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tmauceri
2010-11-11, 15:51
I would like to set up a music server using SqueezeBox Touch and a powered USB hardrive (1TB x 2 RAID or a 2TB x 2 Raid). Please excuse my lack of proper terminology, I'm at the bottom of the learning curve as far as music servers go. I will output to my Denon AVR via digital connection. Everything will be hard wired. I will not be streaming. I read a review in Absolute Sound which stated this could be done. My questions are; #1 What is a good USB drive for this application? I have a very large CD collection that I would like to rip to FLAC. #2 The dBpoweramp software was recommended but do I need the CD Ripper and Music Converter or will the CD Ripper rip to FLAC? #3 How much storage space would a 45 min CD ripped to FLAC with no compression and with compression need? I'm sure there will be more questions, but these will get me moving. Thanks tmauceri

Kal Rubinson
2010-11-11, 16:01
I would like to set up a music server using SqueezeBox Touch and a powered USB hardrive (1TB x 2 RAID or a 2TB x 2 Raid). Please excuse my lack of proper terminology, I'm at the bottom of the learning curve as far as music servers go. I will output to my Denon AVR via digital connection. Everything will be hard wired. I will not be streaming. I read a review in Absolute Sound which stated this could be done. My questions are; #1 What is a good USB drive for this application? I have a very large CD collection that I would like to rip to FLAC. #2 The dBpoweramp software was recommended but do I need the CD Ripper and Music Converter or will the CD Ripper rip to FLAC? #3 How much storage space would a 45 min CD ripped to FLAC with no compression and with compression need? I'm sure there will be more questions, but these will get me moving. Thanks tmauceri

I think you will be disappointed using a large drive with the Touch. First, I doubt that the Touch will power such a large drive. Second, the local tiny SBS in the Touch will take forever to catalog the contents and it will be sluggish in accessing them.

Consider a computer or NAS.

rgro
2010-11-11, 16:13
I would like to set up a music server using SqueezeBox Touch and a powered USB hardrive (1TB x 2 RAID or a 2TB x 2 Raid). Please excuse my lack of proper terminology, I'm at the bottom of the learning curve as far as music servers go. I will output to my Denon AVR via digital connection. Everything will be hard wired. I will not be streaming. I read a review in Absolute Sound which stated this could be done. My questions are; #1 What is a good USB drive for this application? I have a very large CD collection that I would like to rip to FLAC. #2 The dBpoweramp software was recommended but do I need the CD Ripper and Music Converter or will the CD Ripper rip to FLAC? #3 How much storage space would a 45 min CD ripped to FLAC with no compression and with compression need? I'm sure there will be more questions, but these will get me moving. Thanks tmauceri

I think Kal's right. You also might want to consider the Vortexbox appliance, if you don't want to go the DIY server route or use your existing computer. I just received my VBA and set it up today----it's excellent. Plus, it'll automatically rip your CD's to flac and file them and comes pre-loaded with the Squeezebox Server software. They have several versions in terms of capacity---the smallest will store (according to them) 3000 CD's ripped to flac.

tmauceri
2010-11-11, 16:13
If I use a NAS can that be hardwired or will I need to stream. Does it require connection to a computer to work or will it talk directly to the SqeezeBox.

tmauceri
2010-11-11, 16:31
I think Kal's right. You also might want to consider the Vortexbox appliance, if you don't want to go the DIY server route or use your existing computer. I just received my VBA and set it up today----it's excellent. Plus, it'll automatically rip your CD's to flac and file them and comes pre-loaded with the Squeezebox Server software. They have several versions in terms of capacity---the smallest will store (according to them) 3000 CD's ripped to flac. Can you connect direct to the SqueezeBox via USB.

tcutting
2010-11-11, 19:23
The Squeezebox Touch has an internal music server which allows you to connect a USB disk to the touch and then stream from that.
You say you have a large collection, and the concern is that the server capability of the Touch is somewhat limited, and the performance with a "very large CD collection" may not be that great. That prompted the suggestions to run an external server. The Vortexbox Appliance is a pre-built Linux computer with the Squeezebox server software pre-installed, as well as pre-configured ripping engine. It also works like a NAS in that it sits on your network and is available as a file server.
Many NAS solutions are able to run Squeezeboxserver, but are rather underpowered for this application. A full-fledged computer setup as a file server generally works better. The Vortexbox is relatively low power consumption. The reviews of many users on this forum is very positive. I run a "DIY" server, but it has similar hardware to the Vortexbox, and it works excellent.
As far as storage requirements for FLAC files, I don't have actual numbers handy, but FLAC compression should be about 30-40%, so for a 45 minute CD that should result in about 400 Mbytes (if my math is correct). You say "compressed" vs. "uncompressed", but FLAC IS compressed. There are different compression levels available, but -5 compression is the normal and is suggested. The benefit with FLAC is it is LOSSLESS compression- that is, when uncompressed you end up with IDENTICAL information. That is not the case with MP3 for example, where there is some information loss involved in the compression.

808htfan
2010-11-11, 19:34
#2 The dBpoweramp software was recommended but do I need the CD Ripper and Music Converter or will the CD Ripper rip to FLAC?

I think they come together as part of dbpoweramp.

Also, their setup guide for ripping to flac http://www.dbpoweramp.com/cd-ripper-setup-guide.htm

:)

SuperQ
2010-11-11, 22:32
dbPoweramp is a fine FLAC ripper/encoder. The default FLAC settings will provide bit-perfect playback. You don't need to mess with them.

Based on my music collection I find that albums range between 200MB and 600MB. Here are some examples



195 Kraftwerk/Computer_World
203 The_Beatles/A_Hard_Day's_Night
204 The_Beatles/Help!
208 They_Might_Be_Giants/No!
369 Depeche_Mode/Sounds_of_the_Universe
433 VNV_Nation/Futureperfect
447 Psykosonik/Unlearn
497 The_Beatles/1
551 Icon_of_Coil/Uploaded_and_Remixed
554 Daft_Punk/Homework


There are some larger 2-disc albums that are about a gigabyte. Based on 66 albums the average is about 360MB. A 1T disk storage setup would allow for a couple thousand albums.

Ocean56
2010-11-12, 08:41
This is what I want to do when I get a Squeezebox...

1. Use an old PC to run the Squeezebox server.
2. Buy a large external HD to rip CDs to.
3. Also be able to stream Internet radio stations (I have wireless).
4. Play all of the above through my receiver.

Can I do that?

whoosh
2010-11-12, 08:48
This is what I want to do when I get a Squeezebox...

1. Use an old PC to run the Squeezebox server.
2. Buy a large external HD to rip CDs to.
3. Also be able to stream Internet radio stations (I have wireless).
4. Play all of the above through my receiver.

Can I do that?
Indeed, you can.

Ocean56
2010-11-12, 08:53
And I can connect directly to the AUX ports in my receiver with the Squeezebox? I don't need to connect to a DAC?

tmauceri
2010-11-12, 09:16
I think Kal's right. You also might want to consider the Vortexbox appliance, if you don't want to go the DIY server route or use your existing computer. I just received my VBA and set it up today----it's excellent. Plus, it'll automatically rip your CD's to flac and file them and comes pre-loaded with the Squeezebox Server software. They have several versions in terms of capacity---the smallest will store (according to them) 3000 CD's ripped to flac.

I believe the VBA is the way I want to go. I don't want to have another computer running etc. I am not interested in streaming to other areas of my home. The VBA and SqueezeBox will be in my equipment cabinet with all my other components including my wireless router. Can I connect the SB to the VBA via USB or will I have to stream? What type of display does the VBA have? Can I output the display to my plasma?

aubuti
2010-11-12, 09:35
And I can connect directly to the AUX ports in my receiver with the Squeezebox? I don't need to connect to a DAC?
Your choice. You can use the Squeezebox's analog outputs to connect to the Aux ports on your receiver. Or you can use the Squeezebox's digital outputs to connect to an external DAC, or a receiver/amp with digital inputs.

And you can actually do both at the same time, which can be useful for multi-room setups that only need a single source.

whoosh
2010-11-12, 09:40
And I can connect directly to the AUX ports in my receiver with the Squeezebox? I don't need to connect to a DAC?
Correct - use of an outboard DAC is optional. Depending on the model of Squeezebox you purchase and the detail of the system to which you mate it, you may be perfectly satisfied using the onboard analogue outputs into your pre-amp/receiver.

lrpm
2010-11-12, 09:45
In a different thread a kind person pointed me to a useful post on configuring the Touch to play from a USB hard disk:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82070

aubuti
2010-11-12, 09:45
I believe the VBA is the way I want to go. I don't want to have another computer running etc. I am not interested in streaming to other areas of my home. The VBA and SqueezeBox will be in my equipment cabinet with all my other components including my wireless router. Can I connect the SB to the VBA via USB or will I have to stream? What type of display does the VBA have? Can I output the display to my plasma?
First, do you realize that the VBA is "another computer"? It happens to be less power hungry than a lot of computers, but it's a computer nontheless.

The SB connects to the VBA through your router. If they are all in the same cabinet then it's best to use ethernet (wired) connections for router<-->VBA and router<-->SB.

The VBA has no display of its own. It has a VGA video output. I'm not sure of the specs on the video card, but I assume it is pretty basic. That is partly how they keep the power consumption down. My server uses the same basic hardware as a VBA, and when I need to attach a monitor my 19" LCD TV works fine with the VGA connection. But if your plasma is very big or you're looking for HD video, then VBA's video probably cannot deliver.

Also, if your Touch is in a cabinet, how do you plan to control it? There are good options that don't require physical access to the Touch (eg, iPhone, iPod Touch, Android phones, SB Controller, another pc). But just wanted to make sure you had thought of that.

tcutting
2010-11-12, 13:04
I am not interested in streaming to other areas of my home.

Yet... being able to stream audio to other areas is one of the real advantages of the network audio setup. With multiple squeezeboxes you will be able to get to your music in different locations. You can listen to different things, or synchronize and play the same stream in multiple areas. If you look at most of the regular poster's signature lines, you will see multiple squeezeboxes listed. Some have more squeezeboxes than rooms in their houses! I actually only have 4 (a SB3/Classic, a Boom, a Radio and a Duet) plus I run squeezeslave on my PC (which I'm listening to right now). These things tend to multiply, so be warned!

Mnyb
2010-11-12, 23:24
And even if you won't stream to other areas keeping the server away from the hifi is a good thing anyway, ethernet cable can be 100m long.

I've never used the VBA how quiet is it ? even if its fanless some harddrive whirring could be heard.

Having a PC in hifi rack eh .

I do stream to multiple players.
But i still connect my Touch with ethernet .

Another thing a wifi router the best placement for use with your laptop or phone or similar might not be the hifi rack .

When I get more ethernet ready stuff in my hifi rack I would simply place a switch there.
My hifi already suffers from the "to many boxes syndrom" :-/

Phil Leigh
2010-11-13, 00:32
The Touch (with or without attached disk) is a computer
A NAS is a computer.
A VBA is a computer.
A PC/MAC etc is a computer.

To choose between them, one should consider:

1) Cost of Purchase
2) Total Cost of Ownership (power consumption, upgrade costs, repair costs, lifespan etc)
3) expandability
4) form factor and aesthetics
5) location and mechanical noise/radiated heat
6) reliability
7) ease of use
8) functionality and performance

Everyone is going to score these criteria differently.

firedog
2010-11-13, 02:37
This is what I want to do when I get a Squeezebox...

1. Use an old PC to run the Squeezebox server.
2. Buy a large external HD to rip CDs to.
3. Also be able to stream Internet radio stations (I have wireless).
4. Play all of the above through my receiver.

Can I do that?

YES! One of the best things about setting up a dedicated music server PC is that you need very minimal hardware, so an old desktop or even a wimpy modern setup running Atom processors will work fine.

aubuti
2010-11-13, 06:47
I've never used the VBA how quiet is it ? even if its fanless some harddrive whirring could be heard.
Fyi, the VBA is not fanless. It's quiet, but you could never call it silent. If everything else is quiet you can hear a slight fan whirr as well as a slight HDD whirr, although with a quiet 2.5" laptop HDD you may not hear the HDD over the system fan. It's very quiet, but I would never put one in a listening room, or really any place where people spend any amount of time and it wouldn't be drowned out by other noise.

tmauceri
2010-11-13, 06:48
I would like to thank everyone for their responses. I believe at this point I am going the SB VBA route, but that may change in a flash. I've picked up a little knowledge, some pro's and con's. I have a better idea of what I need to make this work for me in my HiFi environment. Please keep posting, I'm still a newbie.

tmauceri
2010-11-27, 07:29
My wife ordered me up a Squeezbox Touch and a Vortexbox Appliance for Xmas. I have to wait, but any more words of wisdom would be appreciated.

