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jmpage2
2009-11-01, 10:05
I'm a long time fan of Slim Devices, having purchased my original SliMP3 player back in late 2001. I also have the distinction of still having the original email from Sean Adams indicating I was the very first pre-order in for the original Squeezebox (which ultimately turned out to have some weird hardware network bug that resulted in the screen corrupting but was quickly replaced by Sean and company).

I have been interested in some kind of improved bedside/tabletop radio for a number of years and was interested in the Squeezebox Radio almost from the start. I was concerned about the initial bugs and quality issues being mentioned in these forums, but went to the local Best Buy to check the unit out anyhow.

A note to Logitech Marketing that handles the Squeeze players. The product placement in Best Buy stores and marketing effort is terrible. The Squeezebox units were not located with any of the other new "hip" network/streaming products but were instead located with the audio video receivers and speakers. Big disappointment as it took me a full 20 minutes to locate the units (I actually had to ask for help, something I almost never do). It would probably be more helpful if they were located with the network gear, or at least in the ipod/portable area. I saw a gaggle of people oohing and aaahing over the Sonus Players which have large displays and are set up for demo. These same potential customers probably don't even know that Squeezebox exists.

Anyways. I convinced the Best Buy folks to open a unit up (they didn't even have one displayed) because I really wanted to see what the physical hardware quality was like. I had concerns that the unit would suffer from sub-standard construction, similar to the "cheapening" of buttons, etc, that I have seen on other mid-price consumer electronics over the past few years. I was very pleasantly surprised to find that the SB radio seemed to be built like a tank, looked gorgeous and the buttons seemed to have positive tactile feel. I purchased one on the spot!

When I got home and unboxed the player to get ready for set up, I was surprised that there wasn't a more "in your face" setup document about needing to set up a My Squeeze account. I think most of the turn off of the unit has been the perceived difficulty of setup, which might be avoided with a large color poster that shows the set up in just a few easy steps. It should also have a big notice to contact helpful support folks if having issues getting it set up so that it does not wind up being returned to the store. This is a premium price product and there should be decent telephone support for setup issues, at least for the first 30 days after purchase.

My own setup went relatively smoothly. I used push to authenticate to get it on my wi-fi network in a matter of seconds, and since I already have a My Squeeze account set up for my Squeezebox Network software running on my HP Mediasmart, I was off to the races fairly quickly.

The very first thing I wanted to do was stream some of my music to the unit and see what audio quality was like. In a word, it sounds very good! I would not call it audiophile quality but it certainly can hold its own with other "tabletop radio" units that put out decent quality sound for a medium sized room.

I was a bit put off by the favorites/preset process as it took me doing some research and digging to discover how to add playlists as favorites and then add those favorites as select buttons. This area needs some improvement. I'd go as far as to say there should be a section in the web setup for the Squeezebox Radio that addresses this issue.

I did find that most of the player based activities (with the very notable omission of the above favorites/settings) were fairly intuitive. I would like the ability to mute the annoying button press sounds, so far I haven't found the place to do that. It gets old after a while to hear beeps and boops every time you are navigating the menu. I did observe that once when I left the room for a couple of hours with the menu showing that it was still sitting at that menu screen when I returned. There is a "stopped" screen saver you can define but I would really like the option for the player to shut itself off after 15 minutes if nothing is playing and there is no activity from the user.

I did play with the unit in a dark room because I was concerned about how well the auto dimming would work. I am a very light sleeper and any extraneous lights keep me awake at night (LEDs especially). I was pleasantly surprised that the dimming works fantastic. It would be nice to set a minimum and maximum range for it. It actually gets SO dim that in a pitch black room you will struggle to read it.

After getting all situated with presets, basic setup (Pandora, etc), I wanted to play with the Alarm functionality. The Alarm setup was very straight forward, but I was a bit disappointed in the actual execution. I had programmed my unit to wake me up to one of my own playlists at 9:00AM today and was actually already awake when the alarm turned it on. When the Alarm activated (which was actually about a full 10-15 seconds after 9:00AM) I was greeted with some noises and a full second of high volume music before it then started to ramp up the volume slowly as it had been programmed to do.

