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gbruzzo
2011-01-10, 06:28
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1935824/logitech-spotify-music-players

browellm
2011-01-10, 06:44
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8250227/Spotify-comes-to-Logitech-Squeezebox.html

oivindi
2011-01-10, 06:51
Unfortunately, though, nothing useful is located at www.mysqueezebox.com/spotify ... at least nothing related to Spotify.

Did someone send off their press release a bit early?

sneeks
2011-01-10, 07:00
Unfortunately, though, nothing useful is located at www.mysqueezebox.com/spotify ... at least nothing related to Spotify.

Did someone send off their press release a bit early?

The app information is displayed when you follow that link.

http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss261/sneekylaw/spotify.jpg

oivindi
2011-01-10, 07:01
Nope, not for me ...

I am located in Norway.

oivindi
2011-01-10, 07:01
... and boom, there it was!

Strange, must've been a delay somewhere.

oivindi
2011-01-10, 07:03
Btw, it seems this will ONLY work on SB Touch and Radio.

So no way at all to make it work on the SB 3?

andyg
2011-01-10, 07:21
Hi guys, our official version is limited to Touch and Radio.

oivindi
2011-01-10, 07:35
That's a shame, was hoping you would be able to do what Wimp did, and be compatible with all/most SB devices.

andyg
2011-01-10, 07:36
Wimp does not use DRM, Spotify is closed-source and uses DRM... so that's the best we could do.

oivindi
2011-01-10, 07:37
I see - DRM makes things a bit more complicated.

hoggis
2011-01-10, 07:47
Hi,

I own a Transporter and a Duet bundle and I'm can't believe what I'm reading. This new app is designed to support two of the most inferior Squeezebox products ever released. I'm sorry but to me it sounds like a joke!!

Luckily we have some serious developers like Triode who are actually able to provide the customers with the services they want independent of Squeezebox version. Perhaps you at Logitech should hire him to handle Squeezebox -> Spotify development?

Thank you Triode for stepping up where Logitech fails.

o_cee
2011-01-10, 07:49
Hi guys, our official version is limited to Touch and Radio.

Forever, or only for the moment? Will it be possible to use a Radio for Spotify and stream to other non supported devices as well?

andyg
2011-01-10, 08:11
Triode's plugin is able to get away with things that Logitech as a large company cannot do... if you want ip3k support by all means use Triode's plugin. In fact we even made it so that the 2 versions will work at the same time.

NikolajC
2011-01-10, 08:54
Just curious. What's the main difference between spotify and rhapsody that makes rhapsody work on booms etc?

Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

andynormancx
2011-01-10, 09:17
Rhapsody appears to not require DRM.

havoc1
2011-01-10, 09:18
Bummer about SB3 support but great that Logitech have made this official. Nice one.

andyg
2011-01-10, 09:25
Just curious. What's the main difference between spotify and rhapsody that makes rhapsody work on booms etc?

Rhapsody is DRM but an older and simpler design. Also, they shared the source code with us, which Spotify doesn't do.

elziko
2011-01-10, 09:28
Will this official Spotify applet work with a free Spotify account or does it require a paid-for account?

Thanks!

andyg
2011-01-10, 09:32
It requires a premium account, as do all non-PC Spotify apps.

elziko
2011-01-10, 09:32
It requires a premium account, as do all non-PC Spotify apps.

OK, thanks for letting me know.

nicoleif
2011-01-10, 09:58
Is there another way of activating the spotify app than through either the Touch or the Radio? I am a premium spotify user and have both a Touch and a Radio but my problem is that http://www.mysqueezebox.com does show the new spotify app in App Gallery! I think it register that I live in Denmark and Spotify hasn't officially been launched here Denmark yet. I use a work-around to get spotify to work (note: this is NOT illegal acording to Danish law). Please help me, I want to try it?

Phil Leigh
2011-01-10, 10:57
Hi,

I own a Transporter and a Duet bundle and I'm can't believe what I'm reading. This new app is designed to support two of the most inferior Squeezebox products ever released. I'm sorry but to me it sounds like a joke!!



nothing inferior about the Touch compared to the Duet from an audio perspective.

bluegaspode
2011-01-10, 15:17
Wimp does not use DRM, Spotify is closed-source and uses DRM... so that's the best we could do.

