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tamanaco
2009-12-07, 09:37
I can't help, but think that Steve Jobs' next move after the acquisition of lala.com is to go after services like Pandora, Last.FM, Slacker and Spotify. It "probably" also means that the streaming services are going to be integrated into iTunes. I think this can become another great move by the master because if it works... iTunes will gain a streaming and a music media "social" environment. I can already picture an iStreamBox that would give the SQBX a run for the money. iTunes with an incorporated stream music server component, would instantly gain the existing iTunes user base...to me it appears as natural evolution of iTunes for the iFolks. The Apple Apps Store could also be easily integrated in the mix in order to distribute Apps similar to plugins for the iStreamBox and/or specialized iPod Docking stations. This apps, like plugins, would enhance the music listening experience for free or for a fee and expand the Apple Apps Universe. Next move down the line for Stevo... iTtunes video streaming

What do you think?... Am I dreaming here?

autopilot
2009-12-07, 09:44
iTunes already does streaming. Are you talking about a subscription service like Napster/Rhapsody?

pippin
2009-12-07, 09:46
That's more or less what lala does, isn't it?

pfarrell
2009-12-07, 09:47
tamanaco wrote:
> What do you think?... Am I dreaming here?

More like a nightmare for me.

I don't want my music packaged and controlled by the borg.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

tamanaco
2009-12-07, 09:54
iTunes already does streaming. Are you talking about a subscription service like Napster/Rhapsody?

It already does streaming, but as far as I know, it does not do high bitrates... Adding a high bitrate local server, remote streamed services and adding a new product like an iStreamBox. An iStreamBox with good quality audio components to play music via your AV system is what I'm talking about. Basically a "future" specialized box for music streaming similar to the AppleTV... Again, I'm just speculating here... I assure you that Apple did not buy lala.com to become just another Napster... It has to be (again I'm specualting) about the enhancement of iTunes, integration of these new services with iTunes, adding new devices that use iTunes and opening new markets.

iTunes in conjunction with the Apple store is Apple's game... All I'm asking here... is if you think this is the move that Stevo is going to make?

iPhone
2009-12-07, 10:00
tamanaco wrote:
> What do you think?... Am I dreaming here?

More like a nightmare for me.

I don't want my music packaged and controlled by the borg.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

+1 have to agree. iTunes messes to much with ones music in the first place, why would I want them screwing with my Web based music also? All the acquisition does is add Web Based music for a fee for those that don't want to buy from the iTunes Store, don't have an iPhone, iTouch, or iPod, or just can't get enough music from iTunes and are willing to pay.

Bill Gates might be the devil, but Steve Jobs definitely wants control over ones music as well as dumbing it down so the mindless can even use it and not know they are being controlled. There is only one reason I can't turn any song I paid for on CD into a ring tone for my iPhone, MONEY IE Apple Greed! One is forced to buy the song from the iTunes Store and then pay again to turn it into a ring tone.

andynormancx
2009-12-07, 10:03
There is only one reason I can't turn any song I paid for on CD into a ring tone for my iPhone, MONEY IE Apple Greed! One is forced to buy the song from the iTunes Store and then pay again to turn it into a ring tone.
It is perfectly possible to create a ring tone from music on a CD.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2160460_custom-iphone-ringtones-free.html

tamanaco
2009-12-07, 10:13
Pat, iPhone, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not an iAnything fan, but I admire S. Jobs business moves. He has a captive audience with the iPhone and iPods that are centered around iTunes. What I see him doing is aggregating services for his already captive audience to keep them happy and to also go after other potential customers for devices like the Sonos and SQBX. If you're already an iPhone user... he wants to keep you... and if you're not.. he was to offer other avenues to get you... That's all I'm "specualting" about here. Will I buy an iStreamBox?... probably no... If Apple successfully integrates what I mentioned above will they be a force to be reckon with... probably yes.

pfarrell
2009-12-07, 10:23
tamanaco wrote:
> Pat, iPhone, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not an iAnything fan, but
> I admire S. Jobs business moves.

This is really a separate topic.

Steve Jobs is a brilliant businessman. Nearly as good as the world's
smartest business man, Steve Case, who sold a puffed up marketing ponzi
scheme to Time Warner for lots of real, hard cash.

But my comment was just that I don't want to be assimilated.

I expect that the next move will be video. Jobs already owns a huge part
of Disney. A decade ago, the common wisdom was that audio was too big to
stream over the Internet. Now, its not even a blip, and streaming video
is commonplace.



--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

exile
2009-12-07, 10:36
There is only one reason I can't turn any song I paid for on CD into a ring tone for my iPhone, MONEY IE Apple Greed! One is forced to buy the song from the iTunes Store and then pay again to turn it into a ring tone.

