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autopilot
2010-01-01, 12:57
Just out of interest really...

Philip Meyer
2010-01-01, 13:01
I don't plan to use it.

I have a local SBS with all my music on it, and my PC is always on, so no need for it, esp. seeing it's got restricted functionality, and would look a bit untidy on my desk.

JJZolx
2010-01-01, 14:15
I have no real plans to use it. I've never had a friend "bring around a USB drive", but I suppose it could happen some day.

garym
2010-01-01, 14:26
I will use one with 1TB USB drive attached to replace a SB3 I currently use at the weekend house with mysb.com. So now I'll have internet radio AND my music collection instead of having to switch between IPOD and SB. and I can control all of it from the deck with ipeng. At home I'll continue to use SbS on computer.

grego.speiser
2010-01-01, 17:48
I look forward to being able to shut off an old desktop that I have been running constantly as a music server for two squeeze devices and as a video server for an old xbmc xbox.

With a touch and a recently purchased WDTV live, my electrical use will be reduced considerably.

Currently I control my squeezeboxes with Ipeng and a laptop. With the touch, I guess I would continue to use the laptop but with Moose installed given the lack of web interface.

Mnyb
2010-01-01, 19:23
I'm not gona use it, I need plugins and transcoding and web-UI .
And I already have a mini-itx server with relatively low carbon footprint anyway.

garym
2010-01-01, 20:29
Currently I control my squeezeboxes with Ipeng and a laptop. With the touch, I guess I would continue to use the laptop but with Moose installed given the lack of web interface.

you'll still be able to use ipeng on your itouch to control the sb touch based on my understanding. Ipeng is not using thw web interface to control players.

pippin
2010-01-01, 20:35
you'll still be able to use ipeng on your itouch to control the sb touch based on my understanding. Ipeng is not using thw web interface to control players.

That's true. At least for the iPeng AppStore App.

georgeh
2010-01-01, 22:30
Since I'm new to the SB world, I have not set up a server yet. Therfore, the Touch will be perfect for me - set one up in the HT next to the router, so I can get a hard line to the Touch, and then use it as a server for the Radio in the bedroom, a future Boom in the garage, and perhaps another Touch or Transporter in the 2-channel listening room.

usch
2010-01-01, 22:42
I can't really answer that by now. It depends on how tiny the TinySC will be.

The main reason why I am currently ripping everything to disk is that I want automatic playlists to remind me of all the great music I have. I'm sure there are CDs I haven't played for ten years or longer even though they were my favorites back then, let alone the vinyl. So what I need are playlists based on track and album ratings and on "last played" dates. If the Touch does provide that functionality, I might eventually use it as my main server once large flash drives become affordable. I don't want yet another chunky buzzing hard disk in my living room.

If the Touch doesn't provide that functionality by itself and doesn't have the CPU power to run Erland's plugins, the server won't be of much use for me. I would at most use it occasionally with a small flash drive as a fallback server when my PC with the full library is off, or maybe I would not buy a Touch at all.

erland
2010-01-01, 23:05
I have no real plans to use it as I have a 24/7 server with more functionality already today. I've never had a friend bring around a USB drive, when friends bring music it's usually on a phone and they've usually forgot to bring the USB cable.

Still, I think TinySC will be popular as main server for a lot of users in the mass market. However, those aren't really represented on this forum which makes me think that TinySC will be more popular in reality compared to this poll.

Philip Meyer
2010-01-02, 01:07
>Still, I think TinySC will be popular as main server for a lot of users
>in the mass market.
>
I don't know about TinySC, but ultimately it's good to have the choice. The worry for me is that main server functionality will get watered down due to TinySC requirements and lack of development resources.

