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moof
2010-11-06, 08:56
Hi,

would someone please be so kind to post a screenshot of the browsing the music folder structure screen for the two apps?

If possible please also post a screenshot of a album without a cover art.

I am not sure which app to buy. My collection has some missing tags and covers. Therefore I am interested how this would look like in both apps.

Many thanks
moof

pippin
2010-11-06, 09:20
In iPeng there's a difference between a folder that only contains tracks and no subfolders which is then handled like an album or a higher-level folder with subfolders.
The screen shots are portrait but this works similarly in landscape just with a wider right hand window.

Higher-Level folder
http://tapa.tk/mu/5cce6333-7fd7-be48.jpg
"album-folder"
http://tapa.tk/mu/5cce6333-8009-a49c.jpg
Missing artwork
http://tapa.tk/mu/5cce6333-8023-6b65.jpg
Missing artwork in folder structure
http://tapa.tk/mu/5cce6333-803e-91f9.jpg

moof
2010-11-06, 09:36
Thanks a lot pippin!

The screenshots provide a very good impression.
Is the folder "Musikordner" in the top level navigation?

Greetings to Berlin

flattermann
2010-11-06, 10:55
Thanks a lot pippin!

The screenshots provide a very good impression.
Is the folder "Musikordner" in the top level navigation?

Yes it is.

And the top level menu (Artists, Albums, ..., Music Folders,...) is always visible on the left.
Ok, except in Screensaver mode... :-)

pippin
2010-11-06, 10:55
Yes, "Musikordner" which is "Mysic Folder" is in the top level. What you see on the left hand side is always the top-level menu, the navigation through lower-level menus is on the right hand side.
iPeng keeps the menu tree for all top-level menus so if you go to e.g. "My Apps" and then come back to "Music Folder" you'll be on the same level in the music folder hierarchy as before.

Ooops, now flattermann beat me to it...

bluegaspode
2010-11-06, 11:08
For Squeezepad why not just watch a video on YouTube ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc1TqeUJlC4

There are more pictures and text (german and english) on my website, just follow the link below in my signature.

moof
2010-11-06, 11:09
Yes, "Musikordner" which is "Mysic Folder" is in the top level. What you see on the left hand side is always the top-level menu, the navigation through lower-level menus is on the right hand side.
iPeng keeps the menu tree for all top-level menus so if you go to e.g. "My Apps" and then come back to "Music Folder" you'll be on the same level in the music folder hierarchy as before.

Ooops, now flattermann beat me to it...

Thank you for the confirmation flattermann amd pippin. :)
Beeing able to have both top-level and sub-level menues open at the same time is exactly what I want.
Is that also possible with SqueezePad?

Cheers

moof
2010-11-06, 11:13
For Squeezepad why not just watch a video on YouTube ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc1TqeUJlC4

There are more pictures and text (german and english) on my website, just follow the link below in my signature.

Awesome video! I like the the clean design of Squeezepad.

moof
2010-11-06, 12:20
So in Squeezepad all navigation levels always stay in the left side pane?

Hmmm, I still dont know which app to buy. Is there maybe a feature by feature comparison availible?

Cheers
moof

flattermann
2010-11-06, 12:23
So in Squeezepad all navigation levels always stay in the left side pane?

Hmmm, I still dont know which app to buy. Is there maybe a feature by feature comparison availible?

If you can't decide, just buy both of them. :-)
Both are very good, so it's just a matter of taste which one you prefer...

moof
2010-11-06, 12:28
Yes, the app itself, speed of innovation and the great support in this forum would in fact justify that. :-)

bluegaspode
2010-11-06, 15:14
Yes, the app itself, speed of innovation and the great support in this forum would in fact justify that. :-)

I agree :-D

As to navigation: yes the left hand pane has all the menus you know from the Squeezebox. The video by the way doesn't show the playlist, which slides in from the right (you can see that on a screenshot on my website)
A future version will have a button to dismiss the pane with the main menu, the cover area will then move to the left.

