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Jack Coates
2004-08-08, 08:45
Hi all,

I've seen the Edirol MA-10A speakers recommended for use with a SB or
SliMP3, and I'm ready to expand my music setup, so...

Anyone who's bought them care to share whether you'd buy them again? Is
the bass full enough? I'm concerned about their small size. I'm not a
audiophile by any definition, but I've certainly noticed the poor quality
of bookshelf speakers that I've tried to use in this room before.

The room in question is a narrow living/dining room, about 15 feet wide
and 35 feet long; I'd put my SliMP3 and the Edirols on the mantel piece at
one end.

Currently the sound in that room is provided by two big old Bose speakers
powered from my antique Marantz SR-6000; they're too bass-heavy because my
wife thinks they're ugly and puts them behind furniture :)

--
Jack At Monkeynoodle.Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"Believe what you're told; there'd be chaos if everyone thought for
themselves." -- Top Dog hotdog stand, Berkeley, CA

Jack Coates
2004-08-08, 10:23
> That's a pretty big room for a set of tiny self-powered speakers. How
> tall
> is the ceiling in the room and what volume level do you listen to music
> at?
>

9 feet, moderate volume most of the time, but we do sometimes turn it up
for housecleaning or parties.

> I think you'd probably be better served by simply updating the
> conventional
> speakers you already have and continuing to use your existing amp if it is
> still working well.
>

It's great, the problem is that I want to support more rooms and I don't
want to replace it with a four-channel or put a second amp in the room. A
second amp would be okay if it was small and/or could sit behind a piece
of furniture without being interacted with.

> For good, small bookshelf speakers that defy the bookshelf mold look at
> some
> Paradigm minis.
>
> -J
>

I'll check them out, thanks.


--
Jack At Monkeynoodle.Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"Believe what you're told; there'd be chaos if everyone thought for
themselves." -- Top Dog hotdog stand, Berkeley, CA

Dan Sully
2004-08-08, 11:35
* Jason <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net> shaped the electrons to say...

>For good, small bookshelf speakers that defy the bookshelf mold look at some
>Paradigm minis.

Here's a second for anything by Paradigm - I have the studio series, and they're fantastic.

-D
--
<dr.pox> what're the units of the coefficient of agnosticity? I don't knows per hour?

Jack Coates
2004-08-09, 09:21
>> For good, small bookshelf speakers that defy the bookshelf mold look at
>> some
>> Paradigm minis.
>
> I second that. I bought 2 Paradigm Atoms for "Front Effect Speakers"
> for my Yamaha reciever. It is an auxiliary, 25w pair of channels the
> reciever send some random sounds through. :) Anyways, now, 4
> years later I have moved and don't plan on hooking them back up. So
> I unhooked my Paradigm Monitor 11's, my Servo Reference sub, and
> listened to the Led Zeppelin DVD with just the Atoms on the main
> channels. I was absolutely blown away. Those little speakers can
> really crank out some good sound. Bass sounded good too.
> Obviously, it doesn't touch the Monitor 11's and the Servo
> combination, but for a bookshelf sized speaker, I was more than
> impressed.
>
> Specs for the Atom here:
> http://www.paradigm.ca/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/Performance/PerformanceSpecs.htm
>
> Specs for Mini Monitor here:
> http://www.paradigm.ca/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/MonSeriesII/MonitorSpecs.htm
>

Interesting, but pricey for me... However, if I was going to go with
non-powered speakers, I'd need something to drive them. Any suggestions
for a small, inexpensive amp that will take RCA in and require very little
interaction? Low interaction as in I'd stick it behind a couch or
something.

--
Jack At Monkeynoodle.Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"Believe what you're told; there'd be chaos if everyone thought for
themselves." -- Top Dog hotdog stand, Berkeley, CA

Darren White
2004-08-09, 09:51
> For good, small bookshelf speakers that defy the bookshelf mold look at some
> Paradigm minis.

I second that. I bought 2 Paradigm Atoms for "Front Effect Speakers"
for my Yamaha reciever. It is an auxiliary, 25w pair of channels the
reciever send some random sounds through. :) Anyways, now, 4
years later I have moved and don't plan on hooking them back up. So
I unhooked my Paradigm Monitor 11's, my Servo Reference sub, and
listened to the Led Zeppelin DVD with just the Atoms on the main
channels. I was absolutely blown away. Those little speakers can
really crank out some good sound. Bass sounded good too.
Obviously, it doesn't touch the Monitor 11's and the Servo
combination, but for a bookshelf sized speaker, I was more than
impressed.

Specs for the Atom here:
http://www.paradigm.ca/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/Performance/PerformanceSpecs.htm

Specs for Mini Monitor here:
http://www.paradigm.ca/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/MonSeriesII/MonitorSpecs.htm

Darren White
InterStar Inc.
530-224-6866 x 103

rjw
2004-08-09, 10:01
Jack Coates wrote:
> Interesting, but pricey for me... However, if I was going to go with
> non-powered speakers, I'd need something to drive them. Any suggestions
> for a small, inexpensive amp that will take RCA in and require very little
> interaction? Low interaction as in I'd stick it behind a couch or
> something.

I am in the process of setting up multi-room sound in my house using
Slim products and in-wall/ceiling speakers. The main 'media' room is
hooked up to my main A/V receiver. For the other 4 rooms, I just bought
a Niles 6-way speaker splitter ($99 Circuit City) and cheap, stereo
receiver ($200, same). The secondary receiver is something like 275w,
which results in plenty of power to the various in-ceiling speakers
scattered around.