This appears to be buggy behavior and hopefully can be improved upon in future versions. Another issue that I consider rather major is that when the alarm is sounding it shows the alarm time prominently displayed. This should be the ACTUAL current time with the alarm time below, especially for heavy sleepers who keep banging on the snooze button.

Another thing for the alarm that would be nice is the ability to label alarms so that they read "his" and "hers", etc. It is a bit confusing for my wife if she needs to program "alarm 1" versus "alarm 2".

On the whole the radio works very well. I was very pleased with the Pandora functionality and hope that with the remote it will be possible to "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" a Pandora selection directly. I did notice that even though I have a Pandora One account that allows for streaming of 192kbps that the Squeezebox Radio only streamed at 128kbps. Perhaps this is a Pandora limitation.

One thing that did bug me throughout my use of the radio though was the "now playing" screen. It really bugged me that the album artwork had the top chopped off by the progress bar and track details (particularly annoying with the numerous album covers that show the artist, it winds up that their head is chopped off like a photograph taken by a small child). Perhaps some alternate configurations can be provided in future firmware versions.

From a very long time Slim Devices customer I can give this unit a hearty thumbs up! I would like to see a lot of the wrinkles get ironed out in the coming months and honestly I think that at the $199 price point it should include the remote and battery pack (many competing $149 devices have this functionality). There is, however, simply no better option I am currently aware of for "freeing your music" in a small table top solution than this Squeezebox Radio.

Job well done Sean, Dean and company!

toby10
2009-11-01, 10:57
To turn off operation "beeps":
Settings > Audio > Sound Effects > None

Initially the Album Art was about 1/3 smaller on the Radio and many wanted larger images. I would love to see a setting option for such art like Large (full screen like, it is now) and Small (about 1/4 to 1/3 smaller, text does not cover album). If it can only be a menu item within Settings that would be acceptable, but it would be better IMO to make it a simple on the fly option while in the Now Playing screen.

I suggested a knob turn in Now Playing would re-size the art on the fly. A Knob turn currently does nothing in Now Playing (unless you push the knob). The idea being each right click increases art size by 1/3, each left click decreases art size by 1/3, max three turns each way, fourth click (either direction) brings you back to the original art size. But they seem to be interested in waiting for a third party plugin for this type of feature (assuming it is even possible at all).

jmpage2
2009-11-01, 11:08
To turn off operation "beeps":
Settings > Audio > Sound Effects > None

Initially the Album Art was about 1/3 smaller on the Radio and many wanted larger images. I would love to see a setting option for such art like Large (full screen like, it is now) and Small (about 1/4 to 1/3 smaller, text does not cover album). If it can only be a menu item within Settings that would be acceptable, but it would be better IMO to make it a simple on the fly option while in the Now Playing screen.

I suggested a knob turn in Now Playing would re-size the art on the fly. A Knob turn currently does nothing in Now Playing (unless you push the knob). The idea being each right click increases art size by 1/3, each left click decreases art size by 1/3, max three turns each way, fourth click (either direction) brings you back to the original art size. But they seem to be interested in waiting for a third party plugin for this type of feature (assuming it is even possible at all).

Thanks for the heads up! I suspected that there was some way to turn off the beeps but just had not found the setting yet.

Even better than having the knob change album artwork size would be to simply have several completely different "now playing" screens and allow the knob to cycle through them. This should make just about everyone happy.

SuperQ
2009-11-01, 12:40
A note to Logitech Marketing that handles the Squeeze players. The product placement in Best Buy stores and marketing effort is terrible. The Squeezebox units were not located with any of the other new "hip" network/streaming products but were instead located with the audio video receivers and speakers. Big disappointment as it took me a full 20 minutes to locate the units (I actually had to ask for help, something I almost never do). It would probably be more helpful if they were located with the network gear, or at least in the ipod/portable area. I saw a gaggle of people oohing and aaahing over the Sonus Players which have large displays and are set up for demo. These same potential customers probably don't even know that Squeezebox exists.

Unfortunately, it seems like Best Buy is completely dropping the Squeezebox lineup. They didn't even have any in stock last time I was at a store a few weeks ago. The sales people also indicated that they weren't going to stock them at all, and wanted to show me these nice sony products.

Bleh!

jmpage2
2009-11-01, 14:58
Unfortunately, it seems like Best Buy is completely dropping the Squeezebox lineup. They didn't even have any in stock last time I was at a store a few weeks ago. The sales people also indicated that they weren't going to stock them at all, and wanted to show me these nice sony products.