>However, those aren't really represented on this
>forum which makes me think that TinySC will be more popular in reality
>compared to this poll.
>
You're right - forum polls are usually a total waste of time, as they are unrepresentitive.

dave77
2010-01-02, 11:41
Depends on how well it works really. My current server is used only for SBS at the moment so ideally the Touch will replace it, not too bothered about the web interface. Only problem I see is that the Touch will not be wired to the router so getting music to the Boom will be 2 wireless hops

aubuti
2010-01-02, 14:29
Like a lot of these polls the choices are a neither exhaustive nor mutually-exclusive, so it's not always easy to choose and definitely take any "results" with a grain of salt. For me the closest response is "I have no interest it using it at all really." I have a low power consumption server running 24/7 in the basement; don't want a whirring external HDD in the living room with the SB Touch; don't feel like buying a newer, quieter external drive; and like the plugins I use like MusicIP, WDT, SDT, Album Review, Biography, etc. Maybe some time a friend will come by with some tunes on a USB stick to plug in, but that would be about it.

toby10
2010-01-02, 15:34
I think it's a "wait and see".
How people plan to use it may vary greatly to how (and how often) it is actually used once the limitations of TinySC are better known to the user.
Not knocking it, but I think many will not fully understand the differences between SBS and TinySC until it is actually used.

Many "planned" to use the SB Radio for an alarm clock..... ;)

autopilot
2010-01-02, 15:47
Like a lot of these polls the choices are a neither exhaustive nor mutually-exclusive, so it's not always easy to choose and definitely take any "results" with a grain of salt. For me the closest response is "I have no interest it using it at all really." I have a low power consumption server running 24/7 in the basement; don't want a whirring external HDD in the living room with the SB Touch; don't feel like buying a newer, quieter external drive; and like the plugins I use like MusicIP, WDT, SDT, Album Review, Biography, etc. Maybe some time a friend will come by with some tunes on a USB stick to plug in, but that would be about it.

Fair enough. It was not meant as an in depth scientific study, just A bit of curiosity on my behalf.

Other forums would see a diferent result, I think more seasoned SB users around here are more likely to have existing servers/nas. But on other forums I have see a great deal of interest in it as the primary server, esspecially from people coming to squeezebox for the first time, PC's and NAS's are a big turn off for many.

Anyway, don't take the poll too seriously. Was not meant to be.

aubuti
2010-01-02, 20:25
Fair enough. It was not meant as an in depth scientific study, just A bit of curiosity on my behalf.

Other forums would see a diferent result, I think more seasoned SB users around here are more likely to have existing servers/nas. But on other forums I have see a great deal of interest in it as the primary server, esspecially from people coming to squeezebox for the first time, PC's and NAS's are a big turn off for many.

Anyway, don't take the poll too seriously. Was not meant to be.
Don't worry, I wasn't ;o)

I agree that a lot of new users -- plus current users who aren't forum regulars -- will really like the idea of running the server on the SBT. And if they've never had plugins, they won't miss them when they can't have them.

toby10
2010-01-03, 04:32
...... on other forums I have see a great deal of interest in it as the primary server, esspecially from people coming to squeezebox for the first time, PC's and NAS's are a big turn off for many.....

Good point, they won't know what they are missing so they may well be very happy with how TinySC functions.

mdconnelly
2010-01-03, 14:33
I'll definitely give it a try and see what I'm missing... I would like to eliminate my 24x7 computer if I can and just put a 1tb drive connected to the Touch.

mpower9
2010-01-03, 18:49
I have recently bought at Squeezebox Radio for an alarm clock. (It works fine for me.) I have become hooked on the whole Squeezebox concept. I don't have much music on my computer at the moment, but I have a project in hand to rip my vinyl records. I want to put that music on a separate drive and attach it to my stereo so that is one of the Touch features that I am looking forward to since I am a compulsive turner-offer and don't like to leave too many gadgets powered up.

signor_rossi
2010-01-04, 03:10
I will use TinySC if there will be a solution to enable streaming of my (steadily) increasing collection of 24/96 flac files to my old SB players Boom, Classic and Receiver. Knowing that transcoding these files on the Touch won't work I would transcode them beforehand on a PC and so have them in my collection twice. The software just shouldn't display them twice and serve the right files to the right players.
BTW, will the Touch with TinySC behave the same as without in regard to MySqueezebox.com? I mean, is there a use for MySqueezebox.com on a Touch with TinySC? And will the Touch have WOL functionality? And won't the Touch transcode at all? I mean, what if the wireless collection to another player is so poor that even low resolution flac would need too much bandwith? How is that handled?

