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craiglester
2010-04-07, 09:14
I just ordered a touch from logitech :) yay.

Anyway.. I have a couple of questions..

(I'll be using the touch as a server btw, for itself and 1 SB3, with approx 20,000 tracks - about 300 Gb of FLAC and MP3)

1. Does anyone have a recommendation for a small portable HDD that comes with a psu (as the touch can't provide the required power). Seems all the 2.5" drives are exclusively bus powered. I have a 3.5" but it's a little whiney, and I dont like the idea of having to buy a powered usb hub just for a small HDD.

2. On the limitations wiki it states that FLAC encoded > 48Khz and compressed with "Best" or -8 won't work. Does this mean if the file is over 48 Khz AND encoded at -8, or is it either condition? I have a lot of flac encoded at -8 (16/44.1, do I need to re encode all this to -5?

3. I can't seem to find what apps work on the touch.. Is there enything like superdatetime? I really like the weather forecast on the clock.

oh and good work getting this out right now.. had a bad day yesterday, then Saw "in stock" on the logitech site.. brightened my day immeasurably :)

Phil Leigh
2010-04-07, 09:24
I just ordered a touch from logitech :) yay.

Anyway.. I have a couple of questions..

(I'll be using the touch as a server btw, for itself and 1 SB3, with approx 20,000 tracks - about 300 Gb of FLAC and MP3)

1. Does anyone have a recommendation for a small portable HDD that comes with a psu (as the touch can't provide the required power). Seems all the 2.5" drives are exclusively bus powered. I have a 3.5" but it's a little whiney, and I dont like the idea of having to buy a powered usb hub just for a small HDD.

2. On the limitations wiki it states that FLAC encoded > 48Khz and compressed with "Best" or -8 won't work. Does this mean if the file is over 48 Khz AND encoded at -8, or is it either condition? I have a lot of flac encoded at -8 (16/44.1, do I need to re encode all this to -5?

3. I can't seem to find what apps work on the touch.. Is there enything like superdatetime? I really like the weather forecast on the clock.

oh and good work getting this out right now.. had a bad day yesterday, then Saw "in stock" on the logitech site.. brightened my day immeasurably :)

16/44.1 @-8 works fine. 48 and above should use -5 (it's easy to reflac any files you might have that fit this category).

There's very little difference in disk space anyway - I switched to -5 2 years ago

peterw
2010-04-07, 15:02
(I'll be using the touch as a server btw, for itself and 1 SB3, with approx 20,000 tracks - about 300 Gb of FLAC and MP3)

1. Does anyone have a recommendation for a small portable HDD that comes with a psu (as the touch can't provide the required power).

I can't speak about larger (300-500 GB) drives, but I've tested a number of 2.5" drives in the 80-160 GB range, and all worked fine with bus power. I only know of one user who had trouble with bus power. Alas, that was a ~300 GB Western Digital blue (not black) drive...

Note: my Touch is a pre-release hardware build; I don't know how many beta testers have the final build, and it is conceivable, though I think unlikely, that the final hardware design might behave differently.

mherger
2010-04-07, 15:12
You might be interested in this table:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/USB_Compatibility

I've been running a 2.5" disk usb powered for months now. Not very recent disks though...

JJZolx
2010-04-07, 15:17
2. On the limitations wiki it states that FLAC encoded > 48Khz and compressed with "Best" or -8 won't work. Does this mean if the file is over 48 Khz AND encoded at -8, or is it either condition? I have a lot of flac encoded at -8 (16/44.1, do I need to re encode all this to -5?

It's AND. I'm pretty certain 16/44.1 compressed at -8 will play without a problem. It's high bitrate files with high compression that cause some processing issues.

peterw
2010-04-07, 15:52
You might be interested in this table:

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/USB_Compatibility

Thanks for digging that up. Clearly my memory is no good, as that shows that I tested an 80 GB drive and found it not to work. :-(

JJZolx
2010-04-07, 15:54
Thanks for digging that up. Clearly my memory is no good, as that shows that I tested an 80 GB drive and found it not to work. :-(

I just looked at that an could have sworn I added the Apricorn drive that doesn't work for me. I don't think all of the edits from the private wiki made it over.

iPhone
2010-04-07, 15:57
Why do people use -8 anymore? Large drives are readily available and cheap for that matter. And the average savings on an album between -5 and -8 is not worth the processor overhead or even the saved space on a 2TB drive. Even on a huge 2TB drive, I don't think using -8 versus -5 will save enough safe to allow one to get just one more album on the drive.