Then you can choose to see either:
- main menu and cover
- cover and playlist
- main menu and playlist (and not much of the cover)
and of course switch between all these modes quite fast.

1st + 3rd option is available already today. 2nd as described, when the main menu can be dismissed in a future version.

moof
2010-11-07, 01:07
Thank you for the explanation Stefan.

Just purchase iPeng for iPad, mainly because of the two column menue navigation.
I hope pippin is working on the stabilty as it crashed once at the first start and twice during nagigation through the menues.

Cheers

pippin
2010-11-07, 02:13
Thank you for the explanation Stefan.

Just purchase iPeng for iPad, mainly because of the two column menue navigation.
I hope pippin is working on the stabilty as it crashed once at the first start and twice during nagigation through the menues.

Cheers

Anything you can reproduce (crashes)? There are two I know about and I do already have fixes for: one at startup and one where iPeng will crash when you "hold" an item in the playlist screen saver (you select an item in that list by double-clicking to avoid accidental invocation).

moof
2010-11-07, 02:57
Anything you can reproduce (crashes)? There are two I know about and I do already have fixes for: one at startup and one where iPeng will crash when you "hold" an item in the playlist screen saver (you select an item in that list by double-clicking to avoid accidental invocation).

1. At first startup
2. When doing a radio channel search
3. When switching to mysqueezebox service

No, I havent been able to reproduce it.
Each incident just happened once until now.

Apart from that your app is hammergeil. :-)

pippin
2010-11-07, 03:41
I just checked my crash reports on iTunes Connect and there was only a single one - for the startup issue I already fixed by now.
Please allow crash reports to be collected and sent to Apple to help debugging software.
(I believe your crashes would not yet show up, I think there's a delay of at least a day after syncing the reports anyway).

browellm
2010-11-07, 09:12
Hmmm, I still dont know which app to buy.

Buy both. Support these guys as they do an amazing job for the community.

May sound daft to have two apps but in my case it works well. My wife likes to use Squeezepad, as it is a simple, no nonsense interface. I like iPeng and like to think of it as the power user's choice.

cjfreitag
2010-11-07, 09:56
I've got both, and each has its advantages. Of the two I think Squeezebox is the more attractive app (caveat: I am using them on the iPad, but I do NOT have dedicated iPad version of iPeng).

My issue with Squeezebox is that it only seems to function in landscape mode.

pippin
2010-11-07, 10:36
You can't compare iPeng for iPhone and iPeng for iPad on the iPad, it's really two quite different user interfaces, have a look at the screen shots on penguinlovesmusic.de
It works very well in portrait, too :)

cjfreitag
2010-11-07, 11:30
After my last post I felt guilty so I went ahead and got Ipeng HD. I take it all back. On the cosmetic side iPeng is just as attractive, and I like the option of using it in portrait mode. I'll use both for a couple of weeks and then decide if there is a reason to keep them both on the iPad.

bluegaspode
2010-11-07, 18:24
My wife likes to use Squeezepad, as it is a simple, no nonsense interface.
Haha - this is how it all started ... my wife refusing to use iPeng and preferring the Logitech Controller. That's how SqueezePad was born.

pippin
2010-11-07, 18:56
Haha - this is how it all started ... my wife refusing to use iPeng and preferring the Logitech Controller. That's how SqueezePad was born.

Did she now try iPeng for iPad.... I mean, after all, you don't have to swipe anymore :D

bluegaspode
2010-11-08, 00:57
Still too many buttons that either are in the way or that she doesn't find.
She likes the volume sliders on each player though (even if we never listen to music in two rooms at once :) )

PietB
2010-11-08, 06:34
I use them both, Ipeng and Squeezepad has their own fine advantages.