JJZolx
2010-01-04, 03:26
I will use TinySC if there will be a solution to enable streaming of my (steadily) increasing collection of 24/96 flac files to my old SB players Boom, Classic and Receiver. Knowing that transcoding these files on the Touch won't work I would transcode them beforehand on a PC and so have them in my collection twice. The software just shouldn't display them twice and serve the right files to the right players.

I don't see that ever happening in either TinySC on the Touch or the full blown Squeezebox Server. It's essentially the same request that people want to serve only the Flac version of music if both Flac and Mp3 versions are present in the library. Maybe your best alternative would to label the albums to differentiate them.

My Album [96k]
My Album [48k]


BTW, will the Touch with TinySC behave the same as without in regard to MySqueezebox.com? I mean, is there a use for MySqueezebox.com on a Touch with TinySC?

From recent discussions, it may rely on mysb.com even more than a player attached to BigSC.


And will the Touch have WOL functionality?

To wake the Touch itself? I doubt it. The philosophy has always been "leave it on". It doesn't even have a power button, like every other Squeezebox.


And won't the Touch transcode at all? I mean, what if the wireless collection to another player is so poor that even low resolution flac would need too much bandwith? How is that handled?

AFAIK, there will be no transcoding. Squeezebox Server has never automatically transcoded lossless to a lossy format when it detected a bad connection (actually, the server has never even detected bad connections - you just get dropouts). But with TinySC on Touch, bitrate limiting is not an option at all.

Themis
2010-01-04, 03:35
I will use TinySC if there will be a solution to enable streaming of my (steadily) increasing collection of 24/96 flac files to my old SB players Boom, Classic and Receiver. Knowing that transcoding these files on the Touch won't work I would transcode them beforehand on a PC and so have them in my collection twice. The software just shouldn't display them twice and serve the right files to the right players.
You need the "Multi Library" plugin for that(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/PluginsAudio). I don't know whether it will be rewritten for TinySC, though.

signor_rossi
2010-01-04, 04:00
Thanks for the answers.


From recent discussions, it may rely on mysb.com even more than a player attached to BigSC.

My underrstanding of MySB.com is that it provides services the 'dumb' thin client players can't provide when there is no local SBS on a dedicated machine, like 'Favourites storing', 'player configuration' or 'alarm functionality' for example. Now what would I need the MySB.com SC servers for for the Touch with TinySC anymore?



To wake the Touch itself? I doubt it. The philosophy has always been "leave it on". It doesn't even have a power button, like every other Squeezebox.

Won't at least the display suffer excessive wearing from 'Always on'?



Squeezebox Server has never automatically transcoded lossless to a lossy format when it detected a bad connection (actually, the server has never even detected bad connections - you just get dropouts).
But you can set 'Bitrate Limiting' manually for specific players, which is what I meant. But I guess I will simply resort to Powerline networking to get a connection to my Boom in the kitchen. :-)

JJZolx
2010-01-04, 04:04
To wake the Touch itself? I doubt it.

Check that... It's not "I doubt it", it's simply not possible. When the Touch is plugged in it's always on. There is an "off", which is really "stand by", just like previous Squeezeboxes. They put a pseudo-power button on the Home page that you can touch to turn the Touch "Off", or use the Power button on the remote. This (by default) turns the screen off, but it can also be configured to run a screensaver, such as one of the clocks. TinySC still continues to run and an attached USB drive still spins.

erland
2010-01-04, 04:11
You need the "Multi Library" plugin for that(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/PluginsAudio). I don't know whether it will be rewritten for TinySC, though.

