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Jason
2004-08-04, 21:33
What is the point of the enhanced display if it won't be used for this
"worthless eye candy" that you are ranting about?

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[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of Daryle A. Tilroe
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:04 PM
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Subject: [slim] New capabilities in SBG

kdf wrote:

> about it owuld mean it might excite someone into doing soe work to
> make some progress on it while freeing Dean and Vidur to work on more
> pressing issues. I really hope this doesnt degenerate into 'gimme
> gimme'. It would be a real disservice if graphics wholly took over
> from everything else that could use a bit of improvement. However,
> the vis is really the major departure in regards to graphics. SBG is
> basically the same in feature as the SB, but with nicer fonts :)

Now that the legibility of the display, particularly with respect to large
fonts, has been addressed IMHO visualizations should be way, way down the
list of priorities. Eye candy at best and a waste of bandwidth and
processing power at worst. I mean how often do you really need a spectrum
display or some other distracting crud on your squeezebox? It should be
about music first; thus bug fixes, rock solid stability, bandwidth related
enhancements (such as native FLAC), and more streaming options (such as
RealAudio) should be the priority. Just my 2 cents as a 2 going on 3
squeezebox owner.

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Daryle A. Tilroe

Mike Kozlowski
2004-08-04, 22:28
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Jason wrote:

> What is the point of the enhanced display if it won't be used for this
> "worthless eye candy" that you are ranting about?

It displays the useful information better. The large text on the
old-style display is ugly, and the small text is just a wee bit too small.
The much more attractive large text on the new display, the
larger-bottom-line mode that boosts the small text up to legibility, and
the proportional fonts all combine to make it look much nicer.

Visualizations? Well, some people like them, so if adding 'em in will
sell Squeezeboxen, hey, whatever. But for my own part, they make me think
I should be jamming a subwoofer in my trunk, and I'd much rather have
streaming FLAC or perf improvements.

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Mike Kozlowski
http://www.klio.org/mlk/

Daryle A. Tilroe
2004-08-04, 22:46
Jason wrote:
> What is the point of the enhanced display if it won't be used for this
> "worthless eye candy" that you are ranting about?

Smoother looking display, better legibility (particularly on
large fonts), mixed sizes, better scrolling/animation, other
language characters, etc.

BTW I never actually used the word "worthless" just "distracting
crud". ;-P However, I'm sure some people just love to look at
the spectrum of their music rather than listening to it; or have
such lousy taste in music that it is enhanced by staring at
swirling circles on a 1.5"x7" display across the room. :-) Whatever
floats your boat. I just consider the usability/stability of the
product, quality of sound, and access to music/programming higher
priorities and the most important parts of the experience.


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Daryle A. Tilroe

Steve Burling
2004-08-05, 10:49
--On Wednesday, August 4, 2004 10:33 PM -0600 Jason <jason (AT) pagefamily (DOT) net>
wrote:

> What is the point of the enhanced display if it won't be used for this
> "worthless eye candy" that you are ranting about?

To which I reply:

And that's why I won't be ordering the upgrade... Don't need eye candy to
listen to music.

Steve Baumgarten
2004-08-05, 12:19
> I DO appreciate the music, however, I also have a social life, and what
> better way to show off the new Squeezebox display when entertaining guests
> than with some snazzy new eye candy?

It was a bit of a toss up for me, too. I too don't much care about
visualizations; I just want to listen to music.

On the other hand, there's something to be said for having a display
that's easy to read even across the room -- makes choosing another album
without leaving the couch a whole lot easier.

So for me it's like saying "I don't need a remote; I just want to watch
TV". The improved display now makes the remote much more usable and the
whole listening experience more convenient for me.

(Yes, I remember a time when you had to stand up, walk several feet, and
turn a dial on your television set to change the channel or volume. My
goodness, how did we ever surivive?! My kids will never believe me when I
tell them -- these are the same kids who, upon seeing an old manual
typewriter I keep around for trips down memory lane, wanted to know where
the erase key was.)

So having said all that, I ordered one yesterday.

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