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Nick_G
2011-01-15, 10:37
I was wondering how many favourites you can add using mysqueezebox.com? On iTunes I have about 330 radio stations stored under about 3 playlists. Is it possible to store this many on the Squeezebox or would it slow the server down?

I'm not necessarily going to add as many as this but the list will probably grow over time and it's nice to know if you are approaching a limit.

Thanks,
Nick

toby10
2011-01-16, 03:51
I'm not aware of a limit of Favorites on MySB.com, but be aware that MySB.com Favorites is just one long list of individual Favorites, there are no folders to place them in.
The only organizational tasks on MySB Favorites is Add, Delete, and moving the individual Favorites up or down in the list (grab & move & drop).

)p(
2011-01-16, 03:57
I'm not aware of a limit of Favorites on MySB.com, but be aware that MySB.com Favorites is just one long list of individual Favorites, there are no folders to place them in.
The only organizational tasks on MySB Favorites is Add, Delete, and moving the individual Favorites up or down in the list (grab & move & drop).

You can upload a nested opml file with your favorites and add this to mysqueezebox.com. This way you can have folders.

toby10
2011-01-16, 04:56
You can upload a nested opml file with your favorites and add this to mysqueezebox.com. This way you can have folders.

Interesting. Are you certain it maintains the Folder structure on MySB?
If so, why can't MySB offer sub-Folders on it's own which has been an enhancement request for years?

Thanks.

garym
2011-01-16, 07:55
Interesting. Are you certain it maintains the Folder structure on MySB?
If so, why can't MySB offer sub-Folders on it's own which has been an enhancement request for years?

Thanks.

I'd be interested in more detail on this. I can download a file FROM mysb.com and use it on my local SbS, but I don't see anyway to UPLOAD a file TO mysb.com.

And yes, for certain one can have folder in Favorites on their local version of SbS.

toby10
2011-01-16, 08:40
I'd be interested in more detail on this. I can download a file FROM mysb.com and use it on my local SbS, but I don't see anyway to UPLOAD a file TO mysb.com.

And yes, for certain one can have folder in Favorites on their local version of SbS.

Yeah, same here, I can take the MySB OPML in to SBS, but not from SBS to MySB.
Yes, I use SBS Favorites folders regularly. The problem is having such Folders on MySB which I do not believe is supported, assuming we can upload OPML to MySB in the first place. ;)

)p(
2011-01-16, 12:17
I meant you upload it somewhere and then point in mysqueezebox to that files http address. It works with very large nested opml. This is one of mine you could try which is rather big:
http://www.i-modernist.com/favoritesonline3.opml

toby10
2011-01-16, 13:26
I meant you upload it somewhere and then point in mysqueezebox to that files http address. It works with very large nested opml. This is one of mine you could try which is rather big:
http://www.i-modernist.com/favoritesonline3.opml

We can get our Favorites on SBS and MySB into an OPML editor, that's not the problem.
The problem is:
1. How & where do we upload such an OPML file to my MySB.com
2. Assuming we can do #1, will MySB recognize Folders which are present in the OPML file to be uploaded

)p(
2011-01-16, 14:33
I dont understand you can put anything and nested in the opml that you put somewhere on the web. Like mine example above. You dont upload it to mysb you link to it there. On mysqueezebox.com choose add a favorite and then you just link to the url and give it a title.

garym
2011-01-16, 14:44
I dont understand you can put anything and nested in the opml that you put somewhere on the web. Like mine example above. You dont upload it to mysb you link to it there. On mysqueezebox.com choose add a favorite and then you just link to the url and give it a title.

Aha. Very cool. I went to mysqueezebox.com and pasted your web URL location into a FAVORITE URL, and gave it a name (Test Favorites). Saved this (got error message....file type not recognized). But then when I go to favorites on my TOUCH for example, I can choose that favorite (test favorites) and it does in fact have lots of nested folders. Works nicely. Only downside is that it requires that I have an accessible network location to SAVE my OPML file to be able to access it.

By the way, how did you create the OPML. Can you do this within SBS favorites and export that OPML file???