TinySC doesn't support third party plugins and in particular Multi Library/Custom Browse will never be possible to use on TinySC due to their memory usage.

I'm pretty sure TinySC won't be focused on supporting advanced setups like this, so I think you will need to use different album names (as JJZolx suggests) or put them in different folders and use browse "Music Folder" to browse the library.

erland
2010-01-04, 04:13
But you can set 'Bitrate Limiting' manually for specific players, which is what I meant. But I guess I will simply resort to Powerline networking to get a connection to my Boom in the kitchen. :-)

As you probably already have realized, "Bitrate Limiting" requires transcoding and won't be supported on TinySC.

local.bin
2010-01-04, 04:19
I don't normally think about things that far in advance ;)

If I must, the DS109+ works well, so will likely stick with that ... will give TinySC a try though to see what it can do ....

jamesg
2010-01-04, 08:47
I plan to use the Host USB interface with a 500G harddrive. This increases the WAF significantly. With no existing SB's in place, this is a no brainer and removes any network or computer issues for my family.

In the future with a 24/7 NAS and other SB's around the house, I expect my family to become comfortable with a networked solution.

I believe the Host USB interface will create a new entry point into the market for SBs as not everyone is as technically literate as those on this forum. I also don't need more support calls from home when I'm traveling.

Hopefully I can make this a Valentines' day gift to my wife.

ModelCitizen
2010-01-04, 11:04
I find that I use my main PC less and less. The iPhone and the laptop have taken over most of what I used to use it for.

Whether I use the Touch's TinySBS will depend upon how fast it is, whether BBC iPlayer plugin will run on it reliably (a deal breaker) and possibly if some other plugins work OK on it or not.

I will really miss MusicIP though... and upon reflection that might be enough by itself to stop me using TinySBS.

MC

Keymaster
2010-01-04, 18:46
Probably not all that much myself, but I've discussed with others and they seem to be keen on the concept.

Likely scenario would be a friend's/artist @ the studio's usb key to have a quick listen to something. Main collection will remain on a PC.

iPhone
2010-01-04, 18:51
I picked the first choice even though it is not as accurate as how I will actually be using TinySBS.

When the Touch is in the house, it will mainly be used with a full time SBS Server not TinySBS. But if somebody brings over some tunes, it will be used in TinySBS.

When in the Expedition, it will be TinySBS as the Toughbook has already been replaced by the Touch and a large USB drive.

TinySBS only at the cabin on weekends.

So on the weekends it will be full time TinySBS as well as when I am Mobile in the vehicle. So like 42 precent TinySBS and 58 precent without TinySBS.

The plan is to put a full time one in both vehicles so I can stop moving the one I have all over the place (and get the Mac Mini out of the Thunderbird). One for the Whole House System wall mounted beside the household control panel and one in any room that doesn't already have a Squeezebox or might that benefit from a Touch upgrade and move the current unit to another room. Will probably still keep taking the one out of the SUV into the cabin on weekends unless they sell so well that the price comes down to where it makes sense to just buy one for the cabin too.

georgeh
2010-01-04, 22:37
I plan to get around the transcoding problems by having two Touches. One, in my 2 channel listening room, will be connected to a USB drive that has nothing but FLAC, and it will not be used to stream to any other players. The other will be in the HT room, with it's own USB drive containing MP3 files. It will have a hard line to the wireless router, and will stream MP3 to the Radio and Boom wirelessly.

This works for me, where I only have one room where I care about the possibility of sound degredation due to MP3 encoding, and I also don't care to synchronize that room with the rest. Two USB drives is still cheaper than a good NAS, near as I can tell.

At least, I think this will work - am I correct?

JJZolx
2010-01-04, 23:17
I plan to get around the transcoding problems by having two Touches. One, in my 2 channel listening room, will be connected to a USB drive that has nothing but FLAC, and it will not be used to stream to any other players. The other will be in the HT room, with it's own USB drive containing MP3 files. It will have a hard line to the wireless router, and will stream MP3 to the Radio and Boom wirelessly.

