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alanj
2010-01-28, 18:08
Hi, excuse a rather dumb question ... but exactly where are you supposed to position a Touch?
Given the touch screen I'd have assumed it was meant to be located very close to the user, maybe on a table by the sofa? But if that's the case how do you connect it to the hifi, which typically would sit on the other side of the room.
If it simply replaces the SB3 then I don't see the advantage of the touchscreen.

Am I missing something fundamental here? I guess I'm confused as to whether its supposed to be a player or a controller.

BTW can you imagine using an ipad as the controller?

Cheers
Alan

usch
2010-01-28, 18:33
Am I missing something fundamental here? I guess I'm confused as to whether its supposed to be a player or a controller.
You are supposed to buy two of them - one to be positioned next to your sofa as a controller, and the other one in the stereo rack as a player. ;)

maggior
2010-01-28, 18:38
As I see it, it's similar to finding a location for an SB3. Given the orientation of it, it doesn't fit well in an equipment rack. And who would want to put it in a rack and hide the display?

My main SB3 sits on top of my center channel speaker, which sits in the middle of the credenza that sits below my wall mounted flat panel TV. If I were to purchase a SB Touch, I'd put it in the same place.

You can control it with a remote (no controller required) from the couch. And if you happen to be up near it, you can make use of the touchscreen.

JJZolx
2010-01-28, 19:14
Hi, excuse a rather dumb question ... but exactly where are you supposed to position a Touch?
Given the touch screen I'd have assumed it was meant to be located very close to the user, maybe on a table by the sofa? But if that's the case how do you connect it to the hifi, which typically would sit on the other side of the room.

I think that's a question everyone's asked themselves. It's a bit of a head scratcher. You really have to position it by the hifi unless you can run cables from near the listening position to the hifi, which most people cannot. One small difference in placement between the Touch and SB Classic may be that many people will position it up higher, such as on top of the stereo cabinet, so that they can use the touch interface if they're near it. It really is a lot nicer than the remote interface for selecting music, but it obviously negates the advantages of remote control.

audiomuze
2010-01-28, 22:16
Hi, excuse a rather dumb question ... but exactly where are you supposed to position a Touch? <snip>
If it simply replaces the SB3 then I don't see the advantage of the touchscreen.Other than novelty and geek appeal I can't fathom its purpose either. Seems rather gimmicky to me, especially given a network music player there's hardly a rational need to walk over to your hi-fi, except perhaps to turn it on/off if you've unplugged it or powered it down altogether. But hey, I'm sure some guru in marketing thought it'd be the next killer feature.



BTW can you imagine using an ipad as the controllerMost definitely, albeit it'd be an expensive Controller. You'd have thought that Logitech could easily have created a similar touchscreen device to serve as a wireless remote rather than put the touchscreen where few would benefit from it...hell it might've even been a Controller that works.

discodice
2010-01-29, 00:01
Other than novelty and geek appeal I can't fathom its purpose either. Seems rather gimmicky to me, especially given a network music player there's hardly a rational need to walk over to your hi-fi, except perhaps to turn it on/off if you've unplugged it or powered it down altogether. But hey, I'm sure some guru in marketing thought it'd be the next killer feature.

My SB Touch is going on the wall at eye level right next to a wall-mounted shelf stereo. Aside from its full-color screen that displays album art, I think the touch feature is right up there. It will be easy for guests to pick out songs they like a la touchscreen jukeboxes you see at bars - not to mention a pretty slick addition to the living room/dining area wallspace.

autopilot
2010-01-29, 01:10
Mine is the kitchen and is controlled via the touch screen interface 90% of the time, its great and very nice to use.

Dont forget there is a distance UI when using the IR remote etc, so it can be used out of reach. It has the flexibility to be both.

peterw
2010-01-29, 06:39
My decent audio-only setup has the amp, Squeezebox, and CD player by the main seating position. I think it's funny how many people with audio-only setups still put their gear dead center between their speakers. Makes sense for those of you with $5,000 USD setups with extra-short, extra-stiff speaker wires, but the rest of us?

autopilot
2010-01-29, 07:58
My decent audio-only setup has the amp, Squeezebox, and CD player by the main seating position. I think it's funny how many people with audio-only setups still put their gear dead center between their speakers. Makes sense for those of you with $5,000 USD setups with extra-short, extra-stiff speaker wires, but the rest of us?