Which is kind of funny (stupid?) of Spotify, because I guess they will lose all types of customers to WiMP because of that.
Looking into the sources I see that you have a private libspotify decoder for Spotify, so no playback support via SqueezePad as long as they don't publish an official ARM-based libspotify build (and me implementing that on top of the current decoders :( )

What is the reason one should choose Spotify over WiMP?

Anyway: great to see development resources in the App sector :) (even though hidden until today on some private branches)

andyg
2011-01-10, 15:26
Which is kind of funny (stupid?) [...]

Yep, you just described the music industry quite well. ;)

pfarrell
2011-01-10, 15:55
On 01/10/2011 05:26 PM, andyg wrote:
> bluegaspode;601493 Wrote:
>> Which is kind of funny (stupid?) [...]
>
> Yep, you just described the music industry quite well. ;)

Agree, with the small notice that the "music industry" is not interested
in singers, musicians, composers, grips or recording engineers.

The record labels are interested only in getting money for their product.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

pippin
2011-01-10, 16:09
The record labels are interested only in getting money for their product.


Then why on earth don't they just do this and instead chose to shoot into their own feet?

slayne40
2011-01-11, 02:04
Hello,

Spotify offers three types of account.
Two of them are paying, and I do not understand why a premium account is necessary.
Why an Unlimited account is not enough ?

Why the mobile support is needed to listen music on a squeezebox ?

The Linux version of Spotify client support Premium and Unlimited account

Squeezebox not use the same API ?

Thanks.

pippin
2011-01-11, 02:44
Ask Spotify, I would say..

HectorHughMunro
2011-01-11, 06:02
Hello,

Spotify offers three types of account.
Two of them are paying, and I do not understand why a premium account is necessary.
Why an Unlimited account is not enough ?

Why the mobile support is needed to listen music on a squeezebox ?

The Linux version of Spotify client support Premium and Unlimited account

Squeezebox not use the same API ?

Thanks.

Because they want you to pay money. The free PC version is to get you to use it and then the added services are there to get you to upgrade. Someone needs to make money for this (wonderful) service to continue.

Yes, it must be technically possible but it's not in their interests, particularly with record companies anxious about the Freemium model, they want to convert as many as possible.

Scidd0w
2011-01-11, 06:07
Yes without paying customers they can't pay the record labels and without payment they do not allow the usage of 'their' music.

pippin
2011-01-11, 07:15
The question wah why it's not available on the (also paid) unlimited account.
Answer is probably that this is exactly what they want the additional money for the premium account for.

gbruzzo
2011-01-11, 11:56
Hi,

I own a Transporter and a Duet bundle and I'm can't believe what I'm reading. This new app is designed to support two of the most inferior Squeezebox products ever released. I'm sorry but to me it sounds like a joke!!

Luckily we have some serious developers like Triode who are actually able to provide the customers with the services they want independent of Squeezebox version. Perhaps you at Logitech should hire him to handle Squeezebox -> Spotify development?

Thank you Triode for stepping up where Logitech fails.

Agreed. Hmpffffffff

gbruzzo
2011-01-11, 11:57
Hello,

Spotify offers three types of account.
Two of them are paying, and I do not understand why a premium account is necessary.
Why an Unlimited account is not enough ?

Why the mobile support is needed to listen music on a squeezebox ?

The Linux version of Spotify client support Premium and Unlimited account

Squeezebox not use the same API ?

Thanks.

As an independent record company owner I find your questions about why one should pay for to benefit from the streaming service a little bizzare, forgive me. Not that Spotify pays us very much, mind you.

gbruzzo
2011-01-11, 12:01
On 01/10/2011 05:26 PM, andyg wrote:
> bluegaspode;601493 Wrote:
>> Which is kind of funny (stupid?) [...]
>
> Yep, you just described the music industry quite well. ;)

Agree, with the small notice that the "music industry" is not interested
in singers, musicians, composers, grips or recording engineers.

The record labels are interested only in getting money for their product.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

Not all record labels, mind you. I find such sweeping generalisations disingenuous to say the least.

pfarrell
2011-01-11, 12:12
On 01/11/2011 02:01 PM, gbruzzo wrote:
> pfarrell;601512 Wrote:
>>> Yep, you just described the music industry quite well. ;)
>>
>> Agree, with the small notice that the "music industry" is not
>> interested in singers, musicians, composers, grips or recording engineers.
>>
>> The record labels are interested only in getting money for their
>> product.
>
> Not all record labels, mind you. I find such sweeping generalisations
> disingenuous to say the least.

