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pablolie
2009-10-17, 16:28
...and it was a major embarrassment for the product.

My main SB3 now disappeared. It is not playing music even though it claims it is. But is is not showing up on SBS or my mySB.com. It's in limbo.

This is the worst SB showing ever. It never ever behaved this weirdly before. With a *cough* stable release.

Damn this. I am going back to 7.3.

And I am stating, as a SB customer since 2005, that I am not buying more squeeze products. My purchase plans are on total hold.

This was utterly embarrassing.

pablolie
2009-10-17, 16:40
For the record, this was my only time ever being so pissed off I knocked the SB3 to the wall with no regard as to whether it would ever work again. When it started playing again after I just powered it down I was disgusted with the fact that until that point of time it had claimed to be active and playing, and wasting my time troubleshooting every aspect of my main audio system making me fear something had blown a fuse. I really thought my $25k chain was broken when in fact this was uhm "just a case of 7.4 random behavior".

pablolie
2009-10-17, 16:47
And in case anyone thinks I am an irrational hater, I keep track of the fact that exactly 49 households I know got SB products based on my endorsement. And they may in turn have converted other people. So I am NOT the enemy. I just resent the fact for the first time EVER I was made to look like a total ass trying to entertain out of my main audio system, the "worship center".

pski
2009-10-17, 18:13
I had to power off the SB3 and power it back up.

Utterly and totally unacceptable.

I have spent a lot of money of SB products, and I am now going to plan a migration strategy to another product.

This is totally *^%$$! ridiculous. This is NOT the way to my audio future, to have my main audio worship center disappear randomly until I reboot the system by powering it off and then up, while all the while it is claiming to be playing music.

Thank you for your posting so many messages to yourself..

Over and out. Perhaps you will acquire a measure of technical ability.

P

pablolie
2009-10-17, 21:46
Thank you for your posting so many messages to yourself..

Over and out. Perhaps you will acquire a measure of technical ability.

P

You are a fool. I have been a customer for years and have configured more boxes than you ever have on both Windows and Linux.

I can live with the fact uncritical SB groupies don't like my outburst. The simple fact is that it had never ever happened to me I could not play music on an SB3 while it was displaying it did.

It was only when I ran up upstairs to check the server that I saw the SB3 had disappeared from SBS and mySB.com. Very odd to see a SB claim it is playing music in front of your face...

Something is very broken in the guts of 7.4 for this to happen.

pfarrell
2009-10-17, 21:53
pablolie wrote:
> Something is very broken in the guts of 7.4 for this to happen.

I had a lot of problems with my Debian server during the upgrade from
7.3 to 7.4, but since I am a beta tester, I could deal with it. But even
with that, I was a bit surprised at the transfer. I expect that for more
mainstream server OS, i.e. Winders, it was a lot cleaner.

I entered bugzilla entries, and most of it got fixed. I'm working fine
now with all my SqueezeBoxen.

The Radio requires 7.4, but if you don't have one, I would recommend
waiting a bit for things to settle down.

Until then, I understand.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

Mark Miksis
2009-10-17, 22:11
Please maintain a proper amount of respect and decorum. If you are having problems and want to ask other users for help, that's what the forums are here for. Even if you just want to vent about something that doesn't seem to be working for you, that's fine.

Personal attacks however will lead to closed threads and banned users. Thanks for your understanding and respect.

audiomuze
2009-10-17, 22:19
The Radio requires 7.4, but if you don't have one, I would recommend waiting a bit for things to settle down.As a long time SB3 user I've learned the hard way to stay away from upgrades until they've had a good few months in the field. When it comes to enjoying your music there is no point in being an early adopter because it too often ends in the kind of frustration expressed in this thread. Even then, I test any upgrade using a separate instance of SBS before deploying it to my main music server. It shouldn't be this way with official releases, but unfortunately it is. Pablo, you have my sympathy too.

pablolie
2009-10-17, 22:46
I am sorry I had to vent. I had to. What I experienced was shockingly frustrating. In many years, and with all the devices I have, I had never ever seen an SB3 claim it was playing music when in fact the SBS didn't even know it was present or active. Anyone's troubleshooting activity is going to be around the amplifier and DA if the SB3 claims it is playing music, at least for a while until finally it slowly dawns on one there is something very odd happening, and that the SB3 maybe is acting in a way it hadn't in nearly 4 years of ownership. And it is especially unfortunate given the fact that the SB3 is my most trusted playing device, and the one I expected to be the most stable. 7.4.0 has changed that.

