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Polar
2009-12-21, 09:53
Presently I am the owner of a squeezebox duet. In order to listen to my own music collection I need either a computer or a disk station running. I have chosen for a disk station (Synology 107+ with SSODS).

Somehow I have the feeling that things can be simplified.

I understand that the Squeezebox Touch has a USB connection.
My (MP3) music collection is about 3 GB. I own a 9 GB USB stick. It is possible to install Linux "disk station" software, the Squeezebox Touch software and my music collection all on a USB stick and run it from there?
In that way I do not need a computer running or a disk station in order to listen to my music collection. That would be the perfect solution.
The next question would be if somehting like this would be possible for the Duet receiver, although it has no USB connection.

Maybe I see things too simple but I am interested if anybody has any ideas.

Themis
2009-12-21, 10:13
I understand that the Squeezebox Touch has a USB connection.
My (MP3) music collection is about 3 GB. I own a 9 GB USB stick. It is possible to install Linux "disk station" software, the Squeezebox Touch software and my music collection all on a USB stick and run it from there?
In that way I do not need a computer running or a disk station in order to listen to my music collection. That would be the perfect solution.
You don't need to install any software at all on the USB stick. Your MP3 collection and that's all what is needed to be used by a Touch. ;)


The next question would be if somehting like this would be possible for the Duet receiver, although it has no USB connection.

No, because you need a CPU to run the software. Only NAS have CPUs (and PCs, of course). ;)

Skinny
2009-12-21, 10:20
Presently I am the owner of a squeezebox duet. In order to listen to my own music collection I need either a computer or a disk station running. I have chosen for a disk station (Synology 107+ with SSODS).

Somehow I have the feeling that things can be simplified.

I understand that the Squeezebox Touch has a USB connection.
My (MP3) music collection is about 3 GB. I own a 9 GB USB stick. It is possible to install Linux "disk station" software, the Squeezebox Touch software and my music collection all on a USB stick and run it from there?
In that way I do not need a computer running or a disk station in order to listen to my music collection. That would be the perfect solution.
The next question would be if somehting like this would be possible for the Duet receiver, although it has no USB connection.

Maybe I see things too simple but I am interested if anybody has any ideas.

The Touch has SqueezeBox Server, which is needed for any SqueezeBox to play your own music files. It also works as a NAS (network attached storage) device, which I guess is what you mean by "disk station"?

So, yes, with the Touch you wouldn't need a separate computer (PC, Mac, NAS.. ) to run the SB Server on. And your USB stick should be perfectly fine. I don't think you even need to do a lot of installing software for any of this to work.

The Touch is of course also a player that can be connected to any audio system, and the touch screen can be used to control other players as well, such as your SBR.

This is all of course what I've read here on the forum. I don't have one myself, yet.

Regarding the SB Receiver, it won't do anything else than receive a stream from the server and play it.

-Skinny

Polar
2009-12-21, 10:22
Looks like the Squeezebox Touch is something for me (Good thing it is almost Christmas).
Besides my music collection I only listen to internet radio stations. I don't need all the other services.
Pitty this doesn't work for the Duet receiver. Thanks Themis.

pfarrell
2009-12-21, 10:34
Polar wrote:
> Besides my music collection I only listen to internet radio stations. I
> don't need all the other services.
> Pitty this doesn't work for the Duet receiver.

Depends on what you mean by "this" as the Touch will stream to a
Receiver just fine.

If you mean that the Receiver is too dumb to run the server software
needed to do streaming, that is correct. And the Receiver doesn't have
the USB connector.


--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

zen2000
2009-12-21, 13:04
Does the USB input support FLAC files or is it compressed formats only.

andyg
2009-12-21, 13:11
On Dec 21, 2009, at 3:04 PM, zen2000 wrote:

>
> Does the USB input support FLAC files or is it compressed formats only.

You can have any natively supported format on the drive, including FLAC, WAV, etc.

Polar
2009-12-22, 11:48
Besides listening to my favorite internet radiostations (presently stored under favorites)I play - as said - only my own music collection.

Does the Touch also provide a menu (like the Duet) where you can:
1)select your stored favorites
2)select random play of the own music collection (stored on a connected USB stick) and does it also display the corresponding artwork on the screen?

WITHOUT having to install software on a computer or disk station (or better: without the need of a computer or disk station)?

snarlydwarf
2009-12-22, 12:01
Besides listening to my favorite internet radiostations (presently stored under favorites)I play - as said - only my own music collection.

