazz at 320 can be quite nice!

toby10
2011-02-08, 15:18
Well there are many high bitrate stations, but I think the OP wants a service, not just a stream.
ShoutCast App alone shows this many streams:
320k = 160
256k = 184
192k = 500

jhonsberger@msn.com
2011-02-08, 15:42
I believe MOG has put a public API out there so hopefully
there will be a MOG plugin soon

jeffwdc
2011-02-08, 18:02
Thanks for all the great suggestions. I'm in the US. Yes I prefer a service that keeps track of the tracks I like and dislike. Spotify looks good, but it's not available in the US. There are some hacks on getting it to work in the US. I haven't tried it yet. Also, the Spotify Squeezebox App isn't available here. Has anyone in the US been able to get this App?

In another post on this forum http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80867&highlight=mog, a Squeezebox plugin called WAV will take any music playing on a PC and stream it to the Squeezebox. If I can't get a Spotify App, then perhaps I'll use the WAV plugin to access it or MOG. I guess the Squeezebox Controller won't be useful with this scenario. I'll have to use my laptop to vote on tracks, skip, etc.

virgiliomi
2011-02-09, 08:11
I thought Pandora's paid service offered 192k streams... or is that only through their website?

A few people posted in Slacker's support forums recently asking for higher bitrate streaming for their web player and home devices... don't know if that will turn into anything though (probably not anytime in the near future, given that they're still working on their on-demand stuff)...

aubuti
2011-02-09, 08:14
I thought Pandora's paid service offered 192k streams... or is that only through their website?
only through the Pandora website. Although the two companies have discussed it, apparently Pandora still hasn't provided Logitech with the API to enable playing the Pandora One (paid) 192k stream on SBs.

ghostrider
2011-02-09, 12:22
Rhapsody is 192K.

jeffwdc
2011-02-09, 15:42
After learning that MOG wasn't supported on SB, I resigned myself to
accepting 128K streams. The fidelity isn't great, but at least I
could build a personal catalog of music. I listened to Pandora,
Slacker, and Last.FM over several months. I settled on Last.FM
because they have a large catalog and I like their user interface.
But, yesterday Last.FM announced they will begin charging $3 per
month for SB and will not increasing the bitrate. I thought, if
I have to pay, I might as well get a better bitrate.


Goals
1) Internet radio & music discovery service that allows songs to be
liked or disliked. Creates personal station that gets better as
more songs are voted on.
2) Get highest bitrate.
3) Get a large catalog of songs.
4) Allows multiple custom stations per user account (e.g. Jazz station,
Lite Rock station, etc.)
5) Would be nice to store a few hundred songs on MP3 player.
6) Not concerned about Smart Phone support.


This table from CNet is helpful, but I can't determine how current the
information is. http://www.cnet.com/1990-7899_1-6396943-1.html

Please see attched jpeg for a comparison table from Details Magazine.

At this link, a Rhapsody employee says it streams at only 128K.
http://forum.rhapsody.com/rhapsody/topics/streaming_bitrate_question_client_and_com?from_gsf n=true

Please see my table attached below the one from Details magazine. It shows only the option for the highest quality stream on a SB. Last.FM is currently free, but will begin charging $3/Month for SB. Spotify is not available in the US.

I'm really attracted to MOG's 320K stream, large catalog, and they have a great user interface. It looks like I'll have to use my laptop as a controller and the SB WAV plugin to stream to the SB player. I got the WAV plugin working last night.

jhonsberger@msn.com
2011-02-09, 16:27
maybe if Logitech wants to sell more radios,they will come to some type of agreement with MOG to develop native software.

I know Andy certainly has the skill set to do this.

ghostrider
2011-02-09, 17:24
Maybe Andy can clarify exactly what bitrates and codecs we get from the various services. SBS indicates that Rhapsody streams at 192K.

aubuti
2011-02-09, 19:49
Andy has previously confirmed (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68422) that Rhapsody is 192k MP3

ghostrider
2011-02-10, 07:19
Andy has previously confirmed (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68422) that Rhapsody is 192k MP3

Great! Thanks aubuti. We should have a sticky with the current streaming info for all the various services.

dbinder101
2011-02-12, 21:50
Another plug for Radio Paradise - I listen to their AAC+ stream and the quality is excellent...and they play terrific eclectic music to boot.

jeffwdc
2011-02-25, 08:03
I'm pleased to report the WAV PlugIn works great for streaming audio from my PC to my SB receiver. Many thanks to Joe Bryan wrote the original plugin.