These forums are for people to both praise (which I have done a lot in the past) and to vent (which I have done today).

There is no right or wrong way of using them, and no one can tell others what to write or not write.

But I do not like the fact that now I feel I can not rely on the SB3s to reliably play music the way it always have. It shocks me because it is no the SB universe I have always known. The SB3s have always been stable (as have been the Booms), occasional hickups excepted, but never claiming they play music when they are not even registered with the SBS.

And for someone to react telling me it was lack of technical proficiency on my part was unconditional SB groupiness and Logitech brown-nosing at its worst.

I am not happy that I have to complain and vent. But I think the development team needs to hear, loud and clear, that a long time supporter of the product line is, for the first time, ready to look for an alternative after the 7.4 experience and the fact that the SB3 has been treated poorly; because the one thing I can not accept is that my enjoyment of listening to music is ruined. The fancy pics and user interfaces and colors and what not... sure, it is nice. But never ever *ever* compromise the products' ability to play music. I have never bought HP products again after I was sourly disappointed by the way they started to discontinue driver support for 2 year old premium priced products, and if Logitech is going to stop supporting older products they should at least give customers the heads up and tell us to not upgrade unless we upgrade allmthe devices we own. In which case I will take a wider look at the market again. It is only fair.

And with this message I have ranted sufficiently. I have picked up the SB3 from the floor and am happy it didn't break.

And now I will observe,and next time know that I can not trust the SB3's display when it claims to be playing music. Sadly.

Rant over.

snarlydwarf
2009-10-17, 23:04
I am sorry I had to vent. I had to. What I experienced was shockingly frustrating. In many years, and with all the devices I have, I had never ever seen an SB3 claim it was playing music when in fact the SBS didn't even know it was present or active.

Actually, I have seen that behavior many times going back to 6.3.

Reseting the box and/or Xilinx has fixed it.

It's hardly new to 7.4, but I've never been able to make it fail in a reproducable way.

There are numerous threads here about such failures, dating back years.. I don't think anyone else has been able to reproduce it on demand.

Being effectively a random occurence makes it a very hard bug to fix which is why it has been around for years.

pablolie
2009-10-17, 23:10
Actually, I have seen that behavior many times going back to 6.3.
...
Being effectively a random occurence makes it a very hard bug to fix which is why it has been around for years.

I had never observed it. But if that is the case, once the dust settles (and my friend stop haggling me about it when I was trying to play a new jazz album I got, him being one of the "only CDs are worthy" crowd) I will stop associating the failure with the advent of 7.4. So perhaps it is a coincidence, and a behavior I shall not see again in years.

I should note I performed a Xilinx and factory reset for the SB3s when I installed the "stable" 7.4 release...

My SB world got shaken badly today, that's all.

Mnyb
2009-10-18, 00:30
Xilink reset had to be done sometimes, i think sometimes something goes wrong with the fw update and you have to reset and sometimes it's a random occurrence.

Stay tuned to to experience the even rarer "distorted sound on full volume bug" .

Murphys law clearly predicts failure in such situations when you try to show of your stuff for friends ;)

Btw use 7.4.1 and do clean install if possible saves your fragile nerves if more rants are expected.

The x.x.0 release is always a little buggy just pick up the x.x.1 two weeks later and all is fine . There must be some kind of law regarding sw releases the beta and the .1 bug fixed works nicely the release version don't ?

Amazingly sbs 7.4 did not fail me on my 40th birthday party with 10 guest at home :) This is normally when the server melts or something.

JJZolx
2009-10-18, 00:51
Actually, I have seen that behavior many times going back to 6.3.

Same here. Many, many times. Has nothing to do with 7.4. Maybe a glitch during the firmware update process on that player, which happens.

I've always said that it seems more than a little odd the server thinks that it's streaming and that music is playing, while the player obviously knows that it isn't. Don't they communicate?? Usually you see the track progress indicator moving in the web interface, but nothing on the player.