I understand the frustration that people have in regards to steve but let's be fair. there is a simple workaround for virtually every restriction placed on the itunes experience. The process of making your own ringtone free of charge is ridiculously easy, as was the process of freeing one's music from the drm nightmare way back when.

i don't buy from the itunes store but i think it's important to remember that steve jobs has almost single handedly led the charge on the digital music revolution and for that I'm eternally grateful.

iPhone
2009-12-07, 11:11
I understand the frustration that people have in regards to steve but let's be fair. there is a simple workaround for virtually every restriction placed on the itunes experience. The process of making your own ringtone free of charge is ridiculously easy, as was the process of freeing one's music from the drm nightmare way back when.

i don't buy from the itunes store but i think it's important to remember that steve jobs has almost single handedly led the charge on the digital music revolution and for that I'm eternally grateful.

What exactly did Steve J do "single handedly" to led the charge on the digital music revolution? I will tell you, basically nothing! Other people did all the hard work, then he thought and found a way to make money off their hard work without paying them for it while finding a way to rip the artist off once again while making the record companies and the RIAA think he was their Messiah.

My point about ring tones is that the sheep that iTunes collects and Steve J and Company are looking for need a product as simple as iTunes in the first place so they are always going to pay twice while those Techy enough not to will not be forced to. Apple should be up front and honest about it and they might even make more money that way. "Hey, you already own this tune, for 25 cents use this Apple App to make it one of your endless available ring tones. And by the way, if you don't own the tune you want, check out the iTunes Store and just buy the song and not the whole album. And if you bought the song from the iTunes Store, convert it free to a ring tone." That is what I am saying.

exile
2009-12-07, 11:24
I just don't see the point in getting upset at steve. he's quite simply a brilliant businessman as well as a visionary for the technological future.

as for your other point, I stand by the notion that people should take personal responsibility for their actions. so with that said, if someone is too lazy to make use of this thing called google to find a better and cheaper way of collecting and customizing their music collection then they are subject to paying the market value for ease of use.

I guess an obvious analogy would be starbucks. If you want to give away $2 or more every day to get your coffee fix instead of buying a pound of coffee for $6 that will last a couple of weeks and provide 50 cups o' joe then by all means pony up to the starbucks bar. To me, it's all about free will.

Goodsounds
2009-12-07, 11:25
Jon Healey of the LA Times posted some interesting thoughts about Apple and lala. I'm sure they have something in mind, perhaps what Tamanaco says, or maybe they're just taking out a competitor.

While I don't prefer or own Apple products, I respect their repeated accomplishments. No consumer products company does a better job of using innovative design and sophisticated technology to achieve simplicity.

Apple does things its own way, take it or leave it. Most people take it, and pay little attention to the things you guys are discussing.

pablolie
2009-12-07, 18:55
I will be candid: I hate iTunes. And that has a history.

From 1988 to 2000 I was a total Apple nut and a stronghold for Macs in an enterprise environment that increasingly went Windows. And don't get me wrong: I think Windows is bloated and flawed and I am not a gullible fan that will ever claim technology superiority, but I think one thing that MSFT has done is that they have evolved beyond the illusion (and legal consequences thereof) that they can try to be controlling and dictate the entire product application stack. Which is the huge Apple illusion, and will prove to be their downfall if they grab significant market share again.

Apple's bullish determination to own everything not only stinks of a doomed attempt at a monopoly, but also shortchanges users with solutions that are less flexible and agile than they ought to be. iTunes tries to be too many things to too many devices and too many people and, as far as I am concerned, has already miserably failed. It is a piece of crap. I used it a while ago, I have long since stepped away from it. It does many things very easily for a large audience, but does nothing particularly well for a more discerning audience. Sounds more and more like the MSFT story of the late 90s around the browser wars and what not.

In any case, and to cut a long story short - heck no. I do not look for lazy shortcuts. I look for flexibility and openness, and Apple has no longer anything to offer there. They try to hold their user base more captive than Microsoft ever attempted to. And that will hurt them. Not right away, but in the mid term. Their differentiation is image. Their substance is wearing thin.

These days, I do MSFT for corporate compliance. I don't love it, but it does the job. But the true exciting movement is open source. It is things like Ubuntu and Debian, and the fact that *everything* will be running off a browser and off the "cloud" in a few years, and that will utterly and totally annihilate attempts to hold users captive. And I think Aple users would be appalled if they knew how Apple ripped off Unix and makes it look like everybody has been stealing off them. The whole thing about the Apple innovation machine is a myth. Usability, yes. Innovation, no. What is the next major Apple innovation - table top PCs??? Oh heavens. Their tight control over the entire stack and their dismissal of a developer ecosystem (other than for iPhones gadgets) may make them deliver something that seems great and superior at first, but does not evolve and move quickly enough to truly take care of more discerning individual users' needs. They got the jumpstart on the mass market for popular multimedia devices that are easy to use... good for them. But they are blowing it by doing what greedy corporations have always tried to do for too long: try to bully their user base into staying in a walled garden for too long, and failing to see all the very green and very appealing gardens around...

I should say I am not *against* Apple. I just wish their value proposition resembled more the stuff that turned me on to them many years ago - true superiority and innovation. I'd be back if they did that.

tamanaco
2009-12-11, 10:02
Here is another speculative view of why Apple acquired lala.com

http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/internet/was-lala-googles-foray-into-the-music-business