Bleh!

When they found the Squeezebox Radio for me it was coming fresh off the truck along with a couple of Squeeze Boom units.

So, I think the sales people you talked to were misinformed, or were simply idiots, either would not surprise.

erland
2009-11-01, 22:46
Another thing for the alarm that would be nice is the ability to label alarms so that they read "his" and "hers", etc. It is a bit confusing for my wife if she needs to program "alarm 1" versus "alarm 2".

Good idea, why don't you register an enhancement request on this at:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com

jmpage2
2009-11-01, 22:59
Hmm... My unit seems to have lost all it's presets today. Is there already a bug report for this?

ModelCitizen
2009-11-01, 23:01
There is already an enhancement logged for this, although it was registered before the development of the radio and only refers to the Boom, but I think the two devices share the same alarm code. There are a lot of bugs/enhancents logged against the alarm and as far as I can see none of them get addressed. The original developer of the alarm code appears to have little time for Logitech matters nowadays.

JJZolx
2009-11-01, 23:20
Job well done Sean, Dean and company!

It's mostly just company now.

bluegaspode
2009-11-02, 00:26
Another thing for the alarm that would be nice is the ability to label alarms so that they read "his" and "hers", etc. It is a bit confusing for my wife if she needs to program "alarm 1" versus "alarm 2".


This is the one https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14716
Target milestone was put to 'Future' which I interpret as 'never', as most other bugs get flagged with 7.4.x or 7.5 or 8.0.



There are a lot of bugs/enhancents logged against the alarm and as far as I can see none of them get addressed.


Unfortunately very true - some I consider very harmful (there are three bugs, where the alarm doesn't fire due to various reasons) :(
This morning the alarm failed for me again :(((((

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14870
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14742
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14888

And here some minor usability bugs that don't get adressed.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14874
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14704

jmpage2
2009-11-02, 07:19
This is very distressing that things are not being fixed. Well I can always return it over alarm and preset problems and send a message about cheaping out on development.

pippin
2009-11-02, 08:13
Sorry, m ost of these bugs are like one week old.
Why do you think they don't get addressed?
Heck, if I have to change something on the App Store I need at least three weeks for quality control alone, if you mail in your ordinary alarm radio you probably don't get an answer before a month or so, how about a _little_ patience?

jmpage2
2009-11-02, 08:41
Sorry, m ost of these bugs are like one week old.
Why do you think they don't get addressed?
Heck, if I have to change something on the App Store I need at least three weeks for quality control alone, if you mail in your ordinary alarm radio you probably don't get an answer before a month or so, how about a _little_ patience?

pippin, I hear you, however, there is only a 30 day return period to return products. What if they can't or won't fix bugs with presets, alarms, etc? I'm not talking about enhancements but just core functionality.

I really like the SB Radio and have given it a very favorable and detailed review on Amazon.com, but I will return it if there is not at least a time line given for the addressing of MAJOR issues that affect core functionality.

Time has taught me that companies routinely release products with faults which they then fail to address, leaving the buyer stuck.

hellesangel
2009-11-02, 08:52
If a product (however cool etc) is sold as a direct replacement for the bedside radio then the alarm simply has to work, and compared to all the other clever things the Radio does a bit of code that says 'if current time == wake up time then play music' sounds rather bovine to fix.

Some patience will be given but Logitech do concentrate on core functionality and stability of the products before racing off to the new wizardry. Remember that while cool features on marketing brochures may make an initial sale a few upset customers ranting on forums like this can undo a lot of hard work.

Keep up the good work, etc.

pippin
2009-11-02, 09:12
pippin, I hear you, however, there is only a 30 day return period to return products. What if they can't or won't fix bugs with presets, alarms, etc? I'm not talking about enhancements but just core functionality.

I really like the SB Radio and have given it a very favorable and detailed review on Amazon.com, but I will return it if there is not at least a time line given for the addressing of MAJOR issues that affect core functionality.

Time has taught me that companies routinely release products with faults which they then fail to address, leaving the buyer stuck.