It's very true, most people do seem to think its more essential to have your AMP/transport etc in a good position than themselves and compromise their listening position.

aubuti
2010-01-29, 08:09
I guess I'm confused as to whether its supposed to be a player or a controller.
It's supposed to be whatever you want it to be ;o)

For a long time during the testing period I used mine only as a controller for an SB3 connected to my hifi about 10 feet away. More recently I have connected the Touch to the hifi, and it will probably stay there because I think it sounds better than the SB3. I'll control it via some combination of the touchscreen, the IR remote, and one of my SBCs.

alfista
2010-01-29, 09:53
You can control it with a remote (no controller required) from the couch. And if you happen to be up near it, you can make use of the touchscreen.
Exactly. I don't see the problem here. It's a player with a display which happens to double as a local (as opposed to remote) control. Convenient when you're up close without detracting from the usability when you're not.
I'm just guessing here, but I expect that today a touch screen could often be a cheaper alternative than controls of a more mechanical fashion.
Continuing to guess since I haven't used a Touch; local control might not seem all that necessary, but given that there is no web interface to the server, having some other way than the remote to configure and maintain the server makes good sense.
So, even if some users might not use the touchscreen on a daily basis it probably doesn't add much or anything to the price, doesn't get in the way when it's not used and let's face it, most of our gadgets have functions we rarely or never use.

aubuti
2010-01-29, 10:09
I'm just guessing here, but I expect that today a touch screen could often be a cheaper alternative than controls of a more mechanical fashion.
Good point. I don't think the fancy knob on the Transporter could have been very cheap. On that note, I'm puzzled by the puzzlement of others about the utility of the touchscreen. I don't recall similar discussions about front panel controls on the TP or the Boom. I do recall several of the forum enthusiasts practically drooling over how great the TP knob is. Like the TP's knob and buttons, some will use the touchscreen and some won't.

erland
2010-01-29, 10:43
One small difference in placement between the Touch and SB Classic may be that many people will position it up higher, such as on top of the stereo cabinet, so that they can use the touch interface if they're near it.

The problem I've seen on my beta unit is that the viewing angle of the screen isn't too good from below. I've actually put a brick under the stand to make it stand in a more upright position to get good visibility from sitting position in the sofa.

This might of course be a beta unit issue, the production devices might be better. Mine has a lot better viewing angle from above than from below.

As long as you are positioned in 90 degree angle to the screen or above it works great. The problem is that due to the stand it's normally tilted a bit backwards so you really need to be above the device to make the screen work really good, at least when viewed from a distance.

JJZolx
2010-01-29, 11:11
The problem I've seen on my beta unit is that the viewing angle of the screen isn't too good from below. I've actually put a brick under the stand to make it stand in a more upright position to get good visibility from sitting position in the sofa.

I have mine sitting on my desk at the moment, but I sometimes do the same thing - I place a pad of Post-It notes under the stand.


This might of course be a beta unit issue, the production devices might be better. Mine has a lot better viewing angle from above than from below.

Settings > Advanced > Diagnostics. Hardware version 5 is the production rev, I believe.


As long as you are positioned in 90 degree angle to the screen or above it works great. The problem is that due to the stand it's normally tilted a bit backwards so you really need to be above the device to make the screen work really good, at least when viewed from a distance.

This is true. The ideal viewing angle is bit above 90 degrees. Probably about 110 degrees. So there's a bit of a conflict in the design when it comes to touch vs. remote usage.

erland
2010-01-29, 11:24
Settings > Advanced > Diagnostics. Hardware version 5 is the production rev, I believe.

I have hardware revision 5 on mine.

JohnSwenson
2010-01-29, 16:10
Mine has spent most of its time in the "lab" sitting right next to me so I use the touch interface most of the time. I like the touch interface very much.

I've had it in the listening room for a while sitting in the rack connected to my DAC. In this position its mostly remote controlled. I'm pretty much split between using IR remote and an SBC. In this configuration I really miss the Touch interface.

Having a control interface on the player is actually very handy. With the SB3 I frequently wind up in a situation where I'm in front of the rack and want to play something while I check out something (setting volume controls, checking out polarities whatever) and I have to go to the listening chair, grab the remote do what I need. Then I usually forget to take it back to the chair, so the next time I sit down to listen the remote is on the other side of the room. With the Touch the control surface is always there with it, even if I don't use it all the time.

