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Chris Saunders
2004-09-07, 12:16
While, I guess that makes it better for us and Slim Devices if they get
locked into a second class license with apple. =)

ChriS

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of kdf
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:58 PM
To: Slim Devices Discussion
Subject: [slim] I may have a Graphic Squeezebox for sale

Quoting Chris Saunders <chriss (AT) kingston (DOT) net>:

> I don't like Roku or their products (looks aren't everything); but this is
> from there FAQ pages:
>
> There are many music players out there, what's different about yours?
> SoundBridge is the only music player that allows seamless playback of your
> iTunes music library - Roku is the only company with a license from Apple
to
> use iTunes as a built-in music server. No need to install any software -
> just plug and play!
>
> Only Roku SoundBridge includes:
>
> Direct, licensed iTunes integration
> A large bitmapped display
> Tubular industrial design
> Music visualizers
> AAC decode in the player

which then leads to this:
http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/faq.php#musicformats

DRM is not possible, and Apple Lossless, FLAC, Ogg and WMA all require using
slimserver.

There seems to be nothing claiming that it can be 'controlled' by iTunes.
Reading a bit more, it seems to use the sharing features, thus why it
requires
iTunes 4.0 or higher. If you are a big fan of AAC, then perhaps its a
consideration. I can't see how it would een be on the radar for any other
situation, personally. As has been mentioned here before, visualisers are
nifty eye candy but hardly something that can carry a product.

That said, what I have seen of the very preliminary vis stuff (that isn't
the
big priority right now) is good eye candy :) Server-side FLAC would pretty
much make Squeezebox an undeniable killer product. Currently, some seem to
feel that's up for dispute, which is fine.

Frankly, I wonder about the wisdom of licensing with apple, leaving yourself
dependant on iTunes as a server, but forever being locked into a
second-class
state because you can't support ITMS tracks.

-kdf

kdf
2004-09-07, 12:45
I've always been a big fan of competition. With this licensing, apple can
simply turn off the switch or squeeze more money at will. Lesser and larger
media powerhouses really isn't going to benefit anyone but the top brass of
these respective powerhouses.

To my mind, Roku's current device doesn't compare with Squeezebox and
Slimserver. It can, however, still compete. The link with itunes may appeal
to some users who want the 'simplicity' of following the iTunes management and
playback model so exactly. This leaves more freedom for Slim from any pressure
in responding to the 'why wont slimserver work like iTunes?' crowd. There are
6 billion people on this planet. Granted 5.5 billion are still in poverty, but
that still leaves 500 million people who might want to be dumping their old CD
players. If Slim captures even 1% of that, I expect the gang are set for life.

-kdf

Quoting Chris Saunders <chriss (AT) kingston (DOT) net>:

> While, I guess that makes it better for us and Slim Devices if they get
> locked into a second class license with apple. =)
>
> ChriS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of kdf
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:58 PM
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: [slim] I may have a Graphic Squeezebox for sale
>
> Quoting Chris Saunders <chriss (AT) kingston (DOT) net>:
>
> > I don't like Roku or their products (looks aren't everything); but this is
> > from there FAQ pages:
> >
> > There are many music players out there, what's different about yours?
> > SoundBridge is the only music player that allows seamless playback of your
> > iTunes music library - Roku is the only company with a license from Apple
> to
> > use iTunes as a built-in music server. No need to install any software -
> > just plug and play!
> >
> > Only Roku SoundBridge includes:
> >
> > Direct, licensed iTunes integration
> > A large bitmapped display
> > Tubular industrial design
> > Music visualizers
> > AAC decode in the player
>
> which then leads to this:
> http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/faq.php#musicformats
>
> DRM is not possible, and Apple Lossless, FLAC, Ogg and WMA all require using
> slimserver.
>
> There seems to be nothing claiming that it can be 'controlled' by iTunes.
> Reading a bit more, it seems to use the sharing features, thus why it
> requires
> iTunes 4.0 or higher. If you are a big fan of AAC, then perhaps its a
> consideration. I can't see how it would een be on the radar for any other
> situation, personally. As has been mentioned here before, visualisers are
> nifty eye candy but hardly something that can carry a product.
>
> That said, what I have seen of the very preliminary vis stuff (that isn't
> the
> big priority right now) is good eye candy :) Server-side FLAC would pretty
> much make Squeezebox an undeniable killer product. Currently, some seem to
> feel that's up for dispute, which is fine.
>
> Frankly, I wonder about the wisdom of licensing with apple, leaving yourself
> dependant on iTunes as a server, but forever being locked into a
> second-class
> state because you can't support ITMS tracks.
>
> -kdf
>