If this happened on only one of six players, it should be fairly apparent that it's a player issue and that troubleshooting at the player level is called for. First you cycle the player's power. If that doesn't work you do a factory reset.

JJZolx
2009-10-18, 00:54
I should note I performed a Xilinx and factory reset for the SB3s when I installed the "stable" 7.4 release...

You mean you just did this as a matter of course, before you began to have problems? Why???


My SB world got shaken badly today, that's all.

I honestly don't know what I'd do if my SB world got shaken. Maybe counseling is available.

MrSinatra
2009-10-18, 03:26
I honestly don't know what I'd do if my SB world got shaken. Maybe counseling is available.

haha! that must be the secret next mysb.com logitech service, "squeezetherapy"

squeezerehab? deprogram your squeezaddiction.

when new software is released that fails for you: lower your squeezepectations.

ok, i'll stop. ;)

sebp
2009-10-18, 05:01
Same here. Many, many times. Has nothing to do with 7.4. Maybe a glitch during the firmware update process on that player, which happens.
I've also seen that several times at home since 6.5.
Yes, it's both surprising and frustrating, but a power reset generally cures the problem, although I once had to do a Xilinx reset on my SB3 to get it back actually playing something through its outputs.

As far as I can remember, no 7.x.0 release ever went smoothly for everybody.
There are just far too many different use cases for beta testers and QA to detect all the bugs lying around...

peechus
2009-10-18, 06:54
just logged in to see if others are 7.4 overwhelmed with futility. i've called customer support so many times it's no longer the bums rush... they just hang up on me when they discover it's peechus again. the last time , i waited 10 minutes for a green techie then 4 or 5 'scuze me while i [fill in the blanks] then was told tier two or something like that would be in touch. not! i am planning to upgrade to the transporter . should i wait till this 7.4 is settled ? is this a sb3 issue and my transporter purchase is safe? thanks, peechus.

Pascal Hibon
2009-10-18, 11:35
I have waited until yesterday to upgrade from 7.3.3 to 7.4.1 nightly build. I must say that I知 very pleased with the result. It is obvious that Logitech did a lot of work on this release. For sure there were quite a lot of bugs, but that was to be expected from such a major change. There is one bug I discovered but I can live with it until the developers fix it.

One thing that one could say is that Logitech maybe better postponed the official 7.4.0 release a few weeks. But it is what it is now, and maybe the early release has put more pressure on the bug fixing process. I believe there is something positive in everything.

Anyway, I知 liking 7.4.1 a lot.

Mnyb
2009-10-18, 12:10
I have waited until yesterday to upgrade from 7.3.3 to 7.4.1 nightly build. I must say that I知 very pleased with the result. It is obvious that Logitech did a lot of work on this release. For sure there were quite a lot of bugs, but that was to be expected from such a major change. There is one bug I discovered but I can live with it until the developers fix it.

One thing that one could say is that Logitech maybe better postponed the official 7.4.0 release a few weeks. But it is what it is now, and maybe the early release has put more pressure on the bug fixing process. I believe there is something positive in everything.

Anyway, I知 liking 7.4.1 a lot.

A larger group of beta testers are needed, sometimes i wonder if I'm completely alone with my choice of OS and hardware (clarkconnect 4.2 on mini itx via-epia ).
It is naturally so that bug's slips by when all user cases are not covered by logitech and/or beta testers.
The full exposure to the whole userbase will flush out more bugs.

slimdevices used to have bug finding events with prices if i remember correctly.

One idea could be : run a beta version find and report 5 new bugs get a coffe cup/T-shirt or other trinket, the user reporting most bugs in a beta software during a specified period gets a Touch ?

gfuchs
2009-10-18, 12:23
If they want more beta testers, I would be happy to buy a Touch if they would let me.
Greg
(waving a credit card in the air)

ModelCitizen
2009-10-18, 12:33
I believe there is something positive in everything. Anyway, I知 liking 7.4.1 a lot.
I'm very much looking forward to the positive effects of a third world war.

MC

Mnyb
2009-10-18, 12:40
I'm very much looking forward to the positive effects of a third world war.