This works for me, where I only have one room where I care about the possibility of sound degredation due to MP3 encoding, and I also don't care to synchronize that room with the rest. Two USB drives is still cheaper than a good NAS, near as I can tell.

At least, I think this will work - am I correct?

Why not just stream FLAC to the Radio and Boom and have one Touch acting as server for the whole network? You don't have to transcode FLAC to any device released since the SB2, as they all play FLAC natively.

georgeh
2010-01-05, 07:54
^Good to know, thanks. I may have a network bandwidth issue streaming FLAC, particularly for 24/96 music, but there are ways to solve that.

funkstar
2010-01-05, 13:48
^Good to know, thanks. I may have a network bandwidth issue streaming FLAC, particularly for 24/96 music, but there are ways to solve that.
24/96 won't stream to the Boom as that would require transcoding. It will stream to the Radio though.

DaveWr
2010-01-05, 17:06
Why not just stream FLAC to the Radio and Boom and have one Touch acting as server for the whole network? You don't have to transcode FLAC to any device released since the SB2, as they all play FLAC natively.

Yes they do but not at high bit rates, the SB3 and Boom require transcoding. So all the new studio master material will not work for SB3 / Boom in a TinySC / Touch environment. I am also assuming for us UK types that BBC radio services will be a problem, unless we use low bit rate MySB.com.

The Touch server will fit new customers well, but has significant deficiencies for the old customers, indeed many useful plugins either cannot or will not be recoded to work in a LUA environment.

Dave

JJZolx
2010-01-05, 17:54
^Good to know, thanks. I may have a network bandwidth issue streaming FLAC, particularly for 24/96 music, but there are ways to solve that.

As the others have said, the older players won't be able to play the 24/96 content and the Touch won't be able to transcode/resample for those players.

Back to the 'two Touch' approach...

I'd avoid it. It purposely works around perhaps the single most elegant thing about the Squeezebox system: the ability to maintain a central server that feeds numerous Squeezeboxes on your network. With a central server you don't need to keep a sync'd MP3 mirror of your FLAC library. Squeezebox Server does any transcoding on the fly. With a central server the other Squeezeboxes will be served the highest quality possible stream, not MP3. If you're serving 16/44.1 content then they'll get the original FLAC. If it's 24/96 then Squeezebox Server will downsample it to 24/48 and stream it in FLAC.

You don't need a NAS to do this. A NAS solves nothing for the application of a Squeezebox music server. Set up an inexpensive, headless PC with a single music library drive and make sure you keep a backup of the library. You don't need RAID, and you don't need the expense of a NAS.

georgeh
2010-01-05, 19:18
As the others have said, the older players won't be able to play the 24/96 content and the Touch won't be able to transcode/resample for those players.

Back to the 'two Touch' approach...

I'd avoid it. It purposely works around perhaps the single most elegant thing about the Squeezebox system: the ability to maintain a central server that feeds numerous Squeezeboxes on your network. With a central server you don't need to keep a sync'd MP3 mirror of your FLAC library. Squeezebox Server does any transcoding on the fly. With a central server the other Squeezeboxes will be served the highest quality possible stream, not MP3. If you're serving 16/44.1 content then they'll get the original FLAC. If it's 24/96 then Squeezebox Server will downsample it to 24/48 and stream it in FLAC.

You don't need a NAS to do this. A NAS solves nothing for the application of a Squeezebox music server. Set up an inexpensive, headless PC with a single music library drive and make sure you keep a backup of the library. You don't need RAID, and you don't need the expense of a NAS.


Actually, a better description would be the two *drive* approach, since I'll eventaully have two Touches no matter what (assuming they work well, LOL).