OK, I'll grant you that some small, independent record labels are not
evil to the heart of their soul like the big ones. And I can't keep up
with the mergers, I don't know if today there are the big four, or the
big five. But I do know that the handful of majors sell 98% or more of
all physical CDs and well over 90% of all music on iTunes.

I stand by my explicit generalization that the big labels (and the RIAA
which cares only about the big labels) care only about money, music be
damned.

Pat

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

andyg
2011-01-11, 12:19
Of course, I love small record labels! I was only talking about the big ones, the ones that control how companies like Spotify can operate.

pippin
2011-01-11, 16:31
I couldn't care less about record companies making money.
It's all the customer-unfriendly politics they are doing that annoys me to hell:
Why can't I take my service subscriptions to another country?
I don't buy DRM stuff that doesn't work on half of my equipment.
Why do I get different content in different countries?
And why do record companies and service providers try to regulate which devices I use to listen to their content.

Sorry, all of this has nothing to do with piracy, unwillingness to pay or anything. Its just corporate bullshit out of overstaffed strategy departments trying to sell stuff that isn't there.

I would be willing to pay. At least as much as I paid for CDs back in the dark ages, probably even much more.
But nobody is willing to sell me the content to acceptable conditions anymore and the result is I only spend a fraction of what I spent before, I get less and less interested and in the end j spend money on live concerts instead (which have become both more frequent and much more expensive).
So in the end, somebody else is getting my money and eventually evolution will do it's thing.

erland
2011-01-11, 22:00
Sorry, all of this has nothing to do with piracy, unwillingness to pay or anything. Its just corporate bullshit out of overstaffed strategy departments trying to sell stuff that isn't there.

I would be willing to pay. At least as much as I paid for CDs back in the dark ages, probably even much more.

And you are not alone, I pretty much feel the exact same way, I'm ready to pay (under the right conditions) but no one wants to take my money...

I think there are two main types of piracy:
Type 1:
- People that just collect stuff, they would never pay for it and their goal is just to take backup of as large part of Internet as possible. They aren't interested in the stuff they download, they basically just want to increase the used space on their hard drive and tell their friends how many tracks/movies they have.

Type 2:
- People similar to you and me who are seriously interested in the music/movies but want to view it now and want to get it the easiest possible way. They don't want to wait 3 months for the record label to release it in their region, they don't want to wait 1 week for the distributor to ship a physical CD by standard mail, they want it now. They are prepared to pay for it but no one wants to take their money.

There are also people similar to you and me who have a lot of patience and is prepared to wait. They either do as you describe and focus on concerts instead of recordings, or they patiently waits for the official release on CD in their region and buys it. These people are the reason why the music/movie industry still survives.

The music/movie industry is currently too scared that there aren't enough people among type 2 who is ready to pay, so they don't dare to offer user friendly services which risk to increase piracy, they want to ensure that they are in full control of their product.

Another important factor to remember is the purpose of a record label and distributor:
- Finance the recording studio and recording for new talented artists who can't afford these costs themselves
- Do the advertising when the CD is released, since they want to optimize the advertising effect and cost they want to learn from one region of the world before they release it in the next.
- Ensure that the CD is distributed to a place where customers can get it
- Take their share of the income when the customer buys the product

Switching to a online streaming solution is a huge change for these companies and their dilemma is that:
- If they switch to a streaming/download solution, the advertising and distribution are going to be completely differently to what they are used to. I can understand if they are scared that someone else is going to offer this a better way and due to this prefer to do their best to force us to continue use their old fashion business models.
- If they don't switch a streaming/download solution, there is a risk other record labels do and they will just disappear because other record labels provides a better service for the talented artist to distribute his/her work to the people who is prepared to pay for it.

So I can understand why record labels and distributors are scared to change but I think they will also have to realize that if they don't change, the needs for their service are going to disappear anyway. They blame piracy but I think the real reason is that they haven't figured out a way to ensure to 100% that they are still going to get their share of the cake in a download/streaming solution. I think someone big just have to dare to take the first step, then everyone else is going to follow because they are scared to be left behind.