Does the Touch also provide a menu (like the Duet) where you can:
1)select your stored favorites
2)select random play of the own music collection (stored on a connected USB stick) and does it also display the corresponding artwork on the screen?

WITHOUT having to install software on a computer or disk station (or better: without the need of a computer or disk station)?

Yes.

You can plug a USB hard drive into the Touch.

Doing so will start up "Tiny SBS". (It even did so when I plugged in my cell phone to charge the other day...)

That 'Tiny SBS' is mostly the same as 'real' SBS, major points missing: web UI and transcoding.

It will gladly act as a server for other Squeezebox type devices (ie, SB2/3/Class/Receiver/Controller/Transporter/Boom/Radio and other Touches...)

So, yes, you can turn off your PC and still have access to any music that is plugged into the Touch. You'd still need a computer at some point to rip or download new files (which you can drag to the Touch), or to make backups (you don't want to redo everything when your HD dies) but day to day operation doesn't need a PC.

Again, yes, a Touch can act as a server for a Duet.

pfarrell
2009-12-22, 12:04
Polar wrote:
> WITHOUT having to install software on a computer or disk station (or
> better: without the need of a computer or disk station)?

Yes, that is a major point of it.

Its complete as is. Put your music on a thumb drive, or USB external
disk and be happy

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

Polar
2009-12-22, 12:13
It looks like the perfect device for what I want (need).
Skipping plug-ins and all the other fancy stuff of the Duet, one would think that the basics (as mentioned before) could be run from the Duet without computer or server as well. The receiver lacks a USB connection though.

snarlydwarf
2009-12-22, 12:14
It looks like the perfect device for what I want (need).
Skipping plug-ins and all the other fancy stuff of the Duet, one would think that the basics (as mentioned before) could be run from the Duet without computer or server as well. The receiver lacks a USB connection though.

It can't run from the duet: not just the lack of USB... the SBR simply does not have the CPU power or memory to support such a thing.

The Touch has a ton more memory and a much faster CPU.

Polar
2009-12-22, 12:22
I will have a look at the Touch soon.
Thanks for your replies!

Polar
2009-12-23, 05:51
I have another question (I am slowly getting there )
From the responses and other threads in this forum I understand that the Touch can act as a server for the Duet.
So am I right when I conclude that I can replace my Duet receiver by the Touch (with CPU onboard) and can use the Duet controller as the remote for the Touch (still without the need of computer or server)?

garym
2009-12-23, 06:05
I have another question (I am slowly getting there )
From the responses and other threads in this forum I understand that the Touch can act as a server for the Duet.
So am I right when I conclude that I can replace my Duet receiver by the Touch (with CPU onboard) and can use the Duet controller as the remote for the Touch (still without the need of computer or server)?

correct.

snarlydwarf
2009-12-23, 09:33
I have another question (I am slowly getting there )
From the responses and other threads in this forum I understand that the Touch can act as a server for the Duet.
So am I right when I conclude that I can replace my Duet receiver by the Touch (with CPU onboard) and can use the Duet controller as the remote for the Touch (still without the need of computer or server)?

Or better, don't replace the SBReciever... move it to some other room.

SB's are happier when you have many.

The Touch can play from an attached drive -and- serve music to the SBR, so move the SBR to the bedroom or office or...

Nikhil
2009-12-26, 22:08
I'm about to format a new portable 2.5" Seagate 880GB USB HDD (strange size isn't it! Got it at Best Buy for $129 over Thanksgiving) as a backup for my music collection, and I'd like to make it future proof and SqueezeBox Touch compatible. So are my only choices FAT32 and EXT3 or can I use EXT4 as well? Also how does the Touch handle multiple partitions on the same drive? If the bulk of the drive is EXT3/4 can I have a small amount of FAT32/NTFS/HFS+ on the drive also (This is mainly for some Win and Mac drivers and software - the SqueezeBox Touch doesn't need to be able to access that area; just needs to keep from messing it up).

JJZolx
2009-12-26, 23:34
I'm about to format a new portable 2.5" Seagate 880GB USB HDD (strange size isn't it! Got it at Best Buy for $129 over Thanksgiving) as a backup for my music collection, and I'd like to make it future proof and SqueezeBox Touch compatible. So are my only choices FAT32 and EXT3 or can I use EXT4 as well? Also how does the Touch handle multiple partitions on the same drive? If the bulk of the drive is EXT3/4 can I have a small amount of FAT32/NTFS/HFS+ on the drive also (This is mainly for some Win and Mac drivers and software - the SqueezeBox Touch doesn't need to be able to access that area; just needs to keep from messing it up).