I've used the MOG music service a lot over the past two weeks. They really do stream at a high bitrate. It sounds like 80% of the tracks are at 320. The rest stream at a lower bitrate, but sound better than any other service. The user interface is the best of the five services I've used. It is easy to find music and save it to favorites or playlists.

I have not utilized the MOG automatic music suggestion feature very much yet. So far, it has not done a great job, but I may not be using it properly. For me, the old Yahoo Music (closed Feb 2009) and the current Slacker services provide the best automatic music suggestion. They suggest new tracks based on TRACKS already liked. MOG bases its suggestions on ARTISTS already liked.

On the other hand, the MOG user interface helps me discover lots of new music. For a given, artist, album, or track the web page shows: similar tracks, artists, and other users' playlists containing the same music. All tracks can be played on demand with pause, fast forward, repeat, etc. It is like having a mp3 player with nine million tracks. I don't know of any other service that comes close to this.

By the way, I have no financial interest in any of these companies.

jhonsberger@msn.com
2011-02-27, 18:58
I don't believe the wav plugin can be used with a Mac ,can it?

jeffwdc
2011-02-28, 08:39
I think the WAV plugin works only on a PC, but I'm not sure. Here is a thread that talks about the plugin.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80867&highlight=mog

Here is a Wiki that has lots of info on the plugin.
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/WaveInput_plugin

ksalno
2012-02-13, 06:42
Just as an update, MOG and Spotify are available on SB devices now. On my Transporter, Spotify took a little work to install but MOG has a native app that works quite nicely.

Goodbye Pandora ONE.

mike10100
2012-02-16, 11:49
I just switched from Rhapsody to MOG.
MOG allows user to stream in more than one place, previously, if I were to listen to Rhapsody at work, my squeezebox at home would stop playing. With MOG I can now stream in multiple places and use SqueezePlay to sync Totally with one of my other players. This also was prevented in Rhapsody.
MOG rocks and streams at 320k too.
I heart MOG and squeezebox!

fuzzyT
2012-02-20, 14:11
Agreed. MOG is great.

Love it on the computer, love it on my iPhone, love it on Squeezeboxes.


On 2/16/12 1:49 PM, mike10100 wrote:

> I heart MOG and squeezebox!

brucegrr
2012-02-22, 19:23
Put me down for a positive MOG vote. 9.99, the price of one CD and it streams to multiple devices. We have been using it for several months on a Boom, Squeezebox Classic, iPad, and several computers. Hasn't dropped or failed one time.

garym
2012-02-23, 06:08
Put me down for a positive MOG vote. 9.99, the price of one CD and it streams to multiple devices. We have been using it for several months on a Boom, Squeezebox Classic, iPad, and several computers. Hasn't dropped or failed one time.

and I *think* it will work on the Squeezeboxes with only the $4.99 rate. Haven't tried because I wanted to use on both SB and my iphone and ipad (so I needed the $9.99). I too have been very happy with MOG after switching from Spotify.

Ikabob
2012-02-23, 07:21
I also like MOG. I'm not sure that the MOG selections are as extensive as Rhapsody though. Any opinions on that?

garym
2012-02-23, 08:11
I also like MOG. I'm not sure that the MOG selections are as extensive as Rhapsody though. Any opinions on that?

I've not yet tried Rhapsody. MeSue seemed to like it the best. I can say that I've never looked for something in MOG that I can't find, including relatively obscure artists. But I suppose it depends on taste. I'm a 60s/70s rock, blues, alternative country, folk sort of guy. Most new popular music, dance music, etc. I have little or no interest in.

ksalno
2012-02-24, 16:38
I also like MOG. I'm not sure that the MOG selections are as extensive as Rhapsody though. Any opinions on that?

I haven't used Rhapsody but both services advertise 14M tracks.

ksalno
2012-02-24, 16:40
and I *think* it will work on the Squeezeboxes with only the $4.99 rate. Haven't tried because I wanted to use on both SB and my iphone and ipad (so I needed the $9.99). I too have been very happy with MOG after switching from Spotify.

I can verify the MOG does work on SB at the 4.99 rate, as I have it loaded on my SB Transporter. Sound quality is much better than Pandora, as is the ease of use and getting only the music I want.