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Chris Saunders
2004-09-07, 10:34
I don't like Roku or their products (looks aren't everything); but this is
from there FAQ pages:

There are many music players out there, what's different about yours?
SoundBridge is the only music player that allows seamless playback of your
iTunes music library - Roku is the only company with a license from Apple to
use iTunes as a built-in music server. No need to install any software -
just plug and play!

Only Roku SoundBridge includes:

Direct, licensed iTunes integration
A large bitmapped display
Tubular industrial design
Music visualizers
AAC decode in the player

Can be read here. http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/faq.php
That's a pretty bold statement. I doubt that it is true.

ChriS

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:39 PM
To: Slim Devices Discussion
Subject: [slim] I may have a Graphic Squeezebox for sale

I've only taken a cursory glance at it, but it seemed to give me the
impression
that is relie on the COM interface much the way that the iTunesUpdater
works.
This wouldn't require any formal relationship with Apple. I seem to
remember
at one point they had claimed a deal to be able to play itms songs.
However,
since then I have seen the notes saying DRM is not supported.

it didn't seem to me to be making any claims to be more than that, aside
from
clearly spinning it in the most positive way anyone could given the seeming
dependance on itunes.

-kdf

Quoting Jonathan Greene <atmasphere (AT) atmasphere (DOT) net>:

> aigh... Thunderbird ate that one...
>
> It seems to work when iTunes is ON the same way a computer would see and
> share ...
>
> Jonathan Greene wrote:
>
> > work to work when iTunes is ON the same way a computer would see and
> > share ...
> >
> > Ken wrote:
> >
> >> Sean,
> >>
> >> If this is indeed the case, then Roku is not simply being misleading,
> >> but is out and out lying in their advertisement of the M1000 and M2000
> >> units. Given their position with the reasonably successful HD1000
> >> product, it seems very risky for them to practice this level of
> >> deception. They may indeed be doing just that, but this type of fraud
> >> would spell disaster for the company if it were determined to be true.
> >>
> >> Are you certain that no relationship exists between Roku and Apple
> >> with respect to iTunes integration?
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >> Sean Adams wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Ken,
> >>>
> >>> Their marketing is very misleading. The reality is that only Apple's
> >>> airport express can be controlled from iTunes. It uses a proprietary
> >>> interface that they have not published to any third parties.
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 6, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Ken wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jim,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure that I share your feelings about using the remote with
> >>>> a main system (I do and find it quite convenient), but I agree with
> >>>> you about using iTunes to control the device. While the Slim guys
> >>>> did a very good job on the default web interface, its not really a
> >>>> replacement for the excellent iTunes music browser for basic music
> >>>> selection. I'd venture to say that this is *the* selling point of
> >>>> the Roku device, and I know several folks that have ordered it in
> >>>> lieu of a Squeezebox specifically because of the iTunes integration
> >>>> (in spite of my strong endorsement of the SB).
> >>>>
> >>>> In any case, I think you should hang on to the SB see if you get
> >>>> used to it in your house. I've found that with all it provides, its
> >>>> become fairly indispensable to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim McCall wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> I am enjoying following this list (and it is a fun way of avoiding
> >>>>> work...)
> >>>>> I am not sure that the squeezebox is the right thing for me. Right
> >>>>> now I am
> >>>>> in the hemming and hawing phase deciding whether I would put the
> >>>>> money into
> >>>>> an ipod and use that as my upstairs device. I probably ought to
> >>>>> sell the SB
> >>>>> and I would rather do it here than on ebay.
> >>>>> Why am I thinking it doesn't work? I would rather use itunes while
> >>>>> at my
> >>>>> computer, for one. For two, I just don't feel an affinity with
> >>>>> using the
> >>>>> remote and the squeezebox while in my living room.
> >>>>> Contact me if you wish. I have a squeezebox that I just installed
> >>>>> the new
> >>>>> graphic display. It is in impeccable condition.
> >>>>> I live in san francisco.
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>

Torgeir Veimo
2004-09-07, 10:55
On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 13:34 -0400, Chris Saunders wrote:
> I don't like Roku or their products (looks aren't everything); but
> this is
> from there FAQ pages:
>
> There are many music players out there, what's different about yours?
> SoundBridge is the only music player that allows seamless playback of
> your
> iTunes music library - Roku is the only company with a license from
> Apple to
> use iTunes as a built-in music server. No need to install any software
> -
> just plug and play!
>
> Only Roku SoundBridge includes:
>
> Direct, licensed iTunes integration
> A large bitmapped display
> Tubular industrial design
> Music visualizers
> AAC decode in the player
>
> Can be read here. http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/faq.php
> That's a pretty bold statement. I doubt that it is true.

