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traut
2010-06-23, 15:26
I have absolutely no experience using NAS, but I saw this little puppy on Woot. I was wondering if I could take it and my USB external HDD (which is where my library's currently stored), and set up a standalone server so that I could listen to my tunes w/out the PC running. I am a complete newb, so this process would have to be fairly straightforward. But the thing's only $20 plus shipping, so I figured it's worth a shot if it can be done. Here are the specs: http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/network_storage/freeagent_dockstar/#tTabContentOverview

Thanks in advance for any help!
traut

aubuti
2010-06-23, 18:52
Basic specs like CPU and RAM are conspicuously absent from the product data sheet on the web site, but I very seriously doubt this device has the resources needed to run Squeezebox Server. These are usually very closed systems, so as a "complete newb" you probably wouldn't be able to get under the covers to install other software anyway.

For a little more money you may want to consider a Sheevaplug. It's the same idea, but with enough horsepower to run SBS, and a very well-blazed trail for installation of SBS.

fragfutter
2010-06-24, 00:55
If i remember it correctly it's an 1.2 GHz armv5 and 512MB Flash (same as sheevaplug, same SoC) but only 128MB Ram. Ram is an issue.

arris
2010-06-24, 10:00
Dockstar is essentially a Sheevaplug with 128MB RAM, no real-time clock, and an added 4-port usb hub (comparison (http://plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Portal:Hardware)). A full-blown Linux can be run on it (tutorial (http://ahsoftware.de/dockstar/)) but the bootloader needs to be tweaked and chances are you brick the device if something goes wrong. Apparently this is also the reason why Debian's ARM distribution does not officially support (http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html) the Dockstar. Once you got Linux running though, SBS works perfectly fine, i've got it running on mine without any issues.

So yes it can be done, but no its not straightforward. If you know a bit of Linux and are willing to tinker with it and take the risk of bricking, it's not all that hard. Otherwise, I would think that the Sheevaplug is the safer way to go.

traut
2010-06-24, 10:41
Yeah, I did see quite a bit about the Sheeva mentioned in this forum. I just thought if something similar was in place for this device, it might be worth the $80 savings. I'll have to read a bit more about the Sheevaplug, but it looks like a great option.

Thanks!

Legolas
2010-07-04, 10:09
Dockstar is essentially a Sheevaplug with 128MB RAM, no real-time clock, and an added 4-port usb hub (comparison (http://plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Portal:Hardware)). A full-blown Linux can be run on it (tutorial (http://ahsoftware.de/dockstar/)) but the bootloader needs to be tweaked and chances are you brick the device if something goes wrong. Apparently this is also the reason why Debian's ARM distribution does not officially support (http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/plugs.html) the Dockstar. Once you got Linux running though, SBS works perfectly fine, i've got it running on mine without any issues.

So yes it can be done, but no its not straightforward. If you know a bit of Linux and are willing to tinker with it and take the risk of bricking, it's not all that hard. Otherwise, I would think that the Sheevaplug is the safer way to go.

Hi Arris
I currently already have the IonicsPlug (Same as SheevaPlug) but am
interested in the Dockstar. It is now available for $25 at Buy.com.
<http://www.buy.com/prod/seagate-freeagent-dockstar-network-adapter/q/loc/101/211974310.html>


If I can get my current setup w/ SBS on Dockstar plus the ability to get access to my
files w/ a supported GUI etc seem great.

Can you elaborate what are the minimum steps required to get SBS running,
and what version of SBS you are running. Most importantly, would like to
know if the PogoPlug App on your phone would still work.

(To the best of my knowledge I cannot have pogoplug app w/ Sheeva/Ionics Plug)

arris
2010-07-05, 11:58
If I can get my current setup w/ SBS on Dockstar plus the ability to get access to my
files w/ a supported GUI etc seem great.

Can you elaborate what are the minimum steps required to get SBS running,
and what version of SBS you are running. Most importantly, would like to
know if the PogoPlug App on your phone would still work.


I basically followed Alexander Holler's tutorial linked above to setup Gentoo Linux and then installed SBS 7.5.1 from Gentoo's software repository. This method requires the serial cable described in the tutorial and some familiarity with Gentoo Linux. Debian can be installed in a similar way but also needs the serial cable.

A simpler method for installing Linux that does not need a cable is described on plugapps.com (http://plugapps.com/index.php5?title=PlugApps:Pogoplug_Setboot). Supposedly SBS 7.5 (http://plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Application:Squeezebox_Server) can be run with this setup (I have not tried this though).

Both of the above methods, if done correctly, go side-by-side with the original software on the Dockstar, but you have to decide at boot time if you want to run the internal software (including pogoplug) or the modified Linux installation (usually from a USB flash drive). So it is not possible to have pogoplug service and SBS running at the same time.

There is another setup called OpenPogo (http://plugapps.com/index.php5?title=OpenPogo:Installing_Base_Package_-_USB) described on plugapps.com that adds some infrastructure to the existing Dockstar software, so that additional programs can be run along with the pogoplug service. Unfortunately the original Linux kernel on the Dockstar is outdated and lacks functionality, so that the choice of software that works this way is very limited. I do not know if a version of SBS can be made to work this way, but this report (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/PogoPlug) does not make me confident.

Personally I have no interest in ever using pogoplug on any of my Dockstars, so I'm perfectly happy with Alexander's great tutorial ;)

Legolas
2010-07-05, 15:14
I basically followed Alexander Holler's tutorial linked above to setup Gentoo Linux and then installed SBS 7.5.1 from Gentoo's software repository. This method requires the serial cable described in the tutorial and some familiarity with Gentoo Linux. Debian can be installed in a similar way but also needs the serial cable.