Too bad about the Boom not handling 24/96. Although, the vast majority of my music will be Redbook rips, and the Boom isn't exactly a audiophile device, so I'm not worried if I can't stream that content to the Boom.

But, you do make some good points. We'll see. As others have stated, it will be interesting to see how many plugins get re-coded for the Touch. I suspect many will, at least if Logitech sells a lot of Touches, which seems likely.

For the time being I'm going to start with one Touch in the dedicated 2 channel room (24/96, hooray! Excellent digital and analog sections, hooray! $300 double-hooray!), using an existing USB drive & TinySC, since I've already validated via my Radio that my wireless network can't support FLAC streaming (too many dropouts) in that room. This is no doubt due to the fact that my PC running SS uses wireless to communicate to the Router, so I am overloading the wireless bandwidth with double-FLAC traffic. For the Radio, for the time being I'll just continue to use the PC/SS combo to stream MP3 files and leave it on 24/7.

When I do get the second Touch for the HT/Living Room, which will be hardwired to the Router, I'll have to make a decision about using the PC vs. TinySC as the main server. But that decision is a ways off.

Thanks for the feedback!

jimbo45
2010-01-06, 05:06
As the others have said, the older players won't be able to play the 24/96 content and the Touch won't be able to transcode/resample for those players.

Back to the 'two Touch' approach...

I'd avoid it. It purposely works around perhaps the single most elegant thing about the Squeezebox system: the ability to maintain a central server that feeds numerous Squeezeboxes on your network. With a central server you don't need to keep a sync'd MP3 mirror of your FLAC library. Squeezebox Server does any transcoding on the fly. With a central server the other Squeezeboxes will be served the highest quality possible stream, not MP3. If you're serving 16/44.1 content then they'll get the original FLAC. If it's 24/96 then Squeezebox Server will downsample it to 24/48 and stream it in FLAC.

You don't need a NAS to do this. A NAS solves nothing for the application of a Squeezebox music server. Set up an inexpensive, headless PC with a single music library drive and make sure you keep a backup of the library. You don't need RAID, and you don't need the expense of a NAS.


Hi there

Agreed

I went to my Local Tip and got an old Pentium IV computer FOR NOTHING

I installed a SUSE Linux system on it and attached a SATA disk controller card (cost around 16 GBP) on it.

Connected 2 SATA X 1TB drives and squeezebox server on it and it now sits quietly in a cupboard -- I don't even have a console connected to it.

Works a treat -- and even with FLAC encoding you can get a HUGE amount of music on 2TB of disk space. -- Haven't used anything like that yet.


For an AUDIO SERVER any old crappy computer will do -- there are plenty of places to get one for NOTHING from.

Cheers
jimbo

DigitalMitch
2010-01-06, 06:23
I plan to get a Touch for my house, as replacement for an SB3 (to be mothballed as spare) and only use as player/controller. If it desn't 'add' to my experience as a player (my concern is screen is too small compared to SB3) then it will get donated to girlfriend. The TinySC may act as a back-up server (though p.c. already does that to main server) or for guests iPods. I may also take Touch and Harddrive away on longer trips.

I'll try Tiny SC and if successful then will get Touch for girlfriend, who doesn't have/want a server (no space for even a free old p.c.).

If neither TinySC nor player/controller works I'll be both very surprised and disappointed.

Mitch

signor_rossi
2010-01-06, 08:06
Hi there

Agreed

I went to my Local Tip and got an old Pentium IV computer FOR NOTHING

I installed a SUSE Linux system on it and attached a SATA disk controller card (cost around 16 GBP) on it.

Connected 2 SATA X 1TB drives and squeezebox server on it and it now sits quietly in a cupboard -- I don't even have a console connected to it.

Works a treat -- and even with FLAC encoding you can get a HUGE amount of music on 2TB of disk space. -- Haven't used anything like that yet.


For an AUDIO SERVER any old crappy computer will do -- there are plenty of places to get one for NOTHING from.