I looked at purchasing just amps. but there were well out of my price
range (and I'd really hate to buy a really nice amp for driving
in-celiling speakers for what amounts to incidental music around the house).

rjw

kevin
2004-08-09, 10:04
M-Audio also makes some active monitors. I have the BX5s on my
computer at home... They sound pretty good. Passable bass for a 5.25"
woofer.

They don't have rca inputs, though. You have to get an rca -> trs
adapter or rca -> xlr.

They do something really odd that none of my other audio gear does,
though. When the compressor in the fridge in that room kicks on, they
make this crunching noise. But I think that's probably the crap wiring
in the house, not the amplifiers in the speakers. Not sure on this
one.

Also, I would tend to agree with everything everyone has said about
Paradigm. They make excellent speakers.

If you're looking for something active, you might want to check out
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ -- (go to Recording -> Powered
Monitors) they have tons of active monitors there (Edirol, Mackie,
Event, Roland, KRK, M-Audio, Alesis, ESI, Behringer, Fostex, Tannoy,
Yamaha, Genelec), but if cost is an issue you can pretty much ignore
anything from Mackie, Genelec, Tannoy... Also if you want to go hear
any of those, most big music stores have a decent selection. Around
here there's a place called Guitar Center that carries most of the
brands above in a setup where you can easily listen to any of them.

-kevin

On Aug 8, 2004, at 8:45 AM, Jack Coates wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've seen the Edirol MA-10A speakers recommended for use with a SB or
> SliMP3, and I'm ready to expand my music setup, so...
>
> Anyone who's bought them care to share whether you'd buy them again? Is
> the bass full enough? I'm concerned about their small size. I'm not a
> audiophile by any definition, but I've certainly noticed the poor
> quality
> of bookshelf speakers that I've tried to use in this room before.
>
> The room in question is a narrow living/dining room, about 15 feet wide
> and 35 feet long; I'd put my SliMP3 and the Edirols on the mantel
> piece at
> one end.
>
> Currently the sound in that room is provided by two big old Bose
> speakers
> powered from my antique Marantz SR-6000; they're too bass-heavy
> because my
> wife thinks they're ugly and puts them behind furniture :)
>
> --
> Jack At Monkeynoodle.Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
> "Believe what you're told; there'd be chaos if everyone thought for
> themselves." -- Top Dog hotdog stand, Berkeley, CA
>

Carl W. Irving
2004-08-09, 12:33
Depending on your idea of inexpensive and 2x100W is enough for you, the
Onkyo M-282 amplifier (lists for $299, about $230 from J&R) might be what
you want:

http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=M-282&class=Amplifier&p=i

J&R's page for the amp is:
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=1392176#productTabDe tails

I paid $229.99 for mine a few weeks ago.


No, I haven't tried it yet (in-wall speaker installation issues got in the
way).


Cheers,
Cwi

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jack Coates" <jack (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:21:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [slim] Edirol MA-10A speakers

>
> >> For good, small bookshelf speakers that defy the bookshelf mold look
> at
> >> some
> >> Paradigm minis.
> >
> > I second that. I bought 2 Paradigm Atoms for "Front Effect Speakers"
> > for my Yamaha reciever. It is an auxiliary, 25w pair of channels the
> > reciever send some random sounds through. :) Anyways, now, 4
> > years later I have moved and don't plan on hooking them back up. So
> > I unhooked my Paradigm Monitor 11's, my Servo Reference sub, and
> > listened to the Led Zeppelin DVD with just the Atoms on the main
> > channels. I was absolutely blown away. Those little speakers can
> > really crank out some good sound. Bass sounded good too.
> > Obviously, it doesn't touch the Monitor 11's and the Servo
> > combination, but for a bookshelf sized speaker, I was more than
> > impressed.
> >
> > Specs for the Atom here:
> >
> http://www.paradigm.ca/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/Perfo
> rmance/PerformanceSpecs.htm
> >
> > Specs for Mini Monitor here:
> >
> http://www.paradigm.ca/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/MonSe
> riesII/MonitorSpecs.htm
> >
>
> Interesting, but pricey for me... However, if I was going to go with
> non-powered speakers, I'd need something to drive them. Any suggestions
> for a small, inexpensive amp that will take RCA in and require very
> little
> interaction? Low interaction as in I'd stick it behind a couch or
> something.
>
> --
> Jack At Monkeynoodle.Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
> "Believe what you're told; there'd be chaos if everyone thought for
> themselves." -- Top Dog hotdog stand, Berkeley, CA
>

Jack Coates
2004-08-09, 12:47
> Depending on your idea of inexpensive and 2x100W is enough for you, the
> Onkyo M-282 amplifier (lists for $299, about $230 from J&R) might be what
> you want:
>
> http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=M-282&class=Amplifier&p=i
>
> J&R's page for the amp is:
> http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=1392176#productTabDe tails
>
> I paid $229.99 for mine a few weeks ago.
>
>
> No, I haven't tried it yet (in-wall speaker installation issues got in the
> way).
>
....

That is pretty much what I had in mind, but at $230 plus speakers is still
more than I wanted to pay. I just finished ordering a pair of Edirol
MA-20Ds after reading some reviews that suggest the additional power and
larger woofer are sufficient for the job. Worst case scenario, I can put
this setup into a smaller room and see how that sounds.

Thanks for the input everyone, and I'll post a followup on the quality
when I get all the gear and set it up.
--
Jack At Monkeynoodle.Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"Believe what you're told; there'd be chaos if everyone thought for
themselves." -- Top Dog hotdog stand, Berkeley, CA