A simpler method for installing Linux that does not need a cable is described on plugapps.com (http://plugapps.com/index.php5?title=PlugApps:Pogoplug_Setboot). Supposedly SBS 7.5 (http://plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Application:Squeezebox_Server) can be run with this setup (I have not tried this though).

Both of the above methods, if done correctly, go side-by-side with the original software on the Dockstar, but you have to decide at boot time if you want to run the internal software (including pogoplug) or the modified Linux installation (usually from a USB flash drive). So it is not possible to have pogoplug service and SBS running at the same time.

There is another setup called OpenPogo (http://plugapps.com/index.php5?title=OpenPogo:Installing_Base_Package_-_USB) described on plugapps.com that adds some infrastructure to the existing Dockstar software, so that additional programs can be run along with the pogoplug service. Unfortunately the original Linux kernel on the Dockstar is outdated and lacks functionality, so that the choice of software that works this way is very limited. I do not know if a version of SBS can be made to work this way, but this report (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/PogoPlug) does not make me confident.

Personally I have no interest in ever using pogoplug on any of my Dockstars, so I'm perfectly happy with Alexander's great tutorial ;)

Thanks Arris. I have SBS running on Ionics Plug and am happy w/ it. Would be great to have Tonido/Pogoplug type of functionality available too. Do you
happen to know if OpenPogo works on Sheeva/Ionics Plug?

arris
2010-07-05, 16:20
Thanks Arris. I have SBS running on Ionics Plug and am happy w/ it. Would be great to have Tonido/Pogoplug type of functionality available too. Do you
happen to know if OpenPogo works on Sheeva/Ionics Plug?

As far as I understand OpenPogo does not replace Pogoplug client but only extends it. So you would have to have a Dockstar or Pogoplug device to begin with. I think Tonido sells an embedded license of their software that should work on a Sheeva/Ionics.

Legolas
2010-07-05, 21:49
As far as I understand OpenPogo does not replace Pogoplug client but only extends it. So you would have to have a Dockstar or Pogoplug device to begin with. I think Tonido sells an embedded license of their software that should work on a Sheeva/Ionics.

I see. Thanks for answering my questions.

arris
2010-08-11, 15:09
Just as a follow-up, there's a new tutorial available for installing Debian on the Dockstar:
http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/

It looks pretty straightforward and does not require opening the device. I'd imagine once you got Debian up and running you could install SBS the same way you would on a Sheevaplug (e.g. as described in the Squeezeplug Wiki).

ndrake
2010-10-03, 16:27
I've been running Squeezebox Server 7.6 nightlys on my DockStar mostly successfully using Plugbox Linux[1]. The only problem is that networking dies mysteriously every once in awhile. I haven't been able to figure out why it keeps happening. Other than that it runs great. Way better than my SBTouch's built-in server.



[1: http://plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Main_Page]

truehl
2010-11-01, 00:32
Hi folks,
now SqueezePlug runs on Dockstar and GoFlex net ans PogoPlug. I've made an Image for an USB-Stick. All the other stuff from SqueezePlug runs perfectly on these devices.

For more information visit my blog: http://squeezeplug.de

Greetings, Thomas

stevecross
2010-11-03, 10:07
Hi i am really interested in running squeezebox from my dockstar, i have downloaded image but do i need to hack the dockstar or just run image from stick. I know i sound thick but i have no experience of linux and don,t want to ruin my dockstar. Any help much appreciated.

steve

digitalknight
2010-11-28, 10:07
Hi i am really interested in running squeezebox from my dockstar, i have downloaded image but do i need to hack the dockstar or just run image from stick. I know i sound thick but i have no experience of linux and don,t want to ruin my dockstar. Any help much appreciated.

steve

I would like to know the answer to this also... can I just install this on a USB stick and go or do I have to mod the Dockstar?

Dr Bob
2010-11-28, 16:19
I would like to know the answer to this also... can I just install this on a USB stick and go or do I have to mod the Dockstar?

There is a small mod to the Dockstar boot routine (to tell it to boot from USB rather than Dockstar image.) This is full described in Thomas' Wicki guide.

The most awkward bit is using the VI editor (honest!) once you have got your PuTTY log-on sorted. (You can also copy the command lines from your browser and paste them straight into PuTTy in using right mouse button.)

I would not discourage you and you can reinstate Pogoplug services at the end of all of this.

VI driving lesson I found here http://staff.washington.edu/rells/R110/#basics5

It was all new to me a couple of weeks ago and the forum support is great.

Cheers

...Rob

stevecross
2010-11-29, 01:23
I did start to use the guide, and managed to stop the ap running on my dockstar
then the nezxt command i put in i got an error message, so i stopped before i screwed up my unit. I would love to run this on the dockstar. I suspect that it is as everything else easy once you know how. I did try to copy and paste the lines of text but they would not paste for some reason. mmm i have a bit of spare time.

truehl
2010-11-30, 07:13
I did start to use the guide, and managed to stop the ap running on my dockstar
then the nezxt command i put in i got an error message, so i stopped before i screwed up my unit. I would love to run this on the dockstar. I suspect that it is as everything else easy once you know how. I did try to copy and paste the lines of text but they would not paste for some reason. mmm i have a bit of spare time.

Hi Steve,
please tell me where exactly your problem is! Please use the SqueezePlug threat so we can support you,

Greetings,
Thomas