MC

No more humans , reboot of evolution new cool animals to emerge in a couple of million years :)

AndreE
2009-10-18, 14:24
I was reading all these posts with a smile... and grief

first three emotional posts were exactly what I have experienced in my case.

most probably I am one of those who recently stepped into the game, purchased quite a number of devices, just could configure them... and got 7.4.0 installed
I still have no active local server and as a result was promoted to new release "voluntarily" ;-)

my frustration was ... let's say also high.
now it is better - i know - I am not alone on this path... and ... it does not help so...

some of mentioned issues appear in my case on regular base and some are really easy to reproduce.
it is "reduced" menu and missing "go back to Squeeze net" menu entry and many others...
as well as the counter on the remote showing the progress when all receivers have greenish light
and not only...

but how I can bring this back to Logitech?
how to make it available to Developers... and are they interesting to get my experience?

being in software business for many-many years I've seen some acquisitions, where great products, designed for one purpose, were targeted to another market segment...
and you know, it was not always easy and great idea, or even successful move. Many were, but not all.

I truly believe and really hope that Duet would recover from this downturn.
I truly wish it happening because I am one of those few (most likely many) customers who suffers from this and who NEED this happening

the competition - is a big driver
market is very dynamic - no question
but users' trust - it is a great value, and it is better to wait a bit longer, but bring mature product to the market where no "visible" or harmful issues are.
there is no any product without bugs - it is normal, but there are different bugs
some are - "postpone Release to customer Date" type !

and... my plans to expand my set-up are also on freeze and... I've stopped advising this product... because, you know...
it is very embarrassing to see someone who has troubles with your advice and... you cannot help and ...
this person had a great trust to your words, which are turned into the dust at one day by some you have no influence to...
trust and loyalty are the great value

PS
typing on Logitech keyboard and using Logitech mouse, but not using Logitech speakers and... thinking about Duet

Pascal Hibon
2009-10-18, 21:06
I guess that most of us know that this was initially a product line made by a company called Slimdevices. The idea behind the product was to provide great hardware and software that provides excellent audio quality in the emerging digital audio age. And they did that in a 田ommunity kinda world. Since its beginning, the software platform has been open source and DYI弾rs were stimulated in building custom server designs, tweaking the software, and even tweaking the hardware. The whole system was intended for people who wanted an excellent audio system where they could have their fair part of hands-on.
Now that this company has been bought by Logitech, I think it is struggling a bit with the Slimdevices philosophy. Logitech is not used to bringing products to the market that are partially built by their customers. For example, I知 pretty sure that in the Slimdevices age, it was way easier to postpone a software and or hardware release. In the Logitech world, where there are CEO痴, VP痴, Sales Directors, etc , postponing a release is not what they want to hear. Both philosophies (Slimdevices Logitech) are not compatible. Logitech will need to find its way to cope with this fact or they will start loosing customers.
Myself, I bought my first SB3 after evaluation this system against Sonos. Slimdevices came out as a big winner for me, partially due to Slimdevices philosophy. I don稚 mind to be an 妬nvoluntary beta tester from time to time. It is part of the Slimdevices experience. And I know I can always go back to a previous and stable system. I understand this is not the case for everyone and this is where Logitech needs to work on.

AndreE
2009-10-19, 00:03
Pascal Hibon? you've brought valid point.
It was the same for me. I've evaluated Squeeze Philosophy against Sonos and some others, coming to the market.

It is exactly the Philosophy and the ideas and community behind were main selling points for me as well,
but now
it raises concern about the way how rapidly software market and its good products are sliding to "ship and forget" way of dealing with customers.

Logitech is a great company - they know how to make good products and how to deliver them to the market. It just looks like the target group for Duet and some other new in the family is a bit different to what Logitech used to have - this may be an issue and may require a learning curve.

I really hope that Product management is reading this forum, at least time-to tome.

and it is correct: Christmas is coming - it should be perfect by that time, otherwise it may be a big problem afterwards. Net-Radio and music definitely take off - and Logitech wants to be at the market maker area.

bradcook
2009-10-19, 07:22
Strange - this is exactly teh same sort of behaviour I was having.

I installed 7.4.0 and started having problems with the SBR in the kitchen (the SB2 in the lounge is always rock solid).

Blue light disconnecting... coming back white ... no sound - even though the controller was showing the track as playing ... even worse was that the SBR started playing all by itself at 7.30 one morning.