)p(
2011-01-16, 15:40
You can just copy your local favorites file and put it anywhere on the net. On windows its in c:\progamdata\squeezebox\prefs\favorites.opml

The above is auto-generated from lastfm/spotify data with a tool I made. But its just a textfile.

toby10
2011-01-17, 07:28
Ah, thank you! Boy, did I misunderstand that one. I thought you were uploading an OPML file via MySB. I am not the most tech savvy.
So, somehow, I need to find a place on the internet to "host" this OPML file which MySB > Favorites sees as a simple Favorite listed item.

I'd love to play with this, any ideas on a simple way and place to host such a file?

Having Folders via MySB has long been a feature request.
If you could come up with a basic tutorial on how best (and easiest way) to accomplish this feature I think it would be quite popular. ;)

bpa
2011-01-17, 07:41
I'd love to play with this, any ideas on a simple way and place to host such a file?
Many ISPs as part of broadband service offer some free webspace or backup space which can be used. All you need is somewhere that can server the OPML file using HTTP. The OPML files are usually v. small compared to web pages so space limitation usually doesn't matter.

toby10
2011-01-17, 08:08
Many ISPs as part of broadband service offer some free webspace or backup space which can be used. All you need is somewhere that can server the OPML file using HTTP. The OPML files are usually v. small compared to web pages so space limitation usually doesn't matter.

Thanks bpa. I think my ISP offers a "personal web page" as part of their service so I might just activate that now.
I wonder if, someday, MySB could have an App like "Advanced MySB Favorites" where we could upload such small OPML text files for such use.
We could manage these Favorites via a separate menu item on SBS (like "Favorites on MySB" is currently a separate menu item within SBS > Favorites), then simply upload this separate OPML file through such an App. Being such small text files it probably would not stress out MySB.com very much, would it? Or would "hosting" such a file, times thousands of users accessing these files, cause MySB server issues?

toby10
2011-01-17, 08:51
Well that went nowhere. My ISP does not have any way of "hosting" a file on my personal web page.
Any ideas for a simple (and easy to understand) file hosting mechanism?

)p(
2011-01-17, 08:59
If you could come up with a basic tutorial on how best (and easiest way) to accomplish this feature I think it would be quite popular. ;)

I think you can use opml playlist browser editor plugin to do that. Just start with an empty file.

If you want to do it by hand. There is info about the format in the wiki here:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/OPMLSupport

To make folders just nest the outline elements:


<outline text="my main folder">
<outline text="my sub folder">
<outline text="Classical | WGBH Classical - Boston, MA" URL="http://streams.wgbh.org/classical.pls" type="audio" />
</outline>
</outline>

garym
2011-01-17, 09:03
I had never even noticed that I had a small free "personal" web space with my COX internet service. Doesn't allow too much space, but way more than I need for opml files. I activated it, and using the webpage management page at cox.net, I uploaded an opml file, with folder, etc. from my local SbS.

First I'm thinking, cool... I can have folders when accessing from mysb.com (which I do use currently from one location). But then I'm thinking, nice, I can give the URL to my friends and family that are using SB products, and they can add it as a favorite and see stations that I think are interesting, organized by folder. And they'll even automatically have any changes I make to the favorites. And previously, I could send my brother my opml file to save as favorites, but that forced him to use my favorites instead of his. Now he can have all his own favorites AND have a menu item to see my favorites if he chooses to.

bpa
2011-01-17, 09:10
Well that went nowhere. My ISP does not have any way of "hosting" a file on my personal web page.
Any ideas for a simple (and easy to understand) file hosting mechanism?
What use is a personal web page if you can't do anything with it ?
Are you sure you cannot up load a HTML file ?
If there is only one html page that can be edited - put your OPML in it.

Alternatively - there are many free web space site which will give a small amount of space for free to hold files but delete them if not downloaded after xx (e.g. 5) days.

toby10
2011-01-17, 09:17
Ok, I uploaded my current SBS Favorites OPML file (though very outdated as I've been using MySB more) to MediaFire.
Placed the link URL into MySB Favorites, gives me the error "incorrect http type", saved it anyway.
But all I get is "failed to parse" error when I select that Favorite.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/polx4xoxk4uc98z/favorites.opml

Ideas? I'm likely doing something incorrect (there's a shocker).