Apesbrain
2010-11-27, 09:27
Good luck holding on until Christmas. In the meantime you may want to install SqueezePlay (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.6) (bottom of page) on your PC so you can get used to the Touch interface. Sign up for a MySqueezebox (http://www.mysqueezebox.com/index/Home) account and you can use SqueezePlay to listen to internet radio and other music services.

tmauceri
2010-11-28, 12:08
Good luck holding on until Christmas. In the meantime you may want to install SqueezePlay (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.6) (bottom of page) on your PC so you can get used to the Touch interface. Sign up for a MySqueezebox (http://www.mysqueezebox.com/index/Home) account and you can use SqueezePlay to listen to internet radio and other music services.

Thanks I didn't know about Sqeezeplay. I'll give it a shot.

tmauceri
2010-11-29, 12:44
Good luck holding on until Christmas. In the meantime you may want to install SqueezePlay (http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.6) (bottom of page) on your PC so you can get used to the Touch interface. Sign up for a MySqueezebox (http://www.mysqueezebox.com/index/Home) account and you can use SqueezePlay to listen to internet radio and other music services.

Downloaded Squeezeplay and can get radio without any problem. When I tried my music, with a USB stick, nothing. Is there a way for SP to recognize music files on the USB stick?

toby10
2010-11-29, 12:54
Downloaded Squeezeplay and can get radio without any problem. When I tried my music, with a USB stick, nothing. Is there a way for SP to recognize music files on the USB stick?

Install the full SBS server program on your computer.
http://mysqueezebox.com/download

Then point SBS to your music files, USB or anywhere else on your computer.
SBS > Settings > Basic Settings > Music Folder

tmauceri
2010-11-29, 13:58
Install the full SBS server program on your computer.
http://mysqueezebox.com/download

Then point SBS to your music files, USB or anywhere else on your computer.
SBS > Settings > Basic Settings > Music Folder
That did it. The SBS Server found my 500 GB USB drive I use for iTunes. It took about 9 min to load 7000+ songs. So is this how the touch will look and work when I finally get it? I will be using it with the VTB appliance.

toby10
2010-11-29, 15:25
That did it. The SBS Server found my 500 GB USB drive I use for iTunes. It took about 9 min to load 7000+ songs. So is this how the touch will look and work when I finally get it? I will be using it with the VTB appliance.

Yup. In fact, your SBS server is now setup. Just connect Touch to your network, point Touch to your server, you are done. Assuming you plan on using SBS server on your computer.
Other option is to just plug the USB drive into the Touch, no computer needed, but there are limitations in not using the full SBS server.

tmauceri
2010-11-30, 08:39
Yup. In fact, your SBS server is now setup. Just connect Touch to your network, point Touch to your server, you are done. Assuming you plan on using SBS server on your computer.
Other option is to just plug the USB drive into the Touch, no computer needed, but there are limitations in not using the full SBS server.

I'm getting a Vortexbox Appliance to use with the SB. I plan on hardwiring everything as a dedicated music server, digital out to my Denon AVR, for FLAC files. I am not really interested in streaming to other areas of my home, but who knows. Downloading SB play and Server is my way off learning about SB. My first question now that I can navigate the SB player is how would I play 2 Beatle Albums at once out of the full catalogue? With iTunes I would hold down the control key and clic on the albums I would want to play.

toby10
2010-11-30, 10:37
Oh, they'll breed, trust me. You can't have just one.
And if you don't keep adding more then a big ugly guy wearing a SONOS t-shirt will show up at your door and smash your hi-fi gear. ;)

On the actual Touch you would simply touch & hold the album, a pop up screen appears, "Add to End" (of Playlist) is offered, repeat for next album.
How you accomplish this on the software players I dunno.

tmauceri
2010-12-02, 12:03
Oh, they'll breed, trust me. You can't have just one.
And if you don't keep adding more then a big ugly guy wearing a SONOS t-shirt will show up at your door and smash your hi-fi gear. ;)

On the actual Touch you would simply touch & hold the album, a pop up screen appears, "Add to End" (of Playlist) is offered, repeat for next album.
How you accomplish this on the software players I dunno.

The same just hold the mouse button.

tmauceri
2010-12-03, 09:15
What is the best App for controlling the SB touch?

garym
2010-12-03, 11:21
What is the best App for controlling the SB touch?

iPeng for iphone/itouch.

tmauceri
2010-12-08, 12:02
Yup. In fact, your SBS server is now setup. Just connect Touch to your network, point Touch to your server, you are done. Assuming you plan on using SBS server on your computer.
Other option is to just plug the USB drive into the Touch, no computer needed, but there are limitations in not using the full SBS server.

Why can't I get Pandora to work on Squeezeplay. I downloaded the App and have a free account. It runs fine with my login from the website. Is there a way to login to Pandora through Aqeezeplay?

toby10
2010-12-08, 13:24
Why can't I get Pandora to work on Squeezeplay. I downloaded the App and have a free account. It runs fine with my login from the website. Is there a way to login to Pandora through Aqeezeplay?

Dunno, I don't use the software players. Might be that Pandora is restricted to hardware players only.

Did you look under My Apps from SqueezePlay?

garym
2010-12-08, 13:28
Dunno, I don't use the software players. Might be that Pandora is restricted to hardware players only.

Did you look under My Apps from SqueezePlay?

correct. won't work on squeezeplay (at least that's true for free pandora; I don't know about a paid pandora account).

Kal Rubinson
2010-12-08, 14:31
IGNORE THIS POST:

I just got back to the office and realized that, although I listen to Squeezeplay almost all the time, when I access Pandora, I do so directly and not through Squeezeplay. Sorry for the confusion I may have created.



correct. won't work on squeezeplay (at least that's true for free pandora; I don't know about a paid pandora account).

Really? I am listening now to free Pandora on Squeezeplay on my office PC and I have not logged in to it since the first time about 2 months ago.

Kal

Ikabob
2010-12-08, 14:37
My wife ordered me up a Squeezbox Touch and a Vortexbox Appliance for Xmas. I have to wait, but any more words of wisdom would be appreciated.

Wow....nice wife! Treat her well....she's a gem.
(what did you get her? How bout an SBBoom?)

garym
2010-12-08, 14:56
Really? I am listening now to free Pandora on Squeezeplay on my office PC and I have not logged in to it since the first time about 2 months ago.

Kal

hmmmm, only works for me with hardware players (not squeezeplay). What do you mean, "I have not logged in to it since the first time"? Logged into what?

tmauceri
2010-12-09, 15:05
Wow....nice wife! Treat her well....she's a gem.
(what did you get her? How bout an SBBoom?)Yeah, I'll keep her!

tmauceri
2010-12-13, 14:02
Found the Vortexbox UK website, it pretty much answered all my questions plus more. Can't wait to get the gear and start ripping. One question I do have though, is there a forum on this site or AVS that pertains to people using the SB Touch with VBA. I did a search and couldn't find one.

rgro
2010-12-13, 16:25
Found the Vortexbox UK website, it pretty much answered all my questions plus more. Can't wait to get the gear and start ripping. One question I do have though, is there a forum on this site or AVS that pertains to people using the SB Touch with VBA. I did a search and couldn't find one.

Not specifically, but some of that is over in the 3rd party hardware section, some in the Squeezebox server section, plus there is a Forum right on the Vortexbox website (look at the tabs on the top of the home page) on which there are often postings related to SqueezeStuff as relates to the VBA.

tmauceri
2010-12-18, 08:52
Since the VBA doesn't have a remote, should I leave it running 24/7 or do I have to turn it on manually? While I'm here I have A FLAC question also. When I rip a standard CD 44/16 in FLAC. Does it play back as 44/16 or at some higher rate or is the resolution adjustable? I realize you can't get more out of a standard CD but if you can rip to say 96/24 does that have an effect on playback? One week till I get my gear, can't wait.

garym
2010-12-18, 09:02
Just leave the VBA running 24/7. It really doesn't use that much electricity and makes life easier. You could also explore using WOL function and serverpowercontrol plugin that will automatically do some power management. I do none of this...I just leave VBA running all the time.

Re FLAC rips, people have different opinions on the value of ripping a 16/44.1 to something else. I personally rip 16/44.1 to 16/44.1.

guidof
2010-12-18, 10:04
Re FLAC rips, people have different opinions on the value of ripping a 16/44.1 to something else. I personally rip 16/44.1 to 16/44.1.

I also rip 16/44.1 to 16/44.1, but connect the digital output of the SBTouch to a Cambridge Audio DAC that upsamples 16/44.1 to 24/384. This is a worthwhile option if your setup allows it.

Guido F.

Mnyb
2010-12-18, 10:23
Since the VBA doesn't have a remote, should I leave it running 24/7 or do I have to turn it on manually? While I'm here I have A FLAC question also. When I rip a standard CD 44/16 in FLAC. Does it play back as 44/16 or at some higher rate or is the resolution adjustable? I realize you can't get more out of a standard CD but if you can rip to say 96/24 does that have an effect on playback? One week till I get my gear, can't wait.

That would be pointless the squeezebox padds all incoming signals to 24bit anyway and the built in DAC is oversampling like all modern DAC's of decent design ?

Further you don't have more information than 16/44.1 anyway like pouring 1 pint of water in 1 gallon jug.

I'll rip CD as 16/44.1 and my DVD-A's in their native format like 24/48 or 24/88.2 or 24/96 or the rare 24/192 .

If you do this anyway make 44.1 sources 88.2 making them 96 would actually discard info as 96/44.1 is not an even number.

tmauceri
2010-12-25, 14:49
Set everything up, no problems. Decided to rip my Beatles catalogue, ripped Rubber Soul no Problem but no artwork. Ripped Revolver, no problem got the artwork. Ripped Help, problem, came back with a tittle of Best of the Beatles and it's associated artwork. The song tittles were all wrong also. How do I fix this with the VBA. Also how do you set the sampling rate when ripping in FLAC? I expected to have a problem with tags somewhere down the line, but not with the Beatles. I can access the VBA through a browser, so I've got that far.

garym
2010-12-25, 16:30
Set everything up, no problems. Decided to rip my Beatles catalogue, ripped Rubber Soul no Problem but no artwork. Ripped Revolver, no problem got the artwork. Ripped Help, problem, came back with a tittle of Best of the Beatles and it's associated artwork. The song tittles were all wrong also. How do I fix this with the VBA. Also how do you set the sampling rate when ripping in FLAC? I expected to have a problem with tags somewhere down the line, but not with the Beatles. I can access the VBA through a browser, so I've got that far.

mp3tag is a very useful tag editing program (and does FLAC too). Best bet is to edit your tags with this program. I'm sure there are some tag programs that run on the VBA too, but this is just as easy (or easier) and you can directly access your files stored on the VBA from any other computer on your network. I use mp3tag on my laptop, but the files are on my VBA.

rgro
2010-12-25, 17:22
mp3tag is a very useful tag editing program (and does FLAC too). Best bet is to edit your tags with this program. I'm sure there are some tag programs that run on the VBA too, but this is just as easy (or easier) and you can directly access your files stored on the VBA from any other computer on your network. I use mp3tag on my laptop, but the files are on my VBA.

+1 on the mp3tag method that Gary mentioned. You're not alone...even with just transfering the 24 bit Beatles catalog on the USB drive, I still found at least one album missing artwork (I think it was also Rubber Soul), and definitely had to fiddle with some of the tags in mp3tag.

garym
2010-12-25, 17:30
+1 on the mp3tag method that Gary mentioned. You're not alone...even with just transfering the 24 bit Beatles catalog on the USB drive, I still found at least one album missing artwork (I think it was also Rubber Soul), and definitely had to fiddle with some of the tags in mp3tag.

you can add (embed) artwork within mp3tag as well, or just copy the jpg you want to use within the directory of the album (name it folder.jpg)

tmauceri
2010-12-25, 22:24
mp3tag is a very useful tag editing program (and does FLAC too). Best bet is to edit your tags with this program. I'm sure there are some tag programs that run on the VBA too, but this is just as easy (or easier) and you can directly access your files stored on the VBA from any other computer on your network. I use mp3tag on my laptop, but the files are on my VBA.

How do I access the FLAC files from my laptop or can this be done from the web interface?

tmauceri
2010-12-25, 23:02
I downloaded mp3tag and can access the music files on the VBA. When I try to save my edits the program says "cannot be opened for writing". What do I do to unlock the music files?

garym
2010-12-26, 05:16
just to confirm, can you, for example, copy one of the music files to your desktop on your laptop? Right click one of the vba files and check properties. does it show as write protected or anything? Also, are you looking at the files within the "files/music" subdirectory? Music files on the VBA actually show up in two different places, but only under the files top directory can you access the actual files.

tmauceri
2010-12-26, 05:53
just to confirm, can you, for example, copy one of the music files to your desktop on your laptop? Right click one of the vba files and check properties. does it show as write protected or anything? Also, are you looking at the files within the "files/music" subdirectory? Music files on the VBA actually show up in two different places, but only under the files top directory can you access the actual files.