Now since today I use a usb-stick 32 Gb and Ipeng find automatically the squeezebox server of the USB, Squeezepad don't ?
(or am I doing something wrong ? )

And do you know perhaps how to upgrade from 7.5.2 to 7.6 nightly build for the tinysb server ?

pippin
2010-11-08, 06:38
And do you know perhaps how to upgrade from 7.5.2 to 7.6 nightly build for the tinysb server ?

I believe you'd need to install an external server (7.6), e.g. on a PC, and connect the touch to it. It will then ask to update to the latest 7.6 FW and there you go.
You should not connect it to MySB afterwards (or it will ask to install 7.5.1 again) but you can connect it back to itself.

PietB
2010-11-08, 06:46
I believe you'd need to install an external server (7.6), e.g. on a PC, and connect the touch to it. It will then ask to update to the latest 7.6 FW and there you go.
You should not connect it to MySB afterwards (or it will ask to install 7.5.1 again) but you can connect it back to itself.

You're right, I remember now; I read about it somewhere. (so much info on the forums)

bluegaspode
2010-11-08, 07:49
Now since today I use a usb-stick 32 Gb and Ipeng find automatically the squeezebox server of the USB, Squeezepad don't ?
(or am I doing something wrong ? )
SqueezePad indeed - currently - needs you to configure your server-address manually once. But that's not too complicated, one has just to lookup the values from the Squeezebox. There is also a short tutorial about that on my website FAQ (http://www.squeezepad.com/faq/)

Anyway - we currently just need to wait for Apples review, than SqueezePad will find the server automatically too.

PietB
2010-11-08, 09:10
SqueezePad indeed - currently - needs you to configure your server-address manually once. But that's not too complicated, one has just to lookup the values from the Squeezebox. There is also a short tutorial about that on my website FAQ (http://www.squeezepad.com/faq/)

Anyway - we currently just need to wait for Apples review, than SqueezePad will find the server automatically too.

Ok thanks, got it ! And of course waiting for the update....

moof
2010-11-08, 12:13
Do both apps support iOS 4.2 Multitasking already?

Cheers

pippin
2010-11-08, 12:59
iPeng does.

bluegaspode
2010-11-08, 13:07
Do both apps support iOS 4.2 Multitasking already?

Cheers
Apple just released the final version of their SDK last week.
SqueezePad support multitasking as well with the next update - so right in time when the firmware will officially be released on iPad

gorman
2010-11-09, 08:11
You can't compare iPeng for iPhone and iPeng for iPad on the iPad, it's really two quite different user interfaces, have a look at the screen shots on penguinlovesmusic.de
It works very well in portrait, too :)I bought both editions. To be honest I currently feel that the iPhone version has a sleeker interface.

Accessing the players window controls requires more precision than on iPhone (tiny button hunting vs. swiping pretty much anywhere on the screen), for instance.

pippin
2010-11-09, 09:19
I bought both editions. To be honest I currently feel that the iPhone version has a sleeker interface.

Accessing the players window controls requires more precision than on iPhone (tiny button hunting vs. swiping pretty much anywhere on the screen), for instance.

I agree I'm not particularly happy with the design of that title bar but too many people didn't like the swiping. I believe I will probably move some controls out there, eventually.
BTW, the button is by no means tiny, it's the whole area right of that "drop down" arrow, at least 400x60 pixel, I believe. I usually tap on the player name.

neilcoburn
2010-11-10, 09:36
I have both, and still haven't made my mind up. One thing, though - is it just me - Squeezepad seems faster (to load lists and artwork etc) than iPeng? Is that inevitable, given iPeng is more feature rich, or could something be done to make it a bit snappier?

pippin
2010-11-10, 09:44
I have both, and still haven't made my mind up. One thing, though - is it just me - Squeezepad seems faster (to load lists and artwork etc) than iPeng? Is that inevitable, given iPeng is more feature rich, or could something be done to make it a bit snappier?

How long have you used iPeng?
iPeng will slow down the server a bit until you have loaded the artwork the first time because it doesn't use the same tiny thumbnails SqueezePlay uses.
That will go away after each thumbnail has been resized and only has to be redone whenever you do a full clear&rescan of your library on the server side.