Cheers
jimbo

Of course the PentiumIV is fine too, but a little more recent old computer with an Athlon64 for example that can do speedstep draws only half the power. My old Pentium IV 2.4GHz with dedicated GPU draws over 100W idle, the little younger Athlon64 2.4GHz with integrated GPU my brother left me draws almost half the power. I use this machine as my SBS server now.
Just in the case you can choose between old computers. :-)

JJZolx
2010-01-06, 08:56
Of course the PentiumIV is fine too, but a little more recent old computer with an Athlon64 for example that can do speedstep draws only half the power. My old Pentium IV 2.4GHz with dedicated GPU draws over 100W idle, the little younger Athlon64 2.4GHz with integrated GPU my brother left me draws almost half the power. I use this machine as my SBS server now.
Just in the case you can choose between old computers. :-)

Yeah, if energy use is a concern and you have choice, the Pentium 4 should be avoided. It runs hot, too, so cooling generally requires faster and louder CPU and case fans.

iPhone
2010-01-06, 10:36
I plan to get around the transcoding problems by having two Touches. One, in my 2 channel listening room, will be connected to a USB drive that has nothing but FLAC, and it will not be used to stream to any other players. The other will be in the HT room, with it's own USB drive containing MP3 files. It will have a hard line to the wireless router, and will stream MP3 to the Radio and Boom wirelessly.

This works for me, where I only have one room where I care about the possibility of sound degredation due to MP3 encoding, and I also don't care to synchronize that room with the rest. Two USB drives is still cheaper than a good NAS, near as I can tell.

At least, I think this will work - am I correct?

For the price of two Touch units and two USB drives, would it not make more sense just to buy a Vortexbox Appliance and one Touch? That way there is only one library to maintain, even the 24/96 can be sent to the Boom and SB Radio or an SB3 using SoX on the Vortexbox to send the proper transcoded files to which box needs them, and if you do want to Sync all the players for some reason it is no longer an issue (although while Sync'd the Touch would get the same 24/48 files the other players get). This solution also gives ever player access to all the available plugins.

Lastly in my opinion, why buy the second Touch just to stream MP3s with it. Buy a used Duet, SB3, or Receiver for the MP3 streaming.

Maybe its just me, but that is how I would go at this. The Vortexbox connected to the Router/WAP will serve all the Squeezeboxes in the network, do any needed transcoding from one FLAC only library that might contain 24/96 on the fly, and still allow all the plugins to be used.

For less then $200, I just built a 40W dedicated SBS Server for my neighbor with an Atom MB and 1.5 TB data drive.

georgeh
2010-01-06, 12:49
For the price of two Touch units and two USB drives, would it not make more sense just to buy a Vortexbox Appliance and one Touch? That way there is only one library to maintain, even the 24/96 can be sent to the Boom and SB Radio or an SB3 using SoX on the Vortexbox to send the proper transcoded files to which box needs them, and if you do want to Sync all the players for some reason it is no longer an issue (although while Sync'd the Touch would get the same 24/48 files the other players get). This solution also gives ever player access to all the available plugins.

Lastly in my opinion, why buy the second Touch just to stream MP3s with it. Buy a used Duet, SB3, or Receiver for the MP3 streaming.

Maybe its just me, but that is how I would go at this. The Vortexbox connected to the Router/WAP will serve all the Squeezeboxes in the network, do any needed transcoding from one FLAC only library that might contain 24/96 on the fly, and still allow all the plugins to be used.

For less then $200, I just built a 40W dedicated SBS Server for my neighbor with an Atom MB and 1.5 TB data drive.

Just to be clear, I am considering two Touches becuause I have two rooms that need stereo streaming - downstairs, in the HT/Living room (where the Router is) and upstairs, in the dedicated 2 channel room (wireless only).