I'm probably going to get another one for use as a controller. One sits in the rack and I have one next to me in the listening chair. Then of course I'll need yet another for the lab! I guess I'm well and truly hooked!

For me at least a big advantage of the Touch as controller is that you can plug a USB stick in and play music without having to load it into the server. I was surprised at how often that actually happened and it was a real pain in the neck to deal with. With the Touch right next to me, just plug it in, wait a few seconds and I can start browsing the stick.

John S.

adydula
2010-01-29, 18:38
How long can the audio cables be from the Touch to the Receiver or Pre-amp? The L/R RCA Analog outs?

Can you have these cables be 15 ft -- 20 ft without audio degradation??

So you dont have to buy a second touch for a remote controller?

Alex

m1abrams
2010-01-29, 21:13
If you use this device with a nice headphone setup like I plan to the Touch interface will be perfect since my headphone amp is usually within arms reach I can set this right on top and easily control the music.

GeeJay
2010-01-29, 22:48
One of my SB3s is on a bar top in my gameroom, so if (when) I get one it will got there. I have a stereo on shelves above the wet bar. It makes sense for me since a lot of my listening is done while shooting pool and mixing drinks.

Of course, I must be convinced that all my plug-ins work before I make that investment....

usch
2010-01-30, 00:21
Of course, I must be convinced that all my plug-ins work before I make that investment....
That's a sore point. All my favorite plugins that display information MusicInfoSCR, RSS News Ticker, SaverSwitcher won't work. I (naively?) presumed that there would be a compatibility layer that emulates the traditional text display on the LCD screen, but apparently this is not the case. The playlist-generating plugins should work when run on a dedicated server, but you might not be able to control them from the touch screen since the menu structure has changed. Whether the built-in TinySC/TinySBS will support any plugins is still unclear to me.

JJZolx
2010-01-30, 00:28
Whether the built-in TinySC/TinySBS will support any plugins is still unclear to me.

It will not.

Edit: Plugins aren't officially supported. Since TinySC is really just the full SbS with a few things disabled, there's no reason you couldn't SSH into the Touch and install plugins. You'll have to know what you're doing and it could easily crash the server unexpectedly if the plugin causes the system to run out of memory.

erland
2010-01-30, 00:59
That's a sore point. All my favorite plugins that display information MusicInfoSCR, RSS News Ticker, SaverSwitcher won't work.

- The Screen Switcher applet has similar functionality as Saver Switcher, currently it have the same automatic switching functionality as Saver Switcher but it still doesn't have the manual switch functionality which Saver Switcher supports.
- The Information Screen applet/plugin combination was my first try to do something similar as MusicInfoSCR, but that one has a long way to go before it's even close to the usefulness of MusicInfoSCR.



The playlist-generating plugins should work when run on a dedicated server, but you might not be able to control them from the touch screen since the menu structure has changed.

Depends on which playlist-generating plugins you refer to, I think all of mine should work.

timearp
2010-02-02, 04:27
Interesting topic, I plan to get a touch for my spare room/office/upstairs stero system. When the room is being used as an office I can use the web interface, when the stereo is being used as the primary sound (SWMBO getting ready/in bed) then the touch screen/web interface can be used. Therfore it will be placed on top of the existing Denon UD-M30 (probably replaced in next year or so) which is just above waist height, hopefully positioning the Touch at the perfect height!

A SBC would do the job fine, but I think the touch screen will be an extra function that I want to make the device more wife friendly (she is as yet, unconverted).

As to positioning equipment near you (CD/DVD/Amp/etc), this is something that I'm looking at more and more and once have my own house intend to do. I'd like the luxury of having a room for audio and one for video, failing that the room will be setup for both. The video screen will be placed for viewing and the audio speakers (I don't use 5.1 just 2.0) for listening, all the associated equipment will not be near them. How I'll do this within a reasonable budget I'm not sure yet but I have plans!

FredFredrickson
2010-02-08, 08:07
I keep mine right next to my bed. Just within arms reach when I'm on my laptop, or reading a book. (or, you know, falling asleep, which i do sometimes as well)...

Personally, If I had enough money, I'd install one of these things in the wall next to every light switch in my house. That'd just be nice. Then I'd run optical cables. It might get pricey, but it's worth it.

mortslim
2010-02-13, 12:06
This thread reminds me of how, many years ago, I got the best reception from my television with a rabbit ears antenna on top. I had my little brother stand next to the tv holding the antennas and adjusting them as needed.