Another difference is album loading: iPeng loads the artist name along with the album which is slow in server versions up to 7.5.x.

For both issues using SBS 7.6 helps a lot.

Last but not least there's loading of the current playlist. With a truely large current playlist this can put a _lot_ of load on the server. I don't know exactly why that is, but SBS seems to be particularly slow in processing this and iPeng always loads the whole list in the background.

Apart from that there is a number of cases in which iPeng is actually faster than SqueezePlay. Especially loading longer tables iPeng will show content much sooner because it doesn't wait for the whole list to be available.

hvb83
2010-11-16, 08:07
Both apps have their pros and cons.

Since Squeezepad has been around somewhat longer, it's been tweaked more to suite the input provided by users. I very much love the playlist that can popup without changing the whole screen and there are more things that have just been thought through very well.

With iPeng for iPad we're still at the first release, perhaps with a few bugs fixed in an update, but no new functionality added after that. It looks great, better that SP, but perhaps because of the outstanding quality of iPeng for iPhone I had expected something more already. Some functions are just confusing when you're used to the iPhone-version.

I feel it's just too early to give a balanced verdict as to what app is best. Both are good, though they both aren't great yet, but both developers do have the potential to bring it to that level.

pippin
2010-11-16, 08:32
Some functions are just confusing when you're used to the iPhone-version.

Which ones?

whoosh
2010-11-16, 11:34
The biggest thing holding Squeezepad back is the lack of portrait mode. This makes it not feasible to use Squeezepad while the iPad is docked in its stand.

I do have both iPeng and squeezepad - I'm happy to support both developers that are supportive of this community. :)

cjfreitag
2010-11-16, 12:15
I have both of them as well. But for what it is worth, iPeng is now residing in the dock alongside Safari, Mail, iTunes, and Things. I use it that often....

linvale
2010-11-16, 13:27
Having lived with both for the past month I can say that they each do a fine job - I find myself alternating in opinion as to which I like best. There remains something magical about the large album art work and te ease of control that results from this larger tactile interface. My thanks to both the authors - and let the healthy competition continue,we can only benefit as consumers!

bluegaspode
2010-11-16, 13:54
The biggest thing holding Squeezepad back is the lack of portrait mode. This makes it not feasible to use Squeezepad while the iPad is docked in its stand.

Are you even navigating the menu while it's in the Dock?
I always use SqueezePad from the sofa - only when the playlist is ready I put it in the dock in screensafer mode which then supports portrait and with the new version also simple skipping or volume changes.



I find myself alternating in opinion as to which I like best.


Hehe - guess we both will do our best to keep you in this state :D

whoosh
2010-11-16, 18:21
Are you even navigating the menu while it's in the Dock?
I always use SqueezePad from the sofa - only when the playlist is ready I put it in the dock in screensafer mode which then supports portrait and with the new version also simple skipping or volume changes.

I work from a home office, so I can have music on whenever I'm not on the phone. I keep my iPad docked at my desk, so I would absolutey use the menus with it in the dock. :)

Why Steve didn't put a docking jack on the side of the iPad is a mystery. I use landscape orientation on my I* devices 90% or more of the time.

bluegaspode
2010-11-17, 05:23
I use landscape orientation on my I* devices 90% or more of the time.
Yeah - that was the result of an informal poll I had some time ago and that's why I focused on landscape first.

By the way - I do have a stand similar to one of those:
http://www.amazon.com/Acase-Deluxe-Leather-multi-view-Folio/dp/B003OSR6E8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1289995944&sr=8-8
http://www.amazon.com/Bear-Motion-Genuine-Leather-built-/dp/B003ZUIHY8/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1289995944&sr=8-12

So if one generally does not like portrait also for all the other Apps (like me), just dump the Apple Dock :)

pippin
2010-11-17, 05:45
So if one generally does not like portrait also for all the other Apps (like me)

Hah. Here you see the little differences. I use it >90% in portrait. Trying SqueezePad is about the olny reason for me to turn it around. And I'm sure there are other who do so, too.