It's just frustrating that it takes so long time for them to take the first step.

I remember reading that Spotify solved this by offering some big labels stocks in the Spotify company, this way the record labels were sure that they would get some control and also get a share of the earnings if it became a success. It also didn't cost them much if the service failed, since they got the stocks really cheap or maybe even for free. When a few big labels had jumped on the wagon, the rest just followed because they didn't want to be left behind. Of course, there are still some labels/artists who haven't seen the possibilities and refuse to offer their music on Spotify.

pippin
2011-01-12, 01:54
I'm not 100% sure but my impression is that the time of fear is over but the dominant factor right now is overselling growth potentials.

Since iTunes they've seen digital distribution works.

I believe there are a lot of power point presentations out there that show how much more money you could make if you sell the same stuff 7 times instead of one time and that that is the way to go.

OK, customers don't do that kind of shot but that doesn't bother the power point presentation.

Services like Spotify help them because they spend a lot of money they get from VCs for early growth so you can draw nice charts about how well they grow and how much money they generate how much it will be if that continued the same way for 30 years. And especially if you are having 10 of them because you only give Spotify 5 countries, Napster two, WiMP another two and so on.

Unfortunately, after 5 years the VC money is through and they have to scale down on pushyness like it happend to Rhapsody, Napster, Pandora,... in the past but that doesn't matter because until then there will be the next cool growth engine with fresh money who's prospects you can print on your power point slides.

The piracy argument is and always has been just a straw man.

But then hey: This is not just record industries. Corporate business works this way all around us, doesn't it ;)

banananas
2011-01-12, 02:46
Triode's plugin is able to get away with things that Logitech as a large company cannot do... if you want ip3k support by all means use Triode's plugin. In fact we even made it so that the 2 versions will work at the same time.
As Triode's plugin works on Transporter, Boom and SB3...I will continue using Triode's solution with my players. But, will we be able to do that in the future too? Is the plugin still working (and available) next year and the year after that? I'm afraid that Transporter, for example, will drop in sale if there's no official soultion offered. I love the idea of streaming Spotify through squeezenetwork without even using a PC. Isn't there a way for Logitech to create a lite version of the plugin for the older players (with less memory inside?). I'm afraid that's tricky stuff for bigger companies but I really want my players to work with Spotify even in the future without having to swith the Transporter to some SB Touch...
Thanks for letting this forum be part of the upcoming releases

pippin
2011-01-12, 04:02
I'm afraid that Transporter, for example, will drop in sale if there's no official soultion offered.

Since it's obviously an end of life product anyway that will probably not give Logitech a headache.

banananas
2011-01-12, 04:26
Since it's obviously an end of life product anyway that will probably not give Logitech a headache.

...and a new Transporter with lots of memory and even a color screen will be released of course (am I wrong?)...but I still like the old school green screen. It has good readability even from many meters...it would be nice if the old Transporter coul be updated (more memory) or something.

pippin
2011-01-12, 04:58
The problem is that this very kind of display is a part that is no longer available.
There are almost no high quality VFDs being produced anymore.

banananas
2011-01-12, 05:06
The problem is that this very kind of display is a part that is no longer available.
There are almost no high quality VFDs being produced anymore.

Maybe so, but I can see that Arcam still uses similar types of displays in their Amps etc.

toby10
2011-01-12, 05:06
...and a new Transporter with lots of memory and even a color screen will be released of course (am I wrong?)...but I still like the old school green screen. It has good readability even from many meters...it would be nice if the old Transporter coul be updated (more memory) or something.

I doubt Logitech has any interest in high end audio devices like the Transporter.

pippin
2011-01-12, 05:11
Maybe so, but I can see that Arcam still uses similar types of displays in their Amps etc.

Maybe they have stock. Logitech is also still selling Transporters.

banananas
2011-01-12, 05:11
I doubt Logitech has any interest in high end audio devices like the Transporter.

Hope they do

TheLastMan
2011-01-12, 06:13
I doubt Logitech has any interest in high end audio devices like the Transporter.
Yes they do, its called the SqueezeBox Touch! OK, hardly "high end" but pretty good hi-fi. Anybody really serious about "high end" can team it up with a top notch DAC and get 99% (or more) of the audio quality available from the Transporter.

