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Stephen R Ward
2004-08-17, 04:51
If anyone's interested in trying to persuade the BBC to supply their streams
via iTunes, there's a petition available from here:

<http://www.macworld.co.uk/forums/msgs.cfm?msg=35776&forum=4>

Cheers...
--
- $.

Stephen R Ward
<srward (AT) srward (DOT) com>

Jules Taplin
2004-08-17, 05:13
Oh for goodness sake... what's the point of trying to get the BBC to stop
using one proprietry format, and start using another. If anything - we
should be trying to persuade them to either restart their OGG trials
(started... and then abandoned for lack of time on their part), or at least
to just stream in mp3. Trust me... having spent the last ages hacking around
with slimserver support for BBC streams - we don't _WAN'T_ iTunes support.
We want something open instead.

(Sorry.... rant over. It just irritates the hell out of me that we have a
public service organisation - that produces some fantastic output - but that
they're then propping up broken, irritating, proprietry standards *sigh*).

-- Jules

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen R Ward" <srward (AT) srward (DOT) com>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:51 PM
Subject: [slim] BBC and iTunes


> If anyone's interested in trying to persuade the BBC to supply their
> streams
> via iTunes, there's a petition available from here:
>
> <http://www.macworld.co.uk/forums/msgs.cfm?msg=35776&forum=4>
>
> Cheers...
> --
> - $.
>
> Stephen R Ward
> <srward (AT) srward (DOT) com>
>
>

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_H=FCbner?=
2004-08-17, 05:18
Jules Taplin wrote:
> Oh for goodness sake... what's the point of trying to get the BBC to
> stop using one proprietry format, and start using another. If anything -
> we should be trying to persuade them to either restart their OGG trials
> (started... and then abandoned for lack of time on their part), or at
> least to just stream in mp3. Trust me... having spent the last ages
> hacking around with slimserver support for BBC streams - we don't
> _WAN'T_ iTunes support. We want something open instead.
>
> (Sorry.... rant over. It just irritates the hell out of me that we have
> a public service organisation - that produces some fantastic output -
> but that they're then propping up broken, irritating, proprietry
> standards *sigh*).
>
> -- Jules

You could easily exchange BBC with SR in the above (except for
OGG-trials). Sveriges Radio is the Swedish equivalent to BBC (however on
a much smaller scale) and they insist on streaming in WMA and RA. I have
talked to one of their techs - an avid BSD-fan - and he insists on mp3
being not "good" enough for the output.

Sigh...

/Johan

--
Johan Hübner --!!johan (AT) hubner (DOT) se!!--

Jules Taplin
2004-08-17, 05:36
Yup. The whole thing is bleeding irritating. On the video side -
perversely - things are looking up for the BBC - they're investing in the
development of an unencumbered codec for the eventual release of their
content, which is unbelievably forward looking, and really rather cool
(although there's no actual dates in place, yet).


-- Jules

----- Original Message -----
From: "Johan Hübner" <johan (AT) hubner (DOT) se>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: [slim] BBC and iTunes


> Jules Taplin wrote:
>> Oh for goodness sake... what's the point of trying to get the BBC to stop
>> using one proprietry format, and start using another. If anything - we
>> should be trying to persuade them to either restart their OGG trials
>> (started... and then abandoned for lack of time on their part), or at
>> least to just stream in mp3. Trust me... having spent the last ages
>> hacking around with slimserver support for BBC streams - we don't _WAN'T_
>> iTunes support. We want something open instead.
>>
>> (Sorry.... rant over. It just irritates the hell out of me that we have a
>> public service organisation - that produces some fantastic output - but
>> that they're then propping up broken, irritating, proprietry standards
>> *sigh*).
>>
>> -- Jules
>
> You could easily exchange BBC with SR in the above (except for
> OGG-trials). Sveriges Radio is the Swedish equivalent to BBC (however on a
> much smaller scale) and they insist on streaming in WMA and RA. I have
> talked to one of their techs - an avid BSD-fan - and he insists on mp3
> being not "good" enough for the output.
>
> Sigh...
>
> /Johan
>
> --
> Johan Hübner --!!johan (AT) hubner (DOT) se!!--
>
>

Niek Jongerius
2004-08-17, 05:54
> Trust me... having spent the last ages hacking around
> with slimserver support for BBC streams - we don't _WAN'T_ iTunes support.
> We want something open instead.

Aw c'mon. If it weren't for these narrowminded people at the Beeb (and
AR, and Dutch radio, and who-knows-else) we wouldn't have so much fun
building these tools. :-)

Happy hacking!

Niek.

Jules Taplin
2004-08-17, 06:39
Hmmm. Cheers Niek. I think.


;)


-- Jules

----- Original Message -----
From: "Niek Jongerius" <niek (AT) qwertyboy (DOT) org>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 1:54 PM
Subject: [slim] BBC and iTunes


>> Trust me... having spent the last ages hacking around
>> with slimserver support for BBC streams - we don't _WAN'T_ iTunes
>> support.
>> We want something open instead.
>
> Aw c'mon. If it weren't for these narrowminded people at the Beeb (and
> AR, and Dutch radio, and who-knows-else) we wouldn't have so much fun
> building these tools. :-)
>
> Happy hacking!
>
> Niek.
>

dean
2004-08-17, 09:49
Having the BBC also support MP3 would be a huge step forward. MP3,
while not free, IS open and available for licensing by anyone. It just
costs money.

I also would prefer a completely free alternative, but as MP3 is the de
facto standard and is supported by the largest number of hardware and
software players (including SlimServer/Squeezebox), it would be an
excellent step for the BBC.



On Aug 17, 2004, at 5:13 AM, Jules Taplin wrote:

> Oh for goodness sake... what's the point of trying to get the BBC to
> stop using one proprietry format, and start using another. If anything
> - we should be trying to persuade them to either restart their OGG
> trials (started... and then abandoned for lack of time on their part),
> or at least to just stream in mp3. Trust me... having spent the last
> ages hacking around with slimserver support for BBC streams - we don't
> _WAN'T_ iTunes support. We want something open instead.
>
> (Sorry.... rant over. It just irritates the hell out of me that we
> have a public service organisation - that produces some fantastic
> output - but that they're then propping up broken, irritating,
> proprietry standards *sigh*).
>
> -- Jules
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen R Ward" <srward (AT) srward (DOT) com>
> To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:51 PM
> Subject: [slim] BBC and iTunes
>
>
>> If anyone's interested in trying to persuade the BBC to supply their
>> streams
>> via iTunes, there's a petition available from here:
>>
>> <http://www.macworld.co.uk/forums/msgs.cfm?msg=35776&forum=4>
>>
>> Cheers...
>> --
>> - $.
>>
>> Stephen R Ward
>> <srward (AT) srward (DOT) com>
>>
>>