So - frustrated went back to 7.3.4.

All was OK for a a few days until yesterday when exactly the same behaviour started happening again. No music even after much muttering, cursing, pressing play, pressing next, pressing previous etc etc etc.

Out of desperation I unplugged the SBR from the power, waited 30 seconds, plugged it back in - and Bingo - Music is back in our life.

So i guess my forced power removal reset the XILIX ?

Phil Leigh
2009-10-19, 07:33
Strange - this is exactly teh same sort of behaviour I was having.

I installed 7.4.0 and started having problems with the SBR in the kitchen (the SB2 in the lounge is always rock solid).

Blue light disconnecting... coming back white ... no sound - even though the controller was showing the track as playing ... even worse was that the SBR started playing all by itself at 7.30 one morning.

So - frustrated went back to 7.3.4.

All was OK for a a few days until yesterday when exactly the same behaviour started happening again. No music even after much muttering, cursing, pressing play, pressing next, pressing previous etc etc etc.

Out of desperation I unplugged the SBR from the power, waited 30 seconds, plugged it back in - and Bingo - Music is back in our life.

So i guess my forced power removal reset the XILIX ?

No - a power shutoff won't reset the xilinx (it MIGHT corrupt it though...)

TiredLegs
2009-10-19, 09:27
So i guess my forced power removal reset the XILIX ?See here for how to reset Xilinx: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_Reset_commands#Reset_Audio_Hardware_.28ak a_Xilinx_Reset.29

erland
2009-10-19, 10:01
A larger group of beta testers are needed, sometimes i wonder if I'm completely alone with my choice of OS and hardware (clarkconnect 4.2 on mini itx via-epia ).
It is naturally so that bug's slips by when all user cases are not covered by logitech and/or beta testers.
The full exposure to the whole userbase will flush out more bugs.

As far as I know Squeezebox Server 7.4 beta has been available for installation for everyone since 7.3.0 was released, Logitech constantly also recommend people with problems to install the latest beta version. The problem is that everyone doesn't want to participate in beta testing, some just like to have a stable system and listen to their music.

AndreE
2009-10-19, 11:24
The problem is that everyone doesn't want to participate in beta testing, some just like to have a stable system and listen to their music.

Hi erland,

is is a valid point. I would be glad to, but only when I have time
Most of the time my family is using devices, sorry would like to use it? but has an issue. If I do not reboot each receiver and controller in the morning - there is no music at my house.
If I would get pair of extra devices with some significant discount as a Beta program package - why not, I will be filling all bug reports and perform even predefined tests - would be glad to do, but paying some hundreds I would expect it would be working.

and this would be fine when it is a community type of the development, but Logitech is a biiiiiiiig company with very well established processes and known and proved quality records!!!

Would you mind to have a keyboard, which may give you different keystrokes depending on the firmware?
I do not think so ;-)
When you buy a mass product - it should work
If you target big audience - it is a clear indication from the amount of partnership programs lunched recently - this should be out of the box working solution with no ongoing hassles.

I would not be so mush surprised if Duet and some other troubling products would be removed from the market, sorry, replaced by more advanced ones and all "investment" we致e made into our audio-live will buried in the dust. Looking on the differences in the architecture and solutions - it looks like it may happen - too many and too radical changes are happening.

And - many people were reporting problems.
Who of us was followed by the development with the request and clarified the set-up, parameters and other staff?
No one, may be few.
This was in good old time, when it was a community product.

Unless they have a direct access to each device - I would be glad it is a case and all problems are resolved after some time without any touch to the remote. This would be a great thing!
Let痴 hope that Logitech is really working hard on resolving what needs to be resolved and will not dump Duet and will surprise us with the solution we like and are proud again.

And you know, we will bring more and continues money flow to Logitech account purchasing different services and enjoying the music at out fingers!

Roger66
2009-10-19, 13:53
... but Logitech is a biiiiiiiig company with very well established processes and known and proved quality records!!!

Really ?

What about the mouseware 2007/2008, where logitech wasn't able for month (!) to deliver a release not producing an error message EACH time when the pc was shut down ?

(Former) Slimdevices staff is at least listening to their customers, as you can see here in this forum ! And they try their very best to fix the (o.k.: still much too high) amount of bugs.

