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  • bobkoure
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 669

    anyone using 7.5 embedded?

    As someone running on somewhat limited server hardware (Via C7) I'm interested in the 7.5 embedded version.
    If you're using it, would you mind mentioning
    - the hardware you're using
    - general size of your music collection
    - any noticeable speedup in the WebUI?
    - whether it works with MusicIP (if you use that)
    - any problems with squeezeslave

    Yes, I know it's unstable, just wondering how unstable.

    Thanks!
  • Michael Herger
    Babelfish's Best Boy
    • Apr 2005
    • 24099

    #2
    anyone using 7.5 embedded?

    > If you're using it, would you mind mentioning
    > - the hardware you're using


    Via C3/1GHz, 1GB RAM, running SME Linux (CentOS 4.x based)

    > - general size of your music collection


    16k tracks

    > - any noticeable speedup in the WebUI?


    when artwork is involved then there's a huge improvement

    > - whether it works with MusicIP (if you use that)


    Yes (Linux version)

    > - any problems with squeezeslave


    Don't know.

    > Yes, I know it's unstable, just wondering how unstable.


    It hasn't crashed here in weeks. There seem to be more problems with other platforms than Linux, as it's mostly been tested on a Linux platform (SB Touch).
    Michael

    "It doesn't work - what shall I do?" - "Please check your server.log and/or scanner.log file!"
    (LMS: Settings/Information)

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    • aubuti
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 8878

      #3
      I've been using it for 1-2 months on a headless MSI Wind desktop. The MSI has an Atom 1.6GHz single core CPU and 2GB RAM, but I'm running 7.4.2 on the "real" machine and 7.5-embedded on a virtual machine (via VirtualBox) that is allocated something like 400MB RAM. The OS is Ubunbtu server 8.10. I'm using the SQLite db. My collection is about 5500 tracks. Scanning is much faster than 7.4.x. Web ui seems a little snappier than 7.4, but I haven't done systematic testing. Stability has been excellent. Works fine with MusicIP. Don't know about squeezeslave, but it's working fine with SqueezePlay.
      Last edited by aubuti; 2010-03-11, 19:06. Reason: corrected Ubuntu version
      Main system: SB3 > Emotiva XDA-1 > NAD C 325BEE > Vandersteen 1
      Living room: SB2 > Audioengine HD6
      Kitchen/dining: SB2 > AudioSource AMP 100 > 2-pairs of Polk Audio RC60i in-ceiling speakers
      Deck/patio: SB Receiver > AudioSource AMP 100 > Polk Atrium 45
      Study: SB Radio
      Quiet time: Hifiman Sundara headphones plugged into NAD amp or iPhone + AudioQuest Dragonfly Red DAC/amp
      LMS 8.3 running on a Raspberry Pi3 (piCore), controlled using iPeng, SB Controllers and Squeezepad

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      • Siduhe
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2005
        • 3238

        #4
        I've been using it on a testing set up for about 2 months.

        Vista Home Premium - Lenovo Laptop - 4GM RAM;

        Testing using a subset of my main library - about 2000 songs;

        WebUI is plenty responsive, but then so is my main setup (a Linux server) so I haven't really noticed any "improvement" as such;

        Works fine with Windows MusicIP 1.9b6.
        Who am I on LAST.FM?
        "Siduhe Loved Tracks radio got the thumbs up. Feedback included: yeah, it's good... got the odd dodgy track tho..." (c) ModelCitizen

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        • pippin
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 14809

          #5
          Doesn't work at all for me.
          Ubuntu server 8.04 LTS, ViaC7 1GHz, 1GB RAM
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          • snarlydwarf
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2005
            • 3674

            #6
            Originally posted by pippin
            Doesn't work at all for me.
            Ubuntu server 8.04 LTS, ViaC7 1GHz, 1GB RAM
            Hrrm. It works for me on Debian both SQLite and MySQL...

            I may or may not have rm'd my prefs file to appease it (been a while and I'm senile)...

            What's the symptoms?

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            • signor_rossi
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2007
              • 691

              #7
              Works very well and stable for me on an old Athlon64 with Ubuntu Karmic locked at 1GHZ, I use SQLite and started with a clean config, 15000 tracks. WebUI loading and Stop/Play/Skip actions are noticeably snappier than before, most important plugins work too (DynamicPlaylist/CustomScan/etc.). I am quite happy with it and hope to see it in the debian repo some time. :-)

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              • bobkoure
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2007
                • 669

                #8
                Thanks for the responses!
                I guess I should have mentioned that I'd planned to put it on a windows server.

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                • bonze
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 1502

                  #9
                  Originally posted by bobkoure
                  - the hardware you're using
                  WHS - Dual Core Atom 330, 2GB RAM
                  - general size of your music collection
                  7.6k tracks
                  - any noticeable speedup in the WebUI?
                  slight improvement
                  Yes, I know it's unstable, just wondering how unstable.
                  haven't had a crash this year
                  LMS Version: 8.2
                  Synology 216+II & Docker
                  2x Touch, 2x SB3

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                  • pippin
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 14809

                    #10
                    Originally posted by snarlydwarf
                    Hrrm. It works for me on Debian both SQLite and MySQL...