I read about the files folder in the VBA FAQ this morning and I was able to edit the Beatles Help Album and save the changes. When I went to the SBTouch nothing had changed. I think I read when you rip a new CD the it will update. So I just started to rip another. So far everything else I've ripped has been perfect with just a couple of CDs not showing cover art.

garym
2010-12-26, 05:55
I read about the files folder in the VBA FAQ this morning and I was able to edit the Beatles Help Album and save the changes. When I went to the SBTouch nothing had changed. I think I read when you rip a new CD the it will update. So I just started to rip another. So far everything else I've ripped has been perfect with just a couple of CDs not showing cover art.

So you solved your initial problem of not being able to save files?

after you edited the files and saved the changes, did you go into SbS webGUI >Settings and then do a rescan (either look for new and changed or clear and rescan)? You have to do this step before the SB player (touch) will pick up the changes.

tmauceri
2010-12-26, 06:08
Success, The SB/VBA updated my edits and got the cover art. Thanks to everyone who has helped me with this endeavor, I will be back with more questions I'm sure.

tmauceri
2010-12-26, 06:12
So you solved your initial problem of not being able to save files?

after you edited the files and saved the changes, did you go into SbS webGUI >Settings and then do a rescan (either look for new and changed or clear and rescan)? You have to do this step before the SB player (touch) will pick up the changes.

Thanks

tmauceri
2010-12-26, 06:21
Im back already. A few days ago I asked about FLAC and sampling rates and the general opinion was to rip in 44.1. My AVR tells me the FLAC files are in 44.1, so all is good. If I wanted to rip in say 88.2 can the VBA do this? If so, how do I change the defaults? Also can I change the compression? I know 5 seems to be the compression of choice. But how would I change the compression if I wanted to?

garym
2010-12-26, 06:28
Im back already. A few days ago I asked about FLAC and sampling rates and the general opinion was to rip in 44.1. My AVR tells me the FLAC files are in 44.1, so all is good. If I wanted to rip in say 88.2 can the VBA do this? If so, how do I change the defaults? Also can I change the compression? I know 5 seems to be the compression of choice. But how would I change the compression if I wanted to?

you can cahnge from 44.1 to 88.2, but this is generally a bad idea at best and can screw things up at worst. If the CD is 44.1, ripping it at 88.2 doesn't somehow add something that wasn't there.

Regarding compression, this just has to do with "size" of the FLAC file. Many folks will tell you that the usual default of "5" compression is the best compromise between size of file (small) and the effort the decoder has to put out to decode the FLAC file. I personally use "5" on all my FLAC rips. I use dbpa to rip (even though I have a VBA) so not sure where the setting is on VBA. But must be a place to change compression to be somewhere between 0 and 8.

tmauceri
2010-12-26, 06:39
you can cahnge from 44.1 to 88.2, but this is generally a bad idea at best and can screw things up at worst. If the CD is 44.1, ripping it at 88.2 doesn't somehow add something that wasn't there.

Regarding compression, this just has to do with "size" of the FLAC file. Many folks will tell you that the usual default of "5" compression is the best compromise between size of file (small) and the effort the decoder has to put out to decode the FLAC file. I personally use "5" on all my FLAC rips. I use dbpa to rip (even though I have a VBA) so not sure where the setting is on VBA. But must be a place to change compression to be somewhere between 0 and 8.

Thanks Gary. I was looking at the music folders on the VBA and noticed in each CD folder there are the FLAC, M3U, Cover and Folder files. Cover and Folder have the album art. What is the difference? What is the M3U file? And the last Question, why would there be art in both the Cover and folder files that doesn't show up on the SB display?

Mnyb
2010-12-26, 06:41
Im back already. A few days ago I asked about FLAC and sampling rates and the general opinion was to rip in 44.1. My AVR tells me the FLAC files are in 44.1, so all is good. If I wanted to rip in say 88.2 can the VBA do this? If so, how do I change the defaults? Also can I change the compression? I know 5 seems to be the compression of choice. But how would I change the compression if I wanted to?

Ther is absolutelyno point in ripping CD as 88.2 won't do anything that the DAC is not alredy doing for you , the DAC chip is most certainly oversampling and a squeezebox also pads 16 bit to 24 bit .

Do you want use the digital output to something that does not oversample ?

garym
2010-12-26, 06:43
Thanks Gary. I was looking at the music folders on the VBA and noticed in each CD folder there are the FLAC, M3U, Cover and Folder files. Cover and Folder have the album art. What is the difference? What is the M3U file? And the last Question, why would there be art in both the Cover and folder files that doesn't show up on the SB display?

m3u is a playlist file. Album artwork is typically stored as a .jpg file within each album subdirectory and named either "cover.jpg" or "folder.jpg". I'm surprised this gives you both files. Seems like you should have one or the other. Regarding showing up in SbS, have you done a complete "clear and rescan" of your music library in the SbS webGUI? It seems this is required to pick up artwork changes. If that doesn't work, as a test, remove the "cover.jpg" file from one of the directories, leaving only the folder.jpg file and then "clear and rescan". I wonder if having two copies of the art file is confusing SbS.

tmauceri
2010-12-26, 06:48
Ther is absolutelyno point in ripping CD as 88.2 won't do anything that the DAC is not alredy doing for you , the DAC chip is most certainly oversampling and a squeezebox also pads 16 bit to 24 bit .

Do you want use the digital output to something that does not oversample ?
I'm not trying to rip in 88.2, just trying to learn.

tmauceri
2010-12-26, 07:08
m3u is a playlist file. Album artwork is typically stored as a .jpg file within each album subdirectory and named either "cover.jpg" or "folder.jpg". I'm surprised this gives you both files. Seems like you should have one or the other. Regarding showing up in SbS, have you done a complete "clear and rescan" of your music library in the SbS webGUI? It seems this is required to pick up artwork changes. If that doesn't work, as a test, remove the "cover.jpg" file from one of the directories, leaving only the folder.jpg file and then "clear and rescan". I wonder if having two copies of the art file is confusing SbS.

All the Album folders have both Cover and folder files. Most of the albums show artwork on the SB. For instance 3 Beatle CDs have both cover and folder files, but the art work only shows on the SB for 2 of them.

tmauceri
2010-12-26, 07:22
m3u is a playlist file. Album artwork is typically stored as a .jpg file within each album subdirectory and named either "cover.jpg" or "folder.jpg". I'm surprised this gives you both files. Seems like you should have one or the other. Regarding showing up in SbS, have you done a complete "clear and rescan" of your music library in the SbS webGUI? It seems this is required to pick up artwork changes. If that doesn't work, as a test, remove the "cover.jpg" file from one of the directories, leaving only the folder.jpg file and then "clear and rescan". I wonder if having two copies of the art file is confusing SbS.
Going to the SBS webGUI did the trick. I now have all the art work. Thanks again Gary. Now to update my Harmony One for this new gear.

garym
2010-12-26, 07:56
Great. Enjoy. Lots of little things to learn about all this, but sounds like you're on your way. Main thing is to have good tags on your files. This forum is helpful, and don't forget about the search function. When you get to issues like "how does SbS deal with compilation CDs" the search function will be your friend!

tmauceri
2010-12-26, 08:20
Great. Enjoy. Lots of little things to learn about all this, but sounds like you're on your way. Main thing is to have good tags on your files. This forum is helpful, and don't forget about the search function. When you get to issues like "how does SbS deal with compilation CDs" the search function will be your friend!

I've delt with compilations on iTunes, so I know what to expect. If I want to delete, say all the soundtrack filler from Yellow Submarine, can I go to the VBA files folder delete them and then edit the track numbers with mp3tag.

garym
2010-12-26, 12:38
I've delt with compilations on iTunes, so I know what to expect. If I want to delete, say all the soundtrack filler from Yellow Submarine, can I go to the VBA files folder delete them and then edit the track numbers with mp3tag.

I was thinking more in terms of how they show up in browsing by artist, etc. For example,if you have a best of the 70s CD, do you want each song by a different artist to show up as a separate album? That sort of thing. The short version (search for many threads on this) is that you are probably best served by setting the Compilations tag to "1" for compilations as well as entering a value for the Album Artist tag (= Various Artists). Keep in mind that if even a single track on an album has a second artist tag, the album will be treated as a compilation album even if COMPILATION does not equal 1. Anyhow, you'll figure this out as you begin to rip more cds and play with it a bit more.

p.s. I'd never delete stuff that I ripped off the CD. I'd want it to exist. If I didn't want to actually hear some of it, I'd make myself a playlist with only the part I wanted, or give the tracks I'd like to skip a custom genre (i.e., SKIP) and use one of erland's various plugins to always skip those songs.

tmauceri
2010-12-27, 18:58
Bought a WD 1T USB drve today to back up the VBA. Downloaded the iPeng App for my iPad and I'm ripping every moment I can. I'm very impressed with everything so far and i'm glad I made this decision. Can someone recommend a free ripping program so I have an alternative to the VBA. Thanks again for everyones help.

Mnyb
2010-12-27, 23:58
Bought a WD 1T USB drve today to back up the VBA. Downloaded the iPeng App for my iPad and I'm ripping every moment I can. I'm very impressed with everything so far and i'm glad I made this decision. Can someone recommend a free ripping program so I have an alternative to the VBA. Thanks again for everyones help.

dBpowerAmp has a free version (even if the premium is what you want)

Otherwise EAC is it really , combined with flac and a good tagger like mp3tag.

If you are on windows there really only are EAC or dBpoweramp , They got the accurate rip feature where they compare your rip agaisnt a dB with other ripping the same discs, now you can be sure of that you got verified and tested bit perfect rips enjoy .

garym
2010-12-28, 06:25
Bought a WD 1T USB drve today to back up the VBA. Downloaded the iPeng App for my iPad and I'm ripping every moment I can. I'm very impressed with everything so far and i'm glad I made this decision. Can someone recommend a free ripping program so I have an alternative to the VBA. Thanks again for everyones help.

If you are a windows user, there are two programs consistently recommended by those serious a about their ripping. EAC (free) and dbpoweramp (not free). I use and recommend dbpa (reference edition R14; not free but worth every penny). Both these programs have a bit of learning curve, but dbpa is easier to setup in my opinion. They will both work with accuraterip, which is a very nice feature regarding confirming good rips and speeding up the ripping process). dbpa has a forum as well. I also think you should install mp3tag. This is very useful for various tag clean up functions (and does FLAC as well...)

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/spoons-audio-guide.htm
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc-power-register.htm
http://forums.mp3tag.de/index.php?http://www.anytag.de/forums/
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/download.html

tmauceri
2010-12-29, 08:47
If you are a windows user, there are two programs consistently recommended by those serious a about their ripping. EAC (free) and dbpoweramp (not free). I use and recommend dbpa (reference edition R14; not free but worth every penny). Both these programs have a bit of learning curve, but dbpa is easier to setup in my opinion. They will both work with accuraterip, which is a very nice feature regarding confirming good rips and speeding up the ripping process). dbpa has a forum as well. I also think you should install mp3tag. This is very useful for various tag clean up functions (and does FLAC as well...)

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/spoons-audio-guide.htm
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc-power-register.htm
http://forums.mp3tag.de/index.php?http://www.anytag.de/forums/
http://www.mp3tag.de/en/download.html
Downloaded EAC and ripped a cd "Avett Brothers four theives gone" which has a hidden content tacked on to a 4 min song for a total of 16 + min. The VBA rejected the disk, I read in another forum the VBA doesn't like hidden content. I ripped all the cuts except the 16 min one. Then I went back and ripped a range on the 16 min one which just included the 4 min song. Did one edit with MP3Tag and dragged it onto the VBA from my laptop, perfect. So you can see I'm progressing. I have also found that the VBA can rip the CD content of SACDs, evan multichannel ones. It won't rip the CD side of a Dual disk though. I've ripped about sixty CDs and backed them up on my WD USB drive. My Oppo BD-83 is getting jealous of the SB Touch.

tmauceri
2011-01-01, 09:32
#1 Does EAC or DBpoweramp produce a better FLAC file than the VBA(I think it uses ripit?) or do they just provide many more options?