IMHO big mama logitech is forcing SD people to release their software to early, and the employees have to pay for here, in reading f.e. pablos (still understandable) lines of hate and many other posts like this.

Not too nice, for both customers AND SD people ...

Roger

gharris999
2009-10-19, 14:27
I'm finding a very interesting correlation here. The odds that 7.4.x will be capable of playing any given track in my collection (ALL of which were playable under 7.3.x) seem to be inversely proportional to Logitech's PE ratio.

pablolie
2009-10-19, 14:49
The problem with 7.4.0, it seems, is that it is still a beta release but delivered as a semi-mandatory "stable" upgrade. And that was a mistake. If it had been optional, and there had been a warning, I would have no right to overly complain.

Since it was forced upon me given the fact I have historically used mySB.com, heck, I can be bitter. And when the solution is "hey, go to 7.4.1", which incidentally is a *true* nightly beta, you know that there is a weird release situation going on.

Since I initiated the topic, I also need to say I have calmed down. I understand the pressure the developers are on and all, and I want them to know I carry no personal grudge against them whatsoever. Of course not. But also, as a customer since 2005, I have never knocked a device against a wall in frustration. The SB3 now has a little dent and a few scratches as a result of a silly momentary overreaction that only affects me in the end.

But I think caution is advisable as 8.0 and the Touch and more aggressive schedules loom to get ready for Xmas... I have no idea how they are going to deal with it, but I will be increasingly bitter if my music experience gets affected over time. I will observe my 7.4.0 experience over the next few weeks, step back if necessary, and possibly entirely discontinue mySB.com use to stay stable. Which also means not being able to use new products.

maggior
2009-10-19, 19:39
I'm glad to see that you've calmed down. I was extermemly frustrated when I purchased the Duet a little over a year ago. I really felt let down, escpecially since I went out of my way to sing the product's praises!

I got over it and didn't let it kill my enthusiasm for the product. I'm just more cautious now with SW releases that I'll install. I will also not jump onto any new hardware products - especially since I don't need any at this point.

Given your situation, pehaps you should evaluate your need for using mySB. Given what I've read here, I have no plans to move to 7.4 - I don't have the time and I'd much rather spend my time enjoying my many recent music purchases :-). I was concerned though that I'd lose the use of Slacker, which my kids listen to a lot. I can still access it even though I'm running 7.3.3 - I just access it via "services" rather than by switching my player to mySB (or whatever it's called now).

Is there any way you can get by with 7.3.3?

radish
2009-10-19, 19:56
If they want more beta testers, I would be happy to buy a Touch if they would let me.
Greg
(waving a credit card in the air)

This is about SC/SBS releases, anyone can beta test those for free :)

pablolie
2009-10-19, 20:00
Let me be clear: I would not have bought all the products you see in my sig line unless I loved the concept and potential and on 99.99% of the time execution on the product. I remain a big fan of the concept. I have always irrationally loved playing music of my historically very reliable SB3s (I did some nightly beta stuff in 6.x, but have not since, sorry, I have a stressful day job and have interests on the side).

My meltdown is something that happens when you get in the way of my self-rewarding ego and its ability to get a music fix. Sorry. But not really. It *is* an emotional area for some of us, which is why we came to pick quality products early on.

So I am worried, especially looking at the looming release of 8.0 and the fact I wanted to upgrade my main player (the one that has the scratches now) to a Touch...

peterw
2009-10-19, 21:02
upgrade my main player (the one that has the scratches now)

IIRC, Mike Valera (web monkey for Logi/Slim Devices before the global economic downturn trimmed the Logitech SMBU payroll) recommended Meguiar's plastic polish products for touching up such stuff.

pfarrell
2009-10-19, 21:08
>> upgrade my main player (the one that has the scratches now)
>
> IIRC, Mike Valera (web monkey for Logi/Slim Devices before the global
> economic downturn trimmed the Logitech SMBU payroll) recommended
> Meguiar's plastic polish products for touching up such stuff.

I used that stuff for years. I used to roadrace motorcycles, they have
very thin plastic "bubble" winshields that scratch if you look at them.
Meguiar's does wonders, but if you have serious scratches, you need to
first use the polish and then the cleaner.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com/

pablolie
2009-10-19, 23:01
Thanks for the pointer.