I think we will have to be happy with that as Logitech are not a high-end audio company. I think Andy and co must have accepted that SqueezeBox's future was as a mass market product if Logitech took over.

Already I think the Transporter is no longer a "current" model and they are simply using up their parts stock. Once they have used up all the parts they will stop making it and that will be that.

I am (probably vainly) hoping that they might do a "dumb" version of the Transporter - a sort of super-Receiver with all the high quality network and audio hardware/connectors but without the big box, buttons and VFDs. Most serious buyers would have either a Controller or iPeng anyway.

banananas
2011-01-12, 07:45
Yes they do, its called the SqueezeBox Touch! OK, hardly "high end" but pretty good hi-fi. Anybody really serious about "high end" can team it up with a top notch DAC and get 99% (or more) of the audio quality available from the Transporter.

I think we will have to be happy with that as Logitech are not a high-end audio company. I think Andy and co must have accepted that SqueezeBox's future was as a mass market product if Logitech took over.

Already I think the Transporter is no longer a "current" model and they are simply using up their parts stock. Once they have used up all the parts they will stop making it and that will be that.

I am (probably vainly) hoping that they might do a "dumb" version of the Transporter - a sort of super-Receiver with all the high quality network and audio hardware/connectors but without the big box, buttons and VFDs. Most serious buyers would have either a Controller or iPeng anyway.

Interesting thought,
However you could check these Naim high end networkers http://www.naimaudio.com/hifi-product-range/579 and http://www.naimaudio.com/hifi-product-type/577 these are serious "Transporter"-killers. They're maybe not worth the price but it would be nice after all to see a new Transporter in the news...beating up Naim and the others. But when it comes to Spotify, Naim's not there either ;-)

alfista
2011-01-12, 08:12
I'm afraid that Transporter, for example, will drop in sale if there's no official soultion offered.
I doubt listening to Spotify is much of a driver for selling Transporters. Very little overlap in customer segments I would expect.

Isn't there a way for Logitech to create a lite version of the plugin for the older players (with less memory inside?).
As the developers have explained, not unless Spotify remove the DRM malarky. In other words, don't hold your breath.

toby10
2011-01-12, 09:51
Yes they do, its called the SqueezeBox Touch! OK, hardly "high end" but pretty good hi-fi. Anybody really serious about "high end" can team it up with a top notch DAC and get 99% (or more) of the audio quality available from the Transporter.....

Completely agree. ;)
But a $300 Touch is a completely different animal than a $2k Transporter.
Logitech is mass market, not boutique.... and IMO they don't even do mass market well when it comes to SB players here in the US.
Go to any Best Buy store that is FILLED with Logitech branded items, ask for the SqueezeBox items, and all you get is a blank look on their faces.
*If* they find the players in the store at all (usually involves looking it up on their inventory computer) they will be in a different category / location in every store.
Sometimes they are with computers, sometimes with the iPod docks, sometimes in home theatre, sometimes with boom boxes....

onocentaur
2011-01-13, 03:51
Hi guys, our official version is limited to Touch and Radio.What about Squeezeplay?

TheLastMan
2011-01-13, 04:09
Completely agree. ;)
*If* they find the players in the store at all (usually involves looking it up on their inventory computer) they will be in a different category / location in every store.
Sometimes they are with computers, sometimes with the iPod docks, sometimes in home theatre, sometimes with boom boxes....
I know what you mean, it is the same here.

Having said that you can usually find the Radio. Because of its name it can usually be found among, wait for it, the section with all the radios in it. If you are lucky you can find the Boom there as well. However I have yet to find a Currys, Comet or PC World (Best Buy's UK equivalents) that stock's either the Touch or Duet (even though you can buy them on their web site), let alone the Transporter. They are products that most people simply do not understand.

When friends come round for dinner and see me using the Controller the usual comment is "how are you getting your iPod to play music through your hi-fi". Well at least it is a conversation starter :)

The UK has a bit of a head start over the US here as we have DAB digital radio. This gives us a hundred or so digital radio stations, but it is a power hungry and expensive technology so people are accustomed to paying around 100 for a radio you can only plug in - or with limited battery life. It also means the portable radio section of these stores is quite large - so the Radio fits in well.

I think internet radios are just beginning to reach the public conciousness, so I reckon the Radio will be most users introduction to the SqueezeBox line.

