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stevecross
2010-05-23, 08:06
Good afternoon all, now i have my music library setup as i want, i am looking to backup my whole drive every week automaticaly to my nas drive across my home network. Ideally it needs to be in a format where if my drive failed completely i could restore to a differant drive. At the moment i am using acronis and it backs up as an image. Is there anything better please.

steve

Millwood
2010-05-23, 16:31
If you run a unix variant (linux) there are lots of choices. I run a raid 1 system so I have two copies n two disks on my server. Alternative is to rsync the primary to a secondary someplace else.

You can also program various solutions using tar as a backup system if you are a unix hacker.

stevecross
2010-05-23, 22:32
Thanks, i am using windows as an operating system.

steve

pfarrell
2010-05-23, 22:36
Millwood wrote:
> If you run a unix variant (linux) there are lots of choices. I run a
> raid 1 system so I have two copies n two disks on my server.

Raid is not backup.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

DoomWolf
2010-05-24, 02:00
I also use Acronis and it's capable of doing file backups as well as image backups, you just need to select the option to backup individual files and folders. However, image backups can also be restored to new disks in the event of a disk failure (something I've had to do in the past as Acronis has saved my data from disaster a few times).

4mula1
2010-05-24, 04:46
I use DeltaCopy (uses rsync) to backup files from my Windows box to my Solaris box connected to my Unslung Linksys NSLU2 (Slug). I use rsync + ssh on the Solaris box to make off-site backups to a Slug at my parent's house.

Think about this: what do you lose if a fire breaks out? In my case I lose my CDs, my computers, the Slug holding my backups. In effect I lose everything. Having an off-site backup keeps your data safe from a local catastrophe. I also use this method for digital pictures etc.

iPhone
2010-05-24, 08:43
If you run a unix variant (linux) there are lots of choices. I run a raid 1 system so I have two copies n two disks on my server.


Yes you have a second copy but only if one of the two drives die. If both drives die because they are in the same box, you have nothing. RAID is NOT backup, it is data access when only one drive fails.

RAID only covers the simplest data access failure of a single drive. If the machine is struck by lightening, there is a fire, water damage, natural disaster, or any other unforeseen issue that strikes both drives or the whole machine; say bye-bye to ones data.

Minimum backup is a second complete copy that doesn't reside on the same machine or stays powered up. Best is having a complete copy off site. Parent's homes are good for this if they live close enough or use a trusted friend. If anybody has several thousand CDs ripped, think about how much time it would take to rip them again or if you lost both the CDs and data to an act of nature.

I can't overemphasize how strongly I recommend doing true backups to separate drives that do not stay attached to the server. And how having an off site solution adds to the security of ones backup plan.

spile
2010-05-24, 14:44
If I was in your position I'd use something like Nero BackITup4 Essentials which comes free with Verbatim drives. I paid 123 for a 2Tb one. You might want to consider a Windows Home Server which will host your music, make backing up of ALL your stations and do a lot more besides.

tedfroop
2010-05-25, 21:10
I have used Mozy online backup for a couple of years now. I like the way it works and it offers off-site backup for $5 a month per PC. You can never go wrong with off-site data storage in my experience. (see signature below)
The new version of their software even includes local backup as well. If it works as well as Mozy its should be a very nice addition.

moley6knipe
2010-05-26, 01:18
I use SyncBack for Windows: http://www.2brightsparks.com/assets/software/SyncBack_Setup.zip which is very good, and free. I've set it to backup my media, all my AppData files and My Documents.

I have two 1Tb backup drives, one kept in a cupboard at my house, one with my parents!

stevecross
2010-05-27, 09:29
If I was in your position I'd use something like Nero BackITup4 Essentials which comes free with Verbatim drives. I paid 123 for a 2Tb one. You might want to consider a Windows Home Server which will host your music, make backing up of ALL your stations and do a lot more besides.

Thanks guys, a quick question regarding windows home server. Can you run other apps inside of this windows as you can with windows xp.

steve

ctbarker32
2010-05-27, 13:24
Hi,

I run my primary music server on linux but I also have several WHS servers that I use as a backup and use the windows command line tool called robocopy to keep everything in sync. I have it scheduled in a batch file and it works a treat! I also have a couple of multi-terabyte drives hooked up to my desktop computer that I periodically turn on and run my robocopy batch file to do yet another backup. Yes I'm paranoid! I've spent literally years ripping and tagging my collection.

-CB

m1abrams
2010-05-27, 13:55
RAID only covers the simplest data access failure of a single drive. If the machine is struck by lightening, there is a fire, water damage, natural disaster, or any other unforeseen issue that strikes both drives or the whole machine; say bye-bye to ones data.


Actually it is worse than what iPhone states. He forgot to mention to most likely cause of data loss, user error! If you delete a file in a RAID 1 both copies are delete right away for you. Also if you have an application such as a bulk tagger go through all of your music and somehow corrupt it, RAID 1 again will not save your butt.

As already stated RAID != backup

ModelCitizen
2010-05-27, 15:46
I like FreeFileSync myself. Nice and simple. Can set up a batch job for automatic synchronisation if you want.

MC

pski
2010-05-27, 19:40
I'm a pre_gui kind'a guy.

I have only 300GB of lossless m4a's.

I use the /D parameter to copy only newer files (which is the default)

A couple of cheap USB drives reside-off-site.

The main library (music + else) is rsynch'ed between two NFS raids to prevent multiple drive failures (and to speed "primary" recovery.)

I also take care of another 450 GB by maintaining a copy on the raids and another off-site on an external USB.

p

The best advice: It took a long time to get this done. Don't feel bad about using a belt, suspenders, and safety-pinning your top clothes to your bottom clothes....

bernt
2010-05-28, 02:36
I use Vortexbox. It has rsync configured by default. You can install rsync server on Windows to.

In FreeNAS go to Services > rsync > Setup rsync client and set a schedule. Done.

Here is how I did it.

Picked up a old HP dc7600 SFF from the basement at work. It has room for two SATA disks and a DVD player.

Burn FreeNAS to CD, put a USB stick in the computer and boot from the FreeNAS CD. Note the ip adress on the screen. If you don't have a screen look in your router for the ip adress.

Surf to that ip from another computer. Log on with user admin, password freenas.

Follow this guide to setup JBOD. http://freenas.org/documentation:setup_and_user_guide:software_raid

Go to Services > Rsync > Rsync client.
Set the Vortexbox ip address.
User “root”.
Module “files”.

If you don’t use Vortexbox use your own settings.

Set a schedule. That’s it. No single command was typed.

My schedule.

Vortexbox shutsdown 01:00 if no player have been used after 23:00. It boots up again at 06:00. Runs Clear and rescan at 06:30.

Freenas boots up every Sunday morning at 07:00 and runs the backup at 07:30 and shutsdown 6 hours later.

To restore use FreeNAS as rsync server and Vortexbox (or your Windows box) as rsync client. http://vortexbox.org/documentation/backing-up-your-vortexbox-using-rsync/

ltb76
2010-05-28, 03:13
I would recommend an online service.
Using USB disks or DVDs requires manual work, and to be entirely safe with that solution, you should keep the backup set outside you own house.
Online solutions like Mozy, Carbonite, CrashPlan and Keepit all have a flatrate subscription. The software required is easy to setup, and it almost work as "Set it and forget it".
I currently use Mozy but is thinking of switching to CrashPlan as they have a Linux client. But Mozy absolutly works and is not that expensive.