As a sports motorcycle rider myself I actually have the stuff around, so that is convenient.

I will decide what to do. I also have enough SB3s around the house to reshuffle them if I feel like it for cosmetic reasons.

AndreE
2009-10-20, 00:04
Today morning I woke up and wanted listening music... just something calm
And... all my receivers were in this funky greenish light.
I致e re-set one receiver and controller together, but... stopped doing for others.
It was a sadness and frustration in my heart.
You know how long it takes to get it restarted and connected
And first what I had: was a announcement about one of the stations, than this fancy song time counter on the controller and no song coming out of my speakers, but just a silence.
I had to switch between stations twice before it started playing music... and it was a time to leave.
This was very frustrating... this greenish eyes silently watching on you...

TiredLegs
2009-10-20, 05:58
IIRC, Mike Valera (web monkey for Logi/Slim Devices before the global economic downturn trimmed the Logitech SMBU payroll) recommended Meguiar's plastic polish products for touching up such stuff.
As an aside, Meguiar's plastic polish is also excellent for buffing up lightly scratched CDs.

get.amped
2009-10-20, 08:44
Frankly, I'm cautious about *all* software upgrades at this stage in the game. I've got over 25 years of hands-on, professional IT experience and I tend to push my own gear way beyond the limit of reasonable duty cycle and resource utilization. And one reason that it continues to work for me is that I'm very particular about what software and which version gets loaded on each platform. I review every patch that's released from each vendor and do a risk assessment based on the advantages that the patch provides against the potential havoc that it may cause. For major releases (OS service packs, etc.) I generally wait several months before upgrading and even then I'll migrate essential functionality to another machine before applying it.

With the Squeezebox software I stayed with 6.5 until 7.3.2 provided sufficient stability to make it the new plateau. I was force to regress to 6.5 several times before then. And, given that it takes almost an entire day to do an upgrade followed by a retrograde (9 hours per full scan), it is not something that I am going to take on lightly. Fortunately, I am in a position to wait since I really don't use the resource formerly called SqueezeNetwork. But I truly feel for those customers who were forced to upgrade either by the requirements of the device or their reliance on the on-line services.

Maybe by the time 7.5.1 is released it will be worth considering...

gharris999
2009-10-20, 12:11
...the resource formerly called SqueezeNetwork...Maybe by the 8.0 release they'll have changed the SN name to an unpronounceable glyph. The time will be just about right for the release of a '♂' app too.

maggior
2009-10-20, 12:49
Maybe by the 8.0 release they'll have changed the SN name to an unpronounceable glyph. The time will be just about right for the release of a '♂' app too.

...and it will be commonly referred to as the "software formerly known as SqueezeCenter".

qirex
2009-10-20, 13:13
honestly I think the biggest problem is that Logitech sent out an email announcing it the instant it was available. Having dealt with .0 releases before I assumed they'd done something different as far as testing and upgraded right away. Fortunately factory resetting my SBC fixed most of my problems but it took me a while to figure that out.

Basically they should have a) waited a while to see if there were any game-breakers before sending a marketing email to everybody and b) informed existing users about the upcoming major changes better. From the email I was just expecting they'd renamed Squeezenetwork and shoehorned some "apps" in somewhere for buzzword compliance.

mlsstl
2009-10-21, 15:55
get.amped wrote:

...9 hours per full scan
That's quite a figure! You must have a very substantial music library. I've got something over 43,000 songs and a full scan on a relatively run-of-the-mill PC (with Linux OS) takes about 50 minutes.

Nonreality
2009-10-21, 23:03
get.amped wrote:

That's quite a figure! You must have a very substantial music library. I've got something over 43,000 songs and a full scan on a relatively run-of-the-mill PC (with Linux OS) takes about 50 minutes.

Mines been great also. I've got about 30k in tracks and less than an hour now. The new and update scan was about 10 minutes. I'm fine with that.

HectorHughMunro
2009-10-22, 12:29
The 7.4.1 experience and current handset software for me has been really good. Faster, more stable, better BBC support, better organized.

Really excellent and a world away from my initial Duet experiences.

Bytec
2009-10-23, 00:05
I must say that my Duet just got better with SS v7.4!