I have a friend who has just found, and become hooked on, Spotify. He now wants to liberate it from his laptop and headphones. He already has a good wireless router so I have recommended he try the Radio. Knowing him, I have little doubt he will own at least two before too long, and maybe even a Touch.

OppfinnarJocke
2011-01-13, 04:32
Hi guys, our official version is limited to Touch and Radio.

Are you people out of your minds!
I have no words...

simbo
2011-01-13, 05:01
QQ. What does Spotify have over Napster? Spotify=10pm, Napster=5pm?

Aside from it maybe working on Friday evenings. ;-)

TheLastMan
2011-01-13, 06:41
QQ. What does Spotify have over Napster? Spotify=10pm, Napster=5pm?

Aside from it maybe working on Friday evenings. ;-)

1. Dedicated iPhone, iPod Touch and Android applications that let you browse music and create playlists over a wi-fi or cellphone connection.

2. The ability to download playlists of tracks onto an iPhone, iPod Touch or Android phone and play the music off line. I am not sure if there is a limit to the number of tracks you can download. These are DRM protected tracks, so you can only listen to them on the one device - you cannot transfer or copy them. This makes the music totally portable for the car or where you do not have a cell-phone or wi-fi connection. This is the "Napster killer" feature in my book.

3. Tracks are encoded at 320 kbps (IIRC Napster is 192).

4. A Much more user-friendly web interface (I have not tried the SB app so cannot comment on that).

Er... thats it.

Napster gives you 5 included downloads for your 5. Spotify does not have that, but then again you can play music off-line anyway so the benefit is limited.

From a business point of view I cannot see this service as being sustainable in the long term (at least not at 10 per month). Somebody is going to go bust, either the record companies, record stores or Spotify.

Technically I think it might be possible for me to sync a 5,000 track playlist to a 65GB iPod Touch. At an average of, say, 50p a track that would otherwise cost 2,500. It would take nearly 21 years of subscriptions for Spotify to recoup that! Could somebody who uses this facility comment - if there is a limit to off-line listening then this problem does not arise.

TheLastMan
2011-01-13, 07:00
Are you people out of your minds!
I have no words...
It is a technical issue. They need SqueezeOS to program the DRM rights protection. SqueezeOS is only available on the Touch and Radio.

I know... I am in the same "Duet" boat as you! I even run my Server on a NAS so cannot even use Triode's plugin. Apparently they are porting the necessary libspotify application over to ARM based processors soon, so I am hopeful that Triode will be able to do a version of his plugin for ARM based NAS devices (such as my Synology). I live in hope!

At the moment I am limited to using DSBridge - but it is better than nothing.

TheLastMan
2011-01-13, 07:07
It requires a premium account, as do all non-PC Spotify apps.
Technical point Andy, if I have a Spotify Premium Account, can I use the SqueezeBox Spotify application at the same time as use Spotify on an Android phone? In particular will I be able to use download playists off-line at the same time as I am streaming music over your Spotify App?

kidstypike
2011-01-13, 07:13
Could somebody who uses this facility comment - if there is a limit to off-line listening then this problem does not arise.

Apparently it's 3,333 tracks!
http://www.spotify.com/uk/help/faq/offline-mode/offline-sync/

TheLastMan
2011-01-13, 07:27
Apparently it's 3,333 tracks!
http://www.spotify.com/uk/help/faq/offline-mode/offline-sync/
Thanks for the link. You need to read it again though, apparently it is 9,999!!
3,333 on three devices.

OppfinnarJocke
2011-01-13, 07:35
QQ. What does Spotify have over Napster? Spotify=10pm, Napster=5pm?

Aside from it maybe working on Friday evenings. ;-)

"Due to requirements from our content licensors, the Service is only available to residents of the United States." (from http://music.napster.com/info/terms.html)

TheLastMan
2011-01-13, 07:43
I have heard from AndyG on a couple of things I should share with this forum:


If I have a Spotify Premium Account, can I use the SqueezeBox Spotify application at the same time as use Spotify on an Android phone? In particular will I be able to use download playists off-line at the same time as I am streaming music over your Spotify App?

Andyg:
Offline may work, since it can't communicate to their server. But multiple streaming sessions from different clients is not allowed. You can stream multiple things using only Squeezeboxes though, as they make an exception for that.


