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MacFrugal
2011-01-18, 21:34
I was wondering if there will be any new Squeezebox products or updates coming out this year? Something like a Boom 2 with bigger speakers or a larger display?

Sike
2011-01-19, 03:42
CES has come and gone with no new products. Probably nothing will be coming out in the near future...

TheLastMan
2011-01-19, 04:02
I was wondering if there will be any new Squeezebox products or updates coming out this year? Something like a Boom 2 with bigger speakers or a larger display?

They always keep their roadmap very close to their chest until a product is almost ready for market. What we don't know is how successful the Squeezebox line is and whether Logitech consider it financially viable to extend the range further. It is a pretty "niche" product so that could be a major limiting factor.

The obvious move would be to extend the use of SqueezeOS (used in the Radio and Touch) across the range together with more powerful processors and DACs. This permits the use of the colour and touch screens as well as "native" support for a broader range of file types and at higher bit-rates which will reduce the need for the SqueezeBox Server to transcode and/or down-sample.

Obvious developments would be:

1. Boom v2 with Radio-like colour screen
2. Duet v2 with more capable Receiver with the processing power of the Touch and an improved Controller with a bigger screen.

I doubt they would want to make the Boom bigger, part of its attraction is its portability and big sound from a small device.

Longer shots would be:

3. A SqueezeBox badged "server" - a "headless" mini PC or NAS offering full support for the SB clients "out of the box". I have been hoping for this ever since I bought my Duet in 2008!
4. A high quality amplified, but speaker-less, player more in the line of the products supplied by Sonos, but with the Touch screen.

These last two would be a major departure from their current ethos which is to supply the simple network client hardware and let the open source and add-on community do the rest. Then again the Boom and Radio were a departure from this so who knows?

What do others think?

HeadBanger
2011-01-19, 05:52
An updated Duet would be the most likely but with people using Android and iPhone apps I can't see them developing the existing controller much. Perhaps they'll just update the screen to OLED with full 24 bit colour?

An updated Receiver with better processing power and 24/96 capabilities would be very welcome though.

mps
2011-01-19, 07:04
An updated Duet would be the most likely but with people using Android and iPhone apps I can't see them developing the existing controller much. Perhaps they'll just update the screen to OLED with full 24 bit colour?

An updated Receiver with better processing power and 24/96 capabilities would be very welcome though.
What I'd really like to see is for Logitech to subsume the Controller into a next-generation Harmony. I think this would be a great product for them.

1. Logitech has brand-equity in universal remotes. It's ridiculous to have to use one remote to optimally control your Receiver and another to control your stereo (or Logitech-powered speakers).
2. It could have a bigger screen for navigating the Squeezebox
3. Everyone still needs a universal remote with all the IR-controlled devices they have, so their is still a need for a Harmony-like product.
4. More and more consumer devices are controlled over the home LAN, so the great wifi-capability of the Squeezebox controller is almost a necessity for any Harmony successor
5. Having a headphone jack on the controller is of some utility for the Squeezebox, but it's great for other devices. For example, if you are streaming a movie in your bedroom TV/PC/Revue and your wife is trying to go to sleep, just plug a headphone into the controller, which has Squeezeplay to listen without disturbing her. Obviously the device would need to be able to send the audio over the network, but that doesn't seem impossible. This is a little different than watching the video on your iPhone.

Soulkeeper
2011-01-19, 07:18
3. Everyone still needs a universal remote with all the IR-controlled devices they have, so their is still a need for a Harmony-like product.

What the world needs is a cheap and simple SBC-like Harmony remote that connects to the WiFi only, and controls all IR equipment via one or more IR blasters that are also connected to the WiFi.

Then everything in the house can be controlled, integrated and automated from the Harmony and/or web and/or smartphones.

Well, at least that's what I need. B)

MacFrugal
2011-01-19, 08:15
Longer shots would be:

3. A SqueezeBox badged "server" - a "headless" mini PC or NAS offering full support for the SB clients "out of the box". I have been hoping for this ever since I bought my Duet in 2008!

Do you mean something like this NAS: "... available in March is D-Link’s DNS-325 model. This builds on the entry level design with a 1.2GHz processor, photo gallery and Logitech Squeezebox support as well as enhanced audio streaming. Again, the model is available diskless at $199.99 or 1TB at $259.99."
http://www.wegotserved.com/2011/01/05/dlink-debuts-sharecenter-nas-drives/

asdti
2011-01-19, 08:58
They always keep their roadmap very close to their chest until a product is almost ready for market. What we don't know is how successful the Squeezebox line is and whether Logitech consider it financially viable to extend the range further. It is a pretty "niche" product so that could be a major limiting factor.

Although I concur that we don't know profitability, we DO have hints at volume. We know that the European sales of SB radio were higher than Logi expected - to such a degree that the server architecture has suffered (various Logi staff posted regarding this over the last 12 months). Now I agree that volume sales doesn't necessarily equate to profitability, but an organisation of Logi's size will surely have a fix on the required margins...

I think the rage has further to go, yet. (Fingers crossed)

ModelCitizen
2011-01-19, 09:17
We know that the European sales of SB radio were higher than Logi expected - to such a degree that the server architecture has suffered (various Logi staff posted regarding this over the last 12 months).
Hmm. They produced the boxes that sold and so quantities were known in advance. Updating the server architecture and horsepower to match production should have been a comparatively quick and simple matter.

Having seen the way Logitech work I'm more inclined to put it down to the ineptitude of their management and the blinkered and short-sighted nature of their simple sales-driven organisation.

MC

mps
2011-01-19, 09:54
What the world needs is a cheap and simple SBC-like Harmony remote that connects to the WiFi only, and controls all IR equipment via one or more IR blasters that are also connected to the WiFi.