Speaking of drives, if anybody is having issues or starting to see odd things, check your remaining drive space. Don't fill a drive all the way up even if its only going to be write once then read only afterwards.

iPhone
2010-04-07, 16:30
I just ordered a touch from logitech :) yay.

Anyway.. I have a couple of questions..

(I'll be using the touch as a server btw, for itself and 1 SB3, with approx 20,000 tracks - about 300 Gb of FLAC and MP3)

1. Does anyone have a recommendation for a small portable HDD that comes with a psu (as the touch can't provide the required power). Seems all the 2.5" drives are exclusively bus powered. I have a 3.5" but it's a little whiney, and I dont like the idea of having to buy a powered usb hub just for a small HDD.


Maybe I am not understanding your question. Are you looking for drives powered off the USB port?

I have a 320 GB, 500GB, and 640GB Toshiba USB powered USB drive and all three work fine with the Touch. These Toshiba drives do not have external power, they are powered off the Touch's USB port per the USB spec. They now have a 1TB Toshiba Canvio™ Portable Hard Drive for $159 which would make a great USB powered drive for Touch.

JJZolx
2010-04-07, 16:31
Speaking of drives, if anybody is having issues or starting to see odd things, check your remaining drive space. Don't fill a drive all the way up even if its only going to be write once then read only afterwards.

An explanation of why may be in order... Squeezebox Server running on the Touch will store its library database and its resized artwork (also a database) on the drive itself. So leave some room for these files. This is kind of a nice feature, as each drive can be considered to be an autonomous 'library'. Changing libraries is as simple as swapping disk drives.

krochat
2010-04-07, 17:23
An explanation of why may be in order... Squeezebox Server running on the Touch will store its library database and its resized artwork (also a database) on the drive itself. So leave some room for these files. This is kind of a nice feature, as each drive can be considered to be an autonomous 'library'. Changing libraries is as simple as swapping disk drives.

I was assuming that if you switched drives that the Touch would rescan everything on the "new" drive, causing delays and extra drive wear.

If switching drives really works without excessive overhead and music on the new drive is available in a few seconds, I may just do that with my current USB enclosures rather than trying to build that 3.0TB USB disk array I was asking about on another thread.

Thanks,
Kim

JJZolx
2010-04-07, 17:49
I was assuming that if you switched drives that the Touch would rescan everything on the "new" drive, causing delays and extra drive wear.

It does rescan when you plug in the drive, but it only looks for changes so is pretty fast when there are no or few changes. I don't think it delays the availability of the server very much. If you plug in a drive that doesn't have a library database on it yet then it does have to do an in-depth scan of all the audio files. I think maybe the library can begin to be used, though, while it's still scanning.

craiglester
2010-04-07, 20:24
Maybe I am not understanding your question. Are you looking for drives powered off the USB port?

I have a 320 GB, 500GB, and 640GB Toshiba USB powered USB drive and all three work fine with the Touch. These Toshiba drives do not have external power, they are powered off the Touch's USB port per the USB spec. They now have a 1TB Toshiba Canvio™ Portable Hard Drive for $159 which would make a great USB powered drive for Touch.

Yes, I was referring to a drive powered by the USB port alone. I got the impression that the Wiki about the limitations was implying that usb powered drives would NOT work without a powered hub, and I didnt want a jumble of wires back there.. but if like you say a 2.5" Toshiba drive works then I shall probably invest in one of those.

as for why I have anything at -8.. well back in the day, drive space wasnt so cheap.. I'll probably just re-encode all the FLAC at -5 in a batch job.

Thanks for the answers people.

Any idea on the superdatetime.. any plans for adding that to a screensaver maybe? just a local weather forecast perhaps.

Oh and please add Picasa to the pic services :)

erland
2010-04-08, 01:47
Any idea on the superdatetime.. any plans for adding that to a screensaver maybe? just a local weather forecast perhaps.

There is another third party weather applet available already:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827