I want the Touch in the HiFi room because of it's 24/96 capabilities & excellent digital section - in fact, if I could afford a TP I'd do that. This room has poor WiFi reception(a repeater would help, I'm sure) so I worry about dropouts when streaming 24/96. In the end, USB drives are so cheap that I can't imagine risking dropouts just to save $120. In fact, when 128 GB flash drives become available, I just may go that way to keep it totally silent. SQ & listening experience is king here, and I don't mind using dbPoweramp to make MP3 copies of my FLAC library for the HT server once in a while. I don't think I'll need plugins in the HiFi room either.

In the HT room I want the best possible user experience, since my wife will be using that unit. I've even thought about going with Sonos there, just to make the UX as good as possible (please no flames; this gets debated to death elsehwere) but the Radio pushed me over to a 100% Logitech solution. So, the HT server needs to stream to the Radio & future Boom. MP3 is fine, since I tend to make very high quality MP3s, although if FLAC streams reliably enough I just may leave it as FLAC. Don't care about streaming 24/96, but if it works, cool.

I'm sure that you all are correct about building a cheap second PC, but I have absolutely no desire to do that. I don't have space for it, and don't like the idea of building and maintaining one, or leaving it running. Kudos to those of you who do that - time was, I probably would have been into that myself. But I've got other hobbies, and time slicing is critical to me. ;)

And, I know that I need the main sever hardwired to the router in the HT room for best possible streaming. So, that leaves a Vortex or a NAS, both of which I can conceal in the HT cabinet. Or, a USB drive attached to the HT Touch, which I will buy anyway. Looking at this math, again I come to the conclusion that a $120 USB drive will be the easiest & cheapest solution, but then I give up plugins. So I'll need to spend some time experiemting, to decide how badly I want plugins.

I realize all you folks are coming at this from the customizability aspect, and that's what drew you to SB in the first place, and I respect that. But I do think the Touch is going to draw a new kind of customer - one that might have gone with Sonos instead. Some of us will have no desire to keep a server running and mess with plugins. I'm sure that's what Logitech had in mind with the Touch - drawing in a new kind of customer whilst remaining compatible with the full-on server system as well. I'm just glad they chose to up the audio performance of the unit at the same time.

georgeh
2010-01-06, 13:21
Also, the idea of a used Duet + a Vortex is appealing in the HT. I may go that way as well - it's certainly worth considering!

induna
2010-01-06, 18:08
+1 on the Vortexbox. I also built one for about $200 with a dual core atom processor. It serves all my music, uses very little power, and with the server power control plugin, suspends at night and wakes in the morning just before my alarm fires. This really is an incredibly easy solution for anyone who wants a small, quiet, low power consumption music server that requires very little setup.

georgeh
2010-01-06, 18:10
IS there a hard line between the Radio and the Vortexbox? Or, does the wake signal from the Radio get to the VB via wireless?

induna
2010-01-06, 20:51
IS there a hard line between the Radio and the Vortexbox? Or, does the wake signal from the Radio get to the VB via wireless?

The vortexbox is connected to my wireless router via Ethernet. The squeezebox Radio connects to the router (and the vortexbox) wirelessly. When the server power control plugin has suspended the vortexbox, the squeezebox radio sends a WOL signal to the vortexbox when I turn it on. The server is online about 10 seconds later. When server power control suspends the vortexbox overnight (when all players have been idle for 10 minutes after 11PM), it automatically schedules a wakeup call for the server 5 minutes before my alarm is scheduled to fire. It is working very well and is highly configurable.

gruntwolla
2010-01-08, 05:05
Just out of interest really...

Pretty new to this. Bought a Boom a couple of weeks ago, and absolutely love it ( even the wife loves it ) and ever since have been reading these forums with a view to adding to the squeezebox family. Was going to buy the Duet for the living room , but am trying to hold on until the Touch is (hopefully) released next month.
As I haven't yet ripped many of my cds ( I have about 400), my plan is to do so very soon,copy them over onto a Western Digital hard drive, and connect that via USB to the Touch.
If I've read it correctly, I should then be able to access my local music on the Boom without the PC being on.