#2 When VBA doesn't come back with artwork. I will find it, rename it and place it in the appropriate folder, files/music/flac, on the VBA. Then I update the SB Server. This is where I'm a bit confused. I always get the the artwork to show up on the SB touch and on iPeng(on my iPad). But I'm unclear of the precise route. For instance, under settings in the SB server when you rescan do I use, look for new and changed music or clear library and rescan everything. Clear and Rescan everything seems to always work, but takes a few minutes. New and changed music works sometimes. and sometimes the VBA updating the server after ripping a different disk seems to work. Comments welcome. Thanks!!!

rgro
2011-01-01, 11:20
#1 Does EAC or DBpoweramp produce a better FLAC file than the VBA(I think it uses ripit?) or do they just provide many more options?

#2 When VBA doesn't come back with artwork. I will find it, rename it and place it in the appropriate folder, files/music/flac, on the VBA. Then I update the SB Server. This is where I'm a bit confused. I always get the the artwork to show up on the SB touch and on iPeng(on my iPad). But I'm unclear of the precise route. For instance, under settings in the SB server when you rescan do I use, look for new and changed music or clear library and rescan everything. Clear and Rescan everything seems to always work, but takes a few minutes. New and changed music works sometimes. and sometimes the VBA updating the server after ripping a different disk seems to work. Comments welcome. Thanks!!!

Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is how it goes:

1. When you manually add artwork to one of your music folders, the only way the Touch will see new artwork is to do a complete SBS clear and rescan. The "rescan changed items" will not, for time being, pick up artwork changes.

2. When you rip a new disk, I believe the VBA software forces the SBS to do a complete clear and rescan. That's why your new music AND artwork show up when you rip a new disk without having to do the manual clear and rescan.

3. As far as I know, FLAC is FLAC no matter which software you use to produce it. There are different compression levels (I believe the VBA is set to use the default, normal "5" but otherwise, everything else being equal, ripping to FLAC on the VBA is exactly the same as ripping to FLAC using DBpoweramp or EAC.

tmauceri
2011-01-01, 11:54
Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is how it goes:

1. When you manually add artwork to one of your music folders, the only way the Touch will see new artwork is to do a complete SBS clear and rescan. The "rescan changed items" will not, for time being, pick up artwork changes.

2. When you rip a new disk, I believe the VBA software forces the SBS to do a complete clear and rescan. That's why your new music AND artwork show up when you rip a new disk without having to do the manual clear and rescan.

3. As far as I know, FLAC is FLAC no matter which software you use to produce it. There are different compression levels (I believe the VBA is set to use the default, normal "5" but otherwise, everything else being equal, ripping to FLAC on the VBA is exactly the same as ripping to FLAC using DBpoweramp or EAC.Thank you, that clears up that issue. I see you are running 1.7 have you tried ripping a DVD?

rgro
2011-01-01, 13:51
Thank you, that clears up that issue. I see you are running 1.7 have you tried ripping a DVD?

Nope...in truth, we've not been dvd purchasers/collectors, so I don't think we even own one to experiment with [the Luddite in us comes out ;>)]. We seem to either watch blu rays from Netflix or stream (via the Revue) from Netflix. Completely contrary to my music listening, I generally can't stand watching a movie twice---the one exception to that philosophy being any Peter Sellers Pink Panther movie.

tmauceri
2011-01-02, 21:14
Can a clear and rescan be done from the SB Touch for files on the VBA or can this only be done from the VBA GUI on my PC. On the Touch under settings/advanced/SB Server, there is clear and rescan. This seems to be for a USB device though.

Mnyb
2011-01-02, 22:22
Can a clear and rescan be done from the SB Touch for files on the VBA or can this only be done from the VBA GUI on my PC. On the Touch under settings/advanced/SB Server, there is clear and rescan. This seems to be for a USB device though.

This is for the internal server on Touch.

No the squeezeplay based player can not initiate a scan at the server.
The old ones can , like SB3 or Boom .
There have been bugs against it, but they wont fix this. It's decision they made for some reason I cant understand at all.

You have to use the web-UI in squeezeboxserver. Wich is not such a problem you just have to rmeber to do it while fiddling with your files.

tmauceri
2011-01-03, 04:47
This is for the internal server on Touch.

No the squeezeplay based player can not initiate a scan at the server.
The old ones can , like SB3 or Boom .
There have been bugs against it, but they wont fix this. It's decision they made for some reason I cant understand at all.

You have to use the web-UI in squeezeboxserver. Wich is not such a problem you just have to rmeber to do it while fiddling with your files.

I read in a review, last night, that you can set an automatic, clear and rescan under the advanced tab in the SB server software. When you open the tab there is a pulldown menu on the left. I set it up for 3 AM in the morning. This is the the URL from Computer Audiophile.
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Review

Phil Leigh
2011-01-03, 04:52
Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is how it goes:

1. When you manually add artwork to one of your music folders, the only way the Touch will see new artwork is to do a complete SBS clear and rescan. The "rescan changed items" will not, for time being, pick up artwork changes.

2. When you rip a new disk, I believe the VBA software forces the SBS to do a complete clear and rescan. That's why your new music AND artwork show up when you rip a new disk without having to do the manual clear and rescan.

3. As far as I know, FLAC is FLAC no matter which software you use to produce it. There are different compression levels (I believe the VBA is set to use the default, normal "5" but otherwise, everything else being equal, ripping to FLAC on the VBA is exactly the same as ripping to FLAC using DBpoweramp or EAC.

FLAC is indeed FLAC (in most cases) but all ripping programs are NOT the same!
DBP and EAC produce the best quality rips possible. I don't know about VBA...

garym
2011-01-03, 05:11
FLAC is indeed FLAC (in most cases) but all ripping programs are NOT the same!
DBP and EAC produce the best quality rips possible. I don't know about VBA...

Agree. The issue is generally whether the rip is bit perfect. Thus the usefulness of accuraterip, repeating the rip automatically and comparing the the two results, etc. This said, even a ripper that is not particularly secure (e.g., Itunes) will do just fine on the vast majority of rips. The problem is that one would like to know more about the quality of the rip AT THE TIME THE RIP IS DONE. And do keep in mind that just because a disk is brand new, never played, with no visible scratches, it might still not rip without errors. For all these reasons, rippers are not created equal, even though they create the same type files (e.g., FLAC). EAC and dbap are two rippers that provide feedback and detail on the quality of a rip, have the ability to use different secure methods, and (for me) the most useful function is the ability to compare to a large database of other users' rips (accuraterip).

tmauceri
2011-01-07, 15:10
I'm getting very comfortable with the gear and loving it. Most of the gliches that send me into a digital nightmare are caused more by iPeng rather than the SBT and VBA. I've become somewhat familiar with EAC, MP3Tag and editing directly on the VBA drive. I am still baffled by the occasional artwork snafu but can usually work through it. I have 179 disks ripped with the artwork and 1000 plus left to go.

garym
2011-01-08, 06:58
I'm getting very comfortable with the gear and loving it. Most of the gliches that send me into a digital nightmare are caused more by iPeng rather than the SBT and VBA. I've become somewhat familiar with EAC, MP3Tag and editing directly on the VBA drive. I am still baffled by the occasional artwork snafu but can usually work through it. I have 179 disks ripped with the artwork and 1000 plus left to go.

You may need to play around a bit more with iPEng. I've not noticed any "glitches" with ipeng, but there is a tiny bit of learning curve to understand how it works. One issue, make sure you let ipeng fully load up the album list, etc. after you've done a clear and rescan on your SbS. It may take a few minutes depending on the library size. But after this, it should be quite responsive.

tmauceri
2011-01-09, 11:08
You may need to play around a bit more with iPEng. I've not noticed any "glitches" with ipeng, but there is a tiny bit of learning curve to understand how it works. One issue, make sure you let ipeng fully load up the album list, etc. after you've done a clear and rescan on your SbS. It may take a few minutes depending on the library size. But after this, it should be quite responsive.
Every time I backup the VBA the VBAPlayer turns on and becomes another device on the iPeng. I had an instance when the VBAPlayer was selected and I couldn't figure out why the squeeze box wouldn't play remotely through the iPeng, but would play if I went directly to the SB. I'm learning every time I encounter a problem.

garym
2011-01-09, 12:41
Every time I backup the VBA the VBAPlayer turns on and becomes another device on the iPeng. I had an instance when the VBAPlayer was selected and I couldn't figure out why the squeeze box wouldn't play remotely through the iPeng, but would play if I went directly to the SB. I'm learning every time I encounter a problem.

This is why I turn off the vb player service within my VBA. So I don't see it as a device. Also, do you realize that you make a device "active" by tapping on it in ipeng then the background turns blue.

tmauceri
2011-01-14, 07:25
This is why I turn off the vb player service within my VBA. So I don't see it as a device. Also, do you realize that you make a device "active" by tapping on it in ipeng then the background turns blue.
Thats how I know it turns on. I went into the VBA UI and shut it off. I think it turned on when I did the 1.7 upgrade.

tmauceri
2011-01-14, 07:31
What are peoples preferences for digital out, Optical or Coaxial? I read something about Coax sounding better.

JohnSwenson
2011-01-14, 19:48
What are peoples preferences for digital out, Optical or Coaxial? I read something about Coax sounding better.

There is no cut and dried answer to that question. Its going to depend on the DAC and cable used and the rest of your system.

The only really good way to find out is to try different combinations. A number of people really like optical with a multi-strand glass cable. They are a bit more expensive than the regular plastic ones, but in some circumstances can sound very good.

The hard part is you need to try several different cables (price does NOT automatically mean its going to sound best). In my system the best coax cable is a cheap little thing that came with my first external DAC MANY years ago. It beats out some quite expensive cables.

John S.

Waldo Pepper
2011-01-15, 20:07
There is no cut and dried answer to that question. Its going to depend on the DAC and cable used and the rest of your system.

The only really good way to find out is to try different combinations. A number of people really like optical with a multi-strand glass cable. They are a bit more expensive than the regular plastic ones, but in some circumstances can sound very good.

The hard part is you need to try several different cables (price does NOT automatically mean its going to sound best). In my system the best coax cable is a cheap little thing that came with my first external DAC MANY years ago. It beats out some quite expensive cables.

John S.

Why would coax be any better than fibre over about 2 feet?

tmauceri
2011-01-21, 12:54
I've been wondering about this "soundcheck's Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0" Less is better so they say, that's why we have direct in. But I'm a confirmed Audessey and ProLogic II Guy. Steps 1,2 and 3 are easy enough and I'm already configured that way. I don't plan or want to mess with installing scripts and files. But I'm curious about having the server decode vs. the SB touch. Whats the consensus. Once again thanks to everyone for all the help. I've got about 500 CDs ripped and having a grand old time with my new toys.

garym
2011-01-21, 14:10
I've been wondering about this "soundcheck's Squeezebox Touch Toolbox 2.0" Less is better so they say, that's why we have direct in. But I'm a confirmed Audessey and ProLogic II Guy. Steps 1,2 and 3 are easy enough and I'm already configured that way. I don't plan or want to mess with installing scripts and files. But I'm curious about having the server decode vs. the SB touch. Whats the consensus. Once again thanks to everyone for all the help. I've got about 500 CDs ripped and having a grand old time with my new toys.

I can't speak to the consensus, but plenty of smart people on this forum that know a lot more than me don't think that decoding on the server side vs Touch matters to the ultimate sound quality. Try it both ways and see what you think. It's just a couple of settings in SbS > Settings > File Types. But beware of the placebo effect....if you can, get someone else to make the changes and listen a bit both ways so you are doing a blind test. For me, there is absolutely no difference in either my TOUCH or my TRANSPORTER.

guidof
2011-01-21, 15:30
But I'm curious about having the server decode vs. the SB touch. Whats the consensus. Once again thanks to everyone for all the help. I've got about 500 CDs ripped and having a grand old time with my new toys.

I'm not sure about consensus either. However, my subjective impression is that decoding on the server yields marginally clearer sound. As has been pointed out, it's easy to try. No SW mod necessary!

But don't just listen repeatedly to the same brief sound clip. Try it either way for a couple of days at the time. (I know, it's not quite A/B, but if you listen repeatedly to the same brief clip, you will very likely find no difference).

However, the full benefit of soundcheck's mods is only likely to be had when most of the SW mods are implemented. I followed pretty much his suggestions, except that I'm still on wireless and, again subjectively, am very satisfied with the result.

Guido F.

garym
2011-01-21, 15:34
(I know, it's not quite A/B, but if you listen repeatedly to the same brief clip, you will very likely find no difference).


I'm not saying you believe this, but just for others' info, a blind A/B comparison does NOT have to be listening to short snips of music over a short time. One can listen for "A" for days and then "B" for days (or weeks!). The key of course is that the listener doesn't know which is A and which is B. Just take some notes about your listening experiences. Then AFTER THE FACT, compare those notes/times/days with the information about the setup on those days/times.

guidof
2011-01-21, 16:09
I'm not saying you believe this, but just for others' info, a blind A/B comparison does NOT have to be listening to short snips of music over a short time.

