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PAUL WILLIAMSON
2004-08-10, 05:29
>>> lists (AT) phillipkerman (DOT) com 8/10/2004 12:02:24 AM >>>
>What I don't understand is why one can't just get a laptop without a
loud
>fan that doesn't cost so much. I'd gladly pay $300 for a laptop as
powerful
>as my 5 year old one... which, of course, isn't worth $300.
>
>I think it makes sense to concentrate on the audio side of things.
Not
>saying the display doesn't matter.

Why not a laptop? Remote control, plus a laptop doesn't fit into an
audio rack.
I like the squeezebox for putting them in just about every room of the
house.
When it comes to putting it in with all the other audio stuff, it
sticks out like a
sore thumb. Plus, it has to be on top (ever try stacking something on
it?) or
off to the side. If there ever is a larger version of this thing, it
would be
nice to have a IR input right on the back so I wouldn't have to worry
about
one of those silly stick on emitters.

I have a very quiet front end running another program where I can
control
music from as well. I had never thought about putting that s-video
signal
back into the house cable. Great idea!

Paul

Robert Zimmerman
2004-08-10, 05:45
Are you saying it's possible to have the SB displayed on TVs
throughout the house by linking to the in house cable. All my TVs go
through a central patch panel with two cables per TV so this could
work well. Anyone have some detailed instructions to do this?

Thanks.



> >>> lists (AT) phillipkerman (DOT) com 8/10/2004 12:02:24 AM >>>
>>What I don't understand is why one can't just get a laptop without a
>loud
>>fan that doesn't cost so much. I'd gladly pay $300 for a laptop as
>powerful
>>as my 5 year old one... which, of course, isn't worth $300.
>>
>>I think it makes sense to concentrate on the audio side of things.
>Not
>>saying the display doesn't matter.
>
>Why not a laptop? Remote control, plus a laptop doesn't fit into an
>audio rack.
>I like the squeezebox for putting them in just about every room of the
>house.
>When it comes to putting it in with all the other audio stuff, it
>sticks out like a
>sore thumb. Plus, it has to be on top (ever try stacking something on
>it?) or
>off to the side. If there ever is a larger version of this thing, it
>would be
>nice to have a IR input right on the back so I wouldn't have to worry
>about
>one of those silly stick on emitters.
>
>I have a very quiet front end running another program where I can
>control
>music from as well. I had never thought about putting that s-video
>signal
>back into the house cable. Great idea!
>
>Paul
>
>
>

Ken Anderson
2004-08-10, 06:03
Robert,

The original post on this idea was mine a while back. I have a whole
house audio system where the amplifier and preamp are centralized in
one location. I wanted to be able to hear (and control) my sliMP3 from
all the locations in the house. I already have IR receivers throughout
the house that get combined at the preamp (Xantech ZPR68) so that all
IR gets sent out a set of emitters. I placed one of those emitters on
the front of the sliMP3 panel, so I could control it from anywhere in
the house (with the help of learning remotes).

The only problem was, I had no way to see the UI except if I was near a
computer. To solve that problem, I used a cheap video conferencing
camera aimed it at the sliMP3 display, and put it's NTSC output into an
RF modulator (ChannelPlus). It's modulated on channel 82. So, when I
put any TV in the house on channel 82, I see the front panel of the
sliMP3. It works great!

Of course, you could get the same results by using multiple
SqueezeBoxen and linking them all together - but I already had the
entire setup ready to go before introducing the sliMP3.

If you want to know more about the different products I'm using, let me
know.

