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sawdin
2010-03-10, 10:10
Another pre-purchase newbie question. What are the advantages and disadvantages to using a HDD drive connected to a Touch via USB as opposed to using a HDD drive connected to my pc? (My pc will be in a different room than the touch and my main audio system)? I assume that in either case, the HDD will be part of my home wireless network. Is that a correct assumption? Is the only difference one of speed in terms of access time, or are there other additional differences in terms of software used and ease of use?

Thanks, I really do appreciate the thoughtful replies I have received on this forum.
Dino

PS... I have not yet purchased the Touch and thus do not have any experience with SB 'server' software (or any server software, for that matter).
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toby10
2010-03-10, 10:58
Just using Touch + USB:
- no format transcoding (Touch will only play native music formats, though it's quite an extensive list of supported formats)
- no web UI
- no Plugins
- Touch will have to switch to MySB for necessary Music Services (but it's pretty seamless)

snarlydwarf
2010-03-10, 11:02
Another pre-purchase newbie question. What are the advantages and disadvantages to using a HDD drive connected to a Touch via USB as opposed to using a HDD drive connected to my pc? (My pc will be in a different room than the touch and my main audio system)? I assume that in either case, the HDD will be part of my home wireless network. Is that a correct assumption? Is the only difference one of speed in terms of access time, or are there other additional differences in terms of software used and ease of use?

The software is mostly the same: the version of SBS for the touch has a bunch of things disabled for performance, however (like the Web interface, since it tends to make some complex SQL queries to render long lists as well as plugins, support for very very old Squeezeboxes, and transcoding).

Most people won't miss much except the webui and the plugins.



PS... I have not yet purchased the Touch and thus do not have any experience with SB 'server' software (or any server software, for that matter).


I always recommend people grab a copy of SBS and install it and set it up and get used to it. There are even software clients that, while not giving you the exact feel of the hardware do a reasonable job of faking it. (Squeezeplay, for example, is the same basic code that runs on the 'new' products like SBC, Radio and Touch... but your PC most likely doesn't have knobs or a touch screen that Squeezeplay can use, so it won't be an exact copy... but it should be close enough to get a feel for things if you squint right. Just keep in mind it's not a real player and some things like Pandora may not work.)

That way when you get your first SB product, you're all set and can just plug it in...

aubuti
2010-03-10, 11:21
Another pre-purchase newbie question. What are the advantages and disadvantages to using a HDD drive connected to a Touch via USB as opposed to using a HDD drive connected to my pc? (My pc will be in a different room than the touch and my main audio system)? I assume that in either case, the HDD will be part of my home wireless network. Is that a correct assumption? Is the only difference one of speed in terms of access time, or are there other additional differences in terms of software used and ease of use?
Perhaps this is too obvious to mention, but if you use a USB drive on the SB Touch you can turn off the pc and still listen to your music.

usch
2010-03-10, 13:38
If your music library is attached to your PC, you must install the SB server software because the server on the Touch cannot use remote drives. If your music library is attached to the Touch, you can install the SB server software, or use the Touch's built-in server, or use both alternately (use the full server when your PC is on, and the tiny server when your PC is off).

Scanning and browsing your library will of course be fastest if everything is on your PC.

sawdin
2010-03-10, 20:41
This is what I think you mean: If my library resides on a HDD that is not connected to the Touch via USB (e.g., the internal HDD of my desktop pc or an external HDD that is part of my wireless home network) I have to install the SB server software on my desktop pc. If my library is on an external HDD that is directly connected to the Touch via a USB cable, I do not have to install the SB server software, but I can if I want to be able to control the Touch from my desktop. Is that correct?

If I have an external HDD connected to the Touch via USB, how would I incorporate that HDD into my home wireless network so that when I use my desktop pc to rip CD's, download music files, create playlists, etc., I can use my wireless network to copy those files to the HDD connected to the Touch? Can I do this by virtue of the Touch being connected to the HDD via USB cable? If that is the case, does that mean I can use any HDD that has a USB cable connection? If not, how do copy files to that drive?

Thanks so much for the help, it is greatly appreciated!

sawdin
2010-03-10, 20:46
Just using Touch + USB:
- no format transcoding (Touch will only play native music formats, though it's quite an extensive list of supported formats)
- no web UI
- no Plugins
- Touch will have to switch to MySB for necessary Music Services (but it's pretty seamless)

1) I'm not sure what you mean by transcoding.

2) What is 'MySB'?

3) By 'Music Services' do you mean services like Rhapsody, Napster, Pandora, etc?