Quite true!

I just think that, to the extent that there are differences to be perceived, they are more likely to become apparent when listening to a variety of recordings over extended periods.

Sometimes judgments are formed based solely on repeated listening to brief musical segments, whether blind or not. Yet, this is not how we ordinarily listen to music. While this is not necessarily invalid when the differences are gross, it seems to me questionable when the differences are of the kind of musical refinement that soundcheck's mods attempt to accomplish.

Guido F.

firedog
2011-01-22, 01:24
I can't speak to the consensus, but plenty of smart people on this forum that know a lot more than me don't think that decoding on the server side vs Touch matters to the ultimate sound quality. Try it both ways and see what you think. It's just a couple of settings in SbS > Settings > File Types. But beware of the placebo effect....if you can, get someone else to make the changes and listen a bit both ways so you are doing a blind test. For me, there is absolutely no difference in either my TOUCH or my TRANSPORTER.

In general I'm in the camp that the soundcheck mods make a small but noticeable improvement - a little less hardness, a little more roundness to the sound. I'm guessing this is because of less RF interference.

As far as the specific server side question: I don't notice a difference in SQ, but I do notice a difference in performance. Less delays, clicks, rebufferings, etc. Especially with 24/96 material. Not that there are a lot of problems when using the onboard decoding, just that they are more or less eliminated when switching to server side. That alone is a good enough reason for me to make the switch. There is one small downside to server side though. If you have an older SB player that doesn't native play hi-res, and play it synched to a Touch, the hi-res won't play over the system (either player) when the syched player is engaged, as the server will try to output the file in hi-res, and your "lesser" player won't be able to handle it. You get an "unsupported sample rate" error. This doesn't happen when you decode onboard at each player, as each player decodes at a sample rate it can handle.

Mnyb
2011-01-22, 01:48
Using ethernet can make 24/96 more snappy wether you decode on server or not.
it was almost impossible to use wifi and 24/96 the first weeks of Touch life but this has improved greatly .

Seems like WPA2 decryption uses a lot of cpu making it somewhat sluggish ? to handle.
Run ethernet wires if possible.
The whole experience is much faster an snappier when using the screen cuing up lists etc (then you can safely kill the wifi drivers etc in Touch saving even more cpu cycles) .

Just try it wired I don't think you want to go back if you tried it.

This wifi fad has gone a bit to far , remember when wifi was an option on the SB3 (you could buy one without wifi board) .

Wifi is not a real network, it does a very good job faking a network but it's not the same as a real network :)

So if networkable things like a server a router and a Touch is sitting at the same place all the time why not wire the stuff ?
Wifi is for the mobile stuff like laptops, Radio ? etc that you lug around the house.

Think of wifi as a finite resource you can "save" wifi by wire up as much stuff as possible, not just squeezeboxes and then you have a lot of wifi when you need it.

Phil Leigh
2011-01-22, 02:13
Quite true!

I just think that, to the extent that there are differences to be perceived, they are more likely to become apparent when listening to a variety of recordings over extended periods.

Sometimes judgments are formed based solely on repeated listening to brief musical segments, whether blind or not. Yet, this is not how we ordinarily listen to music. While this is not necessarily invalid when the differences are gross, it seems to me questionable when the differences are of the kind of musical refinement that soundcheck's mods attempt to accomplish.

Guido F.

I don't want to get into a big heated debate about this, but to do a meaningful assessment over time, one needs to switch back to the original settings occasionally, otherwise there is no comparative baseline - it's exactly like the "burn-in" situation. If you only ever listen to the new settings, your brain WILL forget completely what the old settings sounded like and WILL gradually re-programme itself to accept the new settings as the norm.

guidof
2011-01-22, 09:38
I don't want to get into a big heated debate about this, but to do a meaningful assessment over time, one needs to switch back to the original settings occasionally, otherwise there is no comparative baseline - it's exactly like the "burn-in" situation. If you only ever listen to the new settings, your brain WILL forget completely what the old settings sounded like and WILL gradually re-programme itself to accept the new settings as the norm.

You won't get an argument about this from me! By all means, one should switch back to the original setting for comparison purposes.

In the case of soundcheck's mods, this is easily accomplished either by doing a factory reset or by using his "tt" tool (his paragraph 1.7). Of course, one should also reset the FLAC/PCM decoding on the server, if used.

Guido F.

tmauceri
2011-01-30, 08:22
I noticed that there is new software for the server v7.5.3. When I click to download it wants to know what operating system I have. The VBA is running Fedora release 14. This doesn't match the selections on my squeezebox.com. As I think about this I am wondering how do I get the new software on to the VBA. Is this done on the VBA web UI. Does Vortexbox handle this, in other words do they provide access to the upgrade via the web UI. I am confused?

krochat
2011-01-30, 09:41
Does Vortexbox handle this, in other words do they provide access to the upgrade via the web UI. I am confused?

Use to Vortexbox web gui (not the squeezebox server gui)and select the "Vortexbox upgrade" icon (bottom left - the open box icon). It will download and install 7.5.3 along with other upgrades.

Regards,
Kim

garym
2011-01-30, 09:53
Yes. Update is via vortexbox web GUI. I think 7.5.2 is the newest version there.

rgro
2011-01-30, 10:21
Yes. Update is via vortexbox web GUI. I think 7.5.2 is the newest version there.

Nope....Andrew's got 7.5.3 r31815 loaded. That's what'll install if you do an update via the VBA GUI.

tmauceri
2011-01-31, 04:52
Thanks to everyone again. Is there a way to check if there is new SBT software ready to be downloaded via the VBA UI.

rgro
2011-01-31, 09:12
Thanks to everyone again. Is there a way to check if there is new SBT software ready to be downloaded via the VBA UI.

I'm not sure, really. The way I've been finding out about most of the new stuff being out was by hanging around the Vortexbox forums. Andrew usually makes an announcement on their website when they release a new version of the Vortexbox operating s/w, but the lesser stuff like the new sbs s/w update seems not to be quite so obvious.....Maybe Ron O or one of the other veterans might have some way that's better????

And just to clarify, I believe the only thing that Vortexbox does is incorporate official Squeezebox Server s/w releases. Firmware updates for the Touch (or any of the other devices) still come from Logitech.

garym
2011-01-31, 09:19
I'm not sure, really. The way I've been finding out about most of the new stuff being out was by hanging around the Vortexbox forums. Andrew usually makes an announcement on their website when they release a new version of the Vortexbox operating s/w, but the lesser stuff like the new sbs s/w update seems not to be quite so obvious.....Maybe Ron O or one of the other veterans might have some way that's better????

And just to clarify, I believe the only thing that Vortexbox does is incorporate official Squeezebox Server s/w releases. Firmware updates for the Touch (or any of the other devices) still come from Logitech.

correct. And if you use the web Updater in VB, if there is no update, it won't do anything, so it doesn't cause a problem.

agillis
2011-01-31, 11:06
correct. And if you use the web Updater in VB, if there is no update, it won't do anything, so it doesn't cause a problem.

Correct, if you looking for a new version of something just click upgrade and see if you get it. If not try again in a few days. We usually have new versions of SsqueezeBox Server and other software in our repo a few days after they are released.

tmauceri
2011-01-31, 13:43
My question is reguarding iPeng and I am running it on an iPad. In playback there are 3 pages, the first shows the album art in full screen, the second shows all songs on the album with the song playing magnified, the third shows the album art some what darkened and a message saying searching for lyrics. I would love to have the lyrics displayed for the music I am playing. I assume I need a pluggin for this and I found the download, but I am not sure how to proceed. How do I get the pluggin to the VBA?

tmauceri
2011-02-02, 14:54
I've been using DVD Audio Extractor to rip flac files in there native resolution from DVD-A discs I own, in stereo of course. I read in one of the forums, this one or AVS, That the SBT will play back DD or DTS files in 5.1 as long as they are decoded and ripped to flac. These files would be 24/48. I know optical or coax out can support this resolution, but hadn't read anything about the SBT being able to play multi-channel media. So I ripped Donald Fagen's The Nightfly in 5.1 24/48 and tried playing it through the SBT, but all I got was stereo in and out. Will the SBT support 5.1 as long as the Rez doesn't exceed 24/48 or 5.1 at all?

tmauceri
2011-02-04, 13:36
My question is reguarding iPeng and I am running it on an iPad. In playback there are 3 pages, the first shows the album art in full screen, the second shows all songs on the album with the song playing magnified, the third shows the album art some what darkened and a message saying searching for lyrics. I would love to have the lyrics displayed for the music I am playing. I assume I need a pluggin for this and I found the download, but I am not sure how to proceed. How do I get the pluggin to the VBA?
I figured this one out myself and the pluggin works great.

tmauceri
2011-02-13, 08:08
Yesterday I found 2 copies of the same album in my database, on the VBA, that weren't there the day before. The album was by Unknown Hinson, a country type novelty singer/persona. I did not rip this cd on my VBA, I don't even own it, I had never even heard of this artist before. I did rip a couple of DVD-A's using DVD Audio Extractor and 2 cd singles using EAC. I used mp3Tag for the DVD-A material and the data search in EAC for the singles. My question is how did this album get on my VBA? Did I access some data base with a trojan horse type of program. Have any of you had this happen before?

Mnyb
2011-02-13, 20:45
Is this a complete album with songs and all ?

It can be just one file whos tagging have made sbs create a whole " album" out of it .

Or maybe check your other computers using the vba as share.

Are you the only person that adds music :)

Mnyb
2011-02-13, 20:47
Re a loose file can it be on a badly tagged compilation or soundtrack album ?

tmauceri
2011-02-14, 14:46
Is this a complete album with songs and all ?

It can be just one file whos tagging have made sbs create a whole " album" out of it .

Or maybe check your other computers using the vba as share.

Are you the only person that adds music :)

A complete Album with artwork. My wife has no idea or interest how to access the VBA. My network is password protected.

tmauceri
2011-02-14, 15:02
I'm anticipating the new Radiohead wave download on Saturday. How do I convert a wave file to flac?

aubuti
2011-02-14, 15:19
There are various ways. The FLAC Frontend utility that comes with flac (flac.sourceforge.net) will do it. So will dBpoweramp, and foobar2000 may do it as well.

After you've converted you'll need to use a good tagging program to add tags, because the WAV files probably won't have them. If the filenames are sensible then adding tags is quick and easy with something like mp3tag. If the filenames are not sensible you'll have to do some typing.

tmauceri
2011-02-14, 21:21
There are various ways. The FLAC Frontend utility that comes with flac (flac.sourceforge.net) will do it. So will dBpoweramp, and foobar2000 may do it as well.

After you've converted you'll need to use a good tagging program to add tags, because the WAV files probably won't have them. If the filenames are sensible then adding tags is quick and easy with something like mp3tag. If the filenames are not sensible you'll have to do some typing.

Will EAC do the trick? If not I'll look into the others. thanks

aubuti
2011-02-15, 04:54
EAC might do it. EAC is primarily a ripping tool, ripping CDs to wav, and then using flac.exe to transcode wav to flac. I'm not sure how you would set up EAC to start from wav files, but since you have to use the exact same flac.exe package to do the transcoding I personally don't really see the benefit of bringing EAC into the equation.

tmauceri
2011-02-15, 14:25
EAC might do it. EAC is primarily a ripping tool, ripping CDs to wav, and then using flac.exe to transcode wav to flac. I'm not sure how you would set up EAC to start from wav files, but since you have to use the exact same flac.exe package to do the transcoding I personally don't really see the benefit of bringing EAC into the equation.

Downloaded flac frontend, works great. Ripped a disk in wave and converted to flac without any problems.

tmauceri
2011-02-15, 14:31
The Unknown Hinton cd was back on my VBA after I deleated it on Saturday night. I don't know if I'm picking this up using freeDB on mp3tag or if it's from where ever the VBA pulls CD data.

garym
2011-02-15, 14:46
The Unknown Hinton cd was back on my VBA after I deleated it on Saturday night. I don't know if I'm picking this up using freeDB on mp3tag or if it's from where ever the VBA pulls CD data.

is there any sort of recycle bin on a VBA? Not sure, but I recall that in a windows machine stuff in your Recycle Bin could get pulled in on a clear and rescan depending on the how the music directory is defined.

p.s. still a very odd issue!! I use mp3tag and have never had this issue.

tmauceri
2011-02-16, 04:38
is there any sort of recycle bin on a VBA? Not sure, but I recall that in a windows machine stuff in your Recycle Bin could get pulled in on a clear and rescan depending on the how the music directory is defined.

p.s. still a very odd issue!! I use mp3tag and have never had this issue.