I believe it's a question of what you are used to. Most people are used to landscape mode screens from their computer so they hold the iPad in landscape, too.

I still sometimes read newspapers and magazines and book (portrait) and even have a portrait mode main screen in my office so I prefer portrait.
Apple shows most of their stuff in portrait, btw., and I also believe long-term people will use that more often. After all, most content is arranged in lists so you can use the screen space more efficiently that way.

bluegaspode
2010-11-17, 07:05
We had this discussion here already: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74581&page=22

My impression was that portrait was the minority.

Anyway - anyone that prefers portrait most of the time currently won't get happy with SqueezePad. Portrait as said is only supported while in screensaver mode right now which for me is good enough when having it an a dock.

If anyone has a good proposal how SqueezePad would be as nice looking in portrait as it does now in landscape, raise your voice.

KiwiBobs
2010-11-18, 17:39
My preference is for portrait. You can fit more info on the screen and the playing now screen that displays the big album art does not get truncated.

PietB
2010-11-18, 22:19
my preference is for portrait. You can fit more info on the screen and the playing now screen that displays the big album art does not get truncated.

+ 1

whoosh
2010-11-19, 13:51
We had this discussion here already: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74581&page=22

My impression was that portrait was the minority.

Anyway - anyone that prefers portrait most of the time currently won't get happy with SqueezePad. Portrait as said is only supported while in screensaver mode right now which for me is good enough when having it an a dock.

If anyone has a good proposal how SqueezePad would be as nice looking in portrait as it does now in landscape, raise your voice.
As a developer I certainly won't trivialize the work required to have a nice UI presentation for a program, especially not being at all familiar with the IOS API or toolkit. However, it's not that difficult to see the range of options for folders, lists, and reading panes offered in mail programs such as Outlook or Thunderbird. Surely some form of layout along those lines could be found to work for this application.

digitalknight
2010-11-28, 09:02
I am looking at getting one or both of these apps... which one handles Pandora or Slacker Radio the best? I find I am using those more and more these days.

Any screen shots of Pandora in use on the iPad with either of these apps?

pippin
2010-11-28, 10:59
I think there will not be a lot of differences on Pandora. iPeng will show bigger images of artist and stations and it does have shortcut buttons on the home screen and the screen saver for like and ban.

I believe these are the only differences.
I'm not sure right now but there might be a Pandora screen shot on penguinlovesmusic.de

bluegaspode
2010-11-28, 11:13
Nothing to add.
Pandora menus are driven by the server, so both Apps will integrate them into their normal menu and UI styles but in the end they will behave the same.

digitalknight
2010-11-30, 17:41
I think there will not be a lot of differences on Pandora. iPeng will show bigger images of artist and stations and it does have shortcut buttons on the home screen and the screen saver for like and ban.

I believe these are the only differences.
I'm not sure right now but there might be a Pandora screen shot on penguinlovesmusic.de

So both have like and ban or just iPeng as I would like to have that feature and does it have it for Slacker Radio as well?

Also can they both stream them from mysqueeze.com or does the server have to be running on the PC/MAC at all times?

pippin
2010-11-30, 18:02
Both have the love and ban feature but only iPeng has dedicated buttons for it, in SqueezePad you have to go through the context menu.

Both work with MySB.

digitalknight
2010-12-01, 16:35
I take it neither one has a trial period? If I buy both and hate one of them can I return it / get a refund?

If I get a new iPad down the road (like next April when V2 comes out) can I move the app to the new device?

flattermann
2010-12-01, 16:43
I take it neither one has a trial period? If I buy both and hate one of them can I return it / get a refund?

No, I don't think so.


If I get a new iPad down the road (like next April when V2 comes out) can I move the app to the new device?