Is there a limit to the number of SqueezeBox streams? In other words if I had 4 Radios and 2 Touches could I stream different tracks to each one on the same single 10 Premium account?

Andyg:
This should work. They might restrict if you tried to connect on the same account from different locations (IP addresses), not sure, but from the same household they are OK with it.

Back to me:
If true, this is a real bonus for those of us with many children. Something for a beta tester to try out it would seem.

kidstypike
2011-01-13, 07:51
Technical point Andy, if I have a Spotify Premium Account, can I use the SqueezeBox Spotify application at the same time as use Spotify on an Android phone? In particular will I be able to use download playists off-line at the same time as I am streaming music over your Spotify App?

I have an iTouch, so I'm not sure about an Android phone, but it should be similar.

I've just done this: streaming Spotify using the Spotify App on my SB touch, and playing downloaded Spotify playlists on my iTouch in offline mode.

The tracks are downloaded to your phone, and stored there, so if you play them offline, Spotify have no means of knowing this.

If I stream Spotify on my SB Touch, and start the Spotify app on my iTouch whilst it is online, then the streaming to my SB Touch stops and a warning informs me that "Spotify has been stopped because your account is being used elsewhere".

So, theoretically, you can download 3,333 tracks and play these offline, whilst streaming to your Touch/Radio.

TheLastMan
2011-01-13, 08:00
Interesting thought,
However you could check these Naim high end networkers http://www.naimaudio.com/hifi-product-range/579 and http://www.naimaudio.com/hifi-product-type/577 these are serious "Transporter"-killers. They're maybe not worth the price but it would be nice after all to see a new Transporter in the news...beating up Naim and the others. But when it comes to Spotify, Naim's not there either ;-)
The thing about Naim is that they offer many complete high-end systems at multiple price levels. They build CD players, streamers, integrated amps, pre-amps, power amps, one-box systems, speakers, specialised power supplies, dedicated interconnects etc etc.

With just a single high-end product, the Transporter, Logitech cannot hope to compete in the same market.

A good market opportunity for Logitech would be to licence their hardware / firmware for inclusion in a high-end system such as Naim. This would not conflict with the Logitech products as the two don't overlap at any price point. A Transporter replacement built by Naim would be awesome! And probably four times the price ;)

jaaen
2011-01-13, 12:17
Technical point Andy, if I have a Spotify Premium Account, can I use the SqueezeBox Spotify application at the same time as use Spotify on an Android phone? In particular will I be able to use download playists off-line at the same time as I am streaming music over your Spotify App?

Hi,

I am using a Spotify client on my Nokia E72, my wife on a Nokia N8 and I am running Triode's client on Squeezebox at home. However, only one of them can run at a time. So, if I am playing music using Spotify on Squeezebox - and then start the client on the phone - then the music simply stops on Squeezebox. And the same the other way around.

Nice thing though is that if I sync the Squeezebox players in the house, I have 2 Duets and one Radio, then they can all play Spotify at the same time.

magnus
2011-01-13, 15:52
Before replacing my SB3 with a Touch to get Spotify support i would like to get a look at the Spotify app.
Has anyone seen any video demos?

Google could not find any. It would be awesome if someone using the beta could record a short clip or take some pictures of the UI.

Regards
/Magnus

kidstypike
2011-01-13, 16:20
Before replacing my SB3 with a Touch to get Spotify support i would like to get a look at the Spotify app.
Has anyone seen any video demos?

Google could not find any. It would be awesome if someone using the beta could record a short clip or take some pictures of the UI.

Regards
/Magnus

A few screen grabs from Squeezeplay, which emulates the SB Touch

kidstypike
2011-01-13, 16:27
And some more ...

sneeks
2011-01-16, 14:32
I had considered switching from Napster to Spotify but having now browsed the Spotify database using my free account I was saddened to see that several tracks I would listen to are only available for purchase and not streaming. On Napster all of these are available.

simbo
2011-01-16, 15:30
I had considered switching from Napster to Spotify but having now browsed the Spotify database using my free account I was saddened to see that several tracks I would listen to are only available for purchase and not streaming. On Napster all of these are available.
That's a good point. I wonder how the libraries compare. I know it's not always about the number of tracks they have on offer (15 different DJ remixes of Lady Gaga don't count as 15 tracks IMO ;-)