Well, then when the period is over return it and give it another try after 6 months if it's too bad right now.
I haven't had any issues with alarms so far (except th occasional backup alarm when the the server could not find my playlist) but I have to admit that I never used the Radio for it...

bluegaspode
2009-11-02, 09:13
Sorry, m ost of these bugs are like one week old.
Why do you think they don't get addressed?
Heck, if I have to change something on the App Store I need at least three weeks for quality control alone, if you mail in your ordinary alarm radio you probably don't get an answer before a month or so, how about a _little_ patience?

Two weeks. And sorry - for me a not working alarm is so critical that I'd expect a fix (or at least a sign that someone is working on the problem or at least treats it with the upmost importance) within days.

I failure rate of 20% for alarms (2 days out of 10) really annoys me very much (don't ask my wife).
People can get fired when coming late at work due to a nonworking radio :(

jmpage2
2009-11-02, 09:20
Well, then when the period is over return it and give it another try after 6 months if it's too bad right now.
I haven't had any issues with alarms so far (except th occasional backup alarm when the the server could not find my playlist) but I have to admit that I never used the Radio for it...

Okay, fair enough. I have only done very basic testing with alarms and have not had an alarm fail yet. I am concerned though that my presets seemed to spontaneously disappear when they only thing I did was turn on the Trackstat plugin on the server.

Looking at it now I see that the server log file is over 1.4TB and growing. All of the messages seem to be complaining about Trackstat undefined symbols.

I will remove Trackstat and restart. If the presets spontaneously disappear on their own again I will file a bug report.

P.S., I plugged iPeng on my Amazon review, good job, it's indispensable!

pippin
2009-11-02, 09:42
Looking at it now I see that the server log file is over 1.4TB and growing. All of the messages seem to be complaining about Trackstat undefined symbols.

Did you import old TrackStat ratings?
I recently re-setup my server and moved to 7.5.0 and when I let TrackStat (2.10, I believe) import my old ratings it took down the server for around 12h (it's a slow server), logged a LOT of stuff and caused mysql load that was so heavy that I couldn't even connect a player to the server.

I let it run overnight and now it looks like it calmed down and I'm back to normal operation.

I remember Erland had some issues with some db change in 7.4 that caused slow lookups and one proposed solution was to generate an additional table with hash ids to speed things up and only cause the slow operation once at startup.
I don't know whether Erland implemented that but this was _my_ suspect for the cause, I'll see how it will work in the future...


P.S., I plugged iPeng on my Amazon review, good job, it's indispensable!

Thanks :-) Have fun with it.

jmpage2
2009-11-02, 09:56
Did you import old TrackStat ratings?
I recently re-setup my server and moved to 7.5.0 and when I let TrackStat (2.10, I believe) import my old ratings it took down the server for around 12h (it's a slow server), logged a LOT of stuff and caused mysql load that was so heavy that I couldn't even connect a player to the server.

I let it run overnight and now it looks like it calmed down and I'm back to normal operation.

I remember Erland had some issues with some db change in 7.4 that caused slow lookups and one proposed solution was to generate an additional table with hash ids to speed things up and only cause the slow operation once at startup.
I don't know whether Erland implemented that but this was _my_ suspect for the cause, I'll see how it will work in the future...


Thanks :-) Have fun with it.

I did try to import an XML library file from iTunes that had all of my current track ratings. It had been running for about 24 hours on a very fast HP EX495 that is set up with dual core 2.5ghz cpu.

I just had to uninstall it because it is causing way too much server load and I don't understand what it found in the import that caused it to start trashing everything.

I'm hoping this explains my loss of presets on the radio although it's a bit hard to understand. I will just recreate the presets and see how things work over the next couple of days.

erland
2009-11-02, 11:07
Did you import old TrackStat ratings?
I recently re-setup my server and moved to 7.5.0 and when I let TrackStat (2.10, I believe) import my old ratings it took down the server for around 12h (it's a slow server), logged a LOT of stuff and caused mysql load that was so heavy that I couldn't even connect a player to the server.

Do you have any logs left ?
If there was any errors, I'd like to see them.
If it's just messages about not finding alternative paths it's not a problem, it just takes time.



I remember Erland had some issues with some db change in 7.4 that caused slow lookups and one proposed solution was to generate an additional table with hash ids to speed things up and only cause the slow operation once at startup.
I don't know whether Erland implemented that but this was _my_ suspect for the cause, I'll see how it will work in the future...