Yes, as long as you use the same iTunes account.
You can install your bought apps on up to 5 (?) devices.

pippin
2010-12-01, 16:47
No trial periods, discounts or anything on App Store. It's got a simple business model: free or full price.
Updates, for example, are free.


You can install your bought apps on up to 5 (?) devices.
I always thought so but I recently added a 6th one and I could still put all my Apps onto it so it's probably either no limit at all or a different one.

pippin
2010-12-01, 16:49
If I get a new iPad down the road (like next April when V2 comes out) can I move the app to the new device?

OK. Now you plan to spend 500$ on an iPad.
And then you plan to spend another 500$ on another iPad next April.

And you seriously caring about whether you can afford two Apps at $10 each?

digitalknight
2010-12-01, 17:12
OK. Now you plan to spend 500$ on an iPad.
And then you plan to spend another 500$ on another iPad next April.

And you seriously caring about whether you can afford two Apps at $10 each?

;-)

Not really... but hey... did you not hear... times are tough.... moneys tight...etc...

As for the 2nd iPad, my 15yo daughter has started asking for an iPad so it would really be purchasing her a used gift???? Of course I will have to sell my Swan Diva 5.1 tower speakers to pay for the new iPad.... anyone looking for a pair of nice speakers? ;-)

I did purchase both apps and I am messing around with them both at this very moment.

I will report back my finding for others out there in the same position that I was in being torn between these two apps.

Also I I found this older thread that talks about Squeezecast for the iphone/ipod
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82702&page=2

and it said it could be a good way to use the iPad as a SBplayer using iPeng as the GUI once 4.2 multi-tasking came about... well multi-tasking is here... has anyone tested it out or am I going to have to shell out an additional $6 to be the guinea pig? I am going to have to sell some of my other electronics laying around to pay for all these apps! Anyone looking for a Sirius Stiletto cheap?? ;-)

pippin
2010-12-01, 17:20
and it said it could be a good way to use the iPad as a SBplayer using iPeng as the GUI once 4.2 multi-tasking came about... well multi-tasking is here... has anyone tested it out or am I going to have to shell out an additional $6 to be the guinea pig? I am going to have to sell some of my other electronics laying around to pay for all these apps! Anyone looking for a Sirius Stiletto cheap?? ;-)

Well, if you can hold your breath for a while...Maybe... Or maybe not... Who knows...

Anyway. I use SqueezeCast on my iPod and iPhone (haven't used it on the iPad yet, iPad's just too bug to carry around for listening).
It works. It crashes from time to time and it's quite inconvenient (you have to start playing something on Squeezecast to be able to run it in the background) and it's UI doesn't work at all with my SBS 7.6 beta server... but when it works, it works well.

simonjedrake
2010-12-02, 06:51
Anyway. I use SqueezeCast on my iPod and iPhone (haven't used it on the iPad yet, iPad's just too bug to carry around for listening).


I can also confirm that Squeezecast works pretty well on my iPhone/iPad/iPods which has never given me any problems

sferrari63
2011-04-20, 01:05
I've used iPeng on my iPhone for a long time and was generally pretty happy with it. My biggest issue is that I find the interface for adding songs to a playlist a bit confusing (single song vs. whole album, replace playlist vs. insert next vs. add to end), but I think that's largely my problem, and would probably go away if I paid more attention.

I've been using the iPhone version on the iPad recently as well and it works fine, but I thought I might get a better experience with something designed specifically for the iPad. After reading here and in other places on the web I decided to go for the SqueezePad. It seems to work fine, but I find the interface a bit frustrating for two reasons. First, the sliding transitions feel slow; I prefer the quick response of iPeng. Second, I use "search" a lot, and I like the way iPeng gives the results for artists, albums, and songs immediately, vs. SqueezePad which makes you choose which category you want to search.

Not showstoppers, I might find I prefer other aspects of SqueezePad, and it's only $10, but I figured I'd pass along these points in case they're important to other shoppers or the developer.