Thanks for the help!

aubuti
2010-03-10, 20:52
This is what I think you mean: If my library resides on a HDD that is not connected to the Touch via USB (e.g., the internal HDD of my desktop pc or an external HDD that is part of my wireless home network) I have to install the SB server software on my desktop pc. If my library is on an external HDD that is directly connected to the Touch via a USB cable, I do not have to install the SB server software, but I can if I want to be able to control the Touch from my desktop. Is that correct?

If I have an external HDD connected to the Touch via USB, how would I incorporate that HDD into my home wireless network so that when I use my desktop pc to rip CD's, download music files, create playlists, etc., I can use my wireless network to copy those files to the HDD connected to the Touch? Can I do this by virtue of the Touch being connected to the HDD via USB cable? If that is the case, does that mean I can use any HDD that has a USB cable connection? If not, how do copy files to that drive?

Thanks so much for the help, it is greatly appreciated!
1) yes
2) The SB Touch runs a common file sharing server (Samba) that makes media connected to the Touch (both USB and SD card) available as network drives. So after you rip on your pc you can simply copy files to the USB drive over the network.

sawdin
2010-03-10, 21:40
What is the advantage, if any, of having an external HDD connected to the Touch via USB cable? You still need a 'computer' to rip CD's, download files, etc., and then transfer those files to the HDD connected to the Touch. Is that correct?

In an earlier reply, USCH wrote:
Scanning and browsing your library will of course be fastest if everything is on your PC

I take that to mean either the internal HDD of the pc or any external HDD that is directly connected to the pc via cable. Is that correct? If that is correct, and it is slower to have the library on a HDD connected to the Touch via USB, why use a HDD connected to the USB?

snarlydwarf
2010-03-10, 22:12
What is the advantage, if any, of having an external HDD connected to the Touch via USB cable? You still need a 'computer' to rip CD's, download files, etc., and then transfer those files to the HDD connected to the Touch. Is that correct?

yes, and then that PC can be turned off if you have the HDD connected to the touch.

rotho
2010-03-11, 01:59
If that is correct, and it is slower to have the library on a HDD connected to the Touch via USB, why use a HDD connected to the USB?

IMO, the main advantage of having a HDD directly connected to the Touch is that you can avoid a noisy PC when listening to music, and just use a silent, fanless drive near your audio equipment. But of course, if your PC is in another room, it's a different matter, and it could be more efficient to use a HDD connected to the PC, with all the advantages of the "full" version of SBS (in particular the faster scan).

usch
2010-03-11, 03:47
What is the advantage, if any, of having an external HDD connected to the Touch via USB cable? You still need a 'computer' to rip CD's, download files, etc., and then transfer those files to the HDD connected to the Touch. Is that correct?
Correct. There are two reasons I can think of to connect a drive directly to the Touch:

- If you don't want to install additional software on your PC
- If you want to listen to your music library even when the PC is off

If neither applies to you, you are probably better off with a drive connected to your PC.



IMO, the main advantage of having a HDD directly connected to the Touch is that you can avoid a noisy PC when listening to music, and just use a silent, fanless drive near your audio equipment.

It depends. My PC is ultra silent (fanless graphics board, regulated CPU fan, sound insulated case) and compared to that external HDDs are noisy. :) I would not want one between my stereo equipment. If I were to connect a drive to the Touch, I would go for a USB flash drive or an SSD.

toby10
2010-03-11, 04:28
1) I'm not sure what you mean by transcoding.

2) What is 'MySB'?

3) By 'Music Services' do you mean services like Rhapsody, Napster, Pandora, etc?

Thanks for the help!

1) Transcoding is taking one format and converting it to another format
Ex: let's say a device cannot play music format WMA but can play format MP3, the server software converts (transcodes) WMA to MP3, now the device can play that song in MP3 format
This is a moot point if all of your music files are in formats the device can play natively.

2) www.MySqueezeBox.com

3) Yes

ste1
2010-03-19, 06:27
Hi

I am also interested in connecting a Touch to external USB drive and using the version of slimserver embedded in the Touch to play music.

However, I think I read from the posts above that this approach would not permit me to use my Apps.

Is this correct? particularly, BBC iplayer, lastfm and soma.

A;so = what about internet radio - will this work on Touch if not connected to PC?

Also - canyone know if I can I use my Duet Controller to control Touch?

flattermann
2010-03-19, 06:40
However, I think I read from the posts above that this approach would not permit me to use my Apps.

Is this correct? particularly, BBC iplayer, lastfm and soma.

Apps will work, Plugins will not.
(See the App Gallery for a complete list of Apps)

Plugins are small programs installed on your local SqueezeBoxServer. These will not work on MySqueezeBox.com and on the embedded-server of a SqueezeBox Touch.



A;so = what about internet radio - will this work on Touch if not connected to PC?


Sure.



Also - canyone know if I can I use my Duet Controller to control Touch?

Yes, that works.