Ken

On Aug 10, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Robert Zimmerman wrote:

> Are you saying it's possible to have the SB displayed on TVs
> throughout the house by linking to the in house cable. All my TVs go
> through a central patch panel with two cables per TV so this could
> work well. Anyone have some detailed instructions to do this?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>> >>> lists (AT) phillipkerman (DOT) com 8/10/2004 12:02:24 AM >>>
>>> What I don't understand is why one can't just get a laptop without a
>> loud
>>> fan that doesn't cost so much. I'd gladly pay $300 for a laptop as
>> powerful
>>> as my 5 year old one... which, of course, isn't worth $300.
>>> I think it makes sense to concentrate on the audio side of things.
>> Not
>>> saying the display doesn't matter.
>>
>> Why not a laptop? Remote control, plus a laptop doesn't fit into an
>> audio rack.
>> I like the squeezebox for putting them in just about every room of the
>> house.
>> When it comes to putting it in with all the other audio stuff, it
>> sticks out like a
>> sore thumb. Plus, it has to be on top (ever try stacking something on
>> it?) or
>> off to the side. If there ever is a larger version of this thing, it
>> would be
>> nice to have a IR input right on the back so I wouldn't have to worry
>> about
>> one of those silly stick on emitters.
>> I have a very quiet front end running another program where I can
>> control
>> music from as well. I had never thought about putting that s-video
>> signal
>> back into the house cable. Great idea!
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>

Robert Zimmerman
2004-08-10, 06:19
Ken,

Thanks so much for the description, and yes, whatever info you have.
I have the same kind of whole house setup with IR capability
throughout the house. I even have an unused ChannelPlus 4 channel RF
modulator. So, with a bit of guidance, I may be able to do it.

Again, I know it's a bit off topic, but thanks.

Rob


>Robert,
>
>The original post on this idea was mine a while back. I have a
>whole house audio system where the amplifier and preamp are
>centralized in one location. I wanted to be able to hear (and
>control) my sliMP3 from all the locations in the house. I already
>have IR receivers throughout the house that get combined at the
>preamp (Xantech ZPR68) so that all IR gets sent out a set of
>emitters. I placed one of those emitters on the front of the sliMP3
>panel, so I could control it from anywhere in the house (with the
>help of learning remotes).
>
>The only problem was, I had no way to see the UI except if I was
>near a computer. To solve that problem, I used a cheap video
>conferencing camera aimed it at the sliMP3 display, and put it's
>NTSC output into an RF modulator (ChannelPlus). It's modulated on
>channel 82. So, when I put any TV in the house on channel 82, I see
>the front panel of the sliMP3. It works great!
>
>Of course, you could get the same results by using multiple
>SqueezeBoxen and linking them all together - but I already had the
>entire setup ready to go before introducing the sliMP3.
>
>If you want to know more about the different products I'm using, let me know.
>
>Ken
>
>On Aug 10, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
>
>>Are you saying it's possible to have the SB displayed on TVs
>>throughout the house by linking to the in house cable. All my TVs
>>go through a central patch panel with two cables per TV so this
>>could work well. Anyone have some detailed instructions to do this?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>> >>> lists (AT) phillipkerman (DOT) com 8/10/2004 12:02:24 AM >>>
>>>>What I don't understand is why one can't just get a laptop without a
>>>loud
>>>>fan that doesn't cost so much. I'd gladly pay $300 for a laptop as
>>>powerful
>>>>as my 5 year old one... which, of course, isn't worth $300.
>>>>I think it makes sense to concentrate on the audio side of things.
>>>Not
>>>>saying the display doesn't matter.
>>>
>>>Why not a laptop? Remote control, plus a laptop doesn't fit into an
>>>audio rack.
>>>I like the squeezebox for putting them in just about every room of the
>>>house.
>>>When it comes to putting it in with all the other audio stuff, it
>>>sticks out like a
>>>sore thumb. Plus, it has to be on top (ever try stacking something on
>>>it?) or
>>>off to the side. If there ever is a larger version of this thing, it
>>>would be
>>>nice to have a IR input right on the back so I wouldn't have to worry
>>>about
>>>one of those silly stick on emitters.
>>>I have a very quiet front end running another program where I can
>>>control
>>>music from as well. I had never thought about putting that s-video
>>>signal
>>>back into the house cable. Great idea!
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>

Ken Anderson
2004-08-10, 07:15
Rob,

Not much to it once you have all the pieces. Since you already have IR
capability, and you have a modulator, all you have to do is figure out
what channel space is available. What do you have going though your
in-house cable right now? Is it directly off cable, or something else?