There is no Recycle Bin that I know of on the VBA. I have been using a net book for direct editing on the VBA and a full laptop for editing with MP3Tag. The Unknown Hinton CD has not reappeared today. I'll empty the trash on both, but can't see how anything in the recycle bin on the two machines can get back on the VBA with Clear and rescan. Computers can be mysterious creatures though.

tmauceri
2011-02-16, 04:57
I have ripped over 900 CDs over the last 6 weeks and have been very happy with the the tags returned via the VBA. CDs that were labeled incorrectly or did not conform to my filing system were edited with MP3Tag. Rock, jazz, etc filed under the artists name, classical under the composers name and compilations under various artists. A simple system that works for me. I have 2 CDs that are giving me a problem, a Buddy Holly best of and a 2 disk Gram Parsons set. The disks show up in 2 places on the SBT and on iPeng. They show under the artists name and under various artists. I have examined both using MP3Tag and there is nowhere a reference to various artist. Are there hidden tags that I am not aware of?

garym
2011-02-16, 05:05
I have ripped over 900 CDs over the last 6 weeks and have been very happy with the the tags returned via the VBA. CDs that were labeled incorrectly or did not conform to my filing system were edited with MP3Tag. Rock, jazz, etc filed under the artists name, classical under the composers name and compilations under various artists. A simple system that works for me. I have 2 CDs that are giving me a problem, a Buddy Holly best of and a 2 disk Gram Parsons set. The disks show up in 2 places on the SBT and on iPeng. They show under the artists name and under various artists. I have examined both using MP3Tag and there is nowhere a reference to various artist. Are there hidden tags that I am not aware of?

look at the albums with MP3TAG. I'll bet that at least ONE track on each album has more than one artist. If any track has more than one artist (and tags can allow this), the album will be treated as a compilation and show up under your various artists listing. To fix this, add "album artist" tags to both CDs (i.e., Gram Parsons as album artist on all those tracks and Buddy Holly as album artist on the other CD tracks. Then do a clear and rescan. p.s. I'm a big Gram Parsons (and Buddy Holly) fan!

tmauceri
2011-02-16, 09:05
look at the albums with MP3TAG. I'll bet that at least ONE track on each album has more than one artist. If any track has more than one artist (and tags can allow this), the album will be treated as a compilation and show up under your various artists listing. To fix this, add "album artist" tags to both CDs (i.e., Gram Parsons as album artist on all those tracks and Buddy Holly as album artist on the other CD tracks. Then do a clear and rescan. p.s. I'm a big Gram Parsons (and Buddy Holly) fan!

I'm pretty sure the Buddy Holly CD is the same artist I will add Album Artist though. I've noticed this is usually blank when I review a CD on MP3Tag. Does Album Artist superceed artist? The Gram Parsons set listed different Artists, Submarine Band, Byrds, Buritto Bros, which I had edited to Gram Parsons. I then added the various bands to the song titles for documentation. I'll add Gram Parsons to Album Artist.

garym
2011-02-16, 12:04
I'm pretty sure the Buddy Holly CD is the same artist I will add Album Artist though. I've noticed this is usually blank when I review a CD on MP3Tag. Does Album Artist superceed artist? The Gram Parsons set listed different Artists, Submarine Band, Byrds, Buritto Bros, which I had edited to Gram Parsons. I then added the various bands to the song titles for documentation. I'll add Gram Parsons to Album Artist.

Yes, Album Artist is usually only filled in if you choose to. There are a few different views on this and they are equally useful I think. One view is put an album artist on every track (even though for most CDs the album artist will equal the track artist). Another view is to only include album artist on CDs where there are different track artists (this could be a true compilation (i.e., a movie soundtrack or "greatest hits of 1969" sort of thing) or even a CD that has one or more tracks with multiple artists. I lean toward the latter approach. I also add a COMPILATION =1 tag for true compilations.

Also, you don't have to remove the track artist info at all as you've done for Parsons. You can leave the track artist (which is just the ARTIST field) with the different artists (e.g., Gram Parsons, Flying Burritto Brothers, International Submarine Band, etc.) and still make the ALBUM ARTIST tag for all these tracks as Gram Parsons. Make sense?

tmauceri
2011-02-16, 21:36
Yes, Album Artist is usually only filled in if you choose to. There are a few different views on this and they are equally useful I think. One view is put an album artist on every track (even though for most CDs the album artist will equal the track artist). Another view is to only include album artist on CDs where there are different track artists (this could be a true compilation (i.e., a movie soundtrack or "greatest hits of 1969" sort of thing) or even a CD that has one or more tracks with multiple artists. I lean toward the latter approach. I also add a COMPILATION =1 tag for true compilations.

Also, you don't have to remove the track artist info at all as you've done for Parsons. You can leave the track artist (which is just the ARTIST field) with the different artists (e.g., Gram Parsons, Flying Burritto Brothers, International Submarine Band, etc.) and still make the ALBUM ARTIST tag for all these tracks as Gram Parsons. Make sense?I don't understand the compilation=1.

acsgp
2011-02-16, 23:37
I'm getting a Vortexbox Appliance to use with the SB. I plan on hardwiring everything as a dedicated music server, digital out to my Denon AVR, for FLAC files. I am not really interested in streaming to other areas of my home, but who knows.

tmauceri - I just bought the SqeezeBox Touch and the VTB 1TB too. How did you hardwire your VTB to the SBT? Was is usb -> usb? Would prefer not to stream as the hi-fi is in a low reception area.

Thanks

garym
2011-02-17, 05:07
I don't understand the compilation=1.

I'm not sure what you're not understanding about compilation, so please expand your question. In my case, all my CDs that are compilations (each track is NOT the same artist) have a COMPILATION tag and the field value is "1" (without the quotes). You can add this with mp3tag. Then in SbS, I tell it in settings under my music tab to "group compilations together" and also on that page I tell it to call these "groupings" Compilations instead of the default of various artists. This way, in my ARTIST listings I don't see the hundreds of artists that only appear in compilations. Instead I have a list of "compilations" under artists and if I click on this, I see a listing of all the compilation albums (soundtracks, etc.).

But search this forum on the keyword "compilation" and you'll see lots of very detailed discussion. For example, "Mr. Sinatra" has lots of useful posts.

tmauceri
2011-02-17, 08:22
tmauceri - I just bought the SqeezeBox Touch and the VTB 1TB too. How did you hardwire your VTB to the SBT? Was is usb -> usb? Would prefer not to stream as the hi-fi is in a low reception area.

Thanks The SBT to my router, the VBA to my router, via eithernet cables. I am pretty sure the VBA has to be hardwired to the router to connect to the web for data retrieval and to access the web GUI.

garym
2011-02-17, 08:25
The SBT to my router, the VBA to my router, via eithernet cables. I am pretty sure the VBA has to be hardwired to the router to connect to the web for data retrieval and to access the web GUI.

yes, VBA connected via ethernet to your router (or a switch that is connected to your router). I think the OP may be missing the idea that the TOUCH connects your local network (ether via WIFI or ethernet). The VBA is also connected to your local network. Then the Touch gets its music via a stream over your local network from the VBA. You wouldn't be using USB at all in this setup.

tmauceri
2011-02-17, 08:34
I'm not sure what you're not understanding about compilation, so please expand your question. In my case, all my CDs that are compilations (each track is NOT the same artist) have a COMPILATION tag and the field value is "1" (without the quotes). You can add this with mp3tag. Then in SbS, I tell it in settings under my music tab to "group compilations together" and also on that page I tell it to call these "groupings" Compilations instead of the default of various artists. This way, in my ARTIST listings I don't see the hundreds of artists that only appear in compilations. Instead I have a list of "compilations" under artists and if I click on this, I see a listing of all the compilation albums (soundtracks, etc.).

But search this forum on the keyword "compilation" and you'll see lots of very detailed discussion. For example, "Mr. Sinatra" has lots of useful posts. I get what you are saying. I am putting comps under various artists. This works if the individual artist is listed in the song title and the artist is listed as "Various Artist". If it isn't I edit it that way. A lot of work, but I have had only 2 or 3 comps out 50 or more. I will try the recommendation of adding the album artist as "Various Artist".

garym
2011-02-17, 08:48
This works if the individual artist is listed in the song title and the artist is listed as "Various Artist". If it isn't I edit it that way.

this really isn't the way you need to do it (or even a good way as you are losing info from the ARTIST tag). You can easily have the ARTIST tag contain the actual track artist, then have ALBUM ARTIST tag contain "Various Artists" and have COMPILATION set as equal to "1". I have hundreds of compilation CDs and SB deals with these just fine following this approach. I'm not sure what's not working on your end with this approach. (I'm talking about FLAC and mp3 files here, not WMA).

tmauceri
2011-02-17, 09:27
this really isn't the way you need to do it (or even a good way as you are losing info from the ARTIST tag). You can easily have the ARTIST tag contain the actual track artist, then have ALBUM ARTIST tag contain "Various Artists" and have COMPILATION set as equal to "1". I have hundreds of compilation CDs and SB deals with these just fine following this approach. I'm not sure what's not working on your end with this approach. (I'm talking about FLAC and mp3 files here, not WMA).

How do I add a compilation tag with MP3tag?

garym
2011-02-17, 09:32
How do I add a compilation tag with MP3tag?

select the files that constitute the "album", right click, select "extended tags", then click the little "star" icon at the top to the right of the metadata box. This will bring you to the "edit tag info" box. In the field box, click on dropdown and select COMPILATION. If it is not there, just type in COMPILATION for field. Then in the value box enter "1" (without the quotes). then click on OK. Then when back in the regular mp3tag window, be sure to click the SAVE button (upper left icon). This may be needed to save the changes you just made to the tags.

aubuti
2011-02-17, 09:33
How do I add a compilation tag with MP3tag?
1) highlight the tracks you want to edit
2) press Alt-T to bring up the extended tags dialog
3) click on the "new tag" icon (I think it has a star or something like that. Just don't pick the "X" (delete) or the pencil (edit)).
4) in the top part, start typing "Compilation" (no quotes) and it will auto-complete for you.
5) in the bottom part, type the number 1
6) save

You may also want to add the Compilation tag to the list of tags displayed in mp3tag's spreadsheet-like view.

tmauceri
2011-02-17, 11:49
1) highlight the tracks you want to edit
2) press Alt-T to bring up the extended tags dialog
3) click on the "new tag" icon (I think it has a star or something like that. Just don't pick the "X" (delete) or the pencil (edit)).
4) in the top part, start typing "Compilation" (no quotes) and it will auto-complete for you.
5) in the bottom part, type the number 1
6) save

You may also want to add the Compilation tag to the list of tags displayed in mp3tag's spreadsheet-like view.Thanks I'm going to try a test disk. Probably do it on Saturday when I have some time to play around.What does the value 1 do? Does it identify a new tag and associate it with the server or is it some type of priority.

garym
2011-02-17, 12:14
Thanks I'm going to try a test disk. Probably do it on Saturday when I have some time to play around.What does the value 1 do? Does it identify a new tag and associate it with the server or is it some type of priority.

no, the COMPILATION field is just that, another field within a TAG. The fields are things like ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE, etc. The COMPILATION field is just a simple one that is a "flag". If it exists and has the value of 1, this just tells some player (itunes, SbS, etc.) that the track is part of a compilation. So the player knows that the ALBUM, even though it has different artist on the tracks in the album, is in fact an "Album" that should be treated as one Album rather than 15 different albums with 15 different artists with only 1 song each.

aubuti
2011-02-17, 12:42
Thanks I'm going to try a test disk. Probably do it on Saturday when I have some time to play around.What does the value 1 do? Does it identify a new tag and associate it with the server or is it some type of priority.
You're right to do it with a single test album first. The value 1 is simply computer-speak for "true". So if a track has the Compilation tag and the tag has the value 1, that means it is part of a compilation.

tmauceri
2011-02-17, 14:54
no, the COMPILATION field is just that, another field within a TAG. The fields are things like ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE, etc. The COMPILATION field is just a simple one that is a "flag". If it exists and has the value of 1, this just tells some player (itunes, SbS, etc.) that the track is part of a compilation. So the player knows that the ALBUM, even though it has different artist on the tracks in the album, is in fact an "Album" that should be treated as one Album rather than 15 different albums with 15 different artists with only 1 song each.