                    I may or may not have rm'd my prefs file to appease it (been a while and I'm senile)...

                    What's the symptoms?
                    I've got a web server with a pretty similar software configuration and there it works fine.
                    Symptoms is that it runs at low priority (~2-3% CPU usage), everything times out, including web interface, scan takes around 4 days as compared to <0.5h with trunk.
                    I tried removing all things squeeze and doing clean installs without avail. Installing a 7.5 trunk right over it works fine.

                    I believe it's either a scheduling issue or some communication deadlock causing stuff to time out. Lots of errors around this being logged.
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                    Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App,
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                    • aubuti
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 8878

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mherger
                      > - any noticeable speedup in the WebUI?

                      when artwork is involved then there's a huge improvement
                      Is your artwork embedded or cover.jpg/folder.jpg? Mine is cover.jpg and the improvement only seems marginal to me. Certainly not huge. Yet.
                      Main system: SB3 > Emotiva XDA-1 > NAD C 325BEE > Vandersteen 1
                      Living room: SB2 > Audioengine HD6
                      Kitchen/dining: SB2 > AudioSource AMP 100 > 2-pairs of Polk Audio RC60i in-ceiling speakers
                      Deck/patio: SB Receiver > AudioSource AMP 100 > Polk Atrium 45
                      Study: SB Radio
                      Quiet time: Hifiman Sundara headphones plugged into NAD amp or iPhone + AudioQuest Dragonfly Red DAC/amp
                      LMS 8.3 running on a Raspberry Pi3 (piCore), controlled using iPeng, SB Controllers and Squeezepad

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                      • dsdreamer
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 835

                        #12
                        Works for me

                        - the hardware you're using
                        Buffalo Linkstation LS-XHL (1TB disk, ARM 9 CPU @ 1.2Gz)
                        - general size of your music collection
                        7.5k tracks
                        - any noticeable speedup in the WebUI?
                        Yes, it's faster for me on this hardware than 7.3.3 used to be on an AMD Athon XP PC.
                        - whether it works with MusicIP (if you use that)
                        Didn't try.
                        - any problems with squeezeslave
                        Didn't try.
                        ----------------------
                        "Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you..."

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                        • Michael Herger
                          Babelfish's Best Boy
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 24099

                          #13
                          anyone using 7.5 embedded?

                          > Is your artwork embedded or cover.jpg/folder.jpg? Mine is cover.jpg and
                          > the improvement only seems marginal to me. Certainly not huge. Yet.


                          A bit of everything. The biggest improvement eg. is when loading the albums page. While it would have taken several seconds only to show the artwork, it's now almost instantly loading them.

                          --

                          Michael
                          Michael

                          "It doesn't work - what shall I do?" - "Please check your server.log and/or scanner.log file!"
                          (LMS: Settings/Information)

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                          • andyg
                            Former Squeezebox Guy
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 7395

                            #14
                            Yep, embedded has a new artwork cache that is about 10x faster than the old one.

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                            • aubuti
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 8878

                              #15
                              Wow, I'm not seeing that at all. I just compared loading album pages (large artwork sorted Artist/year/album) between 7.4.2 and 7.5.0-embedded and the load times are almost identical. Say around 9-10 seconds for 50-70 albums. I installed the latest nightly (r30366), did a clear and rescan, and then hit different parts of the alpha index on the albums page, and get the same results.

                              The 7.5e is running in a VM on the same box as 7.4.2, so it's not a perfectly fair comparison. Two differences that come to mind are

                              (1) the VM only has 400MB RAM vs. 1.6GB for the host, though the VM doesn't appear to be swapping at all

                              (2) the VM mounts the music library via CIFS, whereas the host (7.4.2) accesses the library directly. But if it's caching in the db that's improved, I wouldn't think that the CIFS delay would matter.

                              Are these platform differences likely explanations, or is there some other reason anyone can think of why I'm not seeing the speed increase. The album art is mostly cover.jpg, usually betwenn 300x300 and 500x500.
                              Main system: SB3 > Emotiva XDA-1 > NAD C 325BEE > Vandersteen 1
                              Living room: SB2 > Audioengine HD6
                              Kitchen/dining: SB2 > AudioSource AMP 100 > 2-pairs of Polk Audio RC60i in-ceiling speakers
                              Deck/patio: SB Receiver > AudioSource AMP 100 > Polk Atrium 45
                              Study: SB Radio
                              Quiet time: Hifiman Sundara headphones plugged into NAD amp or iPhone + AudioQuest Dragonfly Red DAC/amp
                              LMS 8.3 running on a Raspberry Pi3 (piCore), controlled using iPeng, SB Controllers and Squeezepad

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