It's the Logitech tables that's the problem, I'd prefer to not modify Logitech standard tables as it might make their upgrade scripts very complex if they want to handle a database that has been partly improved by a third party plugin.

erland
2009-11-02, 11:09
I did try to import an XML library file from iTunes that had all of my current track ratings. It had been running for about 24 hours on a very fast HP EX495 that is set up with dual core 2.5ghz cpu.

I just had to uninstall it because it is causing way too much server load and I don't understand what it found in the import that caused it to start trashing everything.

I'm interested to see any logs you have.
The performance issue is if the file paths has changed, it takes few seconds to try to find alternative paths to a single file. In a large library a few seconds per file results in very bad performance.

The latest TrackStat version has a possibility to turn of this feature so it only uses a file if it has the exact same path as in Squeezebox Server. It's a setting in Settings/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup section.

jmpage2
2009-11-02, 11:11
Do you have any logs left ?
If there was any errors, I'd like to see them.
If it's just messages about not finding alternative paths it's not a problem, it just takes time.


It's the Logitech tables that's the problem, I'd prefer to not modify Logitech standard tables as it might make their upgrade scripts very complex if they want to handle a database that has been partly improved by a third party plugin.

unfortunately I already trashed it. Specifically it was saying symbols not found in the directory which was defined for the database backup for Trackstats.

I have a post about my unusual configuration over in the plugins forum which explains things in some more detail.

I just tried to feed Trackstats my unmodified Mac based XML file which probably led to the bad behavior. I would need some additional assistance to come up with a strategy for importing the OS X based XML file into Trackstats which resides on Squeezebox Server 7.4 running on Windows Home Server.

jmpage2
2009-11-02, 11:20
Ah, I lied, I did still have a copy of it squirreled away.

Here's a sample, it looks like the whole log file is filled with the same message;

09-11-02 09:00:41.1289] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1165) Warning: [09:00:41.1281] Use of uninitialized value $line in substitution (s///) at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup/File.pm line 290, <BACKUPFILE> chunk 1030854.

[09-11-02 09:00:41.1307] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1165) Warning: [09:00:41.1297] Use of uninitialized value $line in substitution (s///) at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup/File.pm line 290, <BACKUPFILE> chunk 1030854.

[09-11-02 09:00:41.2418] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1165) Warning: [09:00:41.2413] Use of uninitialized value $line in substitution (s///) at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup/File.pm line 290, <BACKUPFILE> chunk 1030854.

[09-11-02 09:00:41.2425] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1165) Warning: [09:00:41.2422] Use of uninitialized value $line in substitution (s///) at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup/File.pm line 290, <BACKUPFILE> chunk 1030854.

[09-11-02 09:00:41.2432] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1165) Warning: [09:00:41.2428] Use of uninitialized value $line in substitution (s///) at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup/File.pm line 290, <BACKUPFILE> chunk 1030854.

[09-11-02 09:00:41.2438] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1165) Warning: [09:00:41.2435] Use of uninitialized value $line in substitution (s///) at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup/File.pm line 290, <BACKUPFILE> chunk 1030854.

[09-11-02 09:00:41.2445] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1165) Warning: [09:00:41.2441] Use of uninitialized value $line in substitution (s///) at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup/File.pm line 290, <BACKUPFILE> chunk 1030854.

[09-11-02 09:00:41.2451] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1165) Warning: [09:00:41.2448] Use of uninitialized value $line in substitution (s///) at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup/File.pm line 290, <BACKUPFILE> chunk 1030854.

JJZolx
2009-11-02, 11:27
One thing that did bug me throughout my use of the radio though was the "now playing" screen. It really bugged me that the album artwork had the top chopped off by the progress bar and track details (particularly annoying with the numerous album covers that show the artist, it winds up that their head is chopped off like a photograph taken by a small child). Perhaps some alternate configurations can be provided in future firmware versions.

It's increasing obvious that SqueezePlay (Controller, Radio, Touch) needs a much more configurable Now Playing screen.

erland
2009-11-02, 11:43
Ah, I lied, I did still have a copy of it squirreled away.