I would like to understand this better. Is it that each song contains embedded data called a Tag which contains multiple fields. I thought that each field was a seperate tag and that they were associated with the CD as a whole. When my VBA rips a CD it creates 3 extra files besides the flac files. Two are the album art (cover and folder). The third and I am blanking on the extension, I thought contained the CD data or contained the tags.

aubuti
2011-02-17, 16:04
Each file (track) contains a space for metadata, which includes multiple tags. ALBUM is a tag. ARTIST is a tag. TITLE is a tag. YEAR is a tag. DISCNUMBER is a tag (useful for multi-disc sets). And so on. Different types of files (eg, FLAC, MP3) have different standards for tagging. Or you could think of them the way garym described them, as being different fields within a singular tag -- there's a semantic difference but functionally it's the same thing.

When you rip a CD with your VBA it writes the tags in the FLAC files (or MP3 files if that's what you're using). I don't know what the third file is that VBA's ripper creates, but maybe it's a playlist of the album -- if it has a .m3u extension then that's what it is.

You may find these links useful. They don't give the basic explanation you are looking for, so maybe they'll make more sense later.

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_Tagging
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3

JJZolx
2011-02-17, 17:26
I would like to understand this better. Is it that each song contains embedded data called a Tag which contains multiple fields. I thought that each field was a seperate tag and that they were associated with the CD as a whole.

That's correct, although a 'field' is often called a 'tag' (as in "the ARTIST tag"), so it can sometimes be confusing. I'm not sure if 'field' is a universally accepted term, but many people here use Mp3tag as a tag editor and that's the term used internally by that software. With ID3v2 tags, fields are sometimes referred to as 'frames'.

Files can also contain multiple tags. It's common for an Mp3 file, for instance, to have both an ID3v1 tag and an ID3v2 tag (for compatibility reasons), and sometimes even an APEv2 tag. This is less common in other types of files, where most have just one accepted tagging standard.


When my VBA rips a CD it creates 3 extra files besides the flac files. Two are the album art (cover and folder). The third and I am blanking on the extension, I thought contained the CD data or contained the tags.

Some ripping software will create a .m3u file, which is a playlist of the tracks on the CD. In its extended form it does contain some metadata, but it's usually minimal and isn't used by Squeezebox Server as far as I know.

Some ripping software can create a .cue file (or "CUE sheet") which is a detailed description of the CD layout that references the audio files ripped from the CD. These usually also contain CD metadata. CUE sheets have a couple of uses: One is for burning a CD from ripped files. Another is seen when ripping a whole CD to a single audio file. Then the CUE sheet is used to determine track boundaries. CUE sheets _can_ be used by Squeezebox Server for gathering metadata, but usually only for file formats that don't have a tagging standard, such as WAV.

acsgp
2011-02-17, 20:23
The SBT to my router, the VBA to my router, via eithernet cables. I am pretty sure the VBA has to be hardwired to the router to connect to the web for data retrieval and to access the web GUI.

OK, thanks. Prob I have is that the Hi Fi is downstairs, and the router upstairs, so the signal is weak. Thought also that there would be no info lost between the VBA -> SQT -> DAC -> amp if I use the USB connection between the VBS and SQT and the optical out to the DAC.

garym
2011-02-18, 05:22
I would like to understand this better. Is it that each song contains embedded data called a Tag which contains multiple fields. I thought that each field was a seperate tag and that they were associated with the CD as a whole. When my VBA rips a CD it creates 3 extra files besides the flac files. Two are the album art (cover and folder). The third and I am blanking on the extension, I thought contained the CD data or contained the tags.

EACH track contains a TAG. This TAG has lots of different fields (or can have lots of different fields). The fields are things like ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE, ALBUM ARTIST, DATE, COMPILATION, COMMENT, etc. The data within the fields (within the TAG) are referred to as "metadata". The 3 files you see when you rip related to an album are artwork files (two of them) and I'm not sure about the 3rd file (maybe just a log file telling you something about the ripping of the album; I get this with my dbpa rips). But the 3rd file is NOT a tag. The tags are embedded within each song file (track). Open some of your files within mp3tag. Right click on a file and select "extended tags". You'll see all the fields that exist for that particular track. See the wiki on this;

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_Tagging

tmauceri
2011-02-18, 07:46
Each file (track) contains a space for metadata, which includes multiple tags. ALBUM is a tag. ARTIST is a tag. TITLE is a tag. YEAR is a tag. DISCNUMBER is a tag (useful for multi-disc sets). And so on. Different types of files (eg, FLAC, MP3) have different standards for tagging. Or you could think of them the way garym described them, as being different fields within a singular tag -- there's a semantic difference but functionally it's the same thing.

When you rip a CD with your VBA it writes the tags in the FLAC files (or MP3 files if that's what you're using). I don't know what the third file is that VBA's ripper creates, but maybe it's a playlist of the album -- if it has a .m3u extension then that's what it is.

You may find these links useful. They don't give the basic explanation you are looking for, so maybe they'll make more sense later.

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_Tagging
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID3
Thanks it is a .m3u

tmauceri
2011-02-18, 07:47
Some ripping software will create a .m3u file, which is a playlist of the tracks on the CD. In its extended form it does contain some metadata, but it's usually minimal and isn't used by Squeezebox Server as far as I know.

. thanks it is a .m3u

tmauceri
2011-02-18, 07:48
EACH track contains a TAG. This TAG has lots of different fields (or can have lots of different fields). The fields are things like ARTIST, ALBUM, GENRE, ALBUM ARTIST, DATE, COMPILATION, COMMENT, etc. The data within the fields (within the TAG) are referred to as "metadata". The 3 files you see when you rip related to an album are artwork files (two of them) and I'm not sure about the 3rd file (maybe just a log file telling you something about the ripping of the album; I get this with my dbpa rips). But the 3rd file is NOT a tag. The tags are embedded within each song file (track). Open some of your files within mp3tag. Right click on a file and select "extended tags". You'll see all the fields that exist for that particular track. See the wiki on this;

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_TaggingThanks

garym
2011-02-18, 07:49
thanks it is a .m3u

yeah, just a playlist. you can ignore as noted.

tmauceri
2011-02-18, 07:56
OK, thanks. Prob I have is that the Hi Fi is downstairs, and the router upstairs, so the signal is weak. Thought also that there would be no info lost between the VBA -> SQT -> DAC -> amp if I use the USB connection between the VBS and SQT and the optical out to the DAC.

I think the VBA has to be hardwired to the router via ethernet cable.

garym
2011-02-18, 08:00
OK, thanks. Prob I have is that the Hi Fi is downstairs, and the router upstairs, so the signal is weak. Thought also that there would be no info lost between the VBA -> SQT -> DAC -> amp if I use the USB connection between the VBS and SQT and the optical out to the DAC.

yes, as noted, the VBA needs to be connected to your router via ethernet. Forget your idea of TOUCH > USB > VBA. This won't work.

Keep in mind that the VBA could sit next to your router (it doesn't need to be next to your stereo or TOUCH). If the TOUCH can't connect reliably back to your network via WIFI, have you considered either "ethernet over powerline" or "ethernet over CATV (MoCa)". So, for example, you plug a powerline adapter in next to your router and connect to your router with ethernet, and another powerline adapter near your touch. Then you connect your touch via ethernet to the powerline adapter. Now you have ethernet connection between your touch and your router.

agillis
2011-02-18, 08:08
You need to connect the SqueezeBox touch and the VortexBox to your router. If you don't have Ethernet available where your music system is you can put the VortexBox next to your router and the SqueezeBox Touch next to your audio equipment.

If you can't get a good wireless signal in your listening area use HomePlug (Ethernet over Home wiring).

guidof
2011-02-18, 09:59
OK, thanks. Prob I have is that the Hi Fi is downstairs, and the router upstairs, so the signal is weak. .

Before deciding that the signal is weak just because the router is upstairs, try changing the orientation of the router's antenna, especially in the vertical plane (i.e., try pointing the antenna downward). That worked well for me.

Guido F.

tmauceri
2011-02-18, 13:35
I think the VBA has to be hardwired to the router via ethernet cable.I had my cable modem moved from my 2nd floor to my media room on the first floor. Since my TV/cable box was already there it was inexpensive to do. I think it was about $36. This allowed me to hardwire my TV, Oppo BD83, SBT and VBA directly to my router.

acsgp
2011-02-20, 18:57
Thanks for all the replies.

I'm using the airport extreme as my router, with the airport express to extend the range downstairs. So if the signal is weak, I guess I have to buy another airport express to install next to the hi-fi.

alexlark
2011-02-21, 02:02
I've noticed that the SB Touch can be a bit fussy with the WIFI signal. My signal was dropping to abot 30-40% and playback was getting interupted (no other devices using WIFI). I set up another router in the same room as the Touch, configured as an access point and wired into the main router. My signal is now at the 70% mark and playback is flawless :-)

Mnyb
2011-02-21, 05:39
I've noticed that the SB Touch can be a bit fussy with the WIFI signal. My signal was dropping to abot 30-40% and playback was getting interupted (no other devices using WIFI). I set up another router in the same room as the Touch, configured as an access point and wired into the main router. My signal is now at the 70% mark and playback is flawless :-)

yes streaming audio demands continius wifi signal, so it's finicky . for web browsing you would never notice if connection comes in spurts like an empty ketchup bottle .

If you have ethernet cable in the same room why not wire the Touch just split the cable with a switch and wire the Touch too ?

acsgp
2011-02-23, 00:37
Anyone have views on using WinAmp Pro to manage my music files in FLAC format?

alexlark
2011-02-27, 09:55
yes streaming audio demands continius wifi signal, so it's finicky . for web browsing you would never notice if connection comes in spurts like an empty ketchup bottle .

If you have ethernet cable in the same room why not wire the Touch just split the cable with a switch and wire the Touch too ?

I would love to have the Touch hard wired but it's the location. Every other device I use (Wii, WDTV Live, PC etc) is hard wired. I really did use the Touch on WIFI as a last resort. It's been streaming fine with the increase in signal anyway :-)

aubuti
2011-02-27, 15:27
Anyone have views on using WinAmp Pro to manage my music files in FLAC format?
I have used Winamp a little, but not Winamp Pro, and I don't know what extra features Winamp Pro gives you. My brief impression of Winamp is that it's a decent player and "Swiss Army knife" for music library management: it does a lot of things, but none of them especially well. For my management I prefer the following:

Ripping: dBpoweramp (or if you want to stay with freeware, use EAC)
Tagging: mp3tag
Filenames & locations: applications native to the OS (eg, Windows Explorer)

tmauceri
2011-03-20, 11:20
Sitting here listening to the new Lucinda Williams and thought I would update my Squeezebox friends. I've finished ripping my CD collection 1014 as of yesterday, flac of course. I've got my database the way I want. Compilations, soundtracks, classical and christmas in there place. Artwork for every CD. I even ripped my DVD-A discs in 24/96 with DVD Audio Copy. I am very pleased and highly recommend the SBT and VBA combo. Thanks to all who helped me with this endeavor. tmauceri

garym
2011-03-20, 15:12
Sitting here listening to the new Lucinda Williams and thought I would update my Squeezebox friends. I've finished ripping my CD collection 1014 as of yesterday, flac of course. I've got my database the way I want. Compilations, soundtracks, classical and christmas in there place. Artwork for every CD. I even ripped my DVD-A discs in 24/96 with DVD Audio Copy. I am very pleased and highly recommend the SBT and VBA combo. Thanks to all who helped me with this endeavor. tmauceri

Excellent. And I'm a big Lucinda fan!

tmauceri
2011-03-20, 20:47
Excellent. And I'm a big Lucinda fan!

If you like Lucinda, you might like Ryan Bingham he is another Lost Highway artist.

garym
2011-03-21, 04:46
If you like Lucinda, you might like Ryan Bingham he is another Lost Highway artist.

+1. I'm a fan of this sort of music going back to the 60s, starting with The Grateful Dead and "Workingman's Dead", New Riders of the Purple Sage, Flying Burrito Brothers, The Byrds (Sweetheart of the Rodeo album), Buffalo Springfield, Poco, Neil Young, CSN&Y, and most importantly, Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings and their "outlaw" country approach, and Doug Sahm. My indoctrination was seeing "hippie" acts along side of country stuff at the Armadillo World Headquarters in Austin Texas and similar places in Dallas. I'm sure you're familiar, but if not, check out: Townes Van Zandt, Guy Clark, Jimmie Dale Gilmore, Bruce Robison, Joe Ely, Steve Earle, Billy Joe Shaver, Willis Alan Ramsey, Blaze Foley, Robert Earl Keen, Butch Hancock, Gillian Welch, Iris Dement, Ray Wylie Hubbard, James McMurtry, Jimmy LaFave, John Prine, Kasey Chambers, Nanci Griffith, Jerry Jeff Walker (especially, the classic "Viva Terlingua"- I had this on 8-track), Michelle Shocked, Rodney Crowell, Terry Allen (wonderful!!!).....and the list goes on. Great country music, never (or rarely) played on country music radio!

tmauceri
2011-03-21, 11:29
We have some favorites in common. You are more into the country than I, or what I call alt country, real country or country blues. I am familiar with half of the artists you listed. I will give some of the others a listen. One band you didn't list that I really like is The Avett Brothers. They have quite a few CDs, Try Emotionalism or I and Love and You.

garym
2011-03-21, 11:32
We have some favorites in common. You are more into the country than I, or what I call alt country, real country or country blues. I am familiar with half of the artists you listed. I will give some of the others a listen. One band you didn't list that I really like is The Avett Brothers. They have quite a few CDs, Try Emotionalism or I and Love and You.