Then everything in the house can be controlled, integrated and automated from the Harmony and/or web and/or smartphones.

Well, at least that's what I need. B)
That is useful, but I think there is value to having one of the IR blasters in the remote. "Oh no, I can't control this TV because I moved it onto the porch to watch the game because I don't have an IR blaster on the porch" Somewhat silly example, but I think it will be common that people won't always have a fixed IR blaster wherever they have an IR controllable device.

eganders
2011-01-19, 22:31
They always keep their roadmap very close to their chest until a product is almost ready for market. What we don't know is how successful the Squeezebox line is and whether Logitech consider it financially viable to extend the range further. It is a pretty "niche" product so that could be a major limiting factor.

The obvious move would be to extend the use of SqueezeOS (used in the Radio and Touch) across the range together with more powerful processors and DACs. This permits the use of the colour and touch screens as well as "native" support for a broader range of file types and at higher bit-rates which will reduce the need for the SqueezeBox Server to transcode and/or down-sample.

Obvious developments would be:

1. Boom v2 with Radio-like colour screen
2. Duet v2 with more capable Receiver with the processing power of the Touch and an improved Controller with a bigger screen.

I doubt they would want to make the Boom bigger, part of its attraction is its portability and big sound from a small device.

Longer shots would be:

3. A SqueezeBox badged "server" - a "headless" mini PC or NAS offering full support for the SB clients "out of the box". I have been hoping for this ever since I bought my Duet in 2008!
4. A high quality amplified, but speaker-less, player more in the line of the products supplied by Sonos, but with the Touch screen.

These last two would be a major departure from their current ethos which is to supply the simple network client hardware and let the open source and add-on community do the rest. Then again the Boom and Radio were a departure from this so who knows?

What do others think?

I can definitely see #1 - only a matter of time. For #2, package an updated controller with a Touch - but they'd have to get the controller headphone setup working consistently. #3 and #4 seem a bit off target considering their past direction. How about a #5, as mentioned above I can see a market for a larger Boom. Certainly several other companies have gone that way. I think also #6 might be coming at some point - a Squeeze device integrated with their new Google TV device. All in one multimedia.

MacFrugal
2011-06-05, 06:53
Any news?

Metazargo
2011-10-19, 07:39
I simply wait for:

- A new version of the Radio with a touch screen like Touch.
- A new version of the Boom with a touch screen like Touch is nice to have.

Will not buy another Radio of the current series.

I have one Duet, but I'm fine to use Touch for such 'hidden' appliances. Still nice to have, a new version of a boxed player. A controller I don't need as I use iPeng from the iPhone. I hope that a future player will be configurable without being forced to buy a Controller only to initialize the player.


My personal wish for Radio:

- Temperature measurement In and Out
- Hygrometer In and Out

No need for a separate weather-station; one display less standing around.

;-)

cparker
2011-10-19, 10:19
I reckon something is on the cards. I've received a 40% off offer on one item from the Logitech store, apparently I've been specially selected, however I've received it to two different email accounts so cant be that special :(

HeadBanger
2011-10-20, 05:46
I reckon that they're only interested in getting customers to buy the Revue at the moment having spent much time & cash on its R&D.

Once LMS 7.7 is officially released I would think there will be some sort of relaunch that highlights all of the added functionality (for the Revue) that LMS brings. Once all that's out of the way then maybe they'll update the SB range.

Here's hoping anyway....

pablolie
2011-10-20, 12:28
I think the Squeezbox is under-marketed and misunderstood. I think it has the genuine potential to appeal to both the plug&play crowd with multicolor touch screens (UI needs to be dumbed down), and to us fiddlers.

I agree with those ho propose a Boom v2, which could become the most popular device if priced right and with UI improvements for the P&P crowd.

Equally, I think the next Touch simply needs a revised UI as does the server software, hiding a lot of the complexity and more plug and play. Then there should be an expert mode (with disclaimer) that allows us old school users to continue with our ways.

What I really miss in the SB range, personally, is an upmarket device in the $500-1000 range (between the aging Transporter and the Touch), something like the current Touch but with upgraded and latest gen electronics. Anyone else feel that way?

How about something that automatically FLACs any analog source that flows through its DA and sends it back to the server, and prompts you to name it from the UI? I still have analog material I have not converted because of the cumbersome factor... I can't think I am the only one.

Bery
2011-10-24, 04:04
I'd like to see a device similar to Touch ( 96/24 playback ) but with a display of SB3/Transporter!

+ Boom II with color touchscreen.

The analog part of Touch is quite good enough for most of consumers and you can always add a DAC of your taste. This is most flexible solution. Why spend money on an expensive Squeezebox i.e. Transporter?

kc5f
2011-10-24, 05:35
I'd settle for any new version of the Boom, whatever the screen. I'd have bought another, already, but I'm afraid of not being able to use it (or my other three SB devices) at all if Logitech dumps the line altogether and abandons the msb.com service. Not all of us use local servers...

garym
2011-10-24, 05:42
I think the Squeezbox is under-marketed and misunderstood. I think it has the genuine potential to appeal to both the plug&play crowd with multicolor touch screens (UI needs to be dumbed down), and to us fiddlers.

I couldn't agree more. Logitech has never seemed to be able to really explain simply how these things work, and seems to ignore the "system" aspect of things. They could learn a lot from SONOS on this point....

blackbear
2011-10-24, 07:29
I'd really love to see a new Transporter. None of the current squeezebox family members have displays that are readable from more than a few feet away, so one has to resort to controlling them using either the Controller or a smartphone/Ipad type device. I'd buy any new squeezebox with a display with similar text size and contrast to the old Classic and Transporter, especially if it kept the WordClock Input and/or added I2S-over-HDMI (PS Audio format) output as well as 24/192 support.