Here's a sample, it looks like the whole log file is filled with the same message;

09-11-02 09:00:41.1289] Slim::Utils::Misc::msg (1165) Warning: [09:00:41.1281] Use of uninitialized value $line in substitution (s///) at C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins/Plugins/TrackStat/Backup/File.pm line 290, <BACKUPFILE> chunk 1030854.

This is from a restore from a TrackStat backup.

Does your TrackStat backup xml file have any characters like "& # 253 ;" (without the spaces) or similar in it ?
If it does, could you post a section of the file which contains characters like this ?

jmpage2
2009-11-02, 12:07
This is from a restore from a TrackStat backup.

Does your TrackStat backup xml file have any characters like "& # 253 ;" (without the spaces) or similar in it ?
If it does, could you post a section of the file which contains characters like this ?

Don't know if these are helpful. Looks like my log has numerous cases of "& # 38" in the file names as they appear in XML.

<key>Track Type</key><string>File</string>
<key>Location</key><string>file://localhost/Volumes/Music/Various%20Artists/Pulp%20Fiction%20(OST)%20-%201994/02%20-%20Jules%20&#38;%20Vincent%20-%20Jules%20&#38;%20Vincent%20-%20Royale%20With%20Cheese.mp3</string>
<key>File Folder Count</key><integer>-1</integer>
<key>Library Folder Count</key><integer>-1</integer>
</dict>
<key>2726</key>
<dict>
<key>Track ID</key><integer>2726</integer>
<key>Name</key><string>Kool &#38; The Gang - Jungle Boogie</string>
<key>Artist</key><string>Kool &#38; The Gang</string>


<key>Track Type</key><string>File</string>
<key>Location</key><string>file://localhost/Volumes/Music/Various%20Artists/Pulp%20Fiction%20(OST)%20-%201994/03%20-%20Kool%20&#38;%20The%20Gang%20-%20Kool%20&#38;%20The%20Gang%20-%20Jungle%20Boogie.mp3</string>
<key>File Folder Count</key><integer>-1</integer>
<key>Library Folder Count</key><integer>-1</integer>
</dict>
<key>2728</key>
<dict>
<key>Track ID</key><integer>2728</integer>
<key>Name</key><string>The Revels - (Bring Out The Gimp) Comanche</string>

jmpage2
2009-11-02, 12:20
Also I can just send you chunks of the raw XML file if that would be helpful.

erland
2009-11-02, 21:03
Don't know if these are helpful. Looks like my log has numerous cases of "& # 38" in the file names as they appear in XML.

Is this the XML file you have specified in the parameter:
Settings -> Plugins -> TrackStat -> Backup/Restore/Clear -> "Backup file"

If this is the case I understand why you have problems, because this is a iTunes XML file not a backup file from TrackStat. The "Backup file" parameter need to contain the full path to a backup file for TrackStat when you hit the "Restore from file" button.

If you want to do an import from iTunes using the TrackStat statistics importer, you will instead need to setup this here:
Settings -> Plugins -> Custom Scan -> iTunes Statistics Import

jmpage2
2009-11-02, 22:36
Is this the XML file you have specified in the parameter:
Settings -> Plugins -> TrackStat -> Backup/Restore/Clear -> "Backup file"

If this is the case I understand why you have problems, because this is a iTunes XML file not a backup file from TrackStat. The "Backup file" parameter need to contain the full path to a backup file for TrackStat when you hit the "Restore from file" button.

If you want to do an import from iTunes using the TrackStat statistics importer, you will instead need to setup this here:
Settings -> Plugins -> Custom Scan -> iTunes Statistics Import

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I was just trying to feed TrackStat the raw XML data from an iTunes Library via the backup/restore functionality.. I saw some very vague information about how to import the data into Trackstat that mentioned restoring the data and it's obvious now that it won't work that way.

As long as I have your attention, maybe you could provide me with just a bit of guidance.

I have the goal of being able to keep my ratings synch'd between iTunes and Trackstat running on the Squeezebox Server.

My entire music library is stored on a Windows Home Server via SMB share. I play the music and keep it all rated and organized on an iMac running OS X 10.6.2.

Is there any way for me to share the ratings data between the Mac and Trackstat running on the Squeezebox Server or would I have to effectively move my iTunes library completely to the box that Squeeze Server runs on?