None of this is rocket science. There are open source clients to itunes
around. I would say it is probably easier to go this route because they
don't have to worry anything about server development.

--
Torgeir Veimo <torgeir (AT) pobox (DOT) com>

kdf
2004-09-07, 10:57
Quoting Chris Saunders <chriss (AT) kingston (DOT) net>:

> I don't like Roku or their products (looks aren't everything); but this is
> from there FAQ pages:
>
> There are many music players out there, what's different about yours?
> SoundBridge is the only music player that allows seamless playback of your
> iTunes music library - Roku is the only company with a license from Apple to
> use iTunes as a built-in music server. No need to install any software -
> just plug and play!
>
> Only Roku SoundBridge includes:
>
> Direct, licensed iTunes integration
> A large bitmapped display
> Tubular industrial design
> Music visualizers
> AAC decode in the player

which then leads to this:
http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/faq.php#musicformats

DRM is not possible, and Apple Lossless, FLAC, Ogg and WMA all require using
slimserver.

There seems to be nothing claiming that it can be 'controlled' by iTunes.
Reading a bit more, it seems to use the sharing features, thus why it requires
iTunes 4.0 or higher. If you are a big fan of AAC, then perhaps its a
consideration. I can't see how it would een be on the radar for any other
situation, personally. As has been mentioned here before, visualisers are
nifty eye candy but hardly something that can carry a product.

That said, what I have seen of the very preliminary vis stuff (that isn't the
big priority right now) is good eye candy :) Server-side FLAC would pretty
much make Squeezebox an undeniable killer product. Currently, some seem to
feel that's up for dispute, which is fine.

Frankly, I wonder about the wisdom of licensing with apple, leaving yourself
dependant on iTunes as a server, but forever being locked into a second-class
state because you can't support ITMS tracks.

-kdf

Steve Baumgarten
2004-09-07, 12:29
>> Only Roku SoundBridge includes:
>>
>> Direct, licensed iTunes integration
>> [...]
>> AAC decode in the player
>
> which then leads to this:
> http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/faq.php#musicformats
>
> DRM is not possible, and Apple Lossless, FLAC, Ogg and WMA all require
> using slimserver.

That's incredibly deceptive! Advertising "licensed iTunes integration" and
AAC decode in the player -- but then it turns out that you can't listen to
your iTunes purchases any better on the Roku than you can on the SB. (Of
course Slimdevices never implies that you can.) That shades near fraud,
IMO.

So "licensed" maybe means they can include a copy of iTunes with the Roku,
and I guess they built something that allows you to control the Roku via
iTunes. (Though given how deceptive their advertising is, who knows what
they really mean or what you can really do.) And for all the rest of the
stuff you want to listen to, you need some other company's software which
may or may not work well with the Roku. So basically you need iTunes *and*
the Slimserver.

Yow. I wouldn't go near this company if you paid me. I like companies that
conduct business honestly, myself.

SBB

kdf
2004-09-07, 13:00
Quoting Steve Baumgarten <sbb (AT) panix (DOT) com>:

> >> Only Roku SoundBridge includes:
> >>
> >> Direct, licensed iTunes integration
> >> [...]
> >> AAC decode in the player
> >
> > which then leads to this:
> > http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/faq.php#musicformats
> >
> > DRM is not possible, and Apple Lossless, FLAC, Ogg and WMA all require
> > using slimserver.
>
> That's incredibly deceptive! Advertising "licensed iTunes integration" and
> AAC decode in the player -- but then it turns out that you can't listen to
> your iTunes purchases any better on the Roku than you can on the SB. (Of
> course Slimdevices never implies that you can.) That shades near fraud,
> IMO.
>

more like...must read the fine print.
I mean, does anyone really believe Listerine is as good as flossing???

-kdf