What I do is modulate each source on a different station. This is how
it looks:

Unit Channel

TiVo 72
DVD 74
VCR 76
LaserDisc 78
2nd sat 80
sliMP3 82

I have 2 4 channel modulators, then I join them. Here is a fantastic
tutorial on dealing with modulated signals:

http://www.hometech.com/learn/video1.html

This way, you don't have to worry about using notch filters to remove a
region of your TV signal for the sliMP3. But, YMMV.

Ken

On Aug 10, 2004, at 9:19 AM, Robert Zimmerman wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Thanks so much for the description, and yes, whatever info you have. I
> have the same kind of whole house setup with IR capability throughout
> the house. I even have an unused ChannelPlus 4 channel RF modulator.
> So, with a bit of guidance, I may be able to do it.
>
> Again, I know it's a bit off topic, but thanks.
>
> Rob
>
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> The original post on this idea was mine a while back. I have a whole
>> house audio system where the amplifier and preamp are centralized in
>> one location. I wanted to be able to hear (and control) my sliMP3
>> from all the locations in the house. I already have IR receivers
>> throughout the house that get combined at the preamp (Xantech ZPR68)
>> so that all IR gets sent out a set of emitters. I placed one of
>> those emitters on the front of the sliMP3 panel, so I could control
>> it from anywhere in the house (with the help of learning remotes).
>>
>> The only problem was, I had no way to see the UI except if I was near
>> a computer. To solve that problem, I used a cheap video conferencing
>> camera aimed it at the sliMP3 display, and put it's NTSC output into
>> an RF modulator (ChannelPlus). It's modulated on channel 82. So,
>> when I put any TV in the house on channel 82, I see the front panel
>> of the sliMP3. It works great!
>>
>> Of course, you could get the same results by using multiple
>> SqueezeBoxen and linking them all together - but I already had the
>> entire setup ready to go before introducing the sliMP3.
>>
>> If you want to know more about the different products I'm using, let
>> me know.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
>>
>>> Are you saying it's possible to have the SB displayed on TVs
>>> throughout the house by linking to the in house cable. All my TVs
>>> go through a central patch panel with two cables per TV so this
>>> could work well. Anyone have some detailed instructions to do this?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>> >>> lists (AT) phillipkerman (DOT) com 8/10/2004 12:02:24 AM >>>
>>>>> What I don't understand is why one can't just get a laptop without
>>>>> a
>>>> loud
>>>>> fan that doesn't cost so much. I'd gladly pay $300 for a laptop as
>>>> powerful
>>>>> as my 5 year old one... which, of course, isn't worth $300.
>>>>> I think it makes sense to concentrate on the audio side of things.
>>>> Not
>>>>> saying the display doesn't matter.
>>>>
>>>> Why not a laptop? Remote control, plus a laptop doesn't fit into an
>>>> audio rack.
>>>> I like the squeezebox for putting them in just about every room of
>>>> the
>>>> house.
>>>> When it comes to putting it in with all the other audio stuff, it
>>>> sticks out like a
>>>> sore thumb. Plus, it has to be on top (ever try stacking something
>>>> on
>>>> it?) or
>>>> off to the side. If there ever is a larger version of this thing,
>>>> it
>>>> would be
>>>> nice to have a IR input right on the back so I wouldn't have to
>>>> worry
>>>> about
>>>> one of those silly stick on emitters.
>>>> I have a very quiet front end running another program where I can
>>>> control
>>>> music from as well. I had never thought about putting that s-video
>>>> signal
>>>> back into the house cable. Great idea!
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Robert Zimmerman
2004-08-10, 07:39
Ken,

It's pretty much in the process and not fully set up, but it's off
cable, with digital boxes (hd in theater) in the rooms. The intent
on the modulator is to have TiVo, DVD, potential sat available to any
set. As I said, still working on it, but having the SB display could
motivate me to get it up faster!

I'll check out the website and plunge forward!