Hopefully this isn't too confusing. It has long been a source of frustration for me that I organize all of my music on my iPhone and Mac but have no easy access to this data when playing my various other devices, including my several Squeezebox devices.

erland
2009-11-02, 23:45
As long as I have your attention, maybe you could provide me with just a bit of guidance.

I have the goal of being able to keep my ratings synch'd between iTunes and Trackstat running on the Squeezebox Server.

Let's continue in the thread in the 3rd party plugins section regarding this:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=480387#post480387

hellesangel
2009-11-08, 03:25
Back to reviewing the Radio - I love it. The first experience wasn't good, it wouldn't connect to the network on the wired socket ready for it but a bit of fiddling showed the socked wasn't properly wired. I take back all the things I called Logitech and the Radio.

With a properly wired socket the installation was, and has subsequently been, easy. The display works well, if the viewing angle is a touch restricted sometimes, and the menus are pretty logical. After initial cursing the text/number entry system using the scroll wheel is quite effective.

Being rather critical for a moment the sound quality isn't Hifi at all; the bass is boomy, there's absolutely no clear detail in the high frequencies at all, just a fizzy mash of sound, but that said the total sound is warm and enjoyable, there's no background noise, and it's perfectly good if you're not expecting too much - my wife is currently dancing round the bathroom to the Jackson 5! I'm critical because the audio from the classic Squeezebox 3 is exceptional and it set the standard for other products, please keep the standard high! That said for speech the Radio is ideal, voices coming through full and clear. It produces a decent volume and doesn't distort if turned up to max.

Another good thing - the upgrade to 7.4.1 from 7.3.3 seems to have gone well too. I installed it first to test in a virtual machine as past experience has showed that all too often a server upgrade destroys something, leaving the house without music for an hour or two while I search the forums for the fix. It's nice to see an attention to test and the continuing improvements in coding quality.

It cost €170 delivered to the door from amazon.de and as such is pretty good value, we'll be ordering a second one any time now. Well done Logitech.

bucaso
2009-11-08, 06:15
A question please doe those of you using the radio as a bedside radio and alarm - is there any audible hum from the unit?

I have a unit from a different manufacturer which we can't leave powered up overnight as it hums and my wife can't sleep!! I'd like to replace it.

Best Wishes
David

ModelCitizen
2009-11-08, 06:35
Mine is completely and utterly silent.

MC

bpa
2009-11-08, 07:21
One user has reported a hiss see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70674

I think it is not normal.

erland
2009-11-08, 09:26
One user has reported a hiss see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70674

I think it is not normal.

My early access beta testing unit has the same hiss when my ear is less than 20 cm from the speaker when the device is on. I haven't noticed it earlier but I just checked and it's definitely there. It only happens when the device is on which it usually isn't during the night. When the device is turned off and just stands there with the "off" screen saver it's completely silent.

I can't hear the hiss if my ear is 20 cm from the speaker when the device is turned on. Also, mine is an early access unit so this might have been fixed to the production units.

bluegaspode
2009-11-08, 10:24
mine is dead silent

peterw
2009-11-08, 10:27
My early access beta testing unit has the same hiss when my ear is less than 20 cm from the speaker when the device is on. I haven't noticed it earlier but I just checked and it's definitely there. It only happens when the device is on

My early hardware beta running firmware 7.5.0 r7863 (and I should note Erland & I both have very early betas; the circuitry changed enough on newer units that the plastic case shape had to change!) always hisses slightly, whether "on" or "off", about as loud as Erland notes. This seems independent of the Line In gain setting. It is much, much better than the hiss on a couple Tivoli Model One radios I tried. The Model One, despite all the praise it's garnered over the years, has has a hiss that's audible from 1-2 meters, and is noticeable even when Model One is playing music!

I think this is likely to be fixed in software, at least hissing when "off" (and maybe that's why Erland & I see different behavior, maybe he's running Radio firmware that fixes the off hissing); if Radio isn't playing anything, including Line In, it should be easy for the firmware to turn off the amp. IIRC, there was a similar enhancement to the firmware for Boom after Boom was publicly released. I know of at least on Radio performance enhancement that hasn't been rolled out yet specifically because some folks like Erland & I still have the older hardware. It could well be that the best hiss fix needs newer hardware, and therefore won't be rolled out for another month or two (?), when all Radio early access testers have production level hardware.