I've heard of them, but not listened. I'll check it out. Yep, I have to be more into country....born & raised in Texas!

tmauceri
2011-03-21, 14:41
Boston for me. Saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan in 64 (4th Grade), music has been big in my life since.

CharlieG
2011-03-21, 15:21
We have some favorites in common. You are more into the country than I, or what I call alt country, real country or country blues. I am familiar with half of the artists you listed. I will give some of the others a listen. One band you didn't list that I really like is The Avett Brothers. They have quite a few CDs, Try Emotionalism or I and Love and You.

+1 on the Avett Brothers recomendation. I enjoy "I And Love And You" the most but can also recommend "Emotionalism" and "Second Gleam".

tmauceri
2011-03-22, 03:33
Mignonette, also!

Jake72
2011-03-26, 08:21
Hi, I'm new to squeezebox. I bought a Duet just 5 days ago and I think I really like it. Apart from the fact the controller is faulty and I have to return it. I'm tempted to change it for a touch due to the better sound quality. However I do like the controller when it works.

tmauceri
2011-03-27, 04:45
Is anyone using the new Sqeezebox controller app? How does it compare to iPeng?

tmauceri
2011-03-27, 05:19
Is 7.5.3 the latest official firmware version. I was reading there is a 7.6 Beta version. Is the latest version posted somewhere at the Logitech website? Should I update or wait for the next official? I've always done the Beta versions on my Oppo BD83 without problems. Whats the consensus with running Beta on the Touch?

garym
2011-03-27, 05:21
Is 7.5.3 the latest official firmware version. I was reading there is a 7.6 Beta version. Is the latest version posted somewhere at the Logitech website? Should I update or wait for the next official? I've always done the Beta versions on my Oppo BD83 without problems. Whats the consensus with running Beta on the Touch?

I think the latest official is 7.5.4, or it will be in the next day or so.

tmauceri
2011-03-27, 05:21
Hi, I'm new to squeezebox. I bought a Duet just 5 days ago and I think I really like it. Apart from the fact the controller is faulty and I have to return it. I'm tempted to change it for a touch due to the better sound quality. However I do like the controller when it works.
From what I've read the touch is better, but I have no personal experience with the Duet.

Jake72
2011-03-27, 09:24
I decided just to get a replacement duet as we like the controller.

I was wondering does Vortexboc rip FLAC from CD as accurately as EAC? On the vortexbox site it says 'You should use a good IDE or SATA CD or DVD burner. Burners have better laser positioning and you will get better quality rips.'. EAC claims to make perfect rips regardless of the drive using error correction.

Also, what sort of USB soundcard and DAC would be needed to make a vortexbox or other PC sound as good as a squeezebox touch? Or would it be cheaper to use a Vortexbox just to store the music and a squeezebox touch to play the music?

garym
2011-03-27, 09:30
I decided just to get a replacement duet as we like the controller.

I was wondering does Vortexboc rip FLAC from CD as accurately as EAC? On the vortexbox site it says 'You should use a good IDE or SATA CD or DVD burner. Burners have better laser positioning and you will get better quality rips.'. EAC claims to make perfect rips regardless of the drive using error correction.

Also, what sort of USB soundcard and DAC would be needed to make a vortexbox or other PC sound as good as a squeezebox touch? Or would it be cheaper to use a Vortexbox just to store the music and a squeezebox touch to play the music?

I think it is considered a high quality ripper, but it does NOT have accuraterip capabilities. EAC and dbpa both do. I personally use dbpoweramp, although I do have a vortexbox appliance.

Regarding your second question, not sure, but I suspect a second TOUCH is probably just as cheap as a high quality soundcard. And plus it is nice to have your Vortexbox Server sitting in an entirely different place than your listening room.

tmauceri
2011-04-02, 07:14
I just noticed when using iPeng on my iPad the album art is not filling the the whole display anymore. It now fills the bottom 60% of the display. It displays as the whole image plus a portion of the same image mirrored upside down below and with the mirrowed image somewhat greyed out. I prefer this because the image looks crisper, so I'm not complaining. I was wondering if I inadvertly changed a setting to get this type of display, but I can't find where I would do this on iPeng. I did update pluggins on the SBS, would this have done it? How could something on the server change the display on iPeng or am I an idiot?

tmauceri
2011-04-02, 08:39
I just updated my 15 yr old Cambridge Soundworks computer speakers at work with the Logitech THX 2.1 system (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/speakers-audio/home-pc-speakers/devices/7321) at work. I have been using iTunes and the SB player to play MP3s. These new speakers are a big improvement but obviously not real high end. If I went to FLAC at work, using the SB Player do you think I would hear a difference. What if I got a NuForce uDac-2?

toby10
2011-04-02, 14:38
You would probably not hear any difference between FLAC and well ripped MP3's on a $150 computer speaker set.
But as with all things audio it is subjective. It's also easy to try for yourself, rip a couple of FLACS and compare them to their MP3 sibling. ;)

earwaxer9
2011-04-09, 21:41
I havent read all the posts here - My two cents - I would rip to WAV using foobar with SOX SRC (signal rate converter) VHQ linear, converting to 24/96. I would also use a PC and ethernet. A PC has enough power to handle the higher bit rate. Not all converters are the same. I also have dbpoweramp. They use SSRC as a SRC. Not as good in my opinion. Get used to playing with your music!

Gazjam
2011-04-10, 02:49
Can this VHQ linear for SOX be set in the custom.convert.conf for squeezecentre do you know?


thanks.

earwaxer9
2011-04-10, 10:54
Can this VHQ linear for SOX be set in the custom.convert.conf for squeezecentre do you know?


thanks.

I know squeezecenter uses SOX. Not sure how. Maybe a programmer could weigh in on that. I'm curious myself what goes on in my Transporter. I kind of assume that it upsamples everything to at least 24/96. Would like to know what algorithms are used. I upsample my redbook before I send it to the Transporter. I find it sounds better.

tmauceri
2011-04-17, 08:07
I'm back with another, probably dumb, question. I am currently running 7.5.3 on both SBS and SBT. I know the current firmware is 7.5.4. SBS is set to check for new software. How do I download 7.5.4 on the SBS and SBT?

garym
2011-04-17, 08:09
I'm back with another, probably dumb, question. I am currently running 7.5.3 on both SBS and SBT. I know the current firmware is 7.5.4. SBS is set to check for new software. How do I download 7.5.4 on the SBS and SBT?

download SbS from here under my music, then install:

http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download

Install SbS on your computer. Then when you have the Touch connected to your music library (i.e, just normally playing something), the touch will eventually show you a screen that asks to update. click on this menu and it will install then restart automatically.

tmauceri
2011-04-17, 08:28
download SbS from here under my music, then install:

http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download

Install SbS on your computer. Then when you have the Touch connected to your music library (i.e, just normally playing something), the touch will eventually show you a screen that asks to update. click on this menu and it will install then restart automatically.

I have a VBA how do I get there?

garym
2011-04-17, 08:32
Aha! Different then. You just need to update your SbS on VBA. Go to your VBA web access screen (GUI). One of the icons there (maybe open box at the bottom left (I'm not at home or I could look). One of the options is to update SbS I think. Do this and it will download and update. I'm not sure if they have the official 7.5.4 for Vortexbox setup to update yet. If not, you might just wait a few days and then you can do it.

Ron Olsen
2011-04-17, 08:43
SBS 7.5.4 has been available in the VortexBox repository for several days now:

1. In your browser, go to the VB web page at http://vortexbox.

2. Click on the Upgrade icon (box on lower left).

3. On the Upgrade page, click the "Start Upgrade" button.

4. Your VBA will be upgraded to all the latest packages, including SBS 7.5.4.

garym
2011-04-17, 08:46
SBS 7.5.4 has been available in the VortexBox repository for several days now:

1. In your browser, go to the VB web page at http://vortexbox.

2. Click on the Upgrade icon (box on lower left).

3. On the Upgrade page, click the "Start Upgrade" button.

4. Your VBA will be upgraded to all the latest packages, including SBS 7.5.4.

Ron, is there a way to update to 7.5.4 if I'm still running Vortexbox 1.5. I'm on 7.5.2 at the moment as I haven't gotten around to moving stuff so I can connect a monitor and keyboard to my VBA for the 1.8 update (and i'm a bit nervous about it as I have a 6TB VBA (3 2TB disks) and I'm concerned that something wacky will happen in the 1.5 > 1.8 update (and Andrew notes that reinstalling with the ISO for 1.8 is not standard for my 6TB setup...additional stuff required). thanks for any info.

tmauceri
2011-04-17, 10:54
Thanks to all. Did the upgrade via the VBA GUI. Then the SBT prompted me to update.

Ron Olsen
2011-04-17, 12:38
Ron, is there a way to update to 7.5.4 if I'm still running Vortexbox 1.5. I'm on 7.5.2 at the moment as I haven't gotten around to moving stuff so I can connect a monitor and keyboard to my VBA for the 1.8 update (and i'm a bit nervous about it as I have a 6TB VBA (3 2TB disks) and I'm concerned that something wacky will happen in the 1.5 > 1.8 update (and Andrew notes that reinstalling with the ISO for 1.8 is not standard for my 6TB setup...additional stuff required). thanks for any info.

Since you're on VB 1.5, which is based on Fedora 11, you have several choices for upgrading to SBS 7.5.4:

1. Stay on Fedora 11 and VB 1.5 and upgrade to the official Slim Devices SBS 7.5.4:

Login to your VortexBox; see http://info.vortexbox.org/tiki-index.php?page=Login.

Then enter


rpm -Uvh http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeboxServer_v7.5.4/squeezeboxserver-7.5.4-1.noarch.rpm

This is the simplest solution, but you won't have all the new features in VB 1.8, like DVD ripping.

2. Upgrade to Fedora 14 and VB 1.8 using the command-line upgrade; see http://vortexbox.org/documentation/how-do-i-update-my-vortexbox-from-version-1-5-to-the-current-release/

This will preserve all your SBS settings, plugins, etc. but you can run into problems. After the upgrade, you'll have SBS 7.5.4 from the VortexBox repository. If you run into trouble, post on the VortexBox forum and we'll try to help. This in-place upgrade from Fedora 11 to Fedora 14 is not always an error-free process.

3. Upgrade to Fedora 14 and VB 1.8 doing a clean install from the iso; see http://vortexbox.org/documentation/vortexbox-quick-install-guide/.

You'll have to figure out what additional steps are needed because of your 6TB setup.

Backup all your SBS settings, plugins, and playlists to another computer before you start, and restore them after the upgrade, or else you'll lose them. After the install, you can upgrade to the latest VB code and pick up SBS 7.5.4 from the VortexBox repository. You'll also have to restore your VBA media library from the backup.

If you choose 2. or 3., be sure to have a complete backup of your VBA media library before you start.

garym
2011-04-17, 19:18
Since you're on VB 1.5, which is based on Fedora 11, you have several choices for upgrading to SBS 7.5.4:

1. Stay on Fedora 11 and VB 1.5 and upgrade to the official Slim Devices SBS 7.5.4:

Login to your VortexBox; see http://info.vortexbox.org/tiki-index.php?page=Login.

Then enter


rpm -Uvh http://downloads.slimdevices.com/SqueezeboxServer_v7.5.4/squeezeboxserver-7.5.4-1.noarch.rpm

This is the simplest solution, but you won't have all the new features in VB 1.8, like DVD ripping.

Thanks Ron. Worked perfectly and now I'm on 7.5.4 and all my players have updated firmware. I'm going to tackle the 1.5 > 1.8 update, but wanted to wait for a bit of time to play with it, just in case.

tmauceri
2011-04-23, 10:38
I m not a big playlist guy. I like to listen to a whole CD so I have not created many playlists. Last week I created 2 playlists and saved them using iPeng. This week I went to play one and they were both gone. I have a SBT and VBA.

tmauceri
2011-05-29, 11:10
I want to sync my SBT playing in 2 zones of my house with iPeng on my iPad connected to a Bose Dock on the patio. I know I have seen sync somewhere but now can't find it now. Can anyone give me a clue?