Rob


>Rob,
>
>Not much to it once you have all the pieces. Since you already have
>IR capability, and you have a modulator, all you have to do is
>figure out what channel space is available. What do you have going
>though your in-house cable right now? Is it directly off cable, or
>something else?
>
>What I do is modulate each source on a different station. This is
>how it looks:
>
>Unit Channel
>
>TiVo 72
>DVD 74
>VCR 76
>LaserDisc 78
>2nd sat 80
>sliMP3 82
>
>I have 2 4 channel modulators, then I join them. Here is a
>fantastic tutorial on dealing with modulated signals:
>
>http://www.hometech.com/learn/video1.html
>
>This way, you don't have to worry about using notch filters to
>remove a region of your TV signal for the sliMP3. But, YMMV.
>
>Ken
>
>On Aug 10, 2004, at 9:19 AM, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
>
>>Ken,
>>
>>Thanks so much for the description, and yes, whatever info you
>>have. I have the same kind of whole house setup with IR capability
>>throughout the house. I even have an unused ChannelPlus 4 channel
>>RF modulator. So, with a bit of guidance, I may be able to do it.
>>
>>Again, I know it's a bit off topic, but thanks.
>>
>>Rob
>>
>>>Robert,
>>>
>>>The original post on this idea was mine a while back. I have a
>>>whole house audio system where the amplifier and preamp are
>>>centralized in one location. I wanted to be able to hear (and
>>>control) my sliMP3 from all the locations in the house. I already
>>>have IR receivers throughout the house that get combined at the
>>>preamp (Xantech ZPR68) so that all IR gets sent out a set of
>>>emitters. I placed one of those emitters on the front of the
>>>sliMP3 panel, so I could control it from anywhere in the house
>>>(with the help of learning remotes).
>>>
>>>The only problem was, I had no way to see the UI except if I was
>>>near a computer. To solve that problem, I used a cheap video
>>>conferencing camera aimed it at the sliMP3 display, and put it's
>>>NTSC output into an RF modulator (ChannelPlus). It's modulated on
>>>channel 82. So, when I put any TV in the house on channel 82, I
>>>see the front panel of the sliMP3. It works great!
>>>
>>>Of course, you could get the same results by using multiple
>>>SqueezeBoxen and linking them all together - but I already had the
>>>entire setup ready to go before introducing the sliMP3.
>>>
>>>If you want to know more about the different products I'm using,
>>>let me know.
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>On Aug 10, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
>>>
>>>>Are you saying it's possible to have the SB displayed on TVs
>>>>throughout the house by linking to the in house cable. All my
>>>>TVs go through a central patch panel with two cables per TV so
>>>>this could work well. Anyone have some detailed instructions to
>>>>do this?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>> >>> lists (AT) phillipkerman (DOT) com 8/10/2004 12:02:24 AM >>>
>>>>>>What I don't understand is why one can't just get a laptop without a
>>>>>loud
>>>>>>fan that doesn't cost so much. I'd gladly pay $300 for a laptop as
>>>>>powerful
>>>>>>as my 5 year old one... which, of course, isn't worth $300.
>>>>>>I think it makes sense to concentrate on the audio side of things.
>>>>>Not
>>>>>>saying the display doesn't matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why not a laptop? Remote control, plus a laptop doesn't fit into an
>>>>>audio rack.
>>>>>I like the squeezebox for putting them in just about every room of the
>>>>>house.
>>>>>When it comes to putting it in with all the other audio stuff, it
>>>>>sticks out like a
>>>>>sore thumb. Plus, it has to be on top (ever try stacking something on
>>>>>it?) or
>>>>>off to the side. If there ever is a larger version of this thing, it
>>>>>would be
>>>>>nice to have a IR input right on the back so I wouldn't have to worry
>>>>>about
>>>>>one of those silly stick on emitters.
>>>>>I have a very quiet front end running another program where I can
>>>>>control
>>>>>music from as well. I had never thought about putting that s-video
>>>>>signal
>>>>>back into the house cable. Great idea!
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>