Ken Anderson
2004-09-07, 13:31
I think the point most people are missing is that iTunes has to be
RUNNING to make it all work - to me, that seals Roku's fate.

On Sep 7, 2004, at 3:45 PM, kdf wrote:

> I've always been a big fan of competition. With this licensing, apple
> can
> simply turn off the switch or squeeze more money at will. Lesser and
> larger
> media powerhouses really isn't going to benefit anyone but the top
> brass of
> these respective powerhouses.
>
> To my mind, Roku's current device doesn't compare with Squeezebox and
> Slimserver. It can, however, still compete. The link with itunes may
> appeal
> to some users who want the 'simplicity' of following the iTunes
> management and
> playback model so exactly. This leaves more freedom for Slim from any
> pressure
> in responding to the 'why wont slimserver work like iTunes?' crowd.
> There are
> 6 billion people on this planet. Granted 5.5 billion are still in
> poverty, but
> that still leaves 500 million people who might want to be dumping
> their old CD
> players. If Slim captures even 1% of that, I expect the gang are set
> for life.
>
> -kdf
>
> Quoting Chris Saunders <chriss (AT) kingston (DOT) net>:
>
>> While, I guess that makes it better for us and Slim Devices if they
>> get
>> locked into a second class license with apple. =)
>>
>> ChriS
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of kdf
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:58 PM
>> To: Slim Devices Discussion
>> Subject: [slim] I may have a Graphic Squeezebox for sale
>>
>> Quoting Chris Saunders <chriss (AT) kingston (DOT) net>:
>>
>>> I don't like Roku or their products (looks aren't everything); but
>>> this is
>>> from there FAQ pages:
>>>
>>> There are many music players out there, what's different about yours?
>>> SoundBridge is the only music player that allows seamless playback
>>> of your
>>> iTunes music library - Roku is the only company with a license from
>>> Apple
>> to
>>> use iTunes as a built-in music server. No need to install any
>>> software -
>>> just plug and play!
>>>
>>> Only Roku SoundBridge includes:
>>>
>>> Direct, licensed iTunes integration
>>> A large bitmapped display
>>> Tubular industrial design
>>> Music visualizers
>>> AAC decode in the player
>>
>> which then leads to this:
>> http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/faq.php#musicformats
>>
>> DRM is not possible, and Apple Lossless, FLAC, Ogg and WMA all
>> require using
>> slimserver.
>>
>> There seems to be nothing claiming that it can be 'controlled' by
>> iTunes.
>> Reading a bit more, it seems to use the sharing features, thus why it
>> requires
>> iTunes 4.0 or higher. If you are a big fan of AAC, then perhaps its a
>> consideration. I can't see how it would een be on the radar for any
>> other
>> situation, personally. As has been mentioned here before,
>> visualisers are
>> nifty eye candy but hardly something that can carry a product.
>>
>> That said, what I have seen of the very preliminary vis stuff (that
>> isn't
>> the
>> big priority right now) is good eye candy :) Server-side FLAC would
>> pretty
>> much make Squeezebox an undeniable killer product. Currently, some
>> seem to
>> feel that's up for dispute, which is fine.
>>
>> Frankly, I wonder about the wisdom of licensing with apple, leaving
>> yourself
>> dependant on iTunes as a server, but forever being locked into a
>> second-class
>> state because you can't support ITMS tracks.
>>
>> -kdf
>>