My understanding is that only the 'first' partition will be indexed and used for the music library by the Touch. I don't know the answer to the EXT4 question, nor how would you would format the drive to control which partition the Touch will use.

There's also the question of whether or not the Touch will be able to sufficiently power the particular drive that you have. A number of beta testers, myself included, have found external 2.5" drives that weren't usable with the Touch. It will be interesting to see how that plays out when the Touch is released.

Nikhil
2009-12-27, 04:06
My understanding is that only the 'first' partition will be indexed and used for the music library by the Touch. I don't know the answer to the EXT4 question, nor how would you would format the drive to control which partition the Touch will use.

There's also the question of whether or not the Touch will be able to sufficiently power the particular drive that you have. A number of beta testers, myself included, have found external 2.5" drives that weren't usable with the Touch. It will be interesting to see how that plays out when the Touch is released.

Thanks for the information. Is there some sort of secret beta testers forum where my question could be posted and I could get a more complete answer?

aubuti
2009-12-27, 07:52
Thanks for the information. Is there some sort of secret beta testers forum where my question could be posted and I could get a more complete answer?
No need, really. This SB Touch forum was set up after the device was announced in Sept, and the beta testers read and post here, too (as evidenced by Jim's response to your question). See for example this thread from a couple months ago: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70014. Since then the status of ext4 may or may not have changed. As you probably know, the delay with the SBT release is because of the software, and this is one of the areas that is still being finalized (along with TinySBS more generally).

kgturner
2009-12-31, 12:07
It might be too early to ask since the Touch isn't even out yet, but since the Touch has a version of SBS on it already, would it be possible to hook up a Drobo to a DroboShare, connect that to a router which is in turn connected to the Touch and run this setup without the computer being on? Just wondering as this type of setup would work nicely for me.

Kevin T

snarlydwarf
2009-12-31, 13:17
It might be too early to ask since the Touch isn't even out yet, but since the Touch has a version of SBS on it already, would it be possible to hook up a Drobo to a DroboShare, connect that to a router which is in turn connected to the Touch and run this setup without the computer being on? Just wondering as this type of setup would work nicely for me.


Possibly, but not supported and performance would most likely be suckerific. (NFS or SMB shares are ... slow. Writing to a database across NFS or SMB would be painfully slow).

It would work better if you used the USB connection on the Drobo and plugged it into the Touch.

(remember that even connected, you're only running 100Mbps between the router and the Touch, and even that isn't really true with how Ethernet works, so you'd only get at best 60-80% utilization, and SMB in particular is kinda sucky for heavy file accesss... NFS is a bit better, but still they are nowhere near the speed of even USB2 which is 480Mbps, or almost 5 times the rated speed of 100Mbps ethernet... it's not hard at all to get 300+Mbps transfer via a USB drive... impossible to get that on ethernet unless you move to gigabit.)

huytere
2010-01-01, 04:04
Will the Touch/SBS support 3rd party plugins sucn as Xm Radio?

Mnyb
2010-01-01, 04:48
Will the Touch/SBS support 3rd party plugins sucn as Xm Radio?

No, limitations afiak is no plugin no web-UI , no transcoding of any kind .

JohnSwenson
2010-01-01, 20:10
Will the Touch/SBS support 3rd party plugins sucn as Xm Radio?

With the Touch there are two ways to run 3rd party software: as a plugin on the server (such as happens with an SB3) and as an applet which runs on the Touch. Many of the 3rd party plugins will have to be written as applets which run directly on the Touch. My guess is that XM will be an applet on the Touch and as such will not be limited by the "no plugins" policy of the onboard server.

John S.

B1tbull
2010-01-02, 16:07
While I was not considering the SB Touch initially, the tiny SBS feature may justify yet another extension of the SB family.
Besides Web UI and transcoding, are there other limitations for the tiny SBS related to the many plugin's available for the PC based SBS ?

pfarrell
2010-01-02, 16:10
B1tbull wrote:
> are there other limitations for the
> tiny SBS related to the many plugin's available for the PC based SBS ?

It is reasonable to expect limitations, the Touch is pretty small, and
has limited resources. I would not expect all the plug-ins.

Some of the limitations may be lifted over time.

But first, they have to finish it and ship the units.


--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

Labarum
2010-01-07, 04:31
Have I understood this correctly? If I have a Squeezebox Touch into which I have plugged a USB drive that drive becomes a network drive that can be seen and used by any computer on the network.

So I could use the USB drive attached to Touch for storing Text Docs, Pictures, Videos, whatever I like?