Thanks.

garym
2011-01-17, 09:28
Ok, I uploaded my current SBS Favorites OPML file (though very outdated as I've been using MySB more) to MediaFire.
Placed the link URL into MySB Favorites, gives me the error "incorrect http type", saved it anyway.
But all I get is "failed to parse" error when I select that Favorite.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/polx4xoxk4uc98z/favorites.opml

Ideas? I'm likely doing something incorrect (there's a shocker).

Thanks.

hmmm, when I try to link to your file, I get to the media fire site where I can download the file (but it is not a direct link). Looking at that page I see stuff that says the extra cost media fire pro allows "direct linking". So I think you have "hosted" the file there (and I can download it with a click), but it is not available as a "link".

bpa
2011-01-17, 09:47
To checlk whether the host is suitable - When you have created a link - if you click on the link in a browser you should see the OPML text.

You could use Google Code and just have a single file in your Project or perhaps add the opml file amongst a real project. Not sure if Google would like the number of download but it will serve to test usability for you.

toby10
2011-01-17, 09:50
Ah, thanks gary. Then I might have to have my web site guy add this feature onto my commercial web site somehow.

)p(
2011-01-17, 10:09
Ah, thanks gary. Then I might have to have my web site guy add this feature onto my commercial web site somehow.

I think you can do it with a free dropbox web account. upload the file to it. move it to your public folder. Right-click on the file and get the file url with "copy public link". Past that link into mysqueezebox.

toby10
2011-01-17, 10:14
Got it working using a different file sharing service with "hot linking" capabilities.
Thank you guys, bpa, gary, )p(

Nick_G
2011-01-20, 17:19
Wow, thanks for all the useful info guys!

I might try some of these tricks if my favourites start to get too big a list. It'd be nice to create folders directly on mysqueezebox though.

aubuti
2011-01-20, 18:14
It'd be nice to create folders directly on mysqueezebox though.
Well, you can vote for bug/enhancement request 8692 (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8692). It's been open for 2.5 years and I don't expect much to happen on it, but you never know.

toby10
2011-01-21, 04:55
It really does work nicely. I manage these station favorites on SBS then do the OPML upload to my online file share service.
But an FYI to others using this concept, there are some catches.

Issues using SBS to manage these:
1. SBS should have a separate MySB (or internet radio) OPML folder so it does not mix in music files with internet streams
2. SBS displays AAC streams which I cannot use on MySB with my older players, would be nice to filter out AAC streams on SBS as an option
3. SBS (or RadioTime via SBS) will sometimes not give accurate file type info, where it says the stream is MP3 (or no designation at all) when in fact it is an AAC stream

Issues uploading the OPML (not really the fault of MySB):
4. Every time I "update" my OPML file to my online file share I get a different URL to use
5. Now I must update MySB > Favorites with the new URL

#1 is why I'd love for SBS and MySB to "Sync" this shared and individual OPML file.
#4 & #5 are why I'd love for MySB to handle this (no URL changes)

aubuti
2011-01-21, 05:21
#4 & #5 seem to be an artifact of the particular file sharing service you're using. I don't think changing URLs would be an issue with ordinary web server space.

garym
2011-01-21, 05:25
#4 & #5 seem to be an artifact of the particular file sharing service you're using. I don't think changing URLs would be an issue with ordinary web server space.

correct, and to folks reading this, do double check what you get with your internet service. I had no idea that I had a small 20MB of webspace available with my Cox Cable account. Never needed/wanted it, but it has now come in handy with a place to host my OPML file.

toby10
2011-01-21, 15:42
I'm using MyDataNest.com

Recommendations for any simple to understand file sharing service that maintains the same URL for updated (replaced) OPML files are great appreciated. :)

aubuti
2011-01-22, 11:04
This is great. One of my wife's complaints about switching between SBS and mysb.com (when we let our server go into suspend state) is that the Favorites look different, because I have folders on SBS but not on mysb. I think my favorites.opml will soon be my _only_ Favorite on mysb.com.

When testing I noticed that the mysb.com web remote control doesn't seem to know how to handle the opml file in mysb Favorites. I almost never use the mysb remote control, so it's not a big deal, but I am curious if others are seeing the same thing.

toby10
2011-01-22, 14:01
Correct, Remote Control > Favorites cannot access the OPML file. I'm guessing for two reasons:
1. MySB web UI cannot understand folders nor OPML
2. the OPML file is a link to a file, it's